[07:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning, Alan, Morning Alan and Good Morning everyone (To be said out load in the voice of Lionel Blue).
[08:05] <popey> Heh
[08:22] <DJones> Morning all
[08:37] <awilkins> Oh what a lovely traffic jam.
[08:39] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/287638-scroll-essential-tablet-pc-53511
[08:39] <popey> el cheapo tablet in my ebuyer spam this morning
[08:39] <popey> 1080p playback and hdmi out
[08:40]  * AlanBell thinks popey is like this with tablets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTwcCVajAc
[08:41] <AlanBell> you can't hug them all, but that one does look rather nice with the 2GB ram
[08:41] <popey> more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4&feature=related
[08:42] <AlanBell> oh, 2GB of SD, only 256MB ram
[08:42] <AlanBell> don't want to hug that one
[08:43] <popey> hah
[08:44] <DJones> Interesting tablet you've just linked on twitter, very good price, just looking for some reviews
[08:45] <DJones> Storage Options is launching the product in time for Christmas and the new unit has already proved extremely popular with gadget enthusiasts and will be featuring on Channel 5’s the Gadget Show on 21st November 2011
[08:45] <DJones> Will have to give that a watch tonight
[08:45] <popey> heh
[08:45] <popey> for nothing else as a little media player it might be useful
[08:45] <popey> if you kill all background stuff
[08:46] <DJones> Been debating about a kindle or a tablet for christmas, mostly for book reading, but maybe a bit of browsing & otehr android apps.  Memory looks a bit low at 256Mb ram though
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> If it is appropriate I'd suggest you look at the Nook (Barnes & Noble) who should be applauded (IMHO) for their stand against stupid software patents.
[08:49] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm looking at that one and the one for sale in WH Smiths
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> They really are taking on MS et al, rather well.
[08:50] <DJones> Hmmh, 256Mb ram, 2Gb builtin memory (+ I think micro sd) for the cheap scroll
[08:50] <popey> 70 quid is very cheap for a tablet device
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can also put CM7 on the Nook if you feel hard enough ;-)
[08:50] <popey> wow, 20 have sold since I posted that link
[08:51] <awilkins> I just want a half decent family laptop
[08:51] <DJones> Even their top of the range is only £109.99
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> They will all be on eBay in the next few days for ~£100
[08:51] <popey> 4 hour battery ⍨
[08:52] <DJones> Its not bad for a cheaop tablet, although the screen is a bit small for my liking
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: ⍤
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: wow, that unicode block is full of win :)
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> ⍢
[08:59] <daubers> Morning
[09:10] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:10] <bigcalm> Good morning alive beings :)
[09:11] <Myrtti> $timeofday
[09:12] <popey_> !ping
[09:12] <lubotu3`> another contentless ping... sigh...
[09:12]  * bigcalm flippers popey
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> eww?
[09:12] <bigcalm> Hard to say, MartijnVdS
[09:23] <andylockran> hey guys
[09:23] <andylockran> morning popey
[09:23] <wintellect> o/
[09:23] <andylockran> quick question regarding OSX/Ubuntu.  I would like to get an OSX Machine and RemoteDesktop into it from Ubuntu clients.  Can anyone recommend the best way to do this?
[09:24] <ging> x2x might work on OSX
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> OSX2OSX?
[09:31] <andylockran> I'd like to use the OSX machine as the server
[09:32] <JamesTait> Happy Monday!
[09:33]  * mattt stares at JamesTait
[09:33] <JamesTait> mattt: If I say it enough times, I'll start to believe it.
[09:35] <mattt> JamesTait: haha, whatever works for you :D
[09:38] <JamesTait> mattt: That remains to be seen. :-P
[09:41] <gord> andylockran, any osx applications that support the vnc protocol should work fine
[09:46] <bigcalm> Anybody here use Cybersource?
[09:55] <andylockran> gord: they just seem a little bit slow.
[09:55] <andylockran> gord: would it allow multi-users simultaneously?
[09:56] <gord> andylockran, i doubt it very much
[10:01] <Jungli> ubantards
[10:03] <MooDoo> what?
[10:03] <Jungli> hehhe kidding
[10:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer haz Coffee and an Ecclefechan Tart!
[10:08]  * daubers tries to make sure he has all the kit he needs for a brief foray into the outskirts of London
[10:09] <DJones> daubers: Map, emergency rations, water, safety gear & rescue srvices on speed dial ?
