[00:00] jmichaelx: if you mean a pop up that comes up when a windows computer is turned on I don't think that's kmail unless you have a good reasoning behind why kmail would be doing that. it's much more likely to be solid [00:00] reisio: ctrl+D ? [00:00] oh wait [00:00] sorry [00:00] don't do that hold on :) [00:00] Daskreech: i did not understand a word of what you just said to me [00:01] BBL, stuff to do [00:01] reisio: wait ctrl+shift+T opens a new tab for me. Was I reading what you said wrong? [00:01] bye BluesKaj [00:01] Daskreech: what does a windows computer have to do with the kmail popup warnings that most kubuntu 11.10 users see once they log in? [00:02] lost my connection, who just said something to me? =) === reisio_ is now known as reisio [00:02] jmichaelx: Ok I'm going crosseyed weren't you asking about a pop up that comes up anytime a windows computer comes on the network? [00:02] reisio: wait ctrl+shift+T opens a new tab for me. Was I reading what you said wrong? [00:02] Or was that a different chan? [00:03] Daskreech: i think so far nearly every time you've responded to me, you have been answering some question i never asked :-) [00:03] Sorry both of you were asking about notifications everytime you logged in I got muddled. Sorry Kmail what is it saying to you? [00:04] Daskreech: it is this same popup that everyone sees in 11.10.... i do not remember what it says [00:04] jmichaelx: is this a plasma popup or a dialog box? [00:04] i should remember, since i have now seen it hundreds of times [00:04] Daskreech: lol nevermind [00:05] I mean I've had akonadi errors etc. Is it an informative message or an error message? [00:05] If i can guess the source it'll be easier to tell it to stop [00:06] Daskreech: no idea how it would be classified... but you should know what i am talking about, since everyone sees it in 11.10, unless they have disabled it [00:07] it's not a big deal, just an annoyance [00:07] Ok well when I see it I'll let you know :) [00:07] jmichaelx: What ever it is you are referring to, I don't see it when I log in. [00:07] Daskreech: you have seen it [00:08] Daskreech: know how to close a split view in konsole? [00:08] Snowhog: i should not have said everyone, but it is a well-known issue in 11.10. [00:08] reisio: ctrl+D [00:08] i just don't know the solution... and do not have kmail installed [00:08] jmichaelx: ! That's worrying [00:08] Daskreech: akonadi mail-dispatch agent looking for what isn't present?? [00:09] Snowhog: perhaps.... although i get the message whether kmail is installed or not [00:09] well if he doesn't have kmail I'm not sure why he would have an akonadi mail agent [00:10] ok, nevermind.... i have seen this come up in this room many times now, but never took note of what anyone did to stop the popup. i'll figure it out [00:12] as of now, KMail 2 is a total failure, imho [00:12] would have been more helpful if i had noted what the popup says lol. i could reboot right now in order to see it again, but don't feel like it [00:13] jmichaelx: you mean that message bus or something error on KDE startup? [00:13] szal: yea, i think that's the one [00:13] "Failed to catch message collection" or something [00:14] no, i believe it does mention the mail dispatch agent. i removed kmail hoping that would stop the popup, but that made no difference [00:14] * szal ignores it already, doesn't seem to have consequences (unless perhaps you actually use KMail 2) [00:14] jmichaelx: yes, that's it [00:15] szal: yea, i could just ignore it, too... but over time it annoys me more and more [00:15] that's combined with a large number of other small annoyances with 11.10... they are adding up [00:16] jmichaelx: indeed [00:16] which is why I'm looking elsewhere, though I still need to find the time to switch [00:18] szal: same here... not sure what to switch to. i have one machine running gentoo, which has given me no problems at all (gentoo is still using KDE 4.6.5), but the though of installing gentoo on everything else i have gives me less than enthusiastic feelings [00:18] thought* [00:18] * szal knows where to go [00:19] back to openSUSE ^^ [00:19] I keep going back there because other distros just don't convince me over longer periods of time [00:20] best KDE implementation ever [00:20] and stability-wise it never gave me causes for headaches [00:20] i have never really used opensuse, but should maybe give it a try some time... the nice thing about the ubuntu world, has been that with the large number of