| BluesKaj | BBL, stuff to do | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| FernandoMiguel | hummm | 00:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | can't seem to pass sound along via HDMI to my TV | 00:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | :\ | 00:04 |
| bjsnider | you have to use the audio applet and change the output device to hdmi | 00:10 |
| penguin42 | and then fight with the config on your tv | 00:10 |
| FernandoMiguel | bjsnider: it doesn't create TWO devices | 00:11 |
| FernandoMiguel | only internal device | 00:11 |
| penguin42 | what video card? | 00:11 |
| bjsnider | sandybridge | 00:11 |
| FernandoMiguel | so all sound *EITHER* is on laptop speaker OR on TV | 00:11 |
| FernandoMiguel | it used to be able to pick each per app | 00:11 |
| FernandoMiguel | I can change the profile | 00:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | but that will send the entire thing to ONE place only | 00:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | :\ | 00:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | and now bright died... oh joy | 00:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | filing a bug on pulse | 00:14 |
| FernandoMiguel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/892642 | 00:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 892642 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "both hdmi and internal speakers are just one" [Undecided,New] | 00:18 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: What does it show up as in Alsa? is there one entry in /proc/asound/cards or two? | 00:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH | 00:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7f00000 irq 50 | 00:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: ^^^^ | 00:20 |
| penguin42 | then in that case I say it's not PA's fault | 00:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | :) | 00:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | :( | 00:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's the intel codec? | 00:20 |
| penguin42 | although you might look if it's got multiple separate channels | 00:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: teach me, master | 00:22 |
| penguin42 | penguin42: I think so but I don't know enough to know if it can do separate independent channels on one card | 00:22 |
| penguin42 | erk I must be tired, speaking to myself | 00:23 |
| cjwatson | aking1012: thanks for mentioning that, but bugs reported on IRC will be forgotten - could you file it in Launchpad (debian-installer package in Ubuntu) with logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman), please? | 00:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: aking1012 yeah I can confirm that daily images won't install | 00:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | partman bug somewhere | 00:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | both last 3 dailys cds and dvd | 00:25 |
| cjwatson | ok, first I've heard of it | 00:26 |
| cjwatson | alternate or desktop | 00:26 |
| cjwatson | ? | 00:26 |
| aking1012 | yeah will do | 00:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: desktop | 00:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | alternate worked | 00:26 |
| aking1012 | alternate for me, but it may be present on desktop...alternate installed a full desktop package for me | 00:26 |
| cjwatson | I installed desktop yesterday; it was fine | 00:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: really? | 00:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | I tried last 3 dailies | 00:27 |
| cjwatson | no, I made it up just to mess with you | 00:27 |
| cjwatson | yes, really | 00:27 |
| * penguin42 guesses dependent on hardware or existing partitioning | 00:27 | |
| FernandoMiguel | all would not show any options to assign partitions | 00:27 |
| cjwatson | logs | 00:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | didn't take any | 00:27 |
| cjwatson | many things in this area are dependent on existing partitioning, yes | 00:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | full disk wipe | 00:27 |
| cjwatson | or very occasionally on hardware | 00:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | 64 GBs SSD | 00:27 |
| cjwatson | logs are an order of magnitude more helpful than verbal descriptions | 00:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | okay | 00:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | ill try again | 00:28 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 00:28 |
| aking1012 | i got SEVERE weirdness...like wouldn't even let me specify mountpoints for existing formatted partitions or specify whether i should format or not | 00:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | aking1012: yeah, that what I got | 00:28 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy to look at this, but I need detailed logs | 00:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | ohh I have another fine one on alternate: it won't let me pick ext2 | 00:29 |
| cjwatson | (and possibly not right now, it's 12:30am) | 00:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: here too | 00:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | night is still a child | 00:29 |
| aking1012 | you guys are 4 hrs ahead of me | 00:30 |
| cjwatson | sadly, my child is going to wake up in fewer hours than I need sleep | 00:30 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: not that is any helpful. but on windows 7 it works fine | 00:30 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: Correct, not helpful | 00:31 |
