[00:00] it can get a bit more complicated than that depending on what you are removing and what the interdependencies are [00:00] good night everyone [00:00] night o/ [00:00] night o/ === hamitron_ is now known as hamitron [02:56] Hi [02:58] can someone please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-November/254345.html ? [02:58] how do i run strace dpkg ? [04:18] kaushal: the command is strace, you probably want to look at man strace to see the ways of invoking it [07:26] BigRedS: hi again [07:26] apologies got disconnected [07:26] Any clue ? [07:28] BigRedS: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-November/254320.html [07:36] kaushal: what's the actual problem you're having? [07:37] kaushal: just posting random mailing list posts won't really help... [07:38] MartijnVdS: yeah sure [07:38] i am unable to kill dpkg process [07:39] kaushal: can you post the output of "ps faux" to a pastebin? [07:39] sure [07:40] MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/743962/ [07:41] the processes are already dead ("Ds") [07:41] Is there NFS or sshfs or some other remote file system on this machine? [07:41] nope [07:41] so sshfs ? [07:41] is the disk OK? [07:41] how do i check it ? [07:42] for sshfs [07:42] kaushal: "mount" [07:42] it'll show all mounted file systems and their types [07:42] MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/743965/ [07:43] xfs [07:43] shouldn't be a problem [07:43] How do i purge it ? [07:43] last thing I'd check before just rebooting (Which will fix it 100% sure :)) was dmesg [07:43] is there anything about the file system being broken in dmesg [07:43] i do not have option about reboot [07:44] nothing [07:45] I think a reboot is the best solution - finding out what dead processes are sleeping .. no idea [07:45] MartijnVdS: how about strace [07:45] kaushal: that doesn't work on dead processes [07:45] ok [07:45] so dead means zombie ? [07:45] i mean defunct [07:46] defunct, yes [07:46] ok [07:46] but it will be denoted by Z and not Ds ? [07:46] it can't be really removed from the process table because it's in uninterruptible sleep [07:46] the moment that gets fixed, it'll be properly dead [07:46] as per man ps [07:47] so zombie process are denoted by Z or Ds ? [07:47] I mean defunct [07:48] kaushal: what's the output of "lsof -p x" (with "x" replaced with the dpkg pid(s)) [07:49] kaushal: http://blog.notreally.org/2008/02/10/tricks-to-diagnose-processes-blocked-on-strong-io-in-linux/ [07:50] MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/743979/ [07:50] kaushal: I don't see anything strange in those.. [07:51] I think a reboot might be the only option (and a hardware check, these things don't happen normally) [07:56] MartijnVdS: can you point me to some docs about various Process states in ps table [07:57] although man page does not help much [07:59] MartijnVdS: thanks [08:00] MartijnVdS: can partner repos be integrated with local ubuntu repos ? [08:00] I am using debmirror [08:39] morning all [09:01] morning [09:21] I'm trying to eat my cupboards empty for some reason, or atleast try to get rid of soon to go out of date stuff [09:21] I didn't remember I had hazelnut Options sachets [09:22] still a place (possibly 2) for the christmas meal folks [09:23] * Myrtti feels sad for not being able to attend [09:36] Morning [10:01] o/ [10:01] Morning popey! [10:02] Wait, isn't it evening? [10:02] morning nigelb [10:02] Ah right. I'm slightly easterly than normal :) [10:02] Its 6 pm here [10:02] how is KL? [10:02] It is amazing! [10:02] been up the petronas towers? [10:02] Mozcamp just got over! [10:03] I'm going to go tomorrow morning [10:03] Tonight, we'll just roam around the Towers [10:03] Tomorrow I'll try to get on the walkway [10:03] scary! [10:04] keep away from the hanging lights [10:05] heh [10:05] ok, its party time. We have about 6 hours of time to party! Laters everyone :) [10:06] o/ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:19] Morning [10:46] * Seeker` has been on registered on freenode for 5 years today :O [10:50] I'll