[00:01] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[00:04] <FernandoMiguel> hummm
[00:04] <FernandoMiguel> can't seem to pass sound along via HDMI to my TV
[00:04] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[00:10] <bjsnider> you have to use the audio applet and change the output device to hdmi
[00:10] <penguin42> and then fight with the config on your tv
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: it doesn't create TWO devices
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> only internal device
[00:11] <penguin42> what video card?
[00:11] <bjsnider> sandybridge
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> so all sound *EITHER* is on laptop speaker OR on TV
[00:11] <FernandoMiguel> it used to be able to pick each per app
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> I can change the profile
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> but that will send the entire thing to ONE place only
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[00:12] <FernandoMiguel> and now bright died... oh joy
[00:14] <FernandoMiguel> filing a bug on pulse
[00:18] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/892642
[00:19] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: What does it show up as in Alsa? is there one entry in /proc/asound/cards or two?
[00:19] <FernandoMiguel>  0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
[00:19] <FernandoMiguel>                       HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7f00000 irq 50
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: ^^^^
[00:20] <penguin42> then in that case I say it's not PA's fault
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[00:20] <FernandoMiguel> it's the intel codec?
[00:20] <penguin42> although you might look if it's got multiple separate channels
[00:22] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: teach me, master
[00:22] <penguin42> penguin42: I think so but I don't know enough to know if it can do separate independent channels on one card
[00:23] <penguin42> erk I must be tired, speaking to myself
[00:24] <cjwatson> aking1012: thanks for mentioning that, but bugs reported on IRC will be forgotten - could you file it in Launchpad (debian-installer package in Ubuntu) with logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman), please?
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: aking1012 yeah I can confirm that daily images won't install
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> partman bug somewhere
[00:25] <FernandoMiguel> both last 3 dailys cds and dvd
[00:26] <cjwatson> ok, first I've heard of it
[00:26] <cjwatson> alternate or desktop
[00:26] <cjwatson> ?
[00:26] <aking1012> yeah will do
[00:26] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: desktop
[00:26] <FernandoMiguel> alternate worked
[00:26] <aking1012> alternate for me, but it may be present on desktop...alternate installed a full desktop package for me
[00:26] <cjwatson> I installed desktop yesterday; it was fine
[00:26] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: really?
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> I tried last 3 dailies
[00:27] <cjwatson> no, I made it up just to mess with you
[00:27] <cjwatson> yes, really
[00:27]  * penguin42 guesses dependent on hardware or existing partitioning
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> all would not show any options to assign partitions
[00:27] <cjwatson> logs
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> didn't take any
[00:27] <cjwatson> many things in this area are dependent on existing partitioning, yes
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> full disk wipe
[00:27] <cjwatson> or very occasionally on hardware
[00:27] <FernandoMiguel> 64 GBs SSD
[00:28] <cjwatson> logs are an order of magnitude more helpful than verbal descriptions
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> okay
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> ill try again
[00:28] <cjwatson> thanks
[00:28] <aking1012> i got SEVERE weirdness...like wouldn't even let me specify mountpoints for existing formatted partitions or specify whether i should format or not
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> aking1012: yeah, that what I got
[00:28] <cjwatson> I'm happy to look at this, but I need detailed logs
[00:29] <FernandoMiguel> ohh I have another fine one on alternate: it won't let me pick ext2
[00:29] <cjwatson> (and possibly not right now, it's 12:30am)
[00:29] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: here too
[00:29] <FernandoMiguel> night is still a child
[00:30] <aking1012> you guys are 4 hrs ahead of me
[00:30] <cjwatson> sadly, my child is going to wake up in fewer hours than I need sleep
[00:30] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: not that is any helpful. but on windows 7 it works fine
[00:31] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Correct, not helpful
[00:31] <aking1012> lolz
[00:31] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: enjoy the pillow
[00:31] <FernandoMiguel> so the device is capable
[00:31] <FernandoMiguel> the problem is software side
[00:31] <cjwatson> sure, I expected that
[00:31] <penguin42> it's just the pangolin isn't precise yet
[00:31] <cjwatson> people brush things off as hardware problems way too quickly ...