| aking1012 | lolz | 00:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: enjoy the pillow | 00:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | so the device is capable | 00:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | the problem is software side | 00:31 |
| cjwatson | sure, I expected that | 00:31 |
| penguin42 | it's just the pangolin isn't precise yet | 00:31 |
| cjwatson | people brush things off as hardware problems way too quickly ... | 00:31 |
| cjwatson | penguin42: please don't do that | 00:31 |
| cjwatson | we need to squash problems quickly, not dismiss them as "oh, precise is unstable" | 00:32 |
| cjwatson | otherwise precise won't be stable | 00:32 |
| penguin42 | cjwatson: Oh sorry, I didn't mean it in a derogatory way - just things always have stuff that needs fixing while it's in dev | 00:32 |
| cjwatson | there is no reason why partitioning should be broken right now, therefore it needs to be investigated properly | 00:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: for a reason I'm running it on bare metal | 00:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | filing bugs of what I can | 00:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | doing clean installs | 00:33 |
| cjwatson | absolutely | 00:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: I actually assumed partman being broken was known or expected at this time | 00:34 |
| FernandoMiguel | fail on me , since I know very well not to expect devs to know about MY bugs | 00:34 |
| FernandoMiguel | I guess having such a bad time with 11.10 and a dead laptop, and a non working one, made me stop caring for a while | 00:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | I even installed Fedora 16 on this new laptop.... but it sucks even more | 00:35 |
| aking1012 | awww | 00:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | so here I am back to ubuntu +1 winning | 00:35 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: Out of interest, did you return the vaio? | 00:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: I did | 00:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | lovely machine, very light, very fast | 00:36 |
| penguin42 | ...pity it didn't work | 00:36 |
| aking1012 | my only issue was that i had to resize partitions...after a default side-by-side install. the logs for the bug report might be lacking if i have to delete and reinstall to replicate | 00:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | it was an i3 and seemed faster than this dell with a i5 | 00:36 |
| cjwatson | FernandoMiguel: totally not expected at this time | 00:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | aking1012: it happened to me 3 times | 00:36 |
| cjwatson | I just tried today's daily in kvm with a blank disk; it allowed me to select ext2 just fine | 00:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | two cd (usb) isos and one DVD | 00:37 |
| FernandoMiguel | the 19th | 00:37 |
| cjwatson | aking1012: why not attach the logs from the install you did? | 00:37 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: we can't install it... now way to go forward | 00:37 |
| FernandoMiguel | we get stuck at picking partitions | 00:37 |
| cjwatson | FernandoMiguel: so I need a way that I can reproduce this | 00:37 |
| FernandoMiguel | let me try in virtual box | 00:38 |
| aking1012 | yeah, that's the issue. it works fine as long as you do a vanilla install... and cjwatson:i probably will. any particular output you would find most useful? | 00:38 |
| cjwatson | the single best way to get me to fix installer bugs is to clearly describe a way I can reproduce them in a virtual environment | 00:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | I'm doing a Manual config, 2GB /boot in ext2 and remaining logical, with one ext4 for / | 00:38 |
| cjwatson | aking1012: /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman (from an existing install) | 00:38 |
| cjwatson | I do not need or want any logs other than that | 00:38 |
| aking1012 | cjwatson: will do | 00:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | installing VB now | 00:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | still have the pendrive I used | 00:39 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: I suspect that because you managed an install with the alternate the problem may not be reproducable any more even on the full machine, but it might be worth a go | 00:39 |
| penguin42 | (the alternate having changed the part table) | 00:39 |
| FernandoMiguel | penguin42: ill do it in a VM | 00:40 |
| cjwatson | depends very much on the cause; over eight years of debugging partitioning problems I've learned that it's unwise to prejudge causes | 00:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | if I can reproduce there, it should be easy to mimic | 00:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | if it fails to happen there, then its somewhat HW related | 00:40 |
| cjwatson | no | 00:40 |
| cjwatson | that's not a valid inference | 00:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | I still have a partition free, and can try there if need be | 00:40 |
| cjwatson | I can't remember the last time I encountered a partitining bug that was truly a hardware bug | 00:41 |
| cjwatson | *partitioning | 00:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 00:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | google-talkplugin: Depends: ia32-libs (>= 2.4) but it is not going to be installed. | 00:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | Depends: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed. | 00:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | bah...... stupid dependencies | 00:41 |