reach my seveth year next month [10:50] so much wasted time and effort [10:55] There must also be good things about it, though. [10:57] true, I should try harder to find good things, today was a first time in a long time there was actual sunshine [10:59] we took delivery of a new fridge yesterday, but the landlord screwed-up and ordered one about 2/3rds the required size, but at least we don't have to put up with a noisy fridge any more. [11:00] sun? there's no sun to be found anywhere around here [11:01] expecting first snow next week [11:01] We tend to get snow in January in Edinburgh. [11:02] I'd best get my parking permit sorted out so I can just take the bus to work each day, then it's someone else's problem to warm and de-ice the vehicle ;) [11:04] should I install something special to access my samba shares through nautilus? [11:06] Like a christmas metacity theme? ;) [11:06] I thought you could just go to a samba:/host/directory style address with it [11:11] "Unable to mount location: Failed to retrieve share list from server" [11:13] oh, it's smb://delta/mp3 [11:14] my landlord reminded me that it's about time to get the boiler serviced [11:15] by the simple method of getting his son (who is a heating engineer) to pop down from the farm with his tools [11:15] and I've got my 100kg of paving slabs ordered for the winter [11:15] since it doesn't look like I'll be getting a front wheel drive van before december is out [11:16] shouldn't the landlord just service the boiler and install paving slabs? [11:16] Myrtti: snow? wait, where? [11:16] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mi80x/give_me_that_one_command_you_wish_you_knew_years/ <-- disown, what a beauty [11:17] dwatkins: I live in a farm cottage, my landlord is the farmer [11:17] mattt: yeah, I was reading that thread, and thought the exact same thing :) [11:17] dwatkins: one of his sons is a heating engineer and takes care of the boiler etc, his other son runs a building supplies place [11:17] dwatkins: ^5 ... love stuff like that :) [11:17] dwatkins: the paving slabs go in a steel crate in the back of my van, strapped down over the rear axle [11:17] gordonjcp: oh handy :) [11:18] mattt: yeah, reddit is great for all sorts of things, and the fact you can join subreddits is superb [11:18] this means that I can piss past all the bogged 4x4s on the roads [11:18] mattt: about 1000 miles from UK [11:18] Myrtti: which way? [11:19] good morning everyone, [11:19] mattt: east, mostly [11:19] I always forget how far north Finland is [11:20] for some reason I keep thinking it's as far south as sweden [11:21] gordonjcp: would love to go up there to see northern lights! [11:21] mattt: I've seen them from my place up north, that's only about 57 degrees [11:21] mattt: you need a more active sun though [11:22] we had a massive burst about a month ago, *all kinds* of aurora [11:22] gordonjcp: up north, as in ... shetland islands? :) [11:22] hugely overcast here but I was picking up lots of auroral propagation on VHF [11:22] mattt: skye [11:22] shetland is about 58 degrees [11:23] gordonjcp: oh, you're out that way too? [11:23] gordonjcp: did a nice drive through skye this august, was lovely :D [11:23] mattt: yeah [11:24] mattt: I'm just outside Glasgow at the moment but I grew up on Skye [11:24] going up there later in the week actually [11:24] * mattt is jealous [11:25] * dwatkins lives in Edinburgh [11:26] krikey, half this channel is scottish :) [11:26] aye :) [11:26] lol [11:26] funny to think that Copenhagen and Malmö are on the same latitude as Kilmarnock [11:27] I assume the Gulf stream makes it "warmer" in Scotland than similar latitudes elsewhere, e.g. Sweden or Canada [11:28] dwatkins: yeah [11:30] Tampere is 61.5, 23.766667 [11:32] I seem to be unable to hack Wolfram Alpha or Google to tell me how many miles/kilometres that is north from John O'Groates [11:33] gordonjcp: do you speak gaelic? [11:42] mattt: a little [12:01] [B [12:01] oops [12:06] anyone run ubuntu on a macbook? [12:07] mattt: not yet, but I plan to - my other half