[00:31] <cjwatson> penguin42: please don't do that
[00:32] <cjwatson> we need to squash problems quickly, not dismiss them as "oh, precise is unstable"
[00:32] <cjwatson> otherwise precise won't be stable
[00:32] <penguin42> cjwatson: Oh sorry, I didn't mean it in a derogatory way - just things always have stuff that needs fixing while it's in dev
[00:32] <cjwatson> there is no reason why partitioning should be broken right now, therefore it needs to be investigated properly
[00:32] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: for a reason I'm running it on bare metal
[00:33] <FernandoMiguel> filing bugs of what I can
[00:33] <FernandoMiguel> doing clean installs
[00:33] <cjwatson> absolutely
[00:34] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: I actually assumed partman being broken was known or expected at this time
[00:34] <FernandoMiguel> fail on me , since I know very well not to expect devs to know about MY bugs
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> I guess having such a bad time with 11.10 and a dead laptop, and a non working one, made me stop caring for a while
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> I even installed Fedora 16 on this new laptop.... but it sucks even more
[00:35] <aking1012> awww
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> so here I am back to ubuntu +1 winning
[00:35] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Out of interest, did you return the vaio?
[00:35] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I did
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> lovely machine, very light, very fast
[00:36] <penguin42> ...pity it didn't work
[00:36] <aking1012> my only issue was that i had to resize partitions...after a default side-by-side install.  the logs for the bug report might be lacking if i have to delete and reinstall to replicate
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> it was an i3 and seemed faster than this dell with a i5
[00:36] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: totally not expected at this time
[00:36] <FernandoMiguel> aking1012: it happened to me 3 times
[00:36] <cjwatson> I just tried today's daily in kvm with a blank disk; it allowed me to select ext2 just fine
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> two cd (usb) isos and one DVD
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> the 19th
[00:37] <cjwatson> aking1012: why not attach the logs from the install you did?
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: we can't install it... now way to go forward
[00:37] <FernandoMiguel> we get stuck at picking partitions
[00:37] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: so I need a way that I can reproduce this
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> let me try in virtual box
[00:38] <aking1012> yeah, that's the issue. it works fine as long as you do a vanilla install... and cjwatson:i probably will.  any particular output you would find most useful?
[00:38] <cjwatson> the single best way to get me to fix installer bugs is to clearly describe a way I can reproduce them in a virtual environment
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> I'm doing a Manual config, 2GB /boot in ext2 and remaining logical, with one ext4 for /
[00:38] <cjwatson> aking1012: /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman (from an existing install)
[00:38] <cjwatson> I do not need or want any logs other than that
[00:38] <aking1012> cjwatson: will do
[00:38] <FernandoMiguel> installing VB now
[00:39] <FernandoMiguel> still have the pendrive I used
[00:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I suspect that because you managed an install with the alternate the problem may not be reproducable any more even on the full machine, but it might be worth a go
[00:39] <penguin42> (the alternate having changed the part table)
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: ill do it in a VM
[00:40] <cjwatson> depends very much on the cause; over eight years of debugging partitioning problems I've learned that it's unwise to prejudge causes
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> if I can reproduce there, it should be easy to mimic
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> if it fails to happen there, then its somewhat HW related
[00:40] <cjwatson> no
[00:40] <cjwatson> that's not a valid inference
[00:40] <FernandoMiguel> I still have a partition free, and can try there if need be
[00:41] <cjwatson> I can't remember the last time I encountered a partitining bug that was truly a hardware bug
[00:41] <cjwatson> *partitioning
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel>   google-talkplugin: Depends: ia32-libs (>= 2.4) but it is not going to be installed.
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel>                      Depends: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed.
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel> bah...... stupid dependencies
[00:41] <cjwatson> google-talkplugin:i386 might work better
[00:42] <cjwatson> ia32-libs => zombie, quicker it dies the better
[00:42] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[00:42] <FernandoMiguel> you mean I can install the 32bits version and it will work?