| cjwatson | google-talkplugin:i386 might work better | 00:41 |
| cjwatson | ia32-libs => zombie, quicker it dies the better | 00:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | humm | 00:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | you mean I can install the 32bits version and it will work? | 00:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | so that's why we see all those packages :i386 | 00:42 |
| cjwatson | that is the intent, as of 11.10 | 00:43 |
| penguin42 | FernandoMiguel: That's the wonders of multiarch! | 00:43 |
| cjwatson | ia32-libs was a festering nightmare | 00:43 |
| FernandoMiguel | I know | 00:43 |
| penguin42 | nod | 00:43 |
| FernandoMiguel | $ sudo aptitude purge google-talkplugin | 00:43 |
| cjwatson | if there are problems with doing it the multiarch way we will fix them | 00:43 |
| FernandoMiguel | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-talkplugin:i386: | 00:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | google-talkplugin:i386 depends on libv4l-0. | 00:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | dpkg: error processing google-talkplugin:i386 (--install): | 00:44 |
| FernandoMiguel | doh | 00:44 |
| cjwatson | OK, so v4l-utils hasn't been multiarched yet | 00:45 |
| FernandoMiguel | - google-talkplugin: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed. or | 00:45 |
| cjwatson | that's fixable for 12.04, I suggest filing a bug on it and tagging it multiarch | 00:45 |
| FernandoMiguel | bah | 00:45 |
| FernandoMiguel | will do | 00:45 |
| cjwatson | if people were relying on ia32-libs for google-talkplugin then we need to ensure that all its dependencies are converted | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | libgl1-mesa-glx, on the other hand, *has* been multiarched; so that's probably just apt giving up at the first level of problems | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | $ apt-cache show libgl1-mesa-glx | grep ^Multi-Arch: | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | Multi-Arch: same | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | hm, wait | 00:46 |
| cjwatson | libv4l-0 *has* been multiarched | 00:47 |
| cjwatson | $ apt-cache show libv4l-0 | grep ^Multi-Arch: | 00:47 |
| cjwatson | Multi-Arch: same | 00:47 |
| * FernandoMiguel stops filling bug | 00:47 | |
| cjwatson | what does 'sudo apt-get install libv4l-0:i386' say? | 00:47 |
| FernandoMiguel | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: | 00:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 00:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | google-talkplugin:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 but it is not going to be installed or | 00:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | libgl1:i386 | 00:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | libv4l-0:i386 : Depends: libv4lconvert0:i386 (= 0.8.5-6ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 00:48 |
| FernandoMiguel | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). | 00:48 |
| cjwatson | (aptitude has known problems with multiarch; I don't remember whether that's just its UI or whether it's the resolver too) | 00:48 |
| cjwatson | so now add 'libv4lconvert0:i386' to that command line | 00:48 |
| * FernandoMiguel <3s aptitude (over apt-get) | 00:48 | |
| cjwatson | you're welcome to, but it's known not to work | 00:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | any bug I can track about that? | 00:49 |
| cjwatson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768 at least | 00:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu Oneiric) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled" [High,Triaged] | 00:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | AHH | 00:50 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: its not the archive archs | 00:50 |
| FernandoMiguel | its google talk plugin | 00:50 |
| cjwatson | ? | 00:50 |
| FernandoMiguel | that when installed breaks it | 00:50 |
| FernandoMiguel | if if purge the i386 version, installing libv4 works | 00:51 |
| cjwatson | that doesn't make sense to me; I don't know whether it's alcohol, or the lateness, or unclearness :) | 00:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | := | 00:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | ok | 00:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | I've purged google talk plugin | 00:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | installed v4 i386 | 00:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | let me see if talk plugin now works or if it still complains | 00:52 |
| cjwatson | please don't abbreviate package names; it is very confusing indeed | 00:52 |
| cjwatson | I guess you mean libv4l-0 | 00:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | Setting up google-talkplugin:i386 (2.5.6.0-1) ... | 00:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | and that works..... | 00:52 |
| cjwatson | there is an art to extracting good error messages from apt :) | 00:52 |
| cjwatson | ok | 00:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | humm the order of install maters | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | it should not! | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | were you still using aptitude | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | ? | 00:53 |