users, it is often easier to figure out how to do certain things/install certain software than in some other distros [00:21] jmichaelx: indeed, that and the sheer number of available software packages is a great plus [00:21] yea [00:22] what version of kde is opensuse stable using? [00:23] 12.1 ships w/ 4.7.2 [00:23] newer versions are available [00:24] does it not have the task manager ghost issue? [00:24] (currently 4.7.3, that is) [00:24] what's that? [00:24] ugh.... icons remaining in the taskmanager after windows are closed [00:25] haven't seen that yet on Kubuntu [00:25] szal: Total failure is pretty harsh considering [00:25] and I haven't installed oS 12.1 yet, so I wouldn't know what's the issue there [00:25] jmichaelx: couldn't you jsut log off and log back on? [00:25] szal: i have four machines between home and work running 11.10, and they all have that problem. my main PC has it the worst, with a ghost remain in the taskmanager for almost every window i close [00:26] Daskreech: it's a similar not-ready-for-prime-time state as KDE 4.0 was [00:26] jmichaelx: just closed VLC, icon immediately disappeared [00:26] i agree with szal... not as bad as 4.0, but bad enough that the whole KDE project is looking negligent and incapable [00:27] the whole mothly SC release idea is not working out for KDE [00:28] the monthly release schedule isn't a problem imho [00:28] and in this case, i think the problem is more KDE than kubuntu [00:28] guess I've been lucky with it so far. Migrating my stuff was a nightmare in 4.3 but I've been ok since [00:29] i think it is a big problem... some major bugs just live on and on... bugs that should be fixed before another SC version is released, regardless what the calendar says [00:29] Daskreech: I switched over w/ 4.2.0.. migrating KMail was painless back then [00:29] Daskreech: i wish i were not plagued with the various taskmanager bugs [00:30] Daskreech & szal: are both of you using ATI graphics, by any chance? [00:30] jmichaelx: yeah tha's really annoying but pretty much gone for me with the latest update [00:30] szal: what are the issues you are having [00:30] Yes I am [00:30] jmichaelx: I suppose you know that systray pop-ups aren't exactly pretty; openSUSE has that too, at least 11.4 w/ KDE 4.7, so I reckon that's a KDE problem [00:30] jmichaelx: I have Nvidia [00:31] Daskreech: 4.7.3 made that problem MUCH worse on this machine, and caused the problem to appear on another that until 4.7.3 had been immune [00:31] i pretty much hate all popup notifications [00:32] *coughs* Kill systray [00:32] that bug is now the 4th most hated KDE bug [00:32] i want the systray.... i just do not want the popups [00:32] jmichaelx: 4.8 is out in 4 days [00:32] Daskreech: this problem is still very much alive in 4.7.8 [00:33] oops [00:33] Daskreech: this problem is still very much alive in 4.8 [00:34] Daskreech: for a while KDE devs were claiming this was a problem with X, but that is seeming less likely as time goes on [00:34] it seems somewhere communication between KDE and Qt is breaking down === gary_ is now known as Guest25524 [00:35] (not that there are not inummerable issues with X) [00:35] this is what i mean, a bug like this should prevent the release of 4.8 [00:36] but they will release it anyways === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [00:53] guys, does anyone else have problems with items open on your panel not responding to mouse clicks? [00:54] BarkingFish: MANY people [00:55] right. Is there a bug or bugs filed on it? [00:55] yes, there are bug reports [00:56] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 [00:56] where would they be likely to be? on launchpad or kde's bug tracker? [00:56] ah, nvm [00:56] thanks [00:56] KDE bug 275469 in widget-taskbar "4 7 Regression: closed windows stay in the taskbar sometimes, taskbar doesn't react on clicks" [Normal,New] [00:57] BarkingFish: it's a kde 4.7.1 regression should be sorted for most people in 4.7.3 and hopefully osrted out fully in 4.7.4 [00:57] BarkingFish: if you had been here just a few minutes ago, i had been carrying on about this and related bugs [00:57] * jmichaelx is not sure about the sorted out for most people in 4.7.3 part [00:58] Daskreech: i have that issues on 4 different machines in 4.7.3.... and 4.7.3 made the problem worse [00:58] and there are reports of the problem not being much milder in 4.8 [00:59] who is running 4.8 ? [00:59] Daskreech: yeah, they fixed it in 4.7.3, unfortunately breaking plasma-desktop in