[00:42] <FernandoMiguel> so that's why we see all those packages :i386
[00:43] <cjwatson> that is the intent, as of 11.10
[00:43] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: That's the wonders of multiarch!
[00:43] <cjwatson> ia32-libs was a festering nightmare
[00:43] <FernandoMiguel> I know
[00:43] <penguin42> nod
[00:43] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo aptitude purge google-talkplugin
[00:43] <cjwatson> if there are problems with doing it the multiarch way we will fix them
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-talkplugin:i386:
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel>  google-talkplugin:i386 depends on libv4l-0.
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> dpkg: error processing google-talkplugin:i386 (--install):
[00:44] <FernandoMiguel> doh
[00:45] <cjwatson> OK, so v4l-utils hasn't been multiarched yet
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> -  google-talkplugin: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed. or
[00:45] <cjwatson> that's fixable for 12.04, I suggest filing a bug on it and tagging it multiarch
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> bah
[00:45] <FernandoMiguel> will do
[00:46] <cjwatson> if people were relying on ia32-libs for google-talkplugin then we need to ensure that all its dependencies are converted
[00:46] <cjwatson> libgl1-mesa-glx, on the other hand, *has* been multiarched; so that's probably just apt giving up at the first level of problems
[00:46] <cjwatson> $ apt-cache show libgl1-mesa-glx | grep ^Multi-Arch:
[00:46] <cjwatson> Multi-Arch: same
[00:46] <cjwatson> hm, wait
[00:47] <cjwatson> libv4l-0 *has* been multiarched
[00:47] <cjwatson> $ apt-cache show libv4l-0 | grep ^Multi-Arch:
[00:47] <cjwatson> Multi-Arch: same
[00:47]  * FernandoMiguel stops filling bug
[00:47] <cjwatson> what does 'sudo apt-get install libv4l-0:i386' say?
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel>  google-talkplugin:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 but it is not going to be installed or
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel>                                    libgl1:i386
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel>  libv4l-0:i386 : Depends: libv4lconvert0:i386 (= 0.8.5-6ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:48] <FernandoMiguel> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[00:48] <cjwatson> (aptitude has known problems with multiarch; I don't remember whether that's just its UI or whether it's the resolver too)
[00:48] <cjwatson> so now add 'libv4lconvert0:i386' to that command line
[00:48]  * FernandoMiguel <3s aptitude (over apt-get)
[00:49] <cjwatson> you're welcome to, but it's known not to work
[00:49] <FernandoMiguel> any bug I can track about that?
[00:49] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768 at least
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> AHH
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: its not the archive archs
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> its google talk plugin
[00:50] <cjwatson> ?
[00:50] <FernandoMiguel> that when installed breaks it
[00:51] <FernandoMiguel> if if purge the i386 version, installing libv4 works
[00:51] <cjwatson> that doesn't make sense to me; I don't know whether it's alcohol, or the lateness, or unclearness :)
[00:51] <FernandoMiguel> :=
[00:51] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> I've purged google talk plugin
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> installed v4 i386
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> let me see if talk plugin now works or if it still complains
[00:52] <cjwatson> please don't abbreviate package names; it is very confusing indeed
[00:52] <cjwatson> I guess you mean libv4l-0
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> Setting up google-talkplugin:i386 (2.5.6.0-1) ...
[00:52] <FernandoMiguel> and that works.....
[00:52] <cjwatson> there is an art to extracting good error messages from apt :)
[00:52] <cjwatson> ok
[00:53] <FernandoMiguel> humm the order of install maters
[00:53] <cjwatson> it should not!
[00:53] <cjwatson> were you still using aptitude
[00:53] <cjwatson> ?
