[00:12] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh, look a lot like your own paths?
[00:15] <snap-l> God, I really, really wish I could install Ubuntu on this XP machine
[00:15] <rick_h_> heh, having a good windows day?
[00:15] <snap-l> Apparently the "rescue partition" isn't, and requires a DVD
[00:15] <rick_h_> oops
[00:15] <snap-l> which I have
[00:15] <snap-l> Of course the Eee domes with no DVD drive
[00:16] <snap-l> but, I managed to get the files off
[00:16] <snap-l> and realize now that the restore file is a .GHO file
[00:16] <snap-l> which means it's Norton Ghost, correct?
[00:17] <snap-l> Anywho, so I have to come up with some form of boot disc for this POS
[00:18] <snap-l> Frankly, I should just remove the HDD, and put in a 16GB SD card, and see if they notice.
[01:04] <snap-l> Gah, and Clonezilla is a bit impenetrable for reimaging this from the .gho file
[02:41] <snap-l> Watch out, the programmers of this rogue software got just a bit smarter. The infection I got was not named [random]. it was named with some jibberish. Still in the same location though.
[02:41] <snap-l> headdesk
[03:12] <snap-l> I think they need to rename WIndows to "buttfuck"
[03:12] <snap-l> because it's too easy to buttfuck the entire system.
[12:51] <rick_h_> morning party people
[13:38] <Wolfger> morning
[13:38] <Wolfger> party
[13:54] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:08] <brousch> snap-l: did you buy pygame magazine?
[