| FernandoMiguel | tell that to google packagers | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | no | 00:53 |
| FernandoMiguel | no, I'm using dpkg and apt-get | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | apt's behaviour is not the responsibility of the google-talkplugin packager | 00:53 |
| cjwatson | it would be silly to complain to them about it | 00:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: let me know what I can do to help track this... but now, go to bed | 00:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | I'll be here daily | 00:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | we are on similar TZs, should be easy | 00:54 |
| cjwatson | feel free to file a bug about this, but make sure it has a complete transcript of everything you did, not a verbal description | 00:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | and I use Google+ daily , so its easy to reproduce | 00:55 |
| cjwatson | copy and paste from the console | 00:55 |
| cjwatson | anyway, yeah, sleep | 00:55 |
| cjwatson | night | 00:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | nn | 00:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | hummm the plugin isn't being detected... let me restart the browser | 00:56 |
| FernandoMiguel | anyone else on a clean install, is having stuff require ROOT password instead of user/sudo? | 00:58 |
| aking1012 | not me... | 01:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | hummmmmm | 01:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's very strange | 01:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | I've set a pass for root | 01:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | but still doesn't justify this | 01:02 |
| penguin42 | I can imagine stuff doing stuff differently if it found that a root password had been set - not sure if that's true though | 01:10 |
| FernandoMiguel | let me disable root | 01:14 |
| FernandoMiguel | no go | 01:15 |
| FernandoMiguel | what's pkexecs? | 01:16 |
| * penguin42 guesses related to package-kit ? | 01:16 | |
| penguin42 | oh no | 01:17 |
| penguin42 | ah, PolicyKit | 01:17 |
| FernandoMiguel | :\ | 01:17 |
| bjsnider | yes, i think policykit was just introduced | 01:18 |
| bjsnider | which means possibly all of that extra-security that makes fedora so much fun to quit | 01:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | so why am I the only one hitting this ? | 01:19 |
| FernandoMiguel | bjsnider: stop that rantting........ | 01:19 |
| bjsnider | i ♥ my fedora-using cousins | 01:21 |
| FernandoMiguel | so, what can I do to check if this is a PK bug? | 01:25 |
| bjsnider | i wonder if you can turn pk off for a session | 01:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | I guess that why even the livecd asks for "password" on popups for super user | 01:34 |
| aking1012 | on the livecd just hit enter | 01:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | fuuuu | 01:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | can't reproduce the bug with VB, aking1012 :\ | 01:40 |
| aking1012 | it's okay...just an oddity i experienced | 01:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | but I did it 3 times | 01:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | :\ | 01:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | must be something on my SSD | 01:52 |
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| FernandoMiguel | nity nite | 03:50 |
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| tsousa | the next version of ubuntu will have 3.1.x series? | 11:28 |
| sagaci_ | tsousa: 3.2 kernel - if that's what you're referring to | 11:31 |
| tsousa | i have some problems with the current version 3.0.x . i get some kernel panics with wpa_supplicant | 11:32 |
| tsousa | and that problem is fixed in 3.1.x series | 11:32 |
| iceroot | tsousa: you are not talking about the rt2800pci wifi-panics? | 11:35 |
| tsousa | yes | 11:35 |
| tsousa | rt61 | 11:35 |
| iceroot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 869502 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel-Panic with 3.0.0.12-generic on asus eee pcs and msi wind (both using rt2800 wifi chipset)" [High,Confirmed] | 11:35 |
| iceroot | its not fixed in 3.2 | 11:36 |
| iceroot | or in any other 3.x kernel | 11:36 |
| tsousa | so no solution? | 11:37 |
| iceroot | but there is a patch now which needs testing | 11:37 |
| tsousa | iceroot, can you give me the patch or the link? | 11:37 |
| iceroot | tsousa: install the wifi-driver from the ra-website or use 2.6.38. that are the solutions now | 11:37 |
| Ian_Corne | iceroot: I never seem to get it when my laptop is fully charged and I'm on AC | 11:38 |
| iceroot | tsousa: here is the patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502/comments/108 | 11:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 869502 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel-Panic with 3.0.0.12-generic on asus eee pcs and msi wind (both using rt2800 wifi chipset)" [High,Confirmed] | 11:38 |
| tsousa | iceroot, in the patch it says rt2800pci but i have an rt61 it will work as well? | 11:40 |
| iceroot | tsousa: rt2800pci does not mean the wifi-chip, it means the kernel-module | 11:41 |
| iceroot | lsmod should show rt2800pci | 11:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | here's a nice bootchart http://fernandomiguel.net/now-compare-this-ubuntu-1204-bootchart-8sec-w | 13:13 |
| FernandoMiguel | http://fernandomiguel.net/for-future-reference-here-is-fedora-16-bootch | 13:13 |
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| bluefoxicy | April right? | 13:31 |