[00:53] <FernandoMiguel> tell that to google packagers
[00:53] <cjwatson> no
[00:53] <FernandoMiguel> no, I'm using dpkg and apt-get
[00:53] <cjwatson> apt's behaviour is not the responsibility of the google-talkplugin packager
[00:54] <cjwatson> it would be silly to complain to them about it
[00:54] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: let me know what I can do to help track this... but now, go to bed
[00:54] <FernandoMiguel> I'll be here daily
[00:54] <FernandoMiguel> we are on similar TZs, should be easy
[00:54] <cjwatson> feel free to file a bug about this, but make sure it has a complete transcript of everything you did, not a verbal description
[00:55] <FernandoMiguel> and I use Google+ daily , so its easy to reproduce
[00:55] <cjwatson> copy and paste from the console
[00:55] <cjwatson> anyway, yeah, sleep
[00:55] <cjwatson> night
[00:55] <FernandoMiguel> nn
[00:56] <FernandoMiguel> hummm the plugin isn't being detected... let me restart the browser
[00:58] <FernandoMiguel> anyone else on a clean install, is having stuff require ROOT password instead of user/sudo?
[01:02] <aking1012> not me...
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> hummmmmm
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> it's very strange
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> I've set a pass for root
[01:02] <FernandoMiguel> but still doesn't justify this
[01:10] <penguin42> I can imagine stuff doing stuff differently if it found that a root password had been set - not sure if that's true though
[01:14] <FernandoMiguel> let me disable root
[01:15] <FernandoMiguel> no go
[01:16] <FernandoMiguel> what's pkexecs?
[01:16]  * penguin42 guesses related to package-kit ?
[01:17] <penguin42> oh no
[01:17] <penguin42> ah, PolicyKit
[01:17] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[01:18] <bjsnider> yes, i think policykit was just introduced
[01:19] <bjsnider> which means possibly all of that extra-security that makes fedora so much fun to quit
[01:19] <FernandoMiguel> so why am I the only one hitting this ?
[01:19] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: stop that rantting........
[01:21] <bjsnider> i ♥ my fedora-using cousins
[01:25] <FernandoMiguel> so, what can I do to check if this is a PK bug?
[01:27] <bjsnider> i wonder if you can turn pk off for a session
[01:34] <FernandoMiguel> I guess that why even the livecd asks for "password" on popups for super user
[01:35] <aking1012> on the livecd just hit enter
[01:40] <FernandoMiguel> fuuuu
[01:40] <FernandoMiguel> can't reproduce the bug with VB, aking1012 :\
[01:42] <aking1012> it's okay...just an oddity i experienced
[01:52] <FernandoMiguel> but I did it 3 times
[01:52] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[01:52] <FernandoMiguel> must be something on my SSD
[03:50] <FernandoMiguel> nity nite
[11:28] <tsousa> the next version of ubuntu will have 3.1.x series?
[11:31] <sagaci_> tsousa: 3.2 kernel - if that's what you're referring to
[11:32] <tsousa> i have some problems with the current version 3.0.x . i get some kernel panics with wpa_supplicant
[11:32] <tsousa> and that problem is fixed in 3.1.x series
[11:35] <iceroot> tsousa: you are not talking about the rt2800pci wifi-panics?
[11:35] <tsousa> yes
[11:35] <tsousa> rt61
[11:35] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502
[11:36] <iceroot> its not fixed in 3.2
[11:36] <iceroot> or in any other 3.x kernel
[11:37] <tsousa> so no solution?
[11:37] <iceroot> but there is a patch now which needs testing
[11:37] <tsousa> iceroot, can you give me the patch or the link?
[11:37] <iceroot> tsousa: install the wifi-driver from the ra-website or use 2.6.38. that are the solutions now
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> iceroot: I never seem to get it when my laptop is fully charged and I'm on AC
[11:38] <iceroot> tsousa: here is the patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502/comments/108
[11:40] <tsousa> iceroot, in the patch it says rt2800pci but i have an rt61 it will work as well?
[11:41] <iceroot> tsousa: rt2800pci does not mean the wifi-chip, it means the kernel-module
[11:41] <iceroot> lsmod should show rt2800pci
[13:13] <FernandoMiguel> here's a nice bootchart http://fernandomiguel.net/now-compare-this-ubuntu-1204-bootchart-8sec-w
[13:13] <FernandoMiguel> http://fernandomiguel.net/for-future-reference-here-is-fedora-16-bootch
[13:31] <bluefoxicy> April right?
