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glitchd_anybody in here have teamspeak by chance?08:53
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tumbleweedcody-somerville: dmb meeting?14:03
tumbleweedsuppose I should ping everyone else, as I seem to be the only one who remembered...14:05
tumbleweed!dmb-ping14:05
ubottubdrung, cody-somerville, persia, Laney, micahg, geser, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping14:05
Laneywoah14:05
Laneyoh, I did that, thought it was some bot wizardry14:05
tumbleweedheh14:06
* micahg waves14:06
tumbleweedhrm, jbicha isn't online14:06
* stgraber waves14:06
tumbleweedLaney: if cody-somerville doesn't turn up, I guess you are chair14:08
Laneyi am not here enough to be able to drive i'm afraid14:08
Laneyswap with whoever is next for next time?14:09
tumbleweedyou :P14:09
tumbleweedmicahg, after that14:09
* micahg is barely awake ATM...14:09
Laneyheh14:10
stgraberdo we actually have anything to discuss with jbicha missing?14:10
stgraberI don't see any applicant or topics on the agenda that's not blocking on cody-somerville or jbicha14:10
tumbleweedthere are also leftovers from the UDS discussion that never made it to our agenda (I guess they fell under cody)14:10
Laneyi need to write down the package set process14:11
Laneymicahg: are you still ok to ping the existing uploaders to get descriptions?14:13
Laneyotherwise, don't see anything14:13
Laneywe should ping jbicha to make sure he comes to the next one14:13
tumbleweedyeah14:13
micahglaney: yes14:13
Laneyrock14:13
micahgsorry, will try to have that done for next time14:14
Laneynp14:14
Laneywasn't finalised until recently anyway14:14
tumbleweedwe discussed setting up a private IRC channel, at UDS (amongst other things) but the UDS discussion never made its way into our agenda14:15
Laneyyeah we failed there14:19
* tumbleweed can't even find discussion logs. Was the session unscheduled?14:19
Laneybut we can easily try that if people think it might be useful14:19
tumbleweedcody was pretty convinced it would be, and sounded like the main driver for it14:19
Laneywant to JFDI?14:21
Laneyas in: I am updating the agenda — can I give it to you? :-)14:23
Laneysilence. is. assent.14:25
tumbleweedheh, sure14:25
Laneyupdated14:25
Laneycheers all14:25
micahgare we done here?14:39
* tumbleweed assumes so14:41
tumbleweedmicahg: are you still tidying up team ownership?14:42
micahgATM no, as a task, sure :)14:42
micahgoh, wait, yes, I keep trying, will have to poke harder :)14:42
* bdrung waves.14:43
bdrungi forget that we already have winter time (utc+1 instead of utc+2)14:43
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arahello!16:00
jedimikehello!16:01
roadmrhy!16:01
araOK, let's get started :)16:01
ara#startmeeting16:01
brendandhi16:01
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Nov 21 16:01:36 2011 UTC.  The chair is ara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.16:01
meetingologyAvailable commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired16:01
araWelcome to the UF Squad meeting16:01
araThe agenda today looks like:16:01
araDo we want virtual machines to be able to submit to Ubuntu Friendly? (roadmr) - UF runs done on virtual machines aren't submitted to Launchpad, getting this to work would require some effort, we'd like to gauge community interest in this to determine if it's worth pursuing.16:01
araBiweekly meetings - ara16:01
araAOB - all16:02
araAs usual, type ".." when you've finished talking16:02
ara#topic Do we want virtual machines to be able to submit to Ubuntu Friendly? (roadmr)16:02
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araroadmr, all yours :)16:02
roadmrthanks!16:02
roadmrLast week we found out that UF runs done on virtual machines aren't submitted to Launchpad. This was verified on VirtualBox, and would have to be checked also for Xen, VMWare and KVM.16:02
roadmrThe issue comes from the weird DMI information returned from virtual machines which means that checkbox is unable to generate a system_id, which in turn prevents submission to Launchpad.16:03
roadmrThe question here is whether there is interest in having Ubuntu Friendly submissions from virtual machines. This depends on how likely are community members to want to test and submit a virtual machine.16:03
arao/16:03
roadmrIf there is no interest, then perhaps the work needed to get this working is not worthwhile, but if it's something that people will want, maybe it'd be interesting to do.16:03
roadmr..16:03
roadmrara, go16:04