| bluefoxicy | Need next version, Gnome-shell crashes too much on current :| I googled it and got results "Unity crashes a hell of a lot still" lol... anything using 3D and compositing falls apart... | 13:31 |
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| BluesKaj | Howdy all | 13:40 |
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| FernandoMiguel | what's the procedure to file bugs on multi arch support? | 14:53 |
| FernandoMiguel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/892778 | 15:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 892778 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "teamviewer6 support of multi arch" [Undecided,New] | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | FernandoMiguel: file bug on the packages that need to be fixed (not ia32-libs), tag it multiarch (not multi-arch) | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | I've fixed the tag and will add bug tasks on the appropriate packages for you | 16:03 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: thanks. sorry for the mistakes. | 16:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | but since this are packages outside the repos, it's on the depenencies ? | 16:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: also, I could not reproduce my partman bug on a VM.... ill try on liveusb later and open a bug report with the logs | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | please rephrase the last but one thing you said; I did not understand it | 16:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: but since this are packages outside the repos (team viewer, google-talkplugin,skype,etc) , should we file the bugs on the dependencies that aren't yet properly working ? | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | yes, assuming that you can accurately work out which they are :-) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | using dpkg -i is not a good guide because dpkg does not resolve dependencies | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | (this is true whether you're looking at multiarch or not) | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | if you really don't know you can file it on no package (i.e. just Ubuntu) and tag it multiarch | 16:11 |
| FernandoMiguel | thanks | 16:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | will try to do my best | 16:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | can anyone point me where do I set compiz as my WM instead of metacity in gnome-fallback ? | 16:14 |
| FernandoMiguel | having to start it manually on each login is dumb | 16:14 |
| FernandoMiguel | also if anyone can point me on how to trace how to get the internal 3G (soft?) modem this Dell laptop is supposed to have, I would appreciate! dell support assures me it is present... but neither win7, fedora or ubuntu seems to "see" it :\ | 16:17 |
| zniavre | FernandoMiguel, im using fusion-icon to start compiz | 16:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | zniavre: fusion-icon is poisen | 16:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | has been since 7.04 | 16:42 |
| FernandoMiguel | alias compizC='DISPLAY=:0 compiz --reload &' | 16:42 |
| Ryan_Reynolds | hey anyone got any screenshots of 12.xx? | 17:18 |
| Ryan_Reynolds | also can someone ask ocean why he decided to ban me for asking how to get the nvidia-current driver enabled and in use? | 17:28 |
| Ryan_Reynolds | afaik, this is a legit problem | 17:28 |
| oCean | Ryan_Reynolds: you can discuss your removal in #ubuntu-ops, not here | 17:28 |
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| bjsnider | FernandoMiguel, gnome-session-fallback has a terminal disease | 18:53 |
| bjsnider | it's being removed now that gnome-shell can be run without opengl hardware | 18:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | oh boy | 18:55 |
| FernandoMiguel | shall I leave ubuntu now? | 18:55 |
| bjsnider | it's not an ubuntu issue | 18:56 |
| ior3k | FernandoMiguel: you know, I was using xmonad + unity 2d until about a week ago | 18:56 |
| bjsnider | sooner or later, the choices are going to be: kde, gnome-shell, unity, or some old-style thing like xfce | 18:56 |
| ior3k | I'm not sure what your reasons for sticking with gnome-session-fallback are | 18:56 |
| ior3k | but if you haven't already, do try unity | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | ior3k: I did | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | for a few days | 18:57 |
| bjsnider | so it would be better to get used to one of the advanced ones, ie. unity or gnome-shell, now | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | and have another laptop with it | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | I just can use it | 18:57 |
| ior3k | FernandoMiguel: what don't you like about it? | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | it auto hides, it merges windows, not app bar visible | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | BLERG | 18:57 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's not ranting | 18:57 |
| ior3k | not sure what you mean by merging windows, but you can make the launcher be always visible | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | its just I like many things of gnome 2 | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | ior3k: when you alt tab between them | 18:58 |
| bjsnider | there are extensions to make gnome-shell operate more like gnome 2 | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | if you have two browser open, it shows only one, then expands on mouse over or timeouts | 18:58 |