[13:31] <bluefoxicy> Need next version, Gnome-shell crashes too much on current :|  I googled it and got results "Unity crashes a hell of a lot still" lol... anything using 3D and compositing falls apart...
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:53] <FernandoMiguel> what's the procedure to file bugs on multi arch support?
[15:04] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/892778
[16:03] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: file bug on the packages that need to be fixed (not ia32-libs), tag it multiarch (not multi-arch)
[16:03] <cjwatson> I've fixed the tag and will add bug tasks on the appropriate packages for you
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: thanks. sorry for the mistakes.
[16:06] <FernandoMiguel> but since this are packages outside the repos, it's on the depenencies ?
[16:07] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: also, I could not reproduce my partman bug on a VM.... ill try on liveusb later and open a bug report with the logs
[16:07] <cjwatson> please rephrase the last but one thing you said; I did not understand it
[16:09] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: but since this are packages outside the repos (team viewer, google-talkplugin,skype,etc) , should we file the bugs on the dependencies that aren't yet properly working ?
[16:10] <cjwatson> yes, assuming that you can accurately work out which they are :-)
[16:10] <cjwatson> using dpkg -i is not a good guide because dpkg does not resolve dependencies
[16:10] <cjwatson> (this is true whether you're looking at multiarch or not)
[16:11] <cjwatson> if you really don't know you can file it on no package (i.e. just Ubuntu) and tag it multiarch
[16:12] <FernandoMiguel> thanks
[16:12] <FernandoMiguel> will try to do my best
[16:14] <FernandoMiguel> can anyone point me where do I set compiz as my WM instead of metacity in gnome-fallback ?
[16:14] <FernandoMiguel> having to start it manually on each login is dumb
[16:17] <FernandoMiguel> also if anyone can point me on how to trace how to get the internal 3G (soft?) modem this Dell laptop is supposed to have, I would appreciate! dell support assures me it is present... but neither win7, fedora or ubuntu seems to "see" it :\
[16:41] <zniavre> FernandoMiguel,  im using fusion-icon to start compiz
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> zniavre: fusion-icon is poisen
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> has been since 7.04
[16:42] <FernandoMiguel> alias compizC='DISPLAY=:0 compiz --reload &'
[17:18] <Ryan_Reynolds> hey anyone got any screenshots of 12.xx?
[17:28] <Ryan_Reynolds> also can someone ask ocean why he decided to ban me for asking how to get the nvidia-current driver enabled and in use?
[17:28] <Ryan_Reynolds> afaik, this is a legit problem
[17:28] <oCean> Ryan_Reynolds: you can discuss your removal in #ubuntu-ops, not here
[18:53] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, gnome-session-fallback has a terminal disease
[18:54] <bjsnider> it's being removed now that gnome-shell can be run without opengl hardware
[18:55] <FernandoMiguel> oh boy
[18:55] <FernandoMiguel> shall I leave ubuntu now?
[18:56] <bjsnider> it's not an ubuntu issue
[18:56] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: you know, I was using xmonad + unity 2d until about a week ago
[18:56] <bjsnider> sooner or later, the choices are going to be: kde, gnome-shell, unity, or some old-style thing like xfce
[18:56] <ior3k> I'm not sure what your reasons for sticking with gnome-session-fallback are
[18:57] <ior3k> but if you haven't already, do try unity
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: I did
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> for a few days
[18:57] <bjsnider> so it would be better to get used to one of the advanced ones, ie. unity or gnome-shell, now
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> and have another laptop with it
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> I just can use it
[18:57] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: what don't you like about it?
