| redvil | gud ibning!!! | 11:38 |
|---|---|---|
| redvil | tao po | 12:17 |
| Terminus- | evening. =) | 12:22 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: :) good pm :) | 12:22 |
| Terminus- | heya str0ng =) | 12:22 |
| str0ng | :) | 12:23 |
| str0ng | kumusta? | 12:23 |
| Terminus- | uh... went a bit wild upgrading my gaming pc and now i'm trying to stop myself from buying skyrim, bf3, and dragon age ultimate. you? =) | 12:23 |
| str0ng | haha | 12:24 |
| str0ng | me.. hmm.. | 12:24 |
| str0ng | well.. still busy learning stuffs.. | 12:24 |
| Terminus- | oooh! also, i passed LPIC-2. forgot about that. hehe | 12:24 |
| Jucato | san ang tao? | 12:24 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: oi.. nice! congrats! | 12:25 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: ewan ko. may tao ba dito? hehe | 12:25 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: thanks. =) | 12:25 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: buti ka pa at marami ka nang certifications :) | 12:25 |
| Terminus- | still thinking about grabbing RHCSA and RHCE. hehe | 12:25 |
| Jucato | meron ata eh | 12:25 |
| Jucato | oh congrats :) | 12:25 |
| Jucato | mahal ang LPI ehehe :P | 12:25 |
| Terminus- | thanks. =) | 12:25 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: good! | 12:25 |
| redvil | tanong lang mga bosing..dami rin bang gumagamit ng linux sa Pinas? | 12:26 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: discounted exam sa UP. haha. yung mahal yung retake ko coz i flunked 202. grrr... would have been nice to have a flawless record. | 12:26 |
| Terminus- | redvil: lots of companies here use it. =) | 12:26 |
| Jucato | patago lang | 12:26 |
| Jucato | bwahaha | 12:27 |
| redvil | Terminus-: ah ok...mga 2 yrs pa lang kasi ako gumagamit ng linux.. | 12:27 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: i'm targetting RHCSA next fiscal year :) | 12:27 |
| Jucato | Terminus-: ah discount from UP? ayos ah | 12:27 |
| * Jucato wonders what level na si pusakat | 12:27 | |
| redvil | umpisa ako sa ubuntu...tapos ngayon Mint na gamit ko..pero nangangapa pa rin..hehehe | 12:27 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: yeah... the special exam they had last september. | 12:27 |
| Jucato | aaah | 12:28 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: i read that RHCSA and RHCE requirements aren't too different from LPI so i'm thinking of just buying a reviewer off amazon and taking them both at the same time. hehe | 12:28 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: i learned about it on the PLUG ML i think. | 12:28 |
| Jucato | ah buhay pa un? :D | 12:28 |
| Terminus- | yes. lol | 12:28 |
| Jucato | ah the ML. yeah buhay pa un | 12:29 |
| Jucato | post ka lang ng controversial topic, buhay na buhay na | 12:29 |
| Terminus- | hahaha | 12:29 |
| Jucato | hindi ka pa pagsasabihan kung offtopic >:) | 12:29 |
| Jucato | redvil: welcome to Linux, Free Software, and ubuntu (2 years too late) | 12:29 |
| Jucato | (2 years to late and welcome I mean) | 12:29 |
| redvil | Jucato: ano ba mga distro na gamit nyo? | 12:30 |
| Jucato | not-Ubuntu | 12:30 |
| * Jucato tago muna | 12:30 | |
| redvil | lumipat lng ako sa linux kasi panay crash at virus sa MS..kaka-badtrip | 12:30 |
| str0ng | i'm not using Ubuntu nowadays.. | 12:31 |
| Terminus- | i'm thinking about giving 12.04 a try when it goes alpha. biggest problem i have is the fact that taskjuggler seems to have disappeared from the repo due to the lack of a maintainer. OTOH, doesn't look to hard to package. | 12:31 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: haha. fedora? arch? slackware? =D | 12:31 |
| redvil | ubuntu lang kasi alam kong madali at pang-beginner | 12:32 |
| Terminus- | OTOH, you're a kde guy. the whole unity thing shouldn't be an issue for you. =P | 12:32 |
| Jucato | fedora | 12:32 |
| redvil | fedora di ba kde.? | 12:32 |
| Terminus- | ah... yeah. that'd be my choice if i had to do dev stuff. =) | 12:33 |
| Jucato | fedora. nah. the "default" is gnome too | 12:33 |
| redvil | ah ok... | 12:33 |
| redvil | kala ko kasi pag sa ibaba galing yung menu KDE...pag sa itaas galing Gnome.. | 12:33 |
| Terminus- | i tried booting F15 on my new setup. complained about an unsupported chipset. -_- | 12:34 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: try f16 :) | 12:34 |
| Jucato | for some reason, I'm still associated to Ubuntu, because of "duties" in ubuntu-ph >:) | 12:34 |
| redvil | baka lumipad yan pag F-16 :) | 12:34 |
| str0ng | Jucato: on the contrary, i'm not associated to anything hahahaha | 12:34 |
| Jucato | ("I tried booting Kubuntu on my new setup. complained about an unsupported community." bwahahah!) | 12:34 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: no reason to do so now. the only reason i was trying to boot F15 was because i was gonna use it to review for LPI. =D | 12:34 |
| Jucato | str0ng: you're beyond being associated with anything | 12:35 |
| Terminus- | ouch... O_o | 12:35 |
| Jucato | nag-level up ka na! | 12:35 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: ah yeah.. LPI is a little bit Redhat :) | 12:35 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: not really. it's vendor neutral. =) | 12:35 |
| str0ng | hehe | 12:35 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: ah ok.. | 12:35 |
| Terminus- | i just wanted something that was recent and wasn't ubuntu. XD | 12:36 |
| str0ng | Jucato: yeah, level up.. from janitor.. to plumber :) | 12:36 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: mamaya baka master plumber na? hehehe | 12:36 |
| redvil | mga bosing meron ba kayong alam na link for beginners in CLI? | 12:36 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: hahaha | 12:36 |
| Terminus- | redvil: linuxcommand.org | 12:36 |
| redvil | Terminus-: salamat..i'll check it out | 12:38 |
| str0ng | hehe.. mukhang magmumukhang Solaris na Linux | 12:38 |
| str0ng | hehe. | 12:38 |
| str0ng | systemd almost equal to SMF | 12:38 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: bakit? | 12:38 |
| Terminus- | oh... hehehe | 12:38 |
| Terminus- | speaking of which, i gotta give solaris 11 a try too. | 12:38 |
| Jucato | sayang hindi na port officially ang ZFS. rumor has it, it would have made something like Time Machine much easier on Linux ... rumor lang :) | 12:39 |
| str0ng | then, they're trying to get rid of /bin and /sbin put them all to /usr | 12:39 |
| Terminus- | not that i'll use solaris. the license for production use on non-oracle servers is a bit heavy. -_- | 12:39 |
| str0ng | to accomodate "containers" in the future.. :) SOlaris zone it is. | 12:39 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: you can still use zfs through fuse. =) | 12:39 |
| Jucato | Terminus-: hence the "officially" part :P | 12:39 |
| Terminus- | in any case, zfs on linux was never an option. btrfs lang. hehe | 12:39 |
| Terminus- | =) | 12:40 |
| Jucato | bitter fs :) | 12:40 |
| str0ng | hehe. | 12:40 |
| Terminus- | from butter to bitter? bwahahaha | 12:40 |
| Jucato | my friend had terrible I/O performance with btrfs, switched back to ext4 | 12:40 |
| str0ng | i'm just referring to Fedora.. | 12:40 |
| Jucato | from butter to better to bitter | 12:40 |
| Terminus- | so now we have insserv, upstart, and systemd. fun. =D | 12:41 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: yeah.. but.. looks like systemd is promising.. | 12:41 |
| Terminus- | oh... must not forget sysv. slackware still uses it. | 12:41 |
| str0ng | sysv is ancient :P | 12:41 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: yeah, i don't really mind which init system to use but systemd is nice. =) | 12:41 |
| Terminus- | s/mind/care/ | 12:41 |
| str0ng | already default in F16... and openSuse 12.1 i think.. | 12:42 |
| Terminus- | ugh... opensuse. XD | 12:42 |
| str0ng | the beauty of parallelizing :P | 12:43 |
| str0ng | hehe.. all about sockets and buses.. | 12:43 |
| Jucato | innserv? | 12:44 |
| str0ng | and systemd is inspired by?? anyone? | 12:44 |
| Jucato | by PulseAudio | 12:44 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: yeah... the one debian uses. | 12:44 |
| str0ng | Apple's MAC OSX launchd.... | 12:44 |
| Jucato | I read that the upstart developer is considering discontinuing it in favor of systemd | 12:45 |
| Terminus- | oh my... launchctl load. =P | 12:45 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: hehe.. systemctl it is! :) | 12:45 |
| Jucato | ah | 12:45 |
| str0ng | systemctl stats | 12:45 |
| * Jucato doesn't know OSX *whistles* | 12:45 | |
| str0ng | s/stats/status | 12:45 |
| Terminus- | i haven't looked at systemd so i wouldn't know. =D | 12:46 |
| Jucato | buti na lang may "backwards compatibility" support. ung mga dating chkconfig at service commands | 12:46 |
| Jucato | pag nag run ka, sasabihin "redirecting to systemctl blah blah" | 12:46 |
| Terminus- | well, doesn't make sense to not have a migration path. hehe | 12:47 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: if your planning to take RHCE.. looks like the new version is RH 6 or early 7, then i believe you should read that in advance ;) | 12:47 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: i'll just install centos 6. =) | 12:47 |
| str0ng | hehe | 12:47 |
| Terminus- | and yeah, current RHCE is based on RHEL 6. =) | 12:48 |
| str0ng | hehe.. | 12:48 |
| Terminus- | in any case, hands-on exam sounds nice. | 12:48 |
| str0ng | and oh....the beloved.. SELinux.. | 12:48 |
| Terminus- | oh that... i already make my own tes. =) | 12:49 |
| str0ng | hehe | 12:49 |
| str0ng | mukhang heavy sa SELinux yung RH6 exam | 12:49 |
| Terminus- | i haven't disabled selinux in a long time. hehe | 12:49 |
| str0ng | haha | 12:49 |
| Terminus- | most of the time it's just an sebool but occasionally, must dive deeper into audit.log. =D | 12:50 |
| Terminus- | s/sebool/setsebool/ | 12:50 |
| str0ng | I remember that... the easiest way to solve SELinux issues is to... setenfoce 0 | 12:50 |
| Terminus- | i just do a lot of testing then catch the stuff in audit.log. i used to just disable selinux though. hehe | 12:51 |
| Jucato | ah SELinux ... still don't know it's puprose. | 12:51 |
| Jucato | most users do :) | 12:51 |
| Jucato | (disable selinux) | 12:51 |
| str0ng | Jucato: "security" i guess :) | 12:51 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: MAC and RBAC. =) | 12:51 |
| Jucato | (it's also funded by the US NSA di ba? :) | 12:51 |
| str0ng | too much security.. nyahaha.. | 12:51 |
| str0ng | native unix permission + ACL + SELinux | 12:52 |
| Jucato | hindi ba native unix permission == ACL? | 12:52 |
| Terminus- | if you do anything funky with iptables/selinux, chmod -x setup system-config* && chattr +i setup system-config* to prevent accidents. =D | 12:52 |
| * Jucato hindi pa rin sanay sa mga proper ACL when it comes to web stuff | 12:53 | |
| Terminus- | i learned that the hard way... didn't have change management in place, trusted other admin to tread carefully, end result: data loss. =( | 12:53 |
| Terminus- | Jucato: nope. acl is different from unix perms. =) | 12:54 |
| Terminus- | acl == get/setfacl | 12:54 |
| Jucato | ah ok .. hm ... need to review then :) | 12:54 |
| Terminus- | acls are quite handy when you have samba joined to active directory. | 12:54 |
| Terminus- | especially when your profiles are stored on a samba server. =) | 12:54 |
| str0ng | yeah.. | 12:55 |
| str0ng | hmm.. | 12:56 |
| Terminus- | i gotta review how to make iscsi targets again. it was a fire and forget situation the last time i did it. | 12:56 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: would you know if there's an existing implementations of "containers" aka zones in Solaris for Linux? | 12:57 |
| Terminus- | str0ng: openvz is the closest. | 12:57 |
| str0ng | hmm.. ok.. | 12:58 |
| * str0ng googling.. | 12:59 | |
| Terminus- | str0ng: parallels virtuozzo is basically openvz IIRC. | 13:02 |
| str0ng | hmm.. | 13:02 |
| str0ng | the commercial one? | 13:02 |
| Terminus- | yeah. | 13:02 |
| str0ng | ah.. | 13:03 |
| Terminus- | i remember talking to a guy who claimed he used to work with the guy who headed it's development. he said it's basically a big, horrifying chroot hack underneath. lol | 13:04 |
| str0ng | ow.. haha | 13:05 |
| str0ng | yeah. contaienrs are just really like chroot | 13:06 |
| Terminus- | then again, aren't all "containers" just chroot hacks? =) | 13:06 |
| str0ng | though, I'm not sure if it's "shared"? | 13:06 |
| str0ng | hehe.. | 13:07 |
| Terminus- | well, they share the kernel. | 13:07 |
| str0ng | only the kernel? | 13:07 |
| str0ng | how about the tools? | 13:07 |
| str0ng | libs? | 13:07 |
| str0ng | zones, does that. | 13:08 |
| Terminus- | ni think they're separate. | 13:08 |
| str0ng | ah.. | 13:09 |
| Terminus- | i think installing multiple distros would be a problem if it wasn't separate. =) | 13:09 |
| str0ng | yeah.. make sense.. | 13:09 |
| str0ng | hmm.. | 13:12 |
| str0ng | hehe.. Shell is Evil! :) | 13:14 |
| str0ng | according to Lennart.. haha | 13:14 |
| Terminus- | anyway, i'm gonna go gaming. =D | 13:20 |
| str0ng | Terminus-: ayt! :) | 13:23 |
| Terminus- | see ya. =) | 13:23 |
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