| BluesKaj | well, so far kde is more stable on 12.04 than 11.10 on my setup at least ...had a small freeze yestrday but otherwise the desktop seems ok | 18:58 |
| ior3k | FernandoMiguel: you can disable the unity switcher | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | and requires mouse to pick one | 18:58 |
| ior3k | I'm using compiz's static switcher | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | I hate mice! | 18:58 |
| ior3k | and I don't even touch the mouse | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | ior3k: ill try that | 18:58 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's my main complain | 18:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | the other is the auto hide | 18:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | I have enough screen space | 18:59 |
| ior3k | auto hide of the launcher? | 18:59 |
| ior3k | you can disable that too | 18:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | where? | 18:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | AFAIK we couldn't | 18:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | if I can work those too, I might give it a go, again | 19:00 |
| ior3k | in ccsm -> unity -> behaviour -> hide launcher -> never | 19:00 |
| bjsnider | FernandoMiguel, there are extensions to bring back the bottom panel, add the menus, add the workspace switcher, etc. for gnome-shell. this makes it look and behave quite a lot like gnome 2 | 19:00 |
| * BluesKaj wonders what's so wonderful about keyboard only use . | 19:00 | |
| ior3k | BluesKaj: personal preference, that's actually something that's wonderful about mankind: diversity ;) | 19:01 |
| FernandoMiguel | bjsnider: I haven't used the gnome-menus ever since I started using gnome-do | 19:02 |
| BluesKaj | mankind , diversity ?..wow ..it's just abloody mouse :) | 19:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | around 7.10 | 19:02 |
| bjsnider | then i don't see what the problem is | 19:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | BluesKaj: carpel tunel | 19:02 |
| BluesKaj | FernandoMiguel, then a KB is probly worse | 19:03 |
| aj00200 | FernandoMiguel: actually, research shows that computer usage isn't associated with carpel tunel | 19:03 |
| FernandoMiguel | LOLOL | 19:03 |
| FernandoMiguel | aj00200: would love to read that | 19:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | BluesKaj: depends on how you use it | 19:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | I rest my palms a lot | 19:04 |
| FernandoMiguel | but mouse is way more repetitive | 19:04 |
| aj00200 | FernandoMiguel: I wish I had it but I was told that by a personal friend who happens to be a hand-specialized doctor | 19:04 |
| BluesKaj | FernandoMiguel, bah humbug ... | 19:04 |
| BluesKaj | depends on how you use it ? that's a cop-out if i ever heard one | 19:05 |
| FernandoMiguel | shame... spent 2h making sure compiz was just how I like it | 19:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | and now ill have to redo everything on unity | 19:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | is there a even dev version of unity ? | 19:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | running stable isn't for me | 19:07 |
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| bjsnider | FernandoMiguel, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/155923 | 19:24 |
| FernandoMiguel | RH? lol | 19:27 |
| FernandoMiguel | ok, putting WM question asside | 19:28 |
| FernandoMiguel | anyone here has any expertise in power management? | 19:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's a shame to see a 9h+ battery last <3h :( | 19:29 |
| bjsnider | at least it's getting a workout | 19:29 |
| FernandoMiguel | what is ? | 19:30 |
| bjsnider | this might be a temporary thing because i think there are new patches for the kernel to make it handle power more like the windows kernel | 19:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | humm 3.2 ? | 19:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | Linux Bostro 3.1.0-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 29 00:48:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 19:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | wasn't 3.2 uploaded ? | 19:33 |
| FernandoMiguel | I've been running i7z to see how the CPU handles it | 19:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | but it seems to be doing it's job well | 19:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | I have no idea where all the energy is going | 19:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | that and why bright always defaults to max on any power change.... even if its set to be at 50% :\ | 19:36 |
| bjsnider | the patch was introduced and applied to linux-next on the 11th | 19:37 |
| bjsnider | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467 | 19:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | let me grab a kernel from the PPA then | 19:38 |
| FernandoMiguel | humm they are all for oneiric | 19:40 |
| FernandoMiguel | daily has it | 19:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | Matthew Garrett (2): The Windows driver .inf disables ASPM on all cciss devices. Do the same. [SCSI] hpsa: Disable ASPM | 19:41 |
| FernandoMiguel | rebooting to kernel 3.2.0-999 | 19:45 |
| bjsnider | cool | 19:49 |
| bjsnider | i'd like to know how well it works myself | 19:49 |
| FernandoMiguel | will do | 19:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | and | 19:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | thanks. really, thanks a lot! you guys (and you know who you are) are the thing that keep me in Ubuntu | 19:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | time my reboot :) | 19:56 |
