[09:51] <orogor> hi here
[09:51] <orogor> i have some issue with my X11 sessions since upgrading to last ubuntu
[09:51] <orogor> i don t have any app-menu or taskbar or unity menu
[09:52] <orogor> and starting a kde session does the same thing and i have nautillus as my desktop
[09:55] <Ampelbein> orogor: "Last ubuntu"=11.10 or 12.04 (which is in alpha)
[09:58] <orogor> 11.10
[09:58] <orogor> actually i restarted gdm via commandline to try to pick up another session, but maybe this didnt worked as expected
[10:01] <orogor> Ampelbein: gdm logon doesn t look like the login manager i saw first dunno if that makes a difference
[10:01] <Ampelbein> orogor: The standard login manager nowadays is lightdm
[10:03] <Ampelbein> orogor: Any errors logged in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/lightdm/*.log ?
[10:07] <orogor> there s  lot of debug insid e, i can t  see the error
[10:07] <orogor> new session to use is unbuntu ?
[10:08] <orogor> i got like 6-7 sessions to choose from
[10:08] <Ampelbein> orogor: ubuntu should be unity.
[10:08] <orogor> and btw now picking up kde session works , but ubuntu session leave me with no unity launcher
[10:08] <orogor> i have no unity in the menu
[10:08] <Ampelbein> orogor: You can report a bug with 'ubuntu-bug lightdm' and describe your issue.
[10:09] <Ampelbein> orogor: No, I meant the entry "Ubuntu" should start a Unity session
[10:09] <orogor> haaa
[10:10] <orogor> i try hard to like unity , but it really doesn t like me , maybe we re  not destined to be together
[10:12] <Ampelbein> orogor: 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' ;-)
[10:13] <orogor> i prefer plain simple gnome
[10:13] <orogor> gnome with enlightement as i was 10 years ago was the most perfect combination, but everyone has gone mad since
[10:14] <Ampelbein> orogor: Yeah, all those shiny app-like desktops don't appeal to me either. But we are getting offtopic.
[10:14] <orogor> yup
[10:15] <orogor> i i choose a gnome session it doesn t looks at all like my previous ubuntu session
[10:15] <orogor> and i can t  right click on gnome element to configure them either
[10:16] <orogor> hummm    trying xfce i ll see if i like it
[15:31] <cdbs> Anyone around?
[15:31] <cdbs> ~taowa4 on launchpad has made a team ~badge-collectors on Launchpad and has added it to my ~papercuts-ninja
[15:32] <cdbs> I asked him to remove it since it was not the right thing to do (my team is for papercuts enthusiasts)
[15:32] <cdbs> he didn't respond, I removed the team myself and removed his admin status (he made himself admin since he's the member of the owner team mysteriously)
[15:33] <cdbs> So, is anyone from the design team around who can kick him off from ~papercutters which will help me fix the issue?
[15:34] <cdbs> he has made himself as admin again and he has changed team joining policy, he seems like a troll
[15:36] <cdbs> not the right thing to ask on a sunday morning :)
[15:39] <Ampelbein> cdbs: might be better to ask in #launchpad?
[15:39] <cdbs> hmm
[15:39] <cdbs> even fewer chances
[15:39] <cdbs> the LOSA people might not be there
[15:39] <cdbs> anyway
[15:39] <cdbs> I'll try
[15:47] <ashams_> cdbs, it's a war, ha :)
[15:48] <ashams> cdbs, will mail vish
[16:20] <cdbs> ashams: shouldn't I mail him?
[16:20] <cdbs> Not a problem, if you've mailed already, doesn't matter
[16:20] <ashams> cdbs, nah not yet
[16:20] <ashams> got something from #launchpad ?
[17:43] <hggdh> cdbs: oh, I see what you mean, badge-collectors and all
[18:30]  * cdbs thinks he had seen hggdh at UDS
[18:48]  * hggdh thinks cdbs is correct
[18:50] <hggdh> BTW, I remember an exchange with taowa4 wating to be a member of bug-control, and I (and others) refusing him due to no qualifications, and s/he insisting
[18:56] <cdbs> hggdh: I filed a question about this issue https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/179444
[18:56] <cdbs> thanks to ashams for bringing me to light on the issue
[18:57] <ashams> cdbs, Thanks to you buddy.
