[11:38] <redvil> gud ibning!!!
[12:17] <redvil> tao po
[12:22] <Terminus-> evening. =)
[12:22] <str0ng> Terminus-: :) good pm :)
[12:22] <Terminus-> heya str0ng =)
[12:23] <str0ng> :)
[12:23] <str0ng> kumusta?
[12:23] <Terminus-> uh... went a bit wild upgrading my gaming pc and now i'm trying to stop myself from buying skyrim, bf3, and dragon age ultimate. you? =)
[12:24] <str0ng> haha
[12:24] <str0ng> me.. hmm..
[12:24] <str0ng> well.. still busy learning stuffs..
[12:24] <Terminus-> oooh! also, i passed LPIC-2. forgot about that. hehe
[12:24] <Jucato> san ang tao?
[12:25] <str0ng> Terminus-: oi.. nice! congrats!
[12:25] <Terminus-> Jucato: ewan ko. may tao ba dito? hehe
[12:25] <Terminus-> str0ng: thanks. =)
[12:25] <str0ng> Terminus-: buti ka pa at marami ka nang certifications :)
[12:25] <Terminus-> still thinking about grabbing RHCSA and RHCE. hehe
[12:25] <Jucato> meron ata eh
[12:25] <Jucato> oh congrats :)
[12:25] <Jucato> mahal ang LPI ehehe :P
[12:25] <Terminus-> thanks. =)
[12:25] <str0ng> Terminus-: good!
[12:26] <redvil> tanong lang mga bosing..dami rin bang gumagamit ng linux sa Pinas?
[12:26] <Terminus-> Jucato: discounted exam sa UP. haha. yung mahal yung retake ko coz i flunked 202. grrr... would have been nice to have a flawless record.
[12:26] <Terminus-> redvil: lots of companies here use it. =)
[12:26] <Jucato> patago lang
[12:27] <Jucato> bwahaha
[12:27] <redvil> Terminus-: ah ok...mga 2 yrs pa lang kasi ako gumagamit ng linux..
[12:27] <str0ng> Terminus-: i'm targetting RHCSA next fiscal year :)
[12:27] <Jucato> Terminus-: ah discount from UP? ayos ah
[12:27]  * Jucato wonders what level na si pusakat
[12:27] <redvil> umpisa ako sa ubuntu...tapos ngayon Mint na gamit ko..pero nangangapa pa rin..hehehe
[12:27] <Terminus-> Jucato: yeah... the special exam they had last september.
[12:28] <Jucato> aaah
[12:28] <Terminus-> str0ng: i read that RHCSA and RHCE requirements aren't too different from LPI so i'm thinking of just buying a reviewer off amazon and taking them both at the same time. hehe
[12:28] <Terminus-> Jucato: i learned about it on the PLUG ML i think.
[12:28] <Jucato> ah buhay pa un? :D
[12:28] <Terminus-> yes. lol
[12:29] <Jucato> ah the ML. yeah buhay pa un
[12:29] <Jucato> post ka lang ng controversial topic, buhay na buhay na
[12:29] <Terminus-> hahaha
[12:29] <Jucato> hindi ka pa pagsasabihan kung offtopic >:)
[12:29] <Jucato> redvil: welcome to Linux, Free Software, and ubuntu (2 years too late)
[12:29] <Jucato> (2 years to late and welcome I mean)
[12:30] <redvil> Jucato: ano ba mga distro na gamit nyo?
[12:30] <Jucato> not-Ubuntu
[12:30]  * Jucato tago muna
[12:30] <redvil> lumipat lng ako sa linux kasi panay crash at virus sa MS..kaka-badtrip
[12:31] <str0ng> i'm not using Ubuntu nowadays..
[12:31] <Terminus-> i'm thinking about giving 12.04 a try when it goes alpha. biggest problem i have is the fact that taskjuggler seems to have disappeared from the repo due to the lack of a maintainer. OTOH, doesn't look to hard to package.
[12:31] <Terminus-> Jucato: haha. fedora? arch? slackware? =D
[12:32] <redvil> ubuntu lang kasi alam kong madali at pang-beginner
[12:32] <Terminus-> OTOH, you're a kde guy. the whole unity thing shouldn't be an issue for you. =P
[12:32] <Jucato> fedora
[12:32] <redvil> fedora di ba kde.?
[12:33] <Terminus-> ah... yeah. that'd be my choice if i had to do dev stuff. =)
[12:33] <Jucato> fedora. nah. the "default" is gnome too
[12:33] <redvil> ah ok...
[12:33] <redvil> kala ko kasi pag sa ibaba galing yung menu KDE...pag sa itaas galing Gnome..