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> it auto hides, it merges windows, not app bar visible
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> BLERG
[18:57] <FernandoMiguel> it's not ranting
[18:58] <ior3k> not sure what you mean by merging windows, but you can make the launcher be always visible
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> its just I like many things of gnome 2
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: when you alt tab between them
[18:58] <bjsnider> there are extensions to make gnome-shell operate more like gnome 2
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> if you have two browser open, it shows only one, then expands on mouse over or timeouts
[18:58] <BluesKaj> well, so far kde is more stable on 12.04 than 11.10 on my setup at least ...had a small freeze yestrday but otherwise the desktop seems ok
[18:58] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: you can disable the unity switcher
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> and requires mouse to pick one
[18:58] <ior3k> I'm using compiz's static switcher
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> I hate mice!
[18:58] <ior3k> and I don't even touch the mouse
[18:58] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: ill try that
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> it's my main complain
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> the other is the auto hide
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> I have enough screen space
[18:59] <ior3k> auto hide of the launcher?
[18:59] <ior3k> you can disable that too
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> where?
[18:59] <FernandoMiguel> AFAIK we couldn't
[19:00] <FernandoMiguel> if I can work those too, I might give it a go, again
[19:00] <ior3k>  in ccsm -> unity -> behaviour -> hide launcher -> never
[19:00] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, there are extensions to bring back the bottom panel, add the menus, add the workspace switcher, etc. for gnome-shell. this makes it look and behave quite a lot like gnome 2
[19:00]  * BluesKaj wonders what's so wonderful about keyboard only use .
[19:01] <ior3k> BluesKaj: personal preference, that's actually something that's wonderful about mankind: diversity ;)
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: I haven't used the gnome-menus ever since I started using gnome-do
[19:02] <BluesKaj> mankind , diversity ?..wow ..it's just abloody mouse :)
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> around 7.10
[19:02] <bjsnider> then i don't see what the problem is
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: carpel tunel
[19:03] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, then a KB is probly worse
[19:03] <aj00200> FernandoMiguel: actually, research shows that computer usage isn't associated with carpel tunel
[19:03] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOL
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> aj00200: would love to read that
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: depends on how you use it
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> I rest my palms a lot
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> but mouse is way more repetitive
[19:04] <aj00200> FernandoMiguel: I wish I had it but I was told that by a personal friend who happens to be a hand-specialized doctor
[19:04] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, bah humbug ...
[19:05] <BluesKaj> depends on how you use it ? that's a cop-out if i ever heard one
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> shame... spent 2h making sure compiz was just how I like it
[19:06] <FernandoMiguel> and now ill have to redo everything on unity
[19:07] <FernandoMiguel> is there a even dev version of unity ?
[19:07] <FernandoMiguel> running stable isn't for me
[19:24] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/155923
[19:27] <FernandoMiguel> RH? lol
[19:28] <FernandoMiguel> ok, putting WM question asside
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> anyone here has any expertise in power management?
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> it's a shame to see a 9h+ battery last <3h :(
[19:29] <bjsnider> at least it's getting a workout
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> what is ?
[19:32] <bjsnider> this might be a temporary thing because i think there are new patches for the kernel to make it handle power more like the windows kernel
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> humm 3.2 ?
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> Linux Bostro 3.1.0-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 29 00:48:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> wasn't 3.2 uploaded ?
