[11:38] gud ibning!!! [12:17] tao po [12:22] evening. =) [12:22] Terminus-: :) good pm :) [12:22] heya str0ng =) [12:23] :) [12:23] kumusta? [12:23] uh... went a bit wild upgrading my gaming pc and now i'm trying to stop myself from buying skyrim, bf3, and dragon age ultimate. you? =) [12:24] haha [12:24] me.. hmm.. [12:24] well.. still busy learning stuffs.. [12:24] oooh! also, i passed LPIC-2. forgot about that. hehe [12:24] san ang tao? [12:25] Terminus-: oi.. nice! congrats! [12:25] Jucato: ewan ko. may tao ba dito? hehe [12:25] str0ng: thanks. =) [12:25] Terminus-: buti ka pa at marami ka nang certifications :) [12:25] still thinking about grabbing RHCSA and RHCE. hehe [12:25] meron ata eh [12:25] oh congrats :) [12:25] mahal ang LPI ehehe :P [12:25] thanks. =) [12:25] Terminus-: good! [12:26] tanong lang mga bosing..dami rin bang gumagamit ng linux sa Pinas? [12:26] Jucato: discounted exam sa UP. haha. yung mahal yung retake ko coz i flunked 202. grrr... would have been nice to have a flawless record. [12:26] redvil: lots of companies here use it. =) [12:26] patago lang [12:27] bwahaha [12:27] Terminus-: ah ok...mga 2 yrs pa lang kasi ako gumagamit ng linux.. [12:27] Terminus-: i'm targetting RHCSA next fiscal year :) [12:27] Terminus-: ah discount from UP? ayos ah [12:27] * Jucato wonders what level na si pusakat [12:27] umpisa ako sa ubuntu...tapos ngayon Mint na gamit ko..pero nangangapa pa rin..hehehe [12:27] Jucato: yeah... the special exam they had last september. [12:28] aaah [12:28] str0ng: i read that RHCSA and RHCE requirements aren't too different from LPI so i'm thinking of just buying a reviewer off amazon and taking them both at the same time. hehe [12:28] Jucato: i learned about it on the PLUG ML i think. [12:28] ah buhay pa un? :D [12:28] yes. lol [12:29] ah the ML. yeah buhay pa un [12:29] post ka lang ng controversial topic, buhay na buhay na [12:29] hahaha [12:29] hindi ka pa pagsasabihan kung offtopic >:) [12:29] redvil: welcome to Linux, Free Software, and ubuntu (2 years too late) [12:29] (2 years to late and welcome I mean) [12:30] Jucato: ano ba mga distro na gamit nyo? [12:30] not-Ubuntu [12:30] * Jucato tago muna [12:30] lumipat lng ako sa linux kasi panay crash at virus sa MS..kaka-badtrip [12:31] i'm not using Ubuntu nowadays.. [12:31] i'm thinking about giving 12.04 a try when it goes alpha. biggest problem i have is the fact that taskjuggler seems to have disappeared from the repo due to the lack of a maintainer. OTOH, doesn't look to hard to package. [12:31] Jucato: haha. fedora? arch? slackware? =D [12:32] ubuntu lang kasi alam kong madali at pang-beginner [12:32] OTOH, you're a kde guy. the whole unity thing shouldn't be an issue for you. =P [12:32] fedora [12:32] fedora di ba kde.? [12:33] ah... yeah. that'd be my choice if i had to do dev stuff. =) [12:33] fedora. nah. the "default" is gnome too [12:33] ah ok... [12:33] kala ko kasi pag sa ibaba galing yung menu KDE...pag sa itaas galing Gnome.. [12:34] i tried booting F15 on my new setup. complained about an unsupported chipset. -_- [12:34] Terminus-: try f16 :) [12:34] for some reason, I'm still associated to Ubuntu, because of "duties" in ubuntu-ph >:) [12:34] baka lumipad yan pag F-16 :) [12:34] Jucato: on the contrary, i'm not associated to anything hahahaha [12:34] ("I tried booting Kubuntu on my new setup. complained about an unsupported community." bwahahah!) [12:34] str0ng: no reason to do so now. the only reason i was trying to boot F15 was because i was gonna use it to review for LPI. =D [12:35] str0ng: you're beyond being associated with anything [12:35] ouch... O_o [12:35] nag-level up ka na! [12:35] Terminus-: ah yeah.. LPI is a little bit Redhat :) [12:35] str0ng: not really. it's vendor neutral. =) [12:35] hehe [12:35] Terminus-: ah ok.. [12:36] i just wanted something that was recent and wasn't ubuntu. XD [12:36] Jucato: yeah, level up.. from janitor.. to plumber :) [12:36] str0ng: mamaya baka master plumber na? hehehe [12:36] mga bosing meron ba kayong alam na link for beginners in CLI? [12:36] Terminus-: hahaha [12:36] redvil: linuxcommand.org [12:38] Terminus-: salamat..i'll check it out [12:38] hehe.. mukhang magmumukhang Solaris na Linux [12:38] hehe. [12:38] systemd almost equal to SMF [12:38] str0ng: bakit? [12:38] oh... hehehe [12:38] speaking of which, i gotta give solaris 11 a try too. [12:39] sayang hindi na port officially ang ZFS. rumor has it, it would have made something like Time Machine much easier on Linux ... rumor lang :) [12:39] then, they're trying to get rid of /bin and /sbin put them all to /usr [12:39] not that i'll use solaris. the license for production use on non-oracle servers is a bit heavy. -_- [12:39] to accomodate "containers" in the future.. :) SOlaris zone it is. [12:39] Jucato: you can still use zfs