installed Ubuntu on her MBP 15" (late 2009) [12:09] dwatkins: i upgraded to lion and performance has been horrible, figure if i'm reinstalling i may as well try ubuntu :D [12:09] mattt: I bootcamped recently to install WinXP, I imagine I'll have to start again for OSX/XP/Ubuntu, and definitely if I want to use Win7 on here. [12:10] mattt: does activity monitor not show CPU usage being high or something? What kind of performance issues? [12:10] i've never used bootcamp sadly, always just used os x [12:10] dwatkins: a whole lot of beachballin' [12:10] opening safari, doing anything seems to beach ball [12:26] aloha [12:30] mattt: I suspect there's another reason for that - I assume you've updated [12:35] dwatkins: yep, hence trying the fresh install [12:36] mattt: ah ok, if you've not already installed it, there's a lot you can do to diagnose with top, activity monitor, and dplace [12:37] oops, DTrace, I mean: http://www.brendangregg.com/DTrace/dtrace_oneliners.txt [12:48] HI [13:09] Any of you guys have a tablet? [13:09] iPad, Galaxy Tab etc [13:09] i have an arnova 10 G2 [13:09] mfraz74: Any good? [13:10] Looks like the Archos 101 :P [13:10] not too bad, using it right now [13:10] Might get myself an Archos 101 [13:10] same specs as that [13:11] Have to use ArcTools to get the market though [13:11] Maplin are selling it for £150 [13:11] arctools doesn't work on the Arnova yet [13:12] Ah right [13:12] Think I'm going to get the Archos 101 [13:12] dwatkins: haven't reinstalled yet, re-downloading lion, will try to diagnose a bit further before reinstalling [13:13] what size screen? [13:13] * mattt is afk for a bit [13:13] mattt: I'd be interested in knowing your results [13:15] mfraz74: I only really want a tablet for quick browsing and things. [13:16] I'm on exopc right now [13:17] I 'm using it for browsing, chatting and playing games. beebdroid is a good beeb emulator [13:19] hi [13:19] i got this coin [13:19] i think its english [13:19] http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8878/dp100423.jpg [13:19] old coin [13:20] even though tis latin [13:20] it says BRITANNIARUM [13:20] which sorta sounds like britain [13:21] http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6057/dp100424.jpg [13:21] thats the back face [13:21] is that english? [13:24] looks like a commemorative coin [13:24] and latin [13:25] george 3 [13:25] George the 3rd [13:25] is it [13:25] * dwatkins notes Myrtti has awesome powers in the ubuntu channel [13:26] quite an appetite he had that fella [13:26] dwatkins: I have awesome powers on a lot of channels [13:26] including this :-) [13:26] I'm not going to doubt that ;) [13:27] is this a real english currency?? [13:27] Old-port: doubt it [13:27] whys that [13:27] currency tends to have something to tell the value of it [13:27] yea [13:27] http://netcoins.co.uk/details/475 [13:27] i dunno latin though [13:27] it might tell the value [13:27] is it english? [13:27] at all [13:28] was this guy your king at somepoint? [13:28] yup [13:28] Yah [13:28] well, not mine, but Britons ;-) [13:28] is he the queens great grandfather? [13:28] or something like that? [13:30] i bet its got good value [13:30] 200 year old [13:30] i think its gold though im not sure [13:30] well it just said on the website someone gave a link to that a good condition one is nearly £700 [13:30] Myrtti: If this is a W Wyon one [13:31] It'll be worth more [13:31] what link ? [13:31] ah, yes, the reverse is different [13:31] the one jutnux posted? [13:31] it doesnt look even remotely similar [13:31] both faces are completely different [13:31] those coins are different in every way [13:32] I can only find a gold one [13:32] http://www.antique-marks.com/george-iii-silver-crown.html [13:32] Silver one I mean [13:32] £10,000 - £15,000 apparently. [13:32] wheres the picture [13:32] On the page [13:32] I think yours might not be real though, don't know. [13:32] yeah that does look better [13:32] though the backside is all wrong [13:33] and this ones definitely silver [13:33] Oh it looks gold [13:33] http://netcoins.co.uk/details/690 [13:34] that does look more like it [13:34] i really wish they had better quality images though [13:34] Old-port: Why not take it to a coin specialist? :P [13:35] Myrtti, this one isnt identical [13:35] look at the position of the head [13:35] different text too [13:35] jutnux, yeah thats a possibility [13:36] Mass split, woo === ubuntuuk-planet9 is now known as ubuntuuk-planet [13:38] lol [13:39] http://legacy.stacks.com/Lot/ItemDetail/46523 [13:39] oh dear [13:39] How much does yours weigh? [13:40] no idea [13:40] its got some weigh onto it [13:40] You can only hope ;) [13:40] they look identical in every way [13:41] I found a stopwatch [13:41] and it was worth £85,000 if it was real [13:41] but it was copper coated in gold :( [13:41] £4.60 [13:41] :'( [13:41] mine actually looks better than this [13:41] i need a weight [13:41] and i need one of those gold test kits [13:42] one of 7 known [13:42] lol [13:42] one of 8 lets hope [13:42] Proof 63 Ultra Cameo [13:42] thats some kind of grading i presume [13:43] wow [13:43] this is unbelievable [13:44] mine looks so much better than theirs i gotta tell you [13:44] maybe its the camera [13:45] Probably :p [13:45] If you get rich, loan me £300 ;) [13:50] lol [14:00] well that was a nice sunshine [14:00] it's pissing down now [14:00] yeah, and I'm talking in past tense [14:00] sun just went down [14:01] this is going to make barbecueing awkward [14:01] Myrtti: yeah, not sunset for another hour here, not that you'd notice [14:03] apparently it went down half an hour ago [14:03] it's been sunny all weekend [14:03] I bet it'll be sunny next week too [14:04] gordonjcp: wolfram alpha claims the sun goes down in two hours and twenty odd minutes :-P [14:04] still plenty of time [14:05] man, the barbecue is filling with water [14:05] Myrtti: I guess it depends on local terrain [14:05] Myrtti: if you had it totally flat to sea level to the west you might have the sun for another two hours [14:06] gordonjcp: I tried to cook a pizza on a bbq before, rest assured it ended up nearly burning the house down. [14:06] The oven was broken. [14:06] Burning the shed down even. [14:06] jutnux: I thought about decamping to one of the farm sheds [14:06] maybe I'll go to B&Q and get a tarpaulin [14:06] Good idea. [14:11] [Dan Fish] Recycle, Recycle, Recycle - http://www.ossmedicine.org/uncategorized/11/recycle-recycle-recycle/ [14:16] jutnux: you asked if anyone has a tablet, i have an ipad and an asus transformer on the way [14:17] afternoon all [14:17] yo [14:20] afternoon popey [14:32] popey: Is the transformer any good? [14:33] Never mind, you don't have it. [14:33] Hahaha. [14:35] dunno, ask me in two days ☺ [14:35] I shall. [14:35] I'm getting an Archos 101. [14:40] Toast sandwich is calling me, brb. [14:48] Back [14:55] Nom. [15:04] how do I know if I'm using 802.11n or something else? [15:04] from the Bit Rate iwconfig gives? [15:08] Myrtti: "iw wlan0 link" will tell you I think [15:09] when is usc going to price in gbp? [15:13] MartijnVdS: I get the same information I got from iwconfig [15:14] * Myrtti checks wikipedia [15:14] Myrtti: I don't think there's really a "connection is 802.11n" flag then -- it's just all implicit based on connection speeds (and modulations) [15:14] Myrtti: but I've been known to be wrong in matters of wifi :) [16:19] yo! === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:49] alright, putting ubuntu on my macbook pro looks like too much work :/ [17:54] insert cd, boot from cd, do install [17:54] thats what I did [18:05] popey: when critical things like wireless don't work, i wonder if it's worth the effort :P [18:05] which mbp? [18:06] 8,1 [18:06] what wifi card does it have? [18:06] broadcom ? [18:06] checking [18:06] BCM43xx (broadcom) [18:06] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty#Wireless [18:06] yeah, looks annoying [18:07] will have a look, but afk for the minute [18:07] thanks popey [18:07] np [18:10] huu [18:11] meh [18:11] I'm a bit annoyed with 11.10 having 3.0 kernel :-< [18:11] all the instructions