the process [00:59] in 4.7.3, plasma-desktop crashes more times than a blind cyclist [01:00] Daskreech: not me, but this is what i have read [01:00] jmichaelx: where ? [01:01] BarkingFish: 4.7.2 was quite a bit worse for me [01:01] plasma-desktop crashes are annoying, but so far didn't harm anything for me [01:01] 4.7.2 is good here, only the mouse not working in taskbar occasionally [01:02] Daskreech: i would have to look again for where i read that, but if/when i do, i will give you a link... until then you are welcome to regard what i said as hearsay [01:06] Just that at this point I think almost all the people who would be running 4.8 would also be in a position to sort it out before 4.8 hits either next week or next year [01:07] were not many of the same people in the position to sort this out in 4.7? [01:10] Daskreech: i think i may have confused kde 4.8 and Qt 4.8 in what i was reading [01:11] jmichaelx: ah reasonable [01:12] BarkingFish: To be honest I hardly ever use the mouse so I don't know. ^F9 is so much more useful [01:12] so maybe there is hope that the taskmanager will be inbetter shape in kde 4.8 :) [01:13] jmichaelx: As long as the make sure it works fully before they send it out, i don't care === username is now known as linxuser [01:20] BarkingFish: :-) partially depends upon you [01:24] Daskreech: well I'll make sure I'm live during the next packaging cycle, and i'll test everything that comes through :) [01:24] BarkingFish: ^F10 works nicely as well :) [01:24] I hate upgrades because you never know quite how they'll work until people are using them. [01:25] We should really have a beta channel, as well as this one, specifically limited to people beta testing upcoming releases [01:25] that way we can fix the bugs before the whole thing goes live to the world [01:32] A week or two back I tried to get help here for my Audigy2 soundcard. Pulse was not wanting to use it. I have found a work around. Where is the best place to post this workaround so others with this problem cand find it? [01:34] The worst part is that I and two helpers here worked for many hours with no solution. Yet the solution I found involves uncommenting two lines in a config file. 30 seconds of work. [01:37] I left a comment outlining my fix at my bug report for this issue. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/886448 Is that the best place for it? [01:37] Launchpad bug 886448 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum has no output from rear outputs. " [Undecided,New] [01:38] BarkingFish: you mean the +1 channel ? [01:38] Num83rGuy_: That might work. You can also edit the wiki [01:38] !audigy [01:39] Hmm there should be an audigy page on the wiki as I recall [01:39] Wiki? you have a link? [01:39] Daskreech: i didn't even know we had a +1 channel [01:41] Num83rGuy_: wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com [01:41] !+1 [01:41] Hmm [01:41] !precise [01:41] Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 [01:41] >_> [01:42] It's #ubuntu+1 [01:42] OK I will see if i can find the appropriate place to insert this knowledge. [01:43] !no precise is Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [01:43] I'll remember that pangolin [01:43] thanks endangered upcoming animal :) [01:46] lol [01:54] Num83rGuy_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound seems like a good place [01:55] Don't forget to put in version numbers and release information so that it will be easy to date the information [01:55] Yes sir. Thank you. === robert_ is now known as Guest99985 [02:16] aptitude shows all entries twice once installed and once uninstalled I think it's because I had a duplicated entry in /etc/apt/sources.lst when I first installed but I've fixed that and run aptitude clean and apt-cache clean [02:22] juan_: Sounds more like a log error you ran aptitude update of course? [02:25] Daskreech: yeah, aptitutde update, aptitude clean and the clean obsolete option from the menu [02:27] Think I just realied what i need (remove the remaining entry then clean) to do but need to finish the current install batch first. [02:39] Hi, I have an issue installing Kubuntu [02:39] I used a universal usb installer to download the iso for kubuntu and install it to a USB [02:39] I set my bios to boot from the usb [02:39] and I have it plugged in and everything [02:40] But when I boot, it just skips over it to windows. [02:59] I'm trying to install kubuntu from a thumb drive [02:59] I used a utility to put the iso on the