| FernandoMiguel | no wifi with this kernel | 19:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | FAIL | 19:59 |
| FernandoMiguel | and got hit by the terrible password popup bug :\ need to file that, but no idea where | 20:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | open anything that wants to unlock the keychain, and run something that will put a popup, like gnome-do | 20:01 |
| FernandoMiguel | the screen locks | 20:01 |
| FernandoMiguel | without wifi I'm sure it saves battery :P | 20:03 |
| FernandoMiguel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892855 | 20:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 892855 in v4l-utils (Ubuntu) "better multiarch support for google-talkplugin:i386" [Undecided,New] | 20:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: hope that's good | 20:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892857 | 20:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 892857 in v4l-utils (Ubuntu) "better multiarch support for google-talkplugin_current_amd64" [Undecided,New] | 20:14 |
| micahg | FernandoMiguel: the only package that might actually need porting in that list is v4l-utils if it hasn't been converted to multiarch yet. otherwise, dpkg just needs to be a little smarter about -i installs to pull in deps | 20:19 |
| micahg | FernandoMiguel: also, you should just install the 32 bit version since the 64 bit version is just a wrapper | 20:20 |
| FernandoMiguel | micahg: if I use the 32bits version, chrome won't "see" it | 20:26 |
| FernandoMiguel | stupid question (I deserve it too): how do I use apt-get to install local files, as I do with dpkg ? | 20:26 |
| micahg | FernandoMiguel: I'm not sure how to make apt-get install local files, in the past I've done dpkg -i, then run aptitude, but there's probably a better way | 20:32 |
| FernandoMiguel | so I'm not doing the right way, but there isn't a better way :) | 20:34 |
| micahg | FernandoMiguel: so, nspluginwrapper doesn't work on chrome plugins? | 20:35 |
| * micahg guesses not | 20:35 | |
| FernandoMiguel | micahg: I don't think I have that installed | 20:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | nspluginwrapper: | 20:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | Installed: (none) | 20:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | Candidate: 1.4.4-0ubuntu3 | 20:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/744705/ | 20:59 |
| micahg | FernandoMiguel: you can try installing those packages manually | 21:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | both 32 and 64bits packages don't work | 21:00 |
| micahg | FernandoMiguel: it still might not work though | 21:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | :\ | 21:00 |
| FernandoMiguel | grabbing some food, back to older kernel, and testing unity | 21:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | bbl | 21:02 |
| FernandoMiguel | running the risk of none ever talking to me: | 21:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | using Unity + Compiz! | 21:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | and it works for me! (assuming compiz doesn't crash a lot, which it does) | 21:51 |
| FernandoMiguel | got the launcher stuck there... still no way to start compiz without it crashing | 21:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | it has the nasty habit of reseting settings, so I lost all changes I had since I moved to unity | 21:52 |
| FernandoMiguel | pum... one more.... meh | 21:54 |
| cjwatson | FernandoMiguel: please stop reporting bugs based on the output of 'dpkg -i' - as Steve says, it's useless | 22:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | :) | 22:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | :( | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | I thought I'd made that clear earlier. dpkg does NOT resolve dependencies | 22:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | then how do I install this debs? | 22:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's the only way I know | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | install it from a repository using apt-get | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | presumably you downloaded it from somewhere | 22:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | I've installed all other depencies I could | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | failing that, gdebi may work | 22:06 |
| FernandoMiguel | but still hitting ia32 | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | sure, that's not my point | 22:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | it's a download deb.. not repo | 22:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | talk.google.com | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | my point is that the output of dpkg -i saying unresolved dependencies does not constitute a bug report | 22:07 |
| FernandoMiguel | cjwatson: does this ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/744771/ | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | no, it does not | 22:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | let me try gdebi | 22:08 |
| cjwatson | gdebi can be used to install local debs resolving dependencies; I'm not certain about its status with respect to multiarch | 22:08 |
| micahg | perhaps software center can now install debs as well? | 22:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | who do I fire it up with a deb? | 22:08 |
