[08:18] <hedge104> Hi, I got a problem while compiling nepomukannotation. It was working fine with kubuntu11.04... now i upgraded it to 11.10.... all kdelibs,kde-runtime work fine without any problem. but nepomukannotation gives this error: http://paste.kde.org/148628/  also in the new version of kubuntu, all kde packages give some warning like this: http://paste.kde.org/148652/ 
[08:47] <bambee> morning
[12:00] <Riddell> good morning
[12:01] <Riddell> guess what?  I'm back!
[12:01] <nihui> good morning!
[12:01] <Riddell> I wonder what needs doing
[12:01] <Riddell> lots of merges no doubt
[12:03] <jussi> Riddell: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:03]  * jussi hugs Riddell
[12:11] <Riddell> :)
[12:11] <Riddell> nice to be missed :)
[12:15]  * Tm_T huggles all
[12:20] <Saviq> hi all, are there any efforts around packaging Qt 4.8 going on for Precise?
[12:21] <Saviq> debfx: I got pointed at you by didrocks ^?
[12:23] <Riddell> Saviq: we don't generally package Qt until it makes releases, what's the motivation?
[12:25] <Saviq> Riddell: trying some stuff out, but I got you, will manage myself
[13:36]  * Riddell merging qt, this packaging stuff is fiddly
[13:37]  * Quintasan goes to get some food before fighting with maliit
[13:38] <davmor2> Riddell: it's tying the bow at the end of wrapping isn't it ;)
[13:38] <Quintasan> lol
[13:38] <jussi> ooh its davmor2, some throw something at him! :P
[13:38] <Quintasan> huh
[13:38] <Quintasan> like what
[13:38] <Quintasan> bricks?
[13:39]  * Quintasan throws apachelogger at davmor2
[13:39] <jussi> nah... cream pies! :D
[13:39] <Quintasan> oh
[13:39]  * shadeslayer_ throws dlna at davmor2
[13:39]  * Quintasan puts apachelogger back in his place
[13:39]  * Quintasan throws cream pies at davmor2
[13:40] <Quintasan> bbl
[13:40] <Quintasan> gotta eat and run some errands
[13:40] <Quintasan> Y U NO HW ACCEL YET TRANSFORMER
[13:40]  * davmor2 stands behind jussi and awaits the onslaught of incoming objects
[13:41]  * jussi ducks and laughs as davmor2 gets hit..
[13:41] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: you're lucky, I'm still waiting for lilstevie's app :P
[13:42] <shadeslayer_> and this dlna shit isn't making life any easier
[13:42] <Quintasan> \o/
[13:42]  * Quintasan be seriously eating
[14:15] <CaptainKnots> is this the channel to discuss kubuntu 12.04?
[14:15] <jussi> CaptainKnots: yes, in a way, its for the development on that. What would you like to raise? 
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> well I just did a dist-upgrade and am wondering what it's going to break
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> haha
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> also, should I remove fglrx before I reboot?
[14:17] <jussi> CaptainKnots: no idea... I dont upgrade at least ill alpha 3 or so
[14:17] <CaptainKnots> well, I'll report my findings after I find out then
[14:17] <jussi> CaptainKnots: you are probably better asking in #ubuntu+1 - it covers kubuntu as well and its more from a user support perspective. (although here isnt so bad either)
[14:18] <jussi> although it might be a little dead atm
[14:18] <CaptainKnots> I must say kubuntu 11.10 surprised me
[14:18] <jussi> cant imagine many people are running it atm
[14:18] <CaptainKnots> I haven't used ubuntu since hoary, and I was installing 11.10 for my aunt and it drew me back to kde
[14:18] <CaptainKnots> that unity crap is annoying though
[14:20] <jussi> ahh well, we arent really into slagging unity here. (personally I feel its not bad, just different). 
[14:20] <CaptainKnots> I'm not slagging it
[14:21] <CaptainKnots> just stating my opinion from a usability standpoint
[14:21] <CaptainKnots> to each their own
[14:53] <Riddell> agateau: how did you get on with qt-at-spi?  any progress or should I just update to unset QT_ACCESSIBILITY in KDE apps?
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: ah right, I was "successfully" able to crash a qt-only app with qt-at-spi enabled :/
[14:54] <Riddell> fooey
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: I was waiting for feedback before I file an SRU which would disable a11y for all Qt apps except unity-2d
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: got the ok from fregl today, will work on it tomorrow probably
[14:55] <Riddell> I guess that's the best option, thanks
[14:56] <agateau> unfortunately
[14:56] <agateau> hopefully qt-at-spi will be in a much better shape for 12.04
[14:57] <fregl> it will be. and that version is worth fixing. please go ahead and test :)
[15:08] <agateau> fregl: yeah \o/
[16:08] <pnh7> Hi Kubuntu developers, I have a problem with kde/nepomukannotation compilation in kubuntu 11.10... I was using kubuntu 11.04 for kde development..then I upgraded to 11.10.. suddenly it started giving some LINKing related error.. http://paste.kde.org/148994/
[16:09] <pnh7> can some one help me with this? 
[16:09] <pnh7> I'm getting this after upgrading to 11.10
[16:09] <pnh7> this message clearly says something is wrong with linking: http://paste.kde.org/149000/
[16:13] <tsdgeos> pnh7: have you tried nuking your build dir and recompiling from scratch?
[16:14] <pnh7> tsdgeos:yes... I compiled everything from scratch(kdelibs,kde-runtime etc)... 
[16:15] <pnh7> everything works fine except nepomukannotation... 
[16:15] <tsdgeos> ok, no idea then
[16:15] <yofel> pnh7: the details are on http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking - do what gcc says: add the library to the linker command line in cmake
[16:16] <pnh7> yofel: okay.. 