drive, and I have my bios set to boot from the drive [02:59] but it just skips over the drive and boots windows [03:01] kierkkadon: does your bios have a quick boot option? [03:02] No [03:02] Although, in addition to giving the usb highest priority, I have forced it to choose the usb === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn === gerald is now known as Guest1281 === Kalidarn is now known as zz_Kalidarn === caesar__ is now known as caesar_ [05:53] I upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10. In top right on desktop, I still see the quarter of a circle activities button, wherease in videos I have seen a rectangle activites button. [05:54] ?? [05:55] So, does that mean I am not running 11.10 fully yet? [05:59] trions: u can pull it and move it [05:59] Oh yes I got it. === jared is now known as Guest42939 === Guest42939 is now known as JaredW === skreech__ is now known as Daskreech === zz_Kalidarn is now known as Kalidarn === kloeri_ is now known as kloeri [07:20] hi [07:21] is there a patch for Firefox global menu? The one I have I broken – it’s slow, and isn't working as it should [07:43] ciao [07:55] hi [07:56] Hernan_1980: Hello [07:56] hello benonsoftware [07:56] Do you know use IRC [07:56] Always :) [07:57] I'm learning to use IRC [07:57] Cool [07:58] What topics could find in IRC [07:58] Anything! [07:58] :) [07:59] How I can find other chanels? [08:00] Hernan_1980: Run /list [08:02] run /list [08:02] Try this: [08:02] Thank you [08:02] /list [08:03] No problem [08:03] where? [08:03] In your client [08:07] I use Quassel IRC. Wich mean client? [08:07] Thank you for help me [08:08] Yes [08:12] anyone knows? === peace is now known as Peace- [08:23] hi..... [08:24] Hernan_1980: hi [08:24] hi benon [08:25] Do you Know to use IRC? [08:25] I don't know [08:25] lol [08:25] you are using irc right now Hernan_1980 [08:25] * Peace- mm he is trolling? [08:25] but I want use other chanells [08:26] morning [08:26] Hernan_1980: so type this /join #namefochannel [08:26] i installed google earth.. and all the menu's and texts are in a very, very small font size, any idea why? [08:26] Good morning noaX [08:27] noaXess_kubuntu: mm try to change the fonts on systemsegtting ? [08:28] Peace-: no chance.. tried taht.. i set all the font, but nothing changes.. [08:28] noaXess_kubuntu: even chaing the font size? [08:30] it's only oin google earth.. and... wait.. yes and the login screen.. yes... i have autologin, but sometimes i need to manually login, then the login screen text fonts are as small as those in google earth [08:30] noaXess_kubuntu: sudo apt-get install qt4-qtconfig [08:30] noaXess_kubuntu: try to set from that [08:31] Peace-: ok [08:31] already installed... how to start it? [08:31] qtconfig [08:32] noaXess_kubuntu: make sure to do == change ==> file ==>save [08:33] Peace-: same as before.. :( [08:34] Peace-: point size is set to 9.. changed it to 10, saved.. and started google earth.. same small font size then before [08:34] noaXess_kubuntu: ok [08:34] noaXess_kubuntu: i have found some stuff [08:35] what is font substituation? [08:35] noaXess_kubuntu: read this http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/earth/thread?tid=656ef9a98bc427dd&hl=en [08:36] noaXess_kubuntu: when you have not a font style [08:36] the system replace what it should use with what you have selected [08:37] Peace-: i try your hint from the link.. [08:38] noaXess_kubuntu: ok let me check this [08:38] noaXess_kubuntu: try to execute qtconfig-qt4 instead of qtconfig [08:39] Peace-: and then? think same app will be opened [08:39] try to change again [08:39] make 12 like font size [08:40] Peace-: no change.. same small font [08:40] sorry i dunno i guess is a bug of google earth [08:40] noaXess_kubuntu: i ahve seen this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1435424 [08:41] but after that ... i really dunno [08:48] Peace-: aha... i think i have another problem.. if i change the font in qtconfig or qtconfig-qt4... save and exit and restart qtconfig again... the font is set back to 9 instead of my change i made before [08:49] mm [08:49] noaXess_kubuntu: i guess that is the problem [08:49] jep.. and maybe thats also why login screen font size is as small then in google earth [08:51] mmm [08:51] noaXess_kubuntu: for sure you have a problem [08:51] what did you do to the system ? [08:51] xD [08:51] hope not me.. hope only my systm :) [08:51] noaXess_kubuntu: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/20/plasma-desktopPS1413.jpg [08:51] nthing.. instaleld it, upgraded as normal.. [08:52] noaXess_kubuntu: try to create anew user [08:52] sudo adduser name [08:52] sudo adduser name admin [08:52] sudo adduser name audio [08:52] Peace-: why that screenshot? [08:52] noaXess_kubuntu: i mean this is my system right now on kubuntu 11.10 [08:52] for my fonts :) [08:52] me too.. [08:53] and don't have any problem.. only this i saw it cause tried out google.earth.. all other appps are ok.. [08:53] hi everyone [08:53] SkyhawkVince: hi [08:53] i'd like to ask if there is a way to lock plasmoids from a single panel [08:58] Peace-: checking something.. be back soon === morgan is now known as slater === slater is now known as morgan === morgan is now known as slater86 [09:26] Peace-: .. nothing changed.. my test was not the solutino.. i don't know, why i can't save qtconfig settings.. [09:27] noaXess_kubuntu: try with kdesudo before [09:27] noaXess_kubuntu: and launch google earth like root [09:27] it's not a good thing but... [09:27] maybe you can figure out what is happening [09:28] Peace-: srange.. if i do change font size with sudo qtconfig.. and save it, the font size is changed after save.. in the qtconfig gui.. if i run qtconfig as normal user.. i can change font size, save.. but nothing happens.. [09:29] hm.. is it correct, that i open different configs if i run qtconfig with sudo or as normal user? [09:29] where are the user qtconfig files? [09:29] noaXess_kubuntu: i guess in your home [09:30] in some hidden files [09:31] noaXess_kubuntu: ~/.config/Trolltech.conf [09:33] noaXess_kubuntu: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56296 [09:33] noaXess_kubuntu: i have to go bye, have luck [09:34] Peace-: that could be the solution.. was also my idea.. to mv Trolltech.conf and do it like above link explained.. testing it now.. [09:37] aaaaaaaaaaa.. nothing.. grrrr [10:11] Hi, I am trying to setup multitouch on kubuntu 11.10. I want to know where does one specify which multitouch driver to use during startup? Because I have couple of them and want to test them one by one. [10:13] I see a couple of config files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/. They are prefixed with numbers. Does this mean they are supposed to load in the order? === ORiON is now known as Guest37447 [10:44] Morning Everyone Pleeasew can anybody tell ne how to disable Nepomuk & It's email feeder (Its taking 2Gb Ram on a 8Gb System & slowing kmail to a crawl I cannot Remove it from the Akonadii Controle Panel [10:48] is kubuntu using kernel 3.0.x series? [10:48] because it has a bug and dont work for me [10:51] tsousa: yes 11.10 is using 3.0.x kernel [10:54] Yesterday I changed some Plasma settings: I moved the panel to another screen edge. Then I powered off. Today, when I log in, I cannot see any windows when I open them. They are opened, but not visible. It seems that Plasma is some how on top of it all. So I can only see the desktop background. WTF happened? How do I correct this? [10:54] I cannot even get it online, because I cannot see the network manager and thus cannot connect to the network. [10:56] trions, that sucks that series. it gives me a kernel panic with wpa_supplicant [11:07] Tdn have you tried moving the mouse to the top left hand corner On My setup this unzooms all windows so you can see them [11:09] alban42, alban42 when I do that, it zooms out and I can see all windows (the apps I have started), however, if I click one of them, I am back to same state as before: I cannot see any windows. Just the background. [11:10] I have yakuake. This window I can open. [11:11] I guess this is somehow on top of Plasma. [11:11] But everything else is below. [11:19] Tdn have you tried the activity tab on the right hand side I Tried Activitys & It gives 4 differant settings which change all the window panes (Sorry I am Running out of Ideas) [11:20] There is no activity tab here. I can only see the desktop. [11:21] Great, now Plasma crashed. [11:21] It then restared. Now I can see the bottom panel with task bar and such. [11:21] However, I cannot see windows. [11:21] The windows appear in the task bar though. [11:26] alban42, I somehow got the Activities bar visible. [11:26] Then there were different activities. [11:26] ow it seems I have my windows back. [11:26] I clicked stop on one of them, and now it seems I have my windows back. [11:27] This really really sucks. [11:27] This must never happen. Serious usability bug. [11:27] I dont even know how to