[12:34] <Terminus-> i tried booting F15 on my new setup. complained about an unsupported chipset. -_-
[12:34] <str0ng> Terminus-: try f16 :)
[12:34] <Jucato> for some reason, I'm still associated to Ubuntu, because of "duties" in ubuntu-ph >:)
[12:34] <redvil> baka lumipad yan pag F-16 :)
[12:34] <str0ng> Jucato: on the contrary, i'm not associated to anything hahahaha
[12:34] <Jucato> ("I tried booting Kubuntu on my new setup. complained about an unsupported community." bwahahah!)
[12:34] <Terminus-> str0ng: no reason to do so now. the only reason i was trying to boot F15 was because i was gonna use it to review for LPI. =D
[12:35] <Jucato> str0ng: you're beyond being associated with anything
[12:35] <Terminus-> ouch... O_o
[12:35] <Jucato> nag-level up ka na!
[12:35] <str0ng> Terminus-: ah yeah.. LPI is a little bit Redhat :)
[12:35] <Terminus-> str0ng: not really. it's vendor neutral. =)
[12:35] <str0ng> hehe
[12:35] <str0ng> Terminus-: ah ok.. 
[12:36] <Terminus-> i just wanted something that was recent and wasn't ubuntu. XD
[12:36] <str0ng> Jucato: yeah, level up.. from janitor.. to plumber :)
[12:36] <Terminus-> str0ng: mamaya baka master plumber na? hehehe
[12:36] <redvil> mga bosing meron ba kayong alam na link for beginners in CLI?
[12:36] <str0ng> Terminus-:  hahaha
[12:36] <Terminus-> redvil: linuxcommand.org
[12:38] <redvil> Terminus-: salamat..i'll check it out
[12:38] <str0ng> hehe.. mukhang magmumukhang Solaris na Linux 
[12:38] <str0ng> hehe.
[12:38] <str0ng> systemd almost equal to SMF
[12:38] <Terminus-> str0ng: bakit?
[12:38] <Terminus-> oh... hehehe
[12:38] <Terminus-> speaking of which, i gotta give solaris 11 a try too.
[12:39] <Jucato> sayang hindi na port officially ang ZFS. rumor has it, it would have made something like Time Machine much easier on Linux ... rumor lang :)
[12:39] <str0ng> then, they're trying to get rid of /bin and /sbin put them all to /usr 
[12:39] <Terminus-> not that i'll use solaris. the license for production use on non-oracle servers is a bit heavy. -_-
[12:39] <str0ng> to accomodate "containers" in the future.. :) SOlaris zone it is.
[12:39] <Terminus-> Jucato: you can still use zfs through fuse. =)
[12:39] <Jucato> Terminus-: hence the "officially" part :P
[12:39] <Terminus-> in any case, zfs on linux was never an option. btrfs lang. hehe
[12:40] <Terminus-> =)
[12:40] <Jucato> bitter fs :)
[12:40] <str0ng> hehe.
[12:40] <Terminus-> from butter to bitter? bwahahaha
[12:40] <Jucato> my friend had terrible I/O performance with btrfs, switched back to ext4
[12:40] <str0ng> i'm just referring to Fedora..
[12:40] <Jucato> from butter to better to bitter
[12:41] <Terminus-> so now we have insserv, upstart, and systemd. fun. =D
[12:41] <str0ng> Terminus-:  yeah.. but.. looks like systemd is promising..
[12:41] <Terminus-> oh... must not forget sysv. slackware still uses it.
[12:41] <str0ng> sysv is ancient :P
[12:41] <Terminus-> str0ng: yeah, i don't really mind which init system to use but systemd is nice. =)
[12:41] <Terminus-> s/mind/care/
[12:42] <str0ng> already default in F16... and openSuse 12.1 i think..
[12:42] <Terminus-> ugh... opensuse. XD
[12:43] <str0ng> the beauty of parallelizing :P
[12:43] <str0ng> hehe.. all about sockets and buses..
[12:44] <Jucato> innserv?
[12:44] <str0ng> and systemd is inspired by?? anyone?
[12:44] <Jucato> by PulseAudio
[12:44] <Terminus-> Jucato: yeah... the one debian uses.
[12:44] <str0ng> Apple's MAC OSX launchd....
[12:45] <Jucato> I read that the upstart developer is considering discontinuing it in favor of systemd
[12:45] <Terminus-> oh my... launchctl load. =P
[12:45] <str0ng> Terminus-: hehe.. systemctl it is! :)
[12:45] <Jucato> ah
[12:45] <str0ng> systemctl stats
[12:45]  * Jucato doesn't know OSX *whistles*
[12:45] <str0ng> s/stats/status
[12:46] <Terminus-> i haven't looked at systemd so i wouldn't know. =D
[12:46] <Jucato> buti na lang may "backwards compatibility" support. ung mga dating chkconfig at service commands
[12:46] <Jucato> pag nag run ka, sasabihin "redirecting to systemctl blah blah"
[12:47] <Terminus-> well, doesn't make sense to not have a migration path. hehe
[12:47] <str0ng> Terminus-: if your planning to take RHCE.. looks like the new version is RH 6 or early 7, then i believe you should read that in advance ;)
[12:47] <Terminus-> str0ng: i'll just install centos 6. =)
[12:47] <str0ng> hehe
[12:48] <Terminus-> and yeah, current RHCE is based on RHEL 6. =)
[12:48] <str0ng> hehe..