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel>  I've been running i7z to see how the CPU handles it
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> but it seems to be doing it's job well
[19:35] <FernandoMiguel> I have no idea where all the energy is going
[19:36] <FernandoMiguel> that and why bright always defaults to max on any power change.... even if its set to be at 50% :\
[19:37] <bjsnider> the patch was introduced and applied to linux-next on the 11th
[19:38] <bjsnider> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> let me grab a kernel from the PPA then
[19:40] <FernandoMiguel> humm they are all for oneiric
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> daily has it
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> Matthew Garrett (2):       The Windows driver .inf disables ASPM on all cciss devices. Do the same.       [SCSI] hpsa: Disable ASPM
[19:45] <FernandoMiguel> rebooting to kernel 3.2.0-999
[19:49] <bjsnider> cool
[19:49] <bjsnider> i'd like to know how well it works myself
[19:51] <FernandoMiguel> will do
[19:51] <FernandoMiguel> and
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel> thanks. really, thanks a lot! you guys (and you know who you are) are the thing that keep me in Ubuntu
[19:56] <FernandoMiguel> time my reboot :)
[19:59] <FernandoMiguel> no wifi with this kernel
[19:59] <FernandoMiguel> FAIL
[20:00] <FernandoMiguel> and got hit by the terrible password popup bug :\ need to file that, but no idea where
[20:01] <FernandoMiguel> open anything that wants to unlock the keychain, and run something that will put a popup, like gnome-do
[20:01] <FernandoMiguel> the screen locks
[20:03] <FernandoMiguel> without wifi I'm sure it saves battery :P
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892855
[20:07] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson:  hope that's good
[20:14] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892857
[20:19] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: the only package that might actually need porting in that list is v4l-utils if it hasn't been converted to multiarch yet.  otherwise, dpkg just needs to be a little smarter about -i installs to pull in deps
[20:20] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: also, you should just install the 32 bit version since the 64 bit version is just a wrapper
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: if I use the 32bits version, chrome won't "see" it
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> stupid question (I deserve it too): how do I use apt-get to install local files, as I do with dpkg ?
[20:32] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: I'm not sure how to make apt-get install local files, in the past I've done dpkg -i, then run aptitude, but there's probably a better way
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> so I'm not doing the right way, but there isn't a better way :)
[20:35] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: so, nspluginwrapper doesn't work on chrome plugins?
[20:35]  * micahg guesses not
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: I don't think I have that installed
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel> nspluginwrapper:
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: (none)
[20:36] <FernandoMiguel>   Candidate: 1.4.4-0ubuntu3
[20:59] <FernandoMiguel> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/744705/
[21:00] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: you can try installing those packages manually
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> both 32 and 64bits packages don't work
[21:00] <micahg> FernandoMiguel: it still might not work though
[21:00] <FernandoMiguel> :\
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> grabbing some food, back to older kernel, and testing unity
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> bbl
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> running the risk of none ever talking to me:
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> using Unity + Compiz!
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> and it works for me! (assuming compiz doesn't crash a lot, which it does)
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> got the launcher stuck there... still no way to start compiz without it crashing
[21:52] <FernandoMiguel> it has the nasty habit of reseting settings, so I lost all changes I had since I moved to unity
[21:54] <FernandoMiguel> pum... one more.... meh
[22:06] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: please stop reporting bugs based on the output of 'dpkg -i' - as Steve says, it's useless
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> :)
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[22:06] <cjwatson> I thought I'd made that clear earlier.  dpkg does NOT resolve dependencies
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> then how do I install this debs?
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> it's the only way I know
[22:06] <cjwatson> install it from a repository using apt-get
[22:06] <cjwatson> presumably you downloaded it from somewhere
[22:06] <FernandoMiguel> I've installed all  other depencies I could
[22:06] <cjwatson> failing that, gdebi may work
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> but still hitting ia32
[22:07] <cjwatson> sure, that's not my point
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> it's a download deb.. not repo
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> talk.google.com
[22:07] <cjwatson> my point is that the output of dpkg -i saying unresolved dependencies does not constitute a bug report
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> cjwatson: does this ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/744771/
[22:08] <cjwatson> no, it does not
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> let me try gdebi
[22:08] <cjwatson> gdebi can be used to install local debs resolving dependencies; I'm not certain about its status with respect to multiarch
[22:08] <micahg> perhaps software center can now install debs as well?
[22:08] <FernandoMiguel> who do I fire it up with a deb?
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> double click?
[22:09] <cjwatson> 'gdebi whatever.deb'
[22:09] <bjsnider> software center handles debs now
[22:09] <bjsnider> that shuld launch if you doulbe-click one
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel>  sudo gdebi google-talkplugin_current_amd64.deb
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> This package is uninstallable
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> Cannot install 'ia32-libs'
[22:09]  * FernandoMiguel head desk
[22:10] <cjwatson> right.  I didn't say it would work, but at least now the output is less misleading
[22:10] <cjwatson> that demonstrates that the eglibc and gcc-4.6 tasks you created are invalid
[22:10] <FernandoMiguel> so we depreceate ia32 for multiarch before MA being ready
[22:10] <cjwatson> no!