report this. [11:34] my desktop is fairly stable GRIN But The combination of Kmail & Nepomuk kills my system [11:59] hello [11:59] i install virtualbox to run windows 7 on it [11:59] but i can't boot from usb drive [11:59] could someone help me [12:04] please === ragnarok is now known as MrBaus [12:41] i just installed a kubuntu 10.10 dvd. What is the command to run in terminal to upgrade everything to the latest ubuntu? [12:42] HELLO [12:42] MrBaus: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [12:42] dist upgrade? [12:43] rork: [12:43] I tend to go for save and not dist-upgrade [12:43] rork: whats the difference of dist upgrade [12:43] and upgrade [12:43] oh wait, you want to go to 11.10 right? [12:43] yes [12:45] rork: so i run first upgrade [12:45] then dist upgrade [12:45] or first dist upgrade [12:45] ?? [12:46] MrBaus: wait a second, the command I gave you was to update the system to the latest packages, upgrading distro uses a different set of commands [12:46] I have to look those up [12:46] !upgrade | MrBaus [12:46] MrBaus: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [12:57] I am doing a apt-get upgrade. If i want to stop the upgrade/shudown my pc will the progress done in downloading the updates be saved? === ragnarok is now known as FOCUS-HERE [12:57] I am doing a apt-get upgrade. If i want to stop the upgrade/shudown my pc will the progress done in downloading the updates be saved? [12:58] Really KDE? [12:58] Really? [12:58] Six crashes in under 2 minutes? [12:58] REALLY NOW? [13:14] in kubuntu 11.10 to broken the pulse. but in 11.04 all good [13:15] some application not see the pulse, and block audiosystem [13:27] could someone tell me how to make windows 7 in virtualbox on fullscreen [13:27] please [13:34] Hi! Is it still possible to get gnome-keyring unlocked on login in kubuntu 11.10? I have always failed so far (for this release, older releases are fine) [13:40] Howdy all === ragnarok is now known as JustinBieba [13:50] what is the command to install firefox? [13:51] JustinBieba: firefox-bin i guess [13:53] hi, do you know how to disable desktop sharing? There is no disable option in Krfb menu [13:53] ikonia: u mad bro? [13:53] JustinBieba: stop trying to cause a problem and use the channel for ubuntu technical support [13:54] ikonia: rage moar [13:54] I must use killall krfb [13:54] I cant disable it from autostart [13:56] anyone? :) [13:56] wat [13:57] hmm. [14:00] zeraw: maybe in settings [14:01] Peace-: I'm searching for the setting with no luck 2 days now [14:01] i found that some ppl (google) used the kill command [14:01] ok i am gonna to install this software [14:01] It's installed by default [14:01] Internet > Desktop Sharing [14:01] (Krfb) [14:05] zeraw: well but you have like settings :: reopen the last session ? [14:05] yeah [14:05] wtf [14:05] but I kill it [14:05] so it's normal it will run again [14:05] :S [14:06] hmmm [14:06] I'll stop the service too and I'll test [14:06] brb [14:09] anybody around ? Kontact seems to have lost all my mails ... and it crashes every time I close it [14:14] u19809: :) [14:14] u19809: nice [14:14] honestly since 11.xx kubuntu is REALLY sucking ... cannot start to describe all the shit I have with [14:15] but losing my mail is really bad ! [14:15] u19809: $HOME/.kde/share/apps/ [14:15] look for kmail or kontact [14:15] 3 entries : kmail kmail2 kmail-migrator [14:15] and one kontact [14:17] u19809: i guess you have to look on those folders [14:17] maybe your mail are there... [14:18] u19809: remember when some application is upgraded it's a good thing remove old configuration files... [14:18] my mail is stored in a separate folder but there is NO content in kmail ... no inbox outbox nothing the tree is empty ! [14:19] wait [14:20] u19809: i really dunno for me even with crash you should not loose your data [14:21] I the crash did not cause the data to disappear ... I had crashes all the time but for some reason all is gon [14:22] have you upgraded the softwware? [14:23] I do a regular apt-get upgrade but major upgrade i did not do recently [14:23] u19809: you have upgrade your distro from 11**> to 11.10 ? [14:24] The upgrade I did weeks before the problem started. [14:24] I had access to kmail from a remote ssh -X session and after that it failed. [14:24] u19809: you should remove all the config files... [14:24] and try to restart it [14:25] which config files ? wherea re they ? [14:25] as for each programs they are :: $HOME/.kde/share/config [14:25] and [14:25]