[09:38] <orogor> hi here
[09:39] <orogor> anyone would know why after an upgrade to last version i have nor unity nor a taskbar or app menu ?
[09:39] <orogor> basically i can t launch anything in the gui , i currently tun irssi
[09:43] <orogor> humm
[09:45] <broder> orogor: we generally don't do that kind of bug hunting in here. #ubuntu-bugs might be better
[09:46] <broder> but it's also very late evening for the US and very early morning for europe on a weekend, so there just aren't that many people around
[09:48] <orogor> haa sorry
[09:48] <orogor> also do yu know how to swith tab in irssi ?
[09:48] <orogor> i think i have pm , just can t remember what s the shortcut
[09:49] <broder> sorry, i've never used irrsi
[09:49] <broder> *irssi
[09:50] <orogor> ok
[09:56] <iceroot> orogor: alt + 1, alt +2 or alt + q to go to the last hilight
[09:56] <iceroot> sorry, alt + a instead of alt + q
[14:07]  * lamont pounds his head on the desk trying to figure out (again) how to get firefox out of full screen mode
[14:28] <Daviey> lag: F11 ?
[14:28] <Daviey> lamont:
[14:29] <lamont> Daviey: turns out that if the window is bigger than the screen, well, life sucks since you can't grab the top of the window and drag it down to resize...
[14:30] <lamont> all of which just confused things with whether it was in full-screen mode, or bigger-than-fullscreen-and-needing-to-be-resized mode
[14:30] <Daviey> lamont: sucks to be you :)
[14:30] <Daviey> <-- helpful++
[14:30] <lamont> heh
[14:31] <lamont> I just resized the second monitor back to being bigger than the first, and fixed things up by manually resizing.  and once I finish waking up, I'll file a bug
[15:31] <GG_> Hi, where can I talk to someone about pygtk?
[15:33] <rptr> GG_: #pygtk ?
[15:33] <GG_> thanks
[15:40] <cjwatson> lamont: alt-drag to move, then resize the window once you have a grab handle available?
[15:45] <ion> In addition to that: F11? Alt-middle to resize? Alt-F5? Alt-F7 to move? Alt-F8 to resize?
[15:45] <ion> Alt-space or alt-right and “Move Titlebar Onscreen”?
[16:26] <hallyn> All right, TODAY is the day that I figure out why ureadahead is the only thing running (beside plymouthd) for 20 seconds
[16:43] <penguin42> and that is.....
[18:24] <shnatsel> hello everyone
[18:25] <shnatsel> since documentation on creating large-scale ubuntu derivatives is severely lacking, I've tried to write down all I learned from you about seeds and germinate and stuff
[18:25] <shnatsel> here is the result
[18:25] <shnatsel> OK, looks like I've written down all I know: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPPF14h1Sw2gQjGTuZjUIlNHnGrafS8ekhFjJM9MT00/edit
[18:26] <shnatsel> oops, I was supposed to post just the link
[18:26] <shnatsel> anyway
[18:26] <shnatsel> could you please please please have a look at it and correct anything that I got wrong?
[18:27] <shnatsel> and, the ISO building section is still lacking, because there seems to be no docs on ubuntu iso builds, the blueprint has no activity
[18:27] <shnatsel> I'd really appreciate any info about it
[18:44] <shnatsel> added info about specifying repositories just now
[18:45] <shnatsel> forgot about it initially
[19:14] <shnatsel> I wonder if Ubuntu CD image team members have a mailing list
[19:14] <shnatsel> or an IRC channel
[19:14] <shnatsel> or something
[19:14] <shnatsel> I want to contact those guys directly so much
[19:56] <shnatsel> cjwatson: I've tried to write down everything you told me about seeds into a doc, could you have a look at it and correct me where I'm wrong, please? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPPF14h1Sw2gQjGTuZjUIlNHnGrafS8ekhFjJM9MT00/edit
[20:06] <shnatsel> infinity: docs on ISO building are needed badly. I've made a stub, could you please fill in the missing parts? See doc link above.
[21:45] <tsdgeos> tkamppeter: ping
[22:58] <mwhudson> \o/ for the offlineimap sru
[22:58] <lifeless> bdmurray: yo
[22:59] <lifeless> bdmurray: you are basically the only user of edge.launchpad.net left. Please stop :) Please?
[23:38] <broder> what's our stance these days on srus for network-protocol updates?
[23:38] <broder> i'm trying to figure out what to do with bug #852603
[23:38] <broder> on the one hand, it's comparatively invasive
[23:39] <broder> (for an sru, that is)
[23:39] <broder> on the other hand, appraently network play is broken
[23:48] <slangasek> broder: I know we do backports for compatibility with network services, but I don't know that anyone's asked for an SRU of that sort yet
[23:49] <infinity> slangasek: Have we never done an SRU of telepathy/purple/pidgin/etc for broken IM protocol issues?
[23:49] <infinity> I'd be shocked to discover we haven't.
[23:49] <broder> i thought i remembered seeing an sru for youtube-dl to deal with youtube changing, but i can't find it
[23:50] <infinity> broder: I'd say it still needs to apply SRU common sense.  Massively invasive changes usually aren't required for protocol breakage (usually), there may be simple fixes one can backport without picking up new upstream versions.
[23:51] <broder> apparently they are in this case, because the hedgewars folks break network compatibility pretty regularly
[23:51] <broder> "Just as an example of just what can change network play. Changing one pixel on one theme object requires a protocol bump, since a hog's movements could be slightly changed."
[23:51] <infinity> Special.
[23:52] <infinity> If that's actually true, it may need some deliberation and a rolling SRU exception.
[23:52] <infinity> I really hate that we even have a precedent for that, though. :/
[23:52] <infinity> For a network game, however, I suppose I could see the argument.
[23:55] <broder> i guess i can bounce the bug to ubuntu-sru and see what they think