[12:48] <Terminus-> in any case, hands-on exam sounds nice.
[12:48] <str0ng> and oh....the beloved.. SELinux..
[12:49] <Terminus-> oh that... i already make my own tes. =)
[12:49] <str0ng> hehe
[12:49] <str0ng> mukhang heavy sa SELinux yung RH6 exam
[12:49] <Terminus-> i haven't disabled selinux in a long time. hehe
[12:49] <str0ng> haha
[12:50] <Terminus-> most of the time it's just an sebool but occasionally, must dive deeper into audit.log. =D
[12:50] <Terminus-> s/sebool/setsebool/
[12:50] <str0ng> I remember that... the easiest way to solve SELinux issues is to... setenfoce 0
[12:51] <Terminus-> i just do a lot of testing then catch the stuff in audit.log. i used to just disable selinux though. hehe
[12:51] <Jucato> ah SELinux ... still don't know it's puprose. 
[12:51] <Jucato> most users do :)
[12:51] <Jucato> (disable selinux)
[12:51] <str0ng> Jucato: "security" i guess :)
[12:51] <Terminus-> Jucato: MAC and RBAC. =)
[12:51] <Jucato> (it's also funded by the US NSA di ba? :)
[12:51] <str0ng> too much security.. nyahaha..
[12:52] <str0ng> native unix permission + ACL + SELinux 
[12:52] <Jucato> hindi ba native unix permission == ACL?
[12:52] <Terminus-> if you do anything funky with iptables/selinux, chmod -x setup system-config* && chattr +i setup system-config* to prevent accidents. =D
[12:53]  * Jucato hindi pa rin sanay sa mga proper ACL when it comes to web stuff
[12:53] <Terminus-> i learned that the hard way... didn't have change management in place, trusted other admin to tread carefully, end result: data loss. =(
[12:54] <Terminus-> Jucato: nope. acl is different from unix perms. =)
[12:54] <Terminus-> acl == get/setfacl
[12:54] <Jucato> ah ok .. hm ... need to review then :)
[12:54] <Terminus-> acls are quite handy when you have samba joined to active directory.
[12:54] <Terminus-> especially when your profiles are stored on a samba server. =)
[12:55] <str0ng> yeah..
[12:56] <str0ng> hmm..
[12:56] <Terminus-> i gotta review how to make iscsi targets again. it was a fire and forget situation the last time i did it.
[12:57] <str0ng> Terminus-: would you know if there's an existing implementations of "containers" aka zones in Solaris for Linux?
[12:57] <Terminus-> str0ng: openvz is the closest.
[12:58] <str0ng> hmm.. ok..
[12:59]  * str0ng googling..
[13:02] <Terminus-> str0ng: parallels virtuozzo is basically openvz IIRC.
[13:02] <str0ng> hmm..
[13:02] <str0ng> the commercial one?
[13:02] <Terminus-> yeah.
[13:03] <str0ng> ah..
[13:04] <Terminus-> i remember talking to a guy who claimed he used to work with the guy who headed it's development. he said it's basically a big, horrifying chroot hack underneath. lol
[13:05] <str0ng> ow.. haha
[13:06] <str0ng> yeah. contaienrs are just really like chroot
[13:06] <Terminus-> then again, aren't all "containers" just chroot hacks? =)
[13:06] <str0ng> though, I'm not sure if it's "shared"?
[13:07] <str0ng> hehe.. 
[13:07] <Terminus-> well, they share the kernel.
[13:07] <str0ng> only the kernel?
[13:07] <str0ng> how about the tools?
[13:07] <str0ng> libs?
[13:08] <str0ng> zones, does that.
[13:08] <Terminus-> ni think they're separate.
[13:09] <str0ng> ah..
[13:09] <Terminus-> i think installing multiple distros would be a problem if it wasn't separate. =)
[13:09] <str0ng> yeah.. make sense..
[13:12] <str0ng> hmm..
[13:14] <str0ng> hehe.. Shell is Evil! :)
[13:14] <str0ng> according to Lennart.. haha
[13:20] <Terminus-> anyway, i'm gonna go gaming. =D
[13:23] <str0ng> Terminus-: ayt! :)
[13:23] <Terminus-> see ya. =)