araI think the main interest of UF is to see how Ubuntu works on real hardware. I don't see the value on having a lot of submissions from virtual machines16:04
ara..16:04
roadmro/16:05
araroadmr, go :)16:05
brendando/16:05
cr3o/16:05
roadmrheheh :) so there's already a bug about this problem, one thing to do would be to mark it Won't Fix and point people who ask to that bug, and if someone ever comes up with a rationale as to why we should be testing VMs, we can revisit the decision16:05
roadmr..16:05
arabrendand, your turn16:06
brendandi don't think we should mark the bug 'won't fix', since it is a bug. but we shouldn't prioritise it. i don't think VMs are in scope for testing with Ubuntu Friendly16:07
brendand...16:07
aracr3, your turn now16:07
cr3it should be possible to submit test results from virtual machines, even though it might not make sense to have them appear in UF16:08
cr3how this gets communicated to the user actually running the tests, so that they're not disappointed when their virtual machines does not appear in UF, I don't know16:08
cr3..16:08
araOK, so I guess the bug is valid, but not high priority :)16:09
arawe have to make sure that once we fix it, we change uf as well so they don't appear in uf16:10
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cr3ara: agreed, in other words, it shouldn't be a "validation" error to submit from a virtual machine :)16:10
arashall we vote? or we agree?16:10
cr3anyone disagree?16:10
roadmrso we're agreeing that the bug should be fixed at some point, correct?16:11
cr3roadmr: correct16:11
roadmrok then, /me agrees :)16:11
araroadmr, but that we need to avoid to show those submissions in UF16:11
cr3+116:12
ara#action roadmr to update the bug with the correct importance and a nice comment to let people know16:12
meetingologyACTION: roadmr to update the bug with the correct importance and a nice comment to let people know16:12
aracool!16:12
araOK, moving on16:12
ara#topic Biweekly meetings - ara16:12
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jedimikeo/16:13
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araOK, so nobody outside the people who attended the meeting replied to the email in the ML16:13
arajedimike, go ahead16:13
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jedimikepersonally, i think it's better two have a lively biweekly meeting than a quiet weekly meeting16:13
jedimikejust because if the meetings are quiet, as they are at the moment, they could be considered missable16:14
jedimike...16:14
brendando/16:14
arabrendand, your turn16:14
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brendandi think we should try it once at least16:14
roadmro/16:15
arabrendand, done?16:16
brendandwe should also start thinking about why people don't feel the meetings are worth participating in16:16
brendand...16:16
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araroadmr, go ahead16:16
cr3o/16:16
roadmrbiweekly meetings are a bit harder to keep track of, so we should be careful to announce them in the mailing list - not everyone will have a calendar reminder set up so we should do that for the participants :)16:17
roadmr..16:17
aracr3, your turn!16:17
cr3I liked roadmr's argument sent to the mailing list but I also like jedimike's. however, I'm not convinced that making the meeting biweekly will necessarily make the discussions more lively16:18
cr3the reason is that having it biweekly may put the project out of mind and therefore might even result in less lively meeting16:18
cr3I don't know, tough decision16:18
cr3..16:18
cr3how about we try every 1.5 weeks? :)16:19
arahehehe16:19
araor following the fibonacci series by week number16:19
cr3+116:20
araThe only thing important is to make sure that any decisions about the project are still made in the open16:20
cr3o/16:21
araon the ML or the meetings16:21
aracr3, go ahead16:21
cr3ara: good point, having to wait a couple weeks in order to make a decision in the open might not be ideal16:21
cr3..16:21
roadmro/16:21
araroadmr, go ahead16:21
roadmrI think relying on the ML a bit more for decision making is good, that way information comes to people16:21
roadmras opposed to IRC where they have to come to the information - a bit more effort for everyone involved16:22
roadmreven though the ML is a bit slower...16:22
roadmrthat may help in showing that decisions are open to the community16:22
roadmrand hopefully encourage more participation16:22
cr3+116:23
roadmrand while I still think weekly meetings are less prone to losing momentum,16:23
roadmrmaybe going biweekly is a good opportunity to prepare more interesting agendas,16:23
roadmrwhich will engage the community a bit more.16:23
roadmr..16:23
arawhat about keeping weekly and cancelling the meeting if there are no topics to discuss?16:23
cr3ara: +116:23
* cr3 is in an agreeing mood today16:24
brendando/16:24
arabrendand, go ahead16:24
brendandwe usually have at least *one* topic to discuss. the problem is that it's *only* one or two and maybe the topic(s) aren't that interesting to a wider audience16:25
arao/16:26
brendandand if we hold up having a meeting until we have a 'good' agenda then the scheduling could end up quite random16:26
brendandwhich is annoying as someone participating externally16:26
brendandspeaking from personal experience16:27
cr3o/16:27
brendand...16:27
araI think that if we have one topic, then we need to still have the meeting. If someone put it in the agenda is because it interest them :)16:28
ara..16:28
aracr3, go ahead16:28
cr3even if there's one agenda item, I would still hold a meeting because it might inspire other items for the next meeting.16:28
cr3..16:28
brendando/16:29
arabrendand, go ahead16:29
brendandi agree with that angle if the topic in question is proposed by the community16:29
arabut who are the community? because I am community :)16:30
cr3me too! I quit canonical for an hour just to attend these meetings :)16:31
brendandi'm also the community16:31
brendandlet's say, outside of the meeting organizers16:32
arabut why? I don't understand the difference16:32
araOK, so the options are:16:34
ara1) Keep the weekly meeting, and cancel the meeting if there are no topics at all16:34
ara2) Keep the weekly meeting, and cancel the meeting if there are no topics from people outside the meeting organizers (?)16:34
ara3) Move to a biweekly meeting16:35
araAny other options?16:35
cr3shall we vote?16:35
* ara wonders if you can give options to the voting system...16:36
ara#vote meeting options16:36
meetingologyPlease vote on: meeting options16:36
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)16:36
ara#endvote16:36
meetingologyVoting ended on: meeting options16:36
meetingologyVotes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:016:36
meetingologyDeadlock, casting vote may be used16:36
arait does not look like16:36
ara#vote Option 1 on the cadence16:37
meetingologyPlease vote on: Option 1 on the cadence16:37
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)16:37
ara(this is for those that want option 1)16:37
cr3+116:37
meetingology+1 received from cr316:37
ara+116:37
meetingology+1 received from ara16:37
roadmr+116:37
meetingology+1 received from roadmr16:37
ara(vote 0 if it is not your chosen option, please)16:37
brendand016:37
meetingology0 received from brendand16:37
arajedimike, ?16:38
jedimike+116:38
meetingology+1 received from jedimike16:38
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ara#endvote16:38
meetingologyVoting ended on: Option 1 on the cadence16:38
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:116:38
meetingologyMotion carried16:38
araOK, I think we don't need to vote the rest of the options, unless anyone says we should16:38
ara#agree Meetings to be kept on a weekly cadence. The meeting would be cancel if no topics are on the agenda16:39
arammm, it didn't seem to work :)16:40
araanyway16:40
araAnything else on this topic?16:40
araOK, let's move on16:40
ara#topic Any Other Business?16:41
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araAnyone?16:41
jedimikenot me16:41
* roadmr got nothing else :(16:41
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araOK, let's wrap up then16:41
cr3ditto16:41
ara#endmeeting16:41
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Nov 21 16:41:55 2011 UTC.16:41
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aracool!16:41
arathanks all!16:42
roadmrthanks :)16:42
brendandthanks16:44
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jdstrandhi!17:59
tyhicksHello17:59
micahgo/18:00
jjohansen\o18:02
jdstrandok, let's get started18:02
jdstrand#startmeeting18:02
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Nov 21 18:02:33 2011 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.18:02
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jdstrandThe meeting agenda can be found at:18:02
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting18:02
jdstrand[TOPIC] Announcements18:02
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jdstrandShort week for a lot of the team as Thursday is a national holiday for US employees and a lot of people are taking Friday off18:03
jdstrandmdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thank you for spending time getting your blueprints in order. I think everything is looking good on that front, especially when considering our commitment to essential work items (and best effort for high and lower).18:03
jdstrand[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report18:04
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jdstrandI'll go first18:04
jdstrandI'm one of the ones with a short week (off thu and fri)18:04
jdstrandI'm on community this week18:04
jdstrandI've got one pending update that I hope to push this week: kdeutils. It involves quite a bit of testing, but I hope to push it out today, tomorrow at the latest18:05
jdstrandI've also got a few MIR audits18:05
jdstrandif I have any time, I hope to gather up some statistics on proactive and reactive work18:06
jdstrandI want to be able to look at all the time estimates we gave in the work items and look at if people have too much dev work, etc18:07
jdstrandhopefully, going forward I can have some processes that will better predict things such that at the next UDS we can continue to improve our planning18:08
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're up18:08
mdeslaurI'm currently pushing out a software-center update18:08
mdeslaurand I have a pidgin update to test and push18:08
mdeslaurand then I'll continue going down the list18:09
mdeslaurI'm in the happy place this week18:09
mdeslaurand I won't be eating turkey on thursday18:09
mdeslaurso I'll hold down the fort18:09
mdeslaurthat,s it from me18:09
jdstrandmdeslaur: thanks! :)18:09
mdeslaursbeattie: you're up18:09
sbeattieI'm also happy placing this week18:10
sbeattieand have a short-week planned18:10
sbeattieI'm working on a glibc update and monitoring for openjdk regressions from last week18:10
sbeattieI'm also exploring cgroups18:11
sbeattieI think that's it for me18:11
sbeattiemicahg: tag18:11
micahgso, I think I have a full week this week and will also not be having Turkey on Thursday :)18:12
micahgso, unfortunately, last week ended up being a very short week for me, so I'm still trying to get the Mozilla updates out, after that I have chromium and a few other updates related to DigiCert18:13
micahgthat's it for me18:13
micahgtyhicks: you're it18:13
tyhicksFirst off, I will be eating turkey on Thursday... lots of it :)18:13
mdeslaur\o/18:13
tyhicksI'll also be taking half a day off on Wednesday and Friday18:13
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tyhicksI'm in the triage role this week18:14
tyhicksSo I should still have plenty of time to get that role covered all week18:14
tyhicksOutside of that, I am going to move on to a libt1 update18:14
tyhicksand I intend to start the SRU process for a couple eCryptfs kernel patches for Oneiric18:15
mdeslaurtyhicks: after all that tryptophan, it's good that you're taking friday off :)18:15
tyhicksmdeslaur: Yes - I probably won't wake up until noon, anways :)18:15
tyhicksThat's it for me - you're up jjohansen18:15
jjohansenthanks18:15
jjohansenwell, yet again another short week here.18:16
jjohansenbeside the regular kernel USN work,  I need to fix bug893232, that was discovered last week during testing, and continue getting the apparmor permission rework pushed through and the base of stacking18:17
jjohansenAlso I need to release AppArmor 2.7 final some time this week18:17
jjohansenhrmm, I think that is it from me18:18
jdstrandthanks guys18:19
jdstrand[TOPIC] Highlighted packages18:19
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jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.18:19
jdstrandSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.18:19
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/bip.html18:19
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnucash.html18:20
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/conky.html18:20
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/unbound.html18:20
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ardour.html18:20
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions18:20
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jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?18:20
jdstrandalrighty then18:22
jdstrandmdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!18:22
jdstrand#endmeeting18:23
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Nov 21 18:23:02 2011 UTC.18:23
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mdeslaurthanks jdstrand!18:23
jjohansenthanks jdstrand18:23
micahgthanks jdstrand18:23
tyhicksThanks jdstrand18:23
sbeattiejdstrand: thanks!18:23

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