[00:01] BBL, stuff to do [00:04] hummm [00:04] can't seem to pass sound along via HDMI to my TV [00:04] :\ [00:10] you have to use the audio applet and change the output device to hdmi [00:10] and then fight with the config on your tv [00:11] bjsnider: it doesn't create TWO devices [00:11] only internal device [00:11] what video card? [00:11] sandybridge [00:11] so all sound *EITHER* is on laptop speaker OR on TV [00:11] it used to be able to pick each per app [00:12] I can change the profile [00:12] but that will send the entire thing to ONE place only [00:12] :\ [00:12] and now bright died... oh joy [00:14] filing a bug on pulse [00:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/892642 [00:18] Launchpad bug 892642 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "both hdmi and internal speakers are just one" [Undecided,New] [00:19] FernandoMiguel: What does it show up as in Alsa? is there one entry in /proc/asound/cards or two? [00:19] 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH [00:19] HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7f00000 irq 50 [00:20] penguin42: ^^^^ [00:20] then in that case I say it's not PA's fault [00:20] :) [00:20] :( [00:20] it's the intel codec? [00:20] although you might look if it's got multiple separate channels [00:22] penguin42: teach me, master [00:22] penguin42: I think so but I don't know enough to know if it can do separate independent channels on one card [00:23] erk I must be tired, speaking to myself [00:24] aking1012: thanks for mentioning that, but bugs reported on IRC will be forgotten - could you file it in Launchpad (debian-installer package in Ubuntu) with logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman), please? [00:25] cjwatson: aking1012 yeah I can confirm that daily images won't install [00:25] partman bug somewhere [00:25] both last 3 dailys cds and dvd [00:26] ok, first I've heard of it [00:26] alternate or desktop [00:26] ? [00:26] yeah will do [00:26] cjwatson: desktop [00:26] alternate worked [00:26] alternate for me, but it may be present on desktop...alternate installed a full desktop package for me [00:26] I installed desktop yesterday; it was fine [00:26] cjwatson: really? [00:27] I tried last 3 dailies [00:27] no, I made it up just to mess with you [00:27] yes, really [00:27] * penguin42 guesses dependent on hardware or existing partitioning [00:27] all would not show any options to assign partitions [00:27] logs [00:27] didn't take any [00:27] many things in this area are dependent on existing partitioning, yes [00:27] full disk wipe [00:27] or very occasionally on hardware [00:27] 64 GBs SSD [00:28] logs are an order of magnitude more helpful than verbal descriptions [00:28] okay [00:28] ill try again [00:28] thanks [00:28] i got SEVERE weirdness...like wouldn't even let me specify mountpoints for existing formatted partitions or specify whether i should format or not [00:28] aking1012: yeah, that what I got [00:28] I'm happy to look at this, but I need detailed logs [00:29] ohh I have another fine one on alternate: it won't let me pick ext2 [00:29] (and possibly not right now, it's 12:30am) [00:29] cjwatson: here too [00:29] night is still a child [00:30] you guys are 4 hrs ahead of me [00:30] sadly, my child is going to wake up in fewer hours than I need sleep [00:30] penguin42: not that is any helpful. but on windows 7 it works fine [00:31] FernandoMiguel: Correct, not helpful [00:31] lolz [00:31] cjwatson: enjoy the pillow [00:31] so the device is capable [00:31] the problem is software side [00:31] sure, I expected that [00:31] it's just the pangolin isn't precise yet [00:31] people brush things off as hardware problems way too quickly ... [00:31] penguin42: please don't do that [00:32] we need to squash problems quickly, not dismiss them as "oh, precise is unstable" [00:32] otherwise precise won't be stable [00:32] cjwatson: Oh sorry, I didn't mean it in a derogatory way - just things always have stuff that needs fixing while it's in dev [00:32] there is no reason why partitioning should be broken right now, therefore it needs to be investigated properly [00:32] cjwatson: for a reason I'm running it on bare metal [00:33] filing bugs of what I can [00:33] doing clean installs [00:33] absolutely [00:34] cjwatson: I actually assumed partman being broken was known or expected at this time [00:34] fail on me , since I know very well not to expect devs to know about MY bugs [00:35] I guess having such a bad time with 11.10 and a dead laptop, and a non working one, made me stop caring for a while [00:35] I even installed Fedora 16 on this new laptop.... but it sucks even more [00:35] awww [00:35] so here I am back to ubuntu +1 winning [00:35] FernandoMiguel: Out of interest, did you return the vaio? [00:35] penguin42: I did [00:36] lovely machine, very light, very fast [00:36] ...pity it didn't work [00:36] my only issue was that i had to resize partitions...after a default side-by-side install. the logs for the bug report might be lacking if i have to delete and reinstall to replicate [00:36] it was an i3 and seemed faster than this dell with a i5 [00:36] FernandoMiguel: totally not expected at this time [00:36] aking1012: it happened to me 3 times [00:36] I just tried today's daily in kvm with a blank disk; it allowed me to select ext2 just fine [00:37] two cd (usb) isos and one DVD [00:37] the 19th [00:37] aking1012: why not attach the logs from the install you did? [00:37] cjwatson: we can't install it... now way to go forward [00:37] we get stuck at picking partitions [00:37] FernandoMiguel: so I need a way that I can reproduce this [00:38] let me try in virtual box [00:38] yeah, that's the issue. it works fine as long as you do a vanilla install... and cjwatson:i probably will. any particular output you would find most useful? [00:38] the single best way to get me to fix installer bugs is to clearly describe a way I can reproduce them in a virtual environment [00:38] I'm doing a Manual config, 2GB /boot in ext2 and remaining logical, with one ext4 for / [00:38] aking1012: /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman (from an existing install) [00:38] I do not need or want any logs other than that [00:38] cjwatson: will do [00:38] installing VB now [00:39] still have the pendrive I used [00:39] FernandoMiguel: I suspect that because you managed an install with the alternate the problem may not be reproducable any more even on the full machine, but it might be worth a go [00:39] (the alternate having changed the part table) [00:40] penguin42: ill do it in a VM [00:40] depends very much on the cause; over eight years of debugging partitioning problems I've learned that it's unwise to prejudge causes [00:40] if I can reproduce there, it should be easy to mimic [00:40] if it fails to happen there, then its somewhat HW related [00:40] no [00:40] that's not a valid inference [00:40] I still have a partition free, and can try there if need be [00:41] I can't remember the last time I encountered a partitining bug that was truly a hardware bug [00:41] *partitioning [00:41] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [00:41] google-talkplugin: Depends: ia32-libs (>= 2.4) but it is not going to be installed. [00:41] Depends: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed. [00:41] bah...... stupid dependencies [00:41] google-talkplugin:i386 might work better [00:42] ia32-libs => zombie, quicker it dies the better [00:42] humm [00:42] you mean I can install the 32bits version and it will work? [00:42] so that's why we see all those packages :i386 [00:43] that is the intent, as of 11.10 [00:43] FernandoMiguel: That's the wonders of multiarch! [00:43] ia32-libs was a festering nightmare [00:43] I know [00:43] nod [00:43] $ sudo aptitude purge google-talkplugin [00:43] if there are problems with doing it the multiarch way we will fix them [00:44] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-talkplugin:i386: [00:44] google-talkplugin:i386 depends on libv4l-0. [00:44] dpkg: error processing google-talkplugin:i386 (--install): [00:44] doh [00:45] OK, so v4l-utils hasn't been multiarched yet [00:45] - google-talkplugin: Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx but it is not going to be installed. or [00:45] that's fixable for 12.04, I suggest filing a bug on it and tagging it multiarch [00:45] bah [00:45] will do [00:46] if people were relying on ia32-libs for google-talkplugin then we need to ensure that all its dependencies are converted [00:46] libgl1-mesa-glx, on the other hand, *has* been multiarched; so that's probably just apt giving up at the first level of problems [00:46] $ apt-cache show libgl1-mesa-glx | grep ^Multi-Arch: [00:46] Multi-Arch: same [00:46] hm, wait [00:47] libv4l-0 *has* been multiarched [00:47] $ apt-cache show libv4l-0 | grep ^Multi-Arch: [00:47] Multi-Arch: same [00:47] * FernandoMiguel stops filling bug [00:47] what does 'sudo apt-get install libv4l-0:i386' say? [00:48] You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: [00:48] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [00:48] google-talkplugin:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 but it is not going to be installed or [00:48] libgl1:i386 [00:48] libv4l-0:i386 : Depends: libv4lconvert0:i386 (= 0.8.5-6ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed [00:48] E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). [00:48] (aptitude has known problems with multiarch; I don't remember whether that's just its UI or whether it's the resolver too) [00:48] so now add 'libv4lconvert0:i386' to