to get the tablet working as it should are for 11.04 or 2.x kernels [18:15] don't know should I do something with http://www.broadcom.com/support/crystal_hd/ or not [18:24] hm [18:25] linux-firmware-nonfree seems to have it already [18:26] Myrtti: which tablet? exopc? [18:29] not much supports crystal HD though, i think xbmc had work done for it [19:14] gord: confusing information: freedesktop.org claims vaapi supports it, and that several players support vaapi [19:15] AND WHY DOESN'T ANY VIDEOLAN'S WEBPAGE WORK [19:15] garrrhghghghghg [19:18] ack that is confusing, well maybe things will work great :) [19:19] thank deity for text-only google cache [19:19] ♥ [19:19] google.com/latitude is 404'ing here, :( [19:19] brobostigon: didn't they replace that with Plus? [19:20] MartijnVdS: it worked yesterday. and i havent heard anything of that happening, if so, how do i access it? [19:20] They might just have messed something up [19:21] more than likely. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [19:22] ok, what's the difference between libva-glx1, libva-tpi1 and libva-x11-1? [19:23] I imagine the glx one is for accelerated environments and the x11 one doesn't depend on anything more than a "2D capable" graphics card, Myrtti. [19:24] works now, much better. [19:24] brobostigon: ah cool, I just tested and it works for me now too [19:24] dwatkins: if you could see my face right now, you could be greeted by a blank stare [19:24] dwatkins: who knows what happened, maybe dns update issue? [19:25] so if I've got Unity running just fine and compositing works etc, I could run, say, the glx one? [19:25] Myrtti: apparently the payware fluendo codec pack supports vaapi [19:25] Myrtti: I suspect so, yes, especially if you have nvidia or ati drivers installed [19:25] popey: I know [19:26] I'm not ready to part for the amount of money they are asking just to get HD video if I can try other tricks first [19:27] HD video is the same resolution my monitor has ten years ago. [19:27] Granted my computer couldn't play fullscreen video at that rate back then, but still. [19:28] evening all [19:28] good evening AlanBell [19:31] Good evening AlanBell [19:31] Myrtti: got a link to tech specs of that tablet? [19:32] hohum. [19:32] I give up [19:32] popey: sure, I'll find a link. [19:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExoPC%20-or-%20WeTab%20multi-touch%20tablets [19:33] evening all [19:33] the irony of the location of that list doesn't escape me [19:34] supports 64-bit... ho hum [19:34] oh well, I was going to reinstall sometime soonish anyway [19:35] oh, its the wetab [19:35] * mgdm is reading http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mi80x/give_me_that_one_command_you_wish_you_knew_years/ [19:35] lots of nice bash/zsh trickery [19:36] popey: wetab with the CrystalHD and 64GB SSD [19:40] just asking a friend who works for Canonical if he'd be able to do anything if I can somehow get him one [19:40] Tampere has a high frequency of these things after Intel AppUp event in April [19:43] wow, they're hideous inside [19:47] dear banshee, if you take 349% of my CPU and stay there you will be killed. http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/fear%20the%20banshee.png [19:48] mattt: https://plus.google.com/u/1/100568396676405064966/posts/2yqi7hQiH8H [19:48] timing ☺ [19:49] Good evening peeps :) [19:51] pip pip [19:51] Afternoon naps are a great [19:51] Am I getting old? [19:58] * AlanBell is done with banshee and tangerine [19:59] forked-daapd and rhythmbox work fine [20:00] Rhythmbox \o/ [20:03] Spotify \o/ [20:03] \o/ Spotify [20:03] updating xserver from edgers... mmmmmm feeling a bit scared of "Do you want to continue [Y/n] [20:04] I don't know if I do [20:04] It would be interesting if apt-get were to say "I'm feeling a bit scared about this. Do you want to continue [Y/n]" [20:05] Or just "I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave." [20:05] which you could then override by running with sudo... [20:05] "Daisy, Daisy" [20:06] "Give me your answer do..." [20:07]