| FernandoMiguel | double click? | 22:09 |
| cjwatson | 'gdebi whatever.deb' | 22:09 |
| bjsnider | software center handles debs now | 22:09 |
| bjsnider | that shuld launch if you doulbe-click one | 22:09 |
| FernandoMiguel | sudo gdebi google-talkplugin_current_amd64.deb | 22:09 |
| FernandoMiguel | This package is uninstallable | 22:09 |
| FernandoMiguel | Cannot install 'ia32-libs' | 22:09 |
| * FernandoMiguel head desk | 22:09 | |
| cjwatson | right. I didn't say it would work, but at least now the output is less misleading | 22:10 |
| cjwatson | that demonstrates that the eglibc and gcc-4.6 tasks you created are invalid | 22:10 |
| FernandoMiguel | so we depreceate ia32 for multiarch before MA being ready | 22:10 |
| cjwatson | no! | 22:10 |
| bjsnider | that package is uninstallable on precise at the moment | 22:10 |
| cjwatson | it looks like this is actually a rare case where it's a problem with the third-party package, judging from what Steve said to you in the bug report, so I have to take back what I said earlier as Steve is the expert on this | 22:11 |
| cjwatson | but we only deprecated ia32-libs once multiarch was in general ready to replace it; there are certainly going to be a few cases where it doesn't quite work yet | 22:11 |
| FernandoMiguel | can we ping steve here and try to reach a concence ? | 22:11 |
| cjwatson | you can try although I think he's on holiday | 22:11 |
| micahg | there was a request to file bugs for libraries that still need to be multiarched | 22:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | okay, what can I do now? | 22:12 |
| cjwatson | micahg: right, but nothing of what FernandoMiguel has reported indicates that | 22:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | wanna stop filling useless bug | 22:12 |
| micahg | right | 22:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | but wanna see this fixed as soon as possible | 22:12 |
| cjwatson | FernandoMiguel: leave your most recent bug alone for now and let's let Steve have an opportunity to respond to it | 22:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | I will | 22:12 |
| FernandoMiguel | should I add the gdebi output ? | 22:13 |
| cjwatson | perhaps, although the dependency on ia32-libs is fairly damning in itself :) | 22:13 |
| cjwatson | I just wanted to stem the flow of reports with dpkg output | 22:13 |
| * cjwatson goes back to attempting to deal with the handful of issues blocking a multiarch crossgrade of my laptop | 22:14 | |
| FernandoMiguel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/892857/comments/2 | 22:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 892857 in v4l-utils (Ubuntu) "better multiarch support for google-talkplugin_current_amd64" [Undecided,New] | 22:14 |
| FernandoMiguel | bjsnider: should I file a bug for the daily kernel not supporting my wifi card? | 22:15 |
| FernandoMiguel | archive 3.2 works fine.... using it right now | 22:15 |
| lan3y | is this the place to ask about a gpu issue? im running 12.04 and no one is replying in main channel | 22:15 |
| FernandoMiguel | lan3y: it's the prefered, yes | 22:16 |
| FernandoMiguel | or #ubuntu-x on week days.... but they will ignore you the same | 22:16 |
| cjwatson | well, uh, the real GPU experts are on #ubuntu-x not here | 22:16 |
| lan3y | i have one of those silly hybrid setups with intel hd/ati radeon, need some help with it | 22:16 |
| lan3y | ok ill go there :D | 22:17 |
| cjwatson | patience is always a virtue of course | 22:17 |
| FernandoMiguel | lan3y: as in turnin one off? | 22:17 |
| FernandoMiguel | don't bother | 22:17 |
| FernandoMiguel | use the pulso util | 22:17 |
| lan3y | i'd just like to run the radeon all the time | 22:18 |
| FernandoMiguel | ahahaha | 22:18 |
| FernandoMiguel | you are just crazy | 22:18 |
| FernandoMiguel | but you can | 22:18 |
| lan3y | at the moment i just have xorg-server-video-ati installed and hoping for the best | 22:20 |
| lan3y | but anyways that can wait, anything you guys need help with testing? | 22:22 |
| FernandoMiguel | humm can't find the link lan3y | 22:22 |
| bjsnider | lan3y, do you have a switch to turn off one of the chips? | 22:22 |
| lan3y | closest to a switch is in bios the option for "intel" or both | 22:23 |
| bjsnider | you cannot run radeon all the time then | 22:23 |
| bjsnider | you can run intel all the time | 22:23 |
| bjsnider | which is probably what you should do | 22:23 |
| lan3y | ok, back in a min, going to change the bios setting | 22:24 |
| bjsnider | i'm sure linux will have good hybrid support in about 13 years | 22:25 |
| FernandoMiguel | LOLOLOL | 22:25 |
| lan3y | sorted | 22:27 |
| lan3y | not on switch-able anymore so shouldn't confuse ubuntu | 22:28 |
| Daekdroom | bjsnider, I think whatever hybrid support they're working on now will be deprecated in 13 years | 22:28 |
| bjsnider | i'm just being pessimistic because we still have to solve the 6000 other graphics problems on linux first | 22:29 |
| lan3y | made the laptop cooler running single gpu anyways | 22:31 |
| bjsnider | i'm also conflating xrg problem and mesa/opengl problems, but it's all rock n roll to me | 22:31 |
| FernandoMiguel | reply from Steve: The package will continue to exist in precise, but is being restructured as | 22:35 |
| FernandoMiguel | is currently not installable. You can still install ia32-libs in 11.10. | 22:35 |
| lan3y | what's this for? | 22:36 |
| FernandoMiguel | lan3y: my ia32libs bug | 22:37 |
| lan3y | ah ok | 22:37 |
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