[22:10] <bjsnider> that package is uninstallable on precise at the moment
[22:11] <cjwatson> it looks like this is actually a rare case where it's a problem with the third-party package, judging from what Steve said to you in the bug report, so I have to take back what I said earlier as Steve is the expert on this
[22:11] <cjwatson> but we only deprecated ia32-libs once multiarch was in general ready to replace it; there are certainly going to be a few cases where it doesn't quite work yet
[22:11] <FernandoMiguel> can we ping steve here and try to reach a concence ?
[22:11] <cjwatson> you can try although I think he's on holiday
[22:12] <micahg> there was a request to file bugs for libraries that still need to be multiarched
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> okay, what can I do now?
[22:12] <cjwatson> micahg: right, but nothing of what FernandoMiguel has reported indicates that
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> wanna stop filling useless bug
[22:12] <micahg> right
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> but wanna see this fixed as soon as possible
[22:12] <cjwatson> FernandoMiguel: leave your most recent bug alone for now and let's let Steve have an opportunity to respond to it
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> I will
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> should I add the gdebi output ?
[22:13] <cjwatson> perhaps, although the dependency on ia32-libs is fairly damning in itself :)
[22:13] <cjwatson> I just wanted to stem the flow of reports with dpkg output
[22:14]  * cjwatson goes back to attempting to deal with the handful of issues blocking a multiarch crossgrade of my laptop
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/892857/comments/2
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: should I file a bug for the daily kernel not supporting my wifi card?
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> archive 3.2 works fine.... using it right now
[22:15] <lan3y> is this the place to ask about a gpu issue? im running 12.04 and no one is replying in main channel
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> lan3y: it's the prefered, yes
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> or #ubuntu-x on week days.... but they will ignore you the same
[22:16] <cjwatson> well, uh, the real GPU experts are on #ubuntu-x not here
[22:16] <lan3y> i have one of those silly hybrid setups with intel hd/ati radeon, need some help with it
[22:17] <lan3y> ok ill go there :D
[22:17] <cjwatson> patience is always a virtue of course
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> lan3y: as in turnin one off?
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> don't bother
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> use the pulso util
[22:18] <lan3y> i'd just like to run the radeon all the time
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> ahahaha
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> you are just crazy
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> but you can
[22:20] <lan3y> at the moment i just have xorg-server-video-ati installed and hoping for the best
[22:22] <lan3y> but anyways that can wait, anything you guys need help with testing?
[22:22] <FernandoMiguel> humm can't find the link lan3y
[22:22] <bjsnider> lan3y, do you have a switch to turn off one of the chips?
[22:23] <lan3y> closest to a switch is in bios the option for "intel" or both
[22:23] <bjsnider> you cannot run radeon all the time then
[22:23] <bjsnider> you can run intel all the time
[22:23] <bjsnider> which is probably what you should do
[22:24] <lan3y> ok, back in a min, going to change the bios setting
[22:25] <bjsnider> i'm sure linux will have good hybrid support in about 13 years
[22:25] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOLOL
[22:27] <lan3y> sorted
[22:28] <lan3y> not on switch-able anymore so shouldn't confuse ubuntu
[22:28] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, I think whatever hybrid support they're working on now will be deprecated in 13 years
[22:29] <bjsnider> i'm just being pessimistic because we still have to solve the 6000 other graphics problems on linux first
[22:31] <lan3y> made the laptop cooler running single gpu anyways
[22:31] <bjsnider> i'm also conflating xrg problem and mesa/opengl problems, but it's all rock n roll to me
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> reply from Steve: The package will continue to exist in precise, but is being restructured as
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> is currently not installable. You can still install ia32-libs in 11.10.
[22:36] <lan3y> what's this for?
[22:37] <FernandoMiguel> lan3y: my ia32libs bug
[22:37] <lan3y> ah ok