[17:00] <Darkwing> claydoh: how do you see users in a channel with quasseldroid?
[17:01] <Riddell> tab completion :)
[17:04] <Darkwing> that the only way? I might see about borrowing /name for it
[17:04] <Darkwing> grrrr @ kmail. 
[17:04] <Darkwing> it stops dling imap messages
[17:14] <Saviq> fregl: hi again, I just tried to run unity-2d with Qt 4.8-RC1, the QML Accessible seems not to be there? do we still have to backport stuff for that?
[17:14] <Saviq> or probably just reuse some of the patches from our current packages?
[17:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we care if phonon build-deps on libqzeitgeist-dev yet?
[17:19]  * Riddell crys as his build of Qt runs out of disk space
[17:19] <Darkwing> Ouch.
[17:19] <Darkwing> I'm about to put back in my other harddrive... 
[17:20] <Darkwing> 32GB of SSD is starting to get low too often.
[17:26] <hggdh> rbelem: ping
[17:37] <markey> is it normal that Nepomuk always screams errors on computer restart?
[17:37] <markey> 3 popups, always the same
[17:38] <Riddell> it is if it crashes
[17:46] <Riddell> fregl: attica 0.2.80 < 0.2.9 ?
[17:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: not particularly, though tdfischer is the guy to talk to 
[17:57] <apachelogger> he'll be able to advertise the numerous advantages
[20:19] <Riddell> bah, fail, my first merge and I forget to remove a universe build-dependency
[21:10] <micahg> Riddell: is there a reason that you're using lzma and not xz?
[21:20] <Riddell> micahg: for what?
[21:20] <Riddell> and what's the difference?
[21:21] <micahg> Riddell: debs, xz is in minimal, lzma isn't
[21:22] <Riddell> micahg: so I should do   dh --with xz?
[21:22]  * micahg would have to look that up
[21:24] <micahg> dh_builddeb -- -Zxz  (would need an override for dh7+ AFAIK)
[21:24] <micahg> Riddell: either way you need a pre-depends
[21:25] <micahg> for xz it's on dpkg to support LTS to LTS upgrades, for lzma, it's on lzma
[21:27] <apachelogger> micahg: we use lzma because at the time that stuff was introduced there was no xz (support) :P
[21:27] <micahg> apachelogger: right, but you need a pre-depends on lzma to do it since it's not in minimal anymore
[21:27] <apachelogger> I believe switching to xz is the right solution there
[21:28] <Riddell> who's a c++ guru who knows how to fix this? "debugger/qdeclarativedebugserver.cpp:212:86: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments [-Werror=format-security]"
[21:28] <Riddell> it's in this file http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/declarative/debugger/qdeclarativedebugserver.cpp
[21:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: just stream into qWarning() like in line 205
[21:32] <apachelogger> which is actually why this code is funny in 205 it streams into qwarning doing implicit type conversion in 210 it doesn't and breaks its neck
[21:33] <apachelogger> not only inconsistent but apparenlty also flawed ^^
[21:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, l10n of rekonq is outdated now
[21:38] <apachelogger> we need a langpack update with rekonq 0.8 data
[21:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: in oneiric?
[21:41] <apachelogger> yus
[21:41] <apachelogger> we shipped with 0.7.90
[21:41] <apachelogger> updates now holds 0.8
[21:41] <apachelogger> and upstream complains about how our translations are not updated to 0.8
[21:43] <Riddell> fooey
[21:43]  * Riddell makes todo item
[22:15] <fregl> Riddell: badly communicated + BIC as far as I understand, so there will be a fixed libattica 0.3.0 I hope
[22:16] <debfx> micahg: currently there is no automatic way to add the Pre-Depends necessary for data.tar.xz and I don't see a pressing reason why we need to switch to xz
[22:16] <Riddell> which is nice, solves that nasty version numbering :)
[22:16] <micahg> debfx: if you're using lzma debs you also need a pre-depends onlzma
[22:16] <Riddell> debfx: I'm looking to see if I can write an xz.pm for debhelper to do it
[22:17] <debfx> micahg: why would we need to pre-depend on lzma?
[22:17] <micahg> debfx: not in minimal
[22:18] <micahg> unless dpkg has built in lzma support w/out an external library
[22:18] <debfx> dpkg depends on liblzma so how can it not be minimal
[22:19] <micahg> debfx: in what release?
[22:19] <debfx> Riddell: I don't believe that's possible unless you add something like Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends} to all packages
[22:20] <debfx> micahg: precise, dpkg -> xz-utils -> liblzma2
[22:20] <Riddell> debfx: right that would be needed but e.g. qt already has that
[22:21] <debfx> yes, that's necessary for multi-arched packages but if we just wait until next cycle to switch to xz we can avoid the Pre-Depends mess
[22:21] <micahg> debfx: hmm, weird, ok, yeah, liblzma is minimal
[22:21] <micahg> but lzma isn't
[22:21] <micahg> and for some reason I thought lzma was needed
[22:22] <micahg> ah, ok, I get my issue now...it's needed for my use case of embedded tarball, but not for deb packages
[22:22] <micahg> Riddell: apachelogger: debfx: sorry for the noise...
[22:23] <Riddell> lzma it is then
[22:28] <apachelogger> actually xz it is :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> just that lzma is a non-issue
[22:29] <apachelogger> except for pointless lintian warnings btw
[22:31] <debfx> that warning will be removed in the next lintian version
[22:31] <micahg> xz does need the pre-depends (archive enforced)
[22:32] <debfx> the lzma-deb-archive warning
[22:32] <micahg> ah