that command line [00:48] * FernandoMiguel <3s aptitude (over apt-get) [00:49] you're welcome to, but it's known not to work [00:49] any bug I can track about that? [00:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768 at least [00:49] Launchpad bug 831768 in aptitude (Ubuntu Oneiric) "aptitude cannot handle conflicts with multiarch enabled" [High,Triaged] [00:50] AHH [00:50] cjwatson: its not the archive archs [00:50] its google talk plugin [00:50] ? [00:50] that when installed breaks it [00:51] if if purge the i386 version, installing libv4 works [00:51] that doesn't make sense to me; I don't know whether it's alcohol, or the lateness, or unclearness :) [00:51] := [00:51] ok [00:52] I've purged google talk plugin [00:52] installed v4 i386 [00:52] let me see if talk plugin now works or if it still complains [00:52] please don't abbreviate package names; it is very confusing indeed [00:52] I guess you mean libv4l-0 [00:52] Setting up google-talkplugin:i386 (2.5.6.0-1) ... [00:52] and that works..... [00:52] there is an art to extracting good error messages from apt :) [00:52] ok [00:53] humm the order of install maters [00:53] it should not! [00:53] were you still using aptitude [00:53] ? [00:53] tell that to google packagers [00:53] no [00:53] no, I'm using dpkg and apt-get [00:53] apt's behaviour is not the responsibility of the google-talkplugin packager [00:54] it would be silly to complain to them about it [00:54] cjwatson: let me know what I can do to help track this... but now, go to bed [00:54] I'll be here daily [00:54] we are on similar TZs, should be easy [00:54] feel free to file a bug about this, but make sure it has a complete transcript of everything you did, not a verbal description [00:55] and I use Google+ daily , so its easy to reproduce [00:55] copy and paste from the console [00:55] anyway, yeah, sleep [00:55] night [00:55] nn [00:56] hummm the plugin isn't being detected... let me restart the browser [00:58] anyone else on a clean install, is having stuff require ROOT password instead of user/sudo? [01:02] not me... [01:02] hummmmmm [01:02] it's very strange [01:02] I've set a pass for root [01:02] but still doesn't justify this [01:10] I can imagine stuff doing stuff differently if it found that a root password had been set - not sure if that's true though [01:14] let me disable root [01:15] no go [01:16] what's pkexecs? [01:16] * penguin42 guesses related to package-kit ? [01:17] oh no [01:17] ah, PolicyKit [01:17] :\ [01:18] yes, i think policykit was just introduced [01:19] which means possibly all of that extra-security that makes fedora so much fun to quit [01:19] so why am I the only one hitting this ? [01:19] bjsnider: stop that rantting........ [01:21] i ♥ my fedora-using cousins [01:25] so, what can I do to check if this is a PK bug? [01:27] i wonder if you can turn pk off for a session [01:34] I guess that why even the livecd asks for "password" on popups for super user [01:35] on the livecd just hit enter [01:40] fuuuu [01:40] can't reproduce the bug with VB, aking1012 :\ [01:42] it's okay...just an oddity i experienced [01:52] but I did it 3 times [01:52] :\ [01:52] must be something on my SSD === samsul is now known as samsulwebid [03:50] nity nite === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [11:28] the next version of ubuntu will have 3.1.x series? [11:31] tsousa: 3.2 kernel - if that's what you're referring to [11:32] i have some problems with the current version 3.0.x . i get some kernel panics with wpa_supplicant [11:32] and that problem is fixed in 3.1.x series [11:35] tsousa: you are not talking about the rt2800pci wifi-panics? [11:35] yes [11:35] rt61 [11:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502 [11:35] Launchpad bug 869502 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel-Panic with 3.0.0.12-generic on asus eee pcs and msi wind (both using rt2800 wifi chipset)" [High,Confirmed] [11:36] its not fixed in 3.2 [11:36] or in any other 3.x kernel [11:37] so no solution? [11:37] but there is a patch now which needs testing [11:37] iceroot, can you give me the patch or the link? [11:37] tsousa: install the wifi-driver from the ra-website or use 2.6.38. that are the solutions now [11:38] iceroot: I never seem to get it when my laptop is fully charged and I'm on AC [11:38] tsousa: here is the patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502/comments/108 [11:38] Launchpad bug 869502 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel-Panic with 3.0.0.12-generic on asus eee pcs and msi wind (both using rt2800 wifi chipset)" [High,Confirmed] [11:40] iceroot, in the patch it says rt2800pci but i have an rt61 it will work as well? [11:41] tsousa: rt2800pci does not mean the wifi-chip, it means the kernel-module [11:41] lsmod