[19:00] <cdbs> hggdh: And I have no idea how he was approved into ~papercutters when he has NO papercut triaging experience
[19:00] <hggdh> cdbs: perfect. Actually, I wonder how many members this badge-collectors team has ;-)
[19:01] <cdbs> hggdh: and many other experienced triagers like sense are out of the team (I'm not admin else I'll add sense to papercutters)
[19:01] <cdbs> hggdh: 1 member, taowa4 himself, but yeah, the team is new, and many people could want to join it
[19:01] <cdbs> hggdh: look at the immense number of badges taowa4 has, like, 3 rows of icons!
[19:02] <hggdh> yeah, first thing I notices
[19:02] <hggdh> noticed even
[19:02] <hggdh> heh. *I* am not a member of papercutters...
[19:05] <cdbs> the policies of getting into that are really strict
[19:05] <cdbs> I doubt if vish could have added him in
[19:05] <cdbs> I guess someone from the canonical UX team added him by mistake
[19:05] <cdbs> (where him is ~taowa4)
[19:06] <hggdh> yes, I think it was a mistake
[19:09] <hggdh> and I subscribed to the question in a.lp.net, I am also curious to see how the LOSAs will act
[19:11] <cdbs> ashams: UCA day was your idea? Nice!
[19:17] <ashams> cdbs, yep, Thanks :)
[20:32] <ashams> cdbs, hggdh I have just deactivated taowa again, we'll be having fun all the night long :)
[20:32] <cdbs> ashams: deactivated from?
[20:32] <cdbs> bugsquad?
[21:04]  * hggdh wonders how old is s/he
[21:04] <hggdh> ashams: BTW -- we are closing the mentorship programme, it did not work
[21:10] <gema> hggdh: why didn't it work?
[21:24] <hggdh> gema: unrealistic expectations from the mentees -- they pretty much expect us to hold their hands, and we simply do not have time for it
[21:25] <hggdh> so they (mostly) sit down and wait
[21:54] <ashams> cdbs, hey sorry I wasn't here. I meant pcuts-ninja
[21:55] <cdbs> ashams: ah, got it
[21:55] <cdbs> ashams: as a side note, he kicked me off the ninja team :)
[21:55] <cdbs> we're having a Steve Jobs-esque thermonuclear war!
[21:55] <ashams> :D
[21:56] <ashams> hggdh, but the mentorship program is essential
[22:00] <ashams> cdbs, heh Bilal is kicked from the team which he is supposed to lead hahaha
[22:00] <ashams> :P
[22:00] <cdbs> anyway
[22:01] <cdbs> we've discussed lot about that single troll on this channel
[22:01] <cdbs> we should stop:
[22:01] <cdbs> !feedthetroll
[22:01] <ubot4> The above mess was caused by someone who thought it was funny (they're gone now). Please ignore it completely, since discussing it and making a fuss will only make them think they've reached their "fun" goal.
[22:01] <cdbs> (well, that troll wasn't on IRC so ubottu's factoid contradicts the situation)
[22:02] <cdbs> but yeah, its outrageous, let's hope the LOSAs will fix it tomorrow
[22:02] <ashams> I hope so
[22:30] <hggdh> ashams: training is essential, I agree. Helping them to start is essential, I also agree. But mentoring did not work
[22:31] <hggdh> ashams: so we will be trying other options -- short videos, less that 2 min, showing details of bug triaging, etc
[22:31] <ashams> hggdh, do we have any other alternative to it?
[22:31] <hggdh> heh
[22:31] <ashams> :)
[22:31] <ashams> That will work too
[22:32] <hggdh> yes. Plus askubuntu, answers, etc, not counting the help we strive to provide in this channel
[22:33] <ashams> yeah, mentorship seemed to be exhausting for no reasonable output
[22:45] <gema> hggdh: fair enough