[10:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning
[10:12] <RJAHILL> @andylockran - OSX has a vnc server buit in. go to preferences, sharing, Remote management. click Computer Settings and configure a password
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:17] <daubers> DJones: Shotgun, satellite phone to get me the hell out :)
[10:17] <daubers> You know, just the essentials
[10:21] <DJones> daubers: I was thinking aling the lines of the shotgun :)
[10:22] <DJones> Must admit, I don't like "Citys", too crowded for me
[10:23] <kirrus> DJones: don't you mean cities? I know exactly what you mean, though. Left london after a year there, glad to.
[10:23] <daubers> right
[10:24]  * daubers heads off
[10:24] <DJones> kirrus: Yep, good spot
[10:24]  * popey would have suggsted daubers re-read http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/CarSurvivalKit
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> "Laminated pictures of rod"?
[10:28] <DJones> "Ladies of the night/Daviey/Creme Eggs/Apple Pie"  I don't even want to think how Daviey gets into that category
[10:29] <andylockran> RJAHILL: yeah,  I'm using the builtin server - from osx machine it's great (even over wifi) - but from Ubuntu it's death.
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: he made the apple pie
[10:30] <DJones> :)
[10:46] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:47] <Myrtti> popey: if the list lacks "a Finn" it's not complete
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> Humans don't have finns ;)
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> uhr fins ;)
[10:49] <MooDoo> have you lot gone nuts this morning?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: maybe we were nuts all along!
[10:50] <Myrtti> I'm a pecan nut
[10:50] <Myrtti> popey is a hazelnut
[10:50] <Myrtti> MooDoo: you can be a pecan nut
[10:50] <Myrtti> :-D
[10:50] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:51] <MooDoo> Myrtti: with my head then yes lol
[10:51] <Myrtti> or a ... what's the thing
[10:51] <popey> I'd prefer to be a macadamia tbh
[10:51] <Myrtti> mmmm macadamia
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> not a pistachio?
[10:51] <Myrtti> chomp
[10:51] <Myrtti> roasted and salted macadamias ♥
[10:51] <Myrtti> MooDoo: walnut!
[10:51] <MooDoo> yum
[10:56] <dogmatic69> damn... 1.2Ghz usb stick http://www.helloandroid.com/content/cotton-candy-dual-core-android-powerhouse-usb
[10:58] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: yeah $200 dollars though
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[10:59] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: not to bad really, that is some micro tech and pretty fast
[10:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, proddity, prod
[10:59] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: better than most $200 phones you will buy
[10:59] <Myrtti> I had forgotten how nice a piece of toast with only cucumer tastes like
[10:59] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: she's silent again
[10:59] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: she's working
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: i gathered
[11:00] <AlanBell> working hard or hardly working
[11:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: I just get my prods in while czajkowski can't reply then by the time she can I'm offline Muhahahaahahah
[11:00] <MooDoo> ooo eviil
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: he're the prods from czajkowski then "prod prod prod prod prod x100 to make up for all yours"
[11:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: I wouldn't worry it's czajkowski she gets her own back ;)
[11:08] <mattt> http://www.openculture.com/freeonlinecourses
[11:23] <mattt> can anyone recommend a python bot?  similiar to ruby's rbot?
[11:27] <kirrus> mattt: phenny?
[11:32] <diplo> Morning all
[11:32] <diplo> I've been asked by work to get software for Bug tracking/Call logging/Assett Management together
[11:33] <diplo> What I'd like to do is integrate a lot of these systems, any one got any recommendations
[11:33] <diplo> ?
[11:33] <DJones> mattt: Is supybot python?
[11:33] <DJones> mattt: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/index.php?title=Supybot_Install_Guide
[11:46] <dogmatic69> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mi80x/give_me_that_one_command_you_wish_you_knew_years/
[11:46] <Laney> hi thar
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> <() and >()
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> I wish I knew about those long a go
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> "Process Substitution" in the bash manual, for interested people :)
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. the "Serve this directory + children over HTTP" - python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080
[11:56] <mattt> DJones: hehe, already installed that ... thanks :P
[11:56] <mattt> kirrus: went w/ supybot, will check out phenny if it doesn't pan out
[12:01] <DJones> mattt: This may be helpful as well for configuration, http://ubottu.com/guide/ or various things it does, the ubuntu bots are based on supybot
[12:17] <mattt> DJones: brilliant, thanks!
[12:24] <davmor2> gord: I just put in a request for most of December off I'm just awaiting the reply now :D
[12:25] <brobostigon> question, best way to put a *.img designed for usb boot, would still be dd ?
[12:26] <monsterwizard> I'm so interesting ina a lot of things
[12:27] <monsterwizard> there's so little time to do everything
[12:27] <monsterwizard> all I want to do is read about science and electronics
[12:27] <monsterwizard> that's al I want tbh
[12:27] <monsterwizard> and that's all I do in my spare time
[12:27] <monsterwizard> but I want to do it allll
[12:27] <monsterwizard> I want to do more
[12:31] <davmor2> brobostigon: Take the over whelming silence to mean yes ;)
[12:31] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, i would agree.
[12:33] <ali1234> what others ways are there?
[12:34] <ali1234> btw all ubuntu images are hybrid-iso now, which means you can dd them
[12:34] <ali1234> no need for image creator or unetbootin
[12:34] <DJones> I'm glad my phone isn't due for renewal until next year, this looks an interesting prediction/possibility http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43148/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-2012
[12:34] <andylockran> :)
[12:34] <mattt> DJones: sweet, all good to go w/ SSL using twisted
[12:34] <brobostigon> i was thinking about minix not ubuntu,
[12:34] <AlanBell> that is interesting
[12:35] <ali1234> minix srsly?
[12:36] <brobostigon> ali1234: yes, simply for research, into its microkernel properties, and similiarities in design to BeOS and haiku, which are also microkernels.
[12:40] <ali1234> http://www.ebuyer.com/272786-synology-rs411-1u-8tb-nas-rack-solution-rs411-8tb vs http://www.ebuyer.com/268341-qnap-ts-412u-8tb-1u-rack-nas-solution-ts-412u-8tb
[12:40] <ali1234> vs something else?
[12:41] <ali1234> anyone got any advice on these?
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> Synology++
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> (but that's because I have several and LOVE their software)
[12:43] <ali1234> really? they are cheapest too
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> because it's the '11 model
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> and the 412 will be coming out soonish
[12:49] <andylockran> does anyone use AWS for hosting their DNS ?  route53 ?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> I use gandi.net -- I get my domains there too
[12:54] <Myrtti> YIKES
[12:54] <Myrtti> google plus just added everyone I've got in my Google circles into my Google Talk roster
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: it does offer an opt-out
[12:55] <Myrtti> I read it but didn't quite understand what it meant
[12:56] <Myrtti> /o\
[13:06] <andylockran> does anyone use AWS for hosting their DNS ?  route53 ?
[13:08] <kirrus> andylockran: I guess that's a no :)
[13:09] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: because privacy should totally be an opt-out thing rather than an opt-in? ;-)
[13:15] <Myrtti> Pendulum: it was opt-in, but now I can't find opt-out
[13:17] <AlanBell> is google talk something different to the chat thing and the hangout thing and the huddle thing?
[13:18] <Myrtti> AlanBell: well up to recently the chat widget in gmail and g+ has been accessible via any XMPP client
[13:19] <Myrtti> and still is
[13:19] <Myrtti> now I've just got a person I accidentally approved to chat :-<
[13:21] <Myrtti> oh man
[13:21] <AlanBell> never really figured out the chat thing, I can't see how to add people
[13:22] <AlanBell> looks like I can chat to MartijnVdS, Stephane Graber (who I don't really know) and Bilal Akhtar for some reason, thats it
[13:22] <Myrtti> alright, managed to figure it out
[13:22] <Myrtti> I can choose all, some or none of the circles
[13:23] <AlanBell> does that just mean that the 268 other people in my circles don't use chat or something?
[13:23] <Pendulum> AlanBell: they either get added automatically from your contacts or if you have gmail open, there's a little down arrow to the right of the Chat heading that you can click and will give you the option (at least in the old setup)
[13:23] <Myrtti> and selecting none doesn't remove the people I've had in both g+ and gtalk
[13:23] <Pendulum> Myrtti: where's the setting?
[13:23] <Myrtti> Pendulum: right side of the Chat -title, little pulldown arrow, privacy settings
[13:24] <AlanBell> aah, right you have to use gmail web client contacts for it to work
[13:25] <Pendulum> Myrtti: odd, gives me settings, but not privacy settings
[13:26] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/PfpE7Dqrfxf
[13:27] <Myrtti> I've got it right underneath
[13:27] <AlanBell> how did you add the circles to chat?
[13:28] <AlanBell> wonder if this is something being selectively rolled out to special people first
[13:28] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I just refreshed and I was prompted
[13:31] <AlanBell> OK, I will wait for that to happen I guess
[13:32] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi
[13:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: ^ see
[13:33] <davmor2> lo czajkowski
[13:33]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 sup
[13:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: nothing you prod
[13:34] <czajkowski> I'm not a prod
[13:34]  * czajkowski goes back to work 
[13:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski: mwah! missed ya!
[13:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't worry czajkowski will be back latter to annoy me I'm sure :)
[13:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: good :)
[13:49] <Myrtti> uuueerrrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dlUi3DnrzA
[13:53] <ali1234> yeah that's going to turn out really well when i'm doing some soldering
[13:54] <popey> lol
[13:54] <popey> love the way they fade it out just as he's about to use the keyboard
[13:54] <popey> bet that doesnt work
[13:54] <davmor2> popey: haha
[13:55] <davmor2> popey: worse than that they haven't enable multi-touch yet so it sounds like a stylo-phone
[14:01] <ali1234> i just don't think it will fit my workflow http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/desk.jpg
[14:09] <popey> \o/ altoids
[14:10] <bigcalm> popey: remember that site I keep pestering you with?
[14:10] <bigcalm> It's now live
[14:12] <popey> \o/
[14:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: WooHoo
[14:13] <bigcalm> I will say nothing about the design, but it "works" now
[14:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[14:16] <ali1234> popey: can i have a beta invite for trublr please?
[14:18] <popey> ali1234: sure, I'll sort that out shortly, I need to update my package etc
[16:38] <oimon> can anyone recommend a feed reader that syncs with google reader? liferea doesn't , and rssowl is super slow java klunkyness
[16:38] <directhex> blam?
[16:43] <popey> ☹  my cpu keeps overheating
[16:43] <popey> well, hits a threshold
[16:43] <popey> Nov 21 16:28:02 localhost kernel: [326407.708449] CPU0: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 26617717)
[16:43] <popey> Nov 21 16:28:02 localhost kernel: [326407.708930] CPU0: Core temperature/speed normal
[16:43] <popey> I get that quite a bit when it hits 80 degrees c
[16:44] <gord> does this crazy new google+ talk thing affect all gtalk like things?
[16:44] <gord> or just the google+ widget
[16:44] <MooDoo> gord all
[16:44] <MooDoo> gord: just had them all appear in pidgin :)
[16:44] <oimon> YAY..liferea latest version supports google reader, despite the dev saying it wouldn't happen
[16:45] <gord> popey, how i solved that problem, http://www.ebuyer.com/264011-corsair-hydro-series-h60-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-cwch60 - never see my cpu above 40 now :) mostly < 30
[16:45] <gord> plus, nice and quiet
[16:46] <gord> oimon, is that latest version in the repos?
[16:46] <popey> oooooo
[16:46] <oimon> i'm on lucid gord so i'm not sure
[16:46] <oimon> 1.7+ is required
[16:46] <popey> gord: what cpu do you use that on?
[16:46] <oimon> !info liferea
[16:46] <lubotu3`> liferea (source: liferea): feed aggregator for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.4-1ubuntu7 (natty), package size 225 kB, installed size 764 kB
[16:46] <gord> popey, some i7 variant, not sandybridge
[16:46] <gord> quad core
[16:46] <oimon> bah, still uses natty :(
[16:47] <popey> my old desktop only has c2d
[16:47] <popey> but then my i7 should be fixed tomorrow when engineer comes, so could use it on that
[16:47] <gord> it comes with an adapter so it works on a lot of cpu/motherboard combinations
[16:47] <popey> ooooo
[16:47]  * popey gets two
[16:47] <gord> liquid cooling sounds crazy, but now that i use it, going back to loud fans, that sounds crazy
[16:47] <popey> coolio
[16:50] <popey> \o/
[16:50] <popey> done
[16:51] <gord> :) you might not need this, turns out i did though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO9APx2yKrg
[16:54] <oimon> did amazon mp3s go up in price? or were they always 79p?
[16:59] <directhex> popey, this is your cheapo ebuyer pc?
[17:04] <DJones> Any iphone/ipad owners looking for cheap games http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43156/gameloft-unveils-biggest-ever-sale
[17:05] <popey> directhex: overheating no
[17:05] <popey> directhex: the cheapo ebuyer one went phut ☺
[17:06] <popey> engineer coming tomorrow
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/980/ the total perspective vortex
[17:55] <AlanBell> everything you do, ever, is entirely economically insignificant
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> ooh with google maps-y interface
[17:56] <AlanBell> it is a spectacular bit of work that
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> it has jokes too
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> ("J.K. Rowling had she become a rapper"
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> ("50 cent, adjusted for inflation")
[18:49] <jutnux> Evening ladies.
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Oh sure, ignore the men.
[18:51] <jutnux> I meant that :(
[18:54] <jutnux> I believe it is Toast Sandwich o' clock in 40 minutes.
[19:10] <Myrtti> harumph
[19:10] <Myrtti> I thought Ubuntu membership gave access to LWN
[19:15] <czajkowski> hmm so did I
[19:15] <awilkins> :@
[19:16] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/LWN
[19:16] <AlanBell> haven't bothered registering myself
[19:17] <Myrtti> I've done that years ago
[19:17] <AlanBell> does it not work?
[19:17] <Myrtti> logged in to read something gregkh posted in Google+ and no, it doesn't work
[19:21] <penguin42> heck, todays Xkcd is massive
[19:22] <awilkins> Yeah, too big for my phone.. will have to view it at home.
[19:22] <mgdm> yeah
[19:22] <mgdm> tl;dr
[19:22] <mgdm> :)
[19:27]  * penguin42 loves the random things he throws in 'value of a solid gold toilet (626 lbs) by year'
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> I want one now
[19:29] <penguin42> Martinp23: They say gold is quite soft, probably best not scrub it that hard
[19:29] <penguin42> oops, wrong complete
[19:31] <Azelphur> Steam, always bringing you the greatest specials. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8117884/photos/SteamSpecials.png xD
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> -0%!
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> That's a lot off
[19:32] <Azelphur> indeed, should totally buy
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/ new music
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> (from Norway)
[19:37] <bigcalm> Oh?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_(Marit_Larsen_album)
[20:02] <danfish> evening all
[20:02] <danfish> MartijnVdS: she's rather good.
[20:02] <danfish> "suffers" from the abba syndrome
[20:03] <danfish> ie english as a second language meaning you can actually understand the lyrics ;)
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> heh
[20:10] <danfish> MartijnVdS: thanks for the python webserver tip thing - I'd forgotten that one. Very useful.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> danfish: same for me - until I saw it on reddit :)
[20:30] <czajkowski> FYI folks: #rugbyrants exists for those who want to talk about rubgy
[20:32] <Azelphur> but talking in here about random offtopic things is much more fun
[20:32]  * Azelphur runs
[20:32] <czajkowski> well not everyone follows it, and it worked out really well for the RWC to have a seperate channel
[20:33] <AlanBell> is there more rugby happening?
[20:33]  * Azelphur doesn't like rugby
[20:33] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yeah a whole year of it :)
[20:33] <mgdm> uhoh :P
[20:36]  * daubers goes and finds some paints....
[20:49] <jacobw> evening
[20:49]  * czajkowski listens to zuma dance music and get to work on her emails 
[20:51]  * czajkowski just watched Dr. Strangelove 
[21:19] <daubers> czajkowski: Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the war room!
[21:19] <czajkowski> great film
[21:42] <jutnux> Anyone here done some of Project Euler?
[22:13] <AlanBell> jutnux: I did a bit of it
[22:15] <jutnux> AlanBell, Umhm, same.
[22:18] <AlanBell> one remaining space for the christmas party
[22:20] <jacobw> where is it?
[22:20] <popey> in between me and AlanBell
[22:21] <jacobw> sounds cozy
[22:21] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[22:21] <AlanBell> who could resist?
[22:22] <jacobw> oh dear, it clashes with my company do
[22:22] <jacobw> thanks for the offer though :)
[22:23] <jacobw> eating and drinking in the dark sounds fun
[22:24] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: that sounds like the complete opposite of anything I would ever want to do
[22:26] <AlanBell> I am quite looking forward to it
[22:28] <jacobw> c4 documentary about turing
[22:29] <jacobw> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/britains-greatest-codebreaker/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1
[23:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] The Ubuntu Commons - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/21/the-ubuntu-commons/