should show rt2800pci [13:13] here's a nice bootchart http://fernandomiguel.net/now-compare-this-ubuntu-1204-bootchart-8sec-w [13:13] http://fernandomiguel.net/for-future-reference-here-is-fedora-16-bootch === BaD_CrC is now known as jpyper [13:31] April right? [13:31] Need next version, Gnome-shell crashes too much on current :| I googled it and got results "Unity crashes a hell of a lot still" lol... anything using 3D and compositing falls apart... === jpyper is now known as BaD_CrC [13:40] Howdy all === _nyuszika7h_ is now known as nyuszika7h === jussi01 is now known as Guest44296 [14:53] what's the procedure to file bugs on multi arch support? [15:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/892778 [15:04] Launchpad bug 892778 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "teamviewer6 support of multi arch" [Undecided,New] [16:03] FernandoMiguel: file bug on the packages that need to be fixed (not ia32-libs), tag it multiarch (not multi-arch) [16:03] I've fixed the tag and will add bug tasks on the appropriate packages for you [16:06] cjwatson: thanks. sorry for the mistakes. [16:06] but since this are packages outside the repos, it's on the depenencies ? [16:07] cjwatson: also, I could not reproduce my partman bug on a VM.... ill try on liveusb later and open a bug report with the logs [16:07] please rephrase the last but one thing you said; I did not understand it [16:09] cjwatson: but since this are packages outside the repos (team viewer, google-talkplugin,skype,etc) , should we file the bugs on the dependencies that aren't yet properly working ? [16:10] yes, assuming that you can accurately work out which they are :-) [16:10] using dpkg -i is not a good guide because dpkg does not resolve dependencies [16:10] (this is true whether you're looking at multiarch or not) [16:11] if you really don't know you can file it on no package (i.e. just Ubuntu) and tag it multiarch [16:12] thanks [16:12] will try to do my best [16:14] can anyone point me where do I set compiz as my WM instead of metacity in gnome-fallback ? [16:14] having to start it manually on each login is dumb [16:17] also if anyone can point me on how to trace how to get the internal 3G (soft?) modem this Dell laptop is supposed to have, I would appreciate! dell support assures me it is present... but neither win7, fedora or ubuntu seems to "see" it :\ [16:41] FernandoMiguel, im using fusion-icon to start compiz [16:42] zniavre: fusion-icon is poisen [16:42] has been since 7.04 [16:42] alias compizC='DISPLAY=:0 compiz --reload &' [17:18] hey anyone got any screenshots of 12.xx? [17:28] also can someone ask ocean why he decided to ban me for asking how to get the nvidia-current driver enabled and in use? [17:28] afaik, this is a legit problem [17:28] Ryan_Reynolds: you can discuss your removal in #ubuntu-ops, not here === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [18:53] FernandoMiguel, gnome-session-fallback has a terminal disease [18:54] it's being removed now that gnome-shell can be run without opengl hardware [18:55] oh boy [18:55] shall I leave ubuntu now? [18:56] it's not an ubuntu issue [18:56] FernandoMiguel: you know, I was using xmonad + unity 2d until about a week ago [18:56] sooner or later, the choices are going to be: kde, gnome-shell, unity, or some old-style thing like xfce [18:56] I'm not sure what your reasons for sticking with gnome-session-fallback are [18:57] but if you haven't already, do try unity [18:57] ior3k: I did [18:57] for a few days [18:57] so it would be better to get used to one of the advanced ones, ie. unity or gnome-shell, now [18:57] and have another laptop with it [18:57] I just can use it [18:57] FernandoMiguel: what don't you like about it? [18:57] it auto hides, it merges windows, not app bar visible [18:57] BLERG [18:57] it's not ranting [18:58] not sure what you mean by merging windows, but you can make the launcher be always visible [18:58] its just I like many things of gnome 2 [18:58] ior3k: when you alt tab between them [18:58] there are extensions to make gnome-shell operate more like gnome 2 [18:58] if you have two browser open, it shows only one, then expands on mouse over or timeouts [18:58] well, so far kde is more stable on 12.04 than 11.10 on my setup at least ...had a small freeze yestrday but otherwise the desktop seems ok [18:58] FernandoMiguel: you can disable the unity switcher [18:58] and requires mouse to pick one [18:58] I'm using compiz's static switcher [18:58] I hate mice! [18:58] and I don't even touch the mouse [18:58] ior3k: ill try that [18:59] it's my main complain [18:59] the other is the auto hide [18:59] I have enough screen space [18:59] auto hide of the launcher? [18:59] you can disable that too [18:59] where? [18:59] AFAIK we couldn't [19:00] if I can work those too, I might give it a go, again [19:00] in ccsm -> unity -> behaviour -> hide launcher -> never [19:00] FernandoMiguel, there are extensions to bring back the bottom panel, add the menus, add the workspace switcher, etc. for gnome-shell. this makes it look and behave quite a lot like gnome 2 [19:00] * BluesKaj wonders what's so wonderful about keyboard only use . [19:01] BluesKaj: personal preference, that's actually something that's wonderful about mankind: diversity ;) [19:02] bjsnider: I haven't used the gnome-menus ever since I started using gnome-do [19:02] mankind , diversity ?..wow ..it's just abloody mouse :) [19:02] around 7.10 [19:02] then i don't see what the problem is [19:02] BluesKaj: carpel tunel [19:03] FernandoMiguel, then a KB is probly worse [19:03] FernandoMiguel: actually, research shows that computer usage isn't associated with carpel tunel [19:03] LOLOL [19:04] aj00200: would love to read that [19:04] BluesKaj: depends on how you use it [19:04] I rest my palms a lot [19:04] but mouse is way more repetitive [19:04] FernandoMiguel: I wish I had it but I was told that by a personal friend who happens to be a hand-specialized doctor [19:04] FernandoMiguel, bah humbug ... [19:05] depends on how you use it ? that's a cop-out if i ever heard one [19:06] shame... spent 2h making sure compiz was just how I like it [19:06] and now ill have to redo everything on unity [19:07] is there a even dev version of unity ? [19:07] running stable isn't for me === Logan__ is now known as Logan_ [19:24] FernandoMiguel, http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/155923 [19:27] RH? lol [19:28] ok, putting WM question asside [19:29] anyone here has any expertise in power management? [19:29] it's a shame to see a 9h+ battery last <3h :( [19:29] at least it's getting a workout [19:30] what is ? [19:32] this might be a temporary thing because i think there are new patches for the kernel to make it handle power more like the windows kernel [19:33] humm 3.2 ? [19:33] Linux Bostro 3.1.0-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 29 00:48:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [19:33] wasn't 3.2 uploaded ? [19:35] I've been running i7z to see how the CPU handles it [19:35] but it seems to be doing it's job well [19:35] I have no idea where all the energy is going [19:36] that and why bright always defaults to max on any power change.... even if its set to be at 50% :\ [19:37] the patch was introduced and applied to linux-next on the 11th [19:38] https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/10/467 [19:38] let me grab a kernel from the PPA then [19:40] humm they are all for oneiric [19:41] daily has it [19:41] Matthew Garrett (2): The Windows driver .inf disables ASPM on all cciss devices. Do the same. [SCSI] hpsa: Disable ASPM [19:45] rebooting to kernel 3.2.0-999 [19:49] cool [19:49] i'd like to know how well it works myself [19:51] will do [19:51] and [19:52] thanks. really, thanks a lot! you guys (and you know who you are) are the thing that keep me in Ubuntu [19:56] time my reboot :) [19:59] no wifi with this kernel [19:59] FAIL [20:00] and got hit by the terrible password popup bug :\ need to file that, but no idea where [20:01] open anything that wants to unlock the keychain, and run something that will put a popup, like gnome-do [20:01] the screen locks [20:03] without wifi I'm sure it saves battery :P [20:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892855 [20:07] Launchpad bug 892855 in v4l-utils (Ubuntu) "better multiarch support for google-talkplugin:i386" [Undecided,New] [20:07] cjwatson: hope that's good [20:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/892857 [20:14] Launchpad bug 892857 in v4l-utils (Ubuntu) "better multiarch support for google-talkplugin_current_amd64" [Undecided,New] [20:19] FernandoMiguel: the only package that might actually need porting in that list is v4l-utils if it hasn't been converted to multiarch yet. otherwise, dpkg just needs to be a little smarter about -i installs to pull in deps [20:20] FernandoMiguel: also, you should just install the 32 bit version since the 64 bit version is just a wrapper [20:26] micahg: if I use the 32bits version, chrome won't "see" it [20:26] stupid question (I deserve it too): how do I use apt-get to install local files, as I do with dpkg ? [20:32] FernandoMiguel: I'm not sure how to make apt-get install local files, in the past I've done dpkg -i, then run aptitude, but there's probably a better way [20:34] so I'm not doing the right way, but there isn't a better way :) [20:35] FernandoMiguel: so, nspluginwrapper doesn't work on chrome plugins? [20:35] * micahg guesses not [20:36] micahg: I don't think I have that installed [20:36] nspluginwrapper: [20:36] Installed: (none) [20:36]