through fuse. =) [12:39] Terminus-: hence the "officially" part :P [12:39] in any case, zfs on linux was never an option. btrfs lang. hehe [12:40] =) [12:40] bitter fs :) [12:40] hehe. [12:40] from butter to bitter? bwahahaha [12:40] my friend had terrible I/O performance with btrfs, switched back to ext4 [12:40] i'm just referring to Fedora.. [12:40] from butter to better to bitter [12:41] so now we have insserv, upstart, and systemd. fun. =D [12:41] Terminus-: yeah.. but.. looks like systemd is promising.. [12:41] oh... must not forget sysv. slackware still uses it. [12:41] sysv is ancient :P [12:41] str0ng: yeah, i don't really mind which init system to use but systemd is nice. =) [12:41] s/mind/care/ [12:42] already default in F16... and openSuse 12.1 i think.. [12:42] ugh... opensuse. XD [12:43] the beauty of parallelizing :P [12:43] hehe.. all about sockets and buses.. [12:44] innserv? [12:44] and systemd is inspired by?? anyone? [12:44] by PulseAudio [12:44] Jucato: yeah... the one debian uses. [12:44] Apple's MAC OSX launchd.... [12:45] I read that the upstart developer is considering discontinuing it in favor of systemd [12:45] oh my... launchctl load. =P [12:45] Terminus-: hehe.. systemctl it is! :) [12:45] ah [12:45] systemctl stats [12:45] * Jucato doesn't know OSX *whistles* [12:45] s/stats/status [12:46] i haven't looked at systemd so i wouldn't know. =D [12:46] buti na lang may "backwards compatibility" support. ung mga dating chkconfig at service commands [12:46] pag nag run ka, sasabihin "redirecting to systemctl blah blah" [12:47] well, doesn't make sense to not have a migration path. hehe [12:47] Terminus-: if your planning to take RHCE.. looks like the new version is RH 6 or early 7, then i believe you should read that in advance ;) [12:47] str0ng: i'll just install centos 6. =) [12:47] hehe [12:48] and yeah, current RHCE is based on RHEL 6. =) [12:48] hehe.. [12:48] in any case, hands-on exam sounds nice. [12:48] and oh....the beloved.. SELinux.. [12:49] oh that... i already make my own tes. =) [12:49] hehe [12:49] mukhang heavy sa SELinux yung RH6 exam [12:49] i haven't disabled selinux in a long time. hehe [12:49] haha [12:50] most of the time it's just an sebool but occasionally, must dive deeper into audit.log. =D [12:50] s/sebool/setsebool/ [12:50] I remember that... the easiest way to solve SELinux issues is to... setenfoce 0 [12:51] i just do a lot of testing then catch the stuff in audit.log. i used to just disable selinux though. hehe [12:51] ah SELinux ... still don't know it's puprose. [12:51] most users do :) [12:51] (disable selinux) [12:51] Jucato: "security" i guess :) [12:51] Jucato: MAC and RBAC. =) [12:51] (it's also funded by the US NSA di ba? :) [12:51] too much security.. nyahaha.. [12:52] native unix permission + ACL + SELinux [12:52] hindi ba native unix permission == ACL? [12:52] if you do anything funky with iptables/selinux, chmod -x setup system-config* && chattr +i setup system-config* to prevent accidents. =D [12:53] * Jucato hindi pa rin sanay sa mga proper ACL when it comes to web stuff [12:53] i learned that the hard way... didn't have change management in place, trusted other admin to tread carefully, end result: data loss. =( [12:54] Jucato: nope. acl is different from unix perms. =) [12:54] acl == get/setfacl [12:54] ah ok .. hm ... need to review then :) [12:54] acls are quite handy when you have samba joined to active directory. [12:54] especially when your profiles are stored on a samba server. =) [12:55] yeah.. [12:56] hmm.. [12:56] i gotta review how to make iscsi targets again. it was a fire and forget situation the last time i did it. [12:57] Terminus-: would you know if there's an existing implementations of "containers" aka zones in Solaris for Linux? [12:57] str0ng: openvz is the closest. [12:58] hmm.. ok.. [12:59] * str0ng googling.. [13:02] str0ng: parallels virtuozzo is basically openvz IIRC. [13:02] hmm.. [13:02] the commercial one? [13:02] yeah. [13:03] ah.. [13:04] i remember talking to a guy who claimed he used to work with the guy who headed it's development. he said it's basically a big, horrifying chroot hack underneath. lol [13:05] ow.. haha [13:06] yeah. contaienrs are just really like chroot [13:06] then again, aren't all "containers" just chroot hacks? =) [13:06] though, I'm not sure if it's "shared"? [13:07] hehe.. [13:07] well, they share the kernel. [13:07] only the kernel? [13:07] how about the tools? [13:07] libs? [13:08] zones, does that. [13:08] ni think they're separate. [13:09] ah.. [13:09] i think installing multiple distros would be a problem if it wasn't separate. =) [13:09] yeah.. make sense.. [13:12] hmm.. [13:14] hehe.. Shell is Evil! :) [13:14] according to Lennart.. haha [13:20] anyway, i'm gonna go gaming. =D [13:23] Terminus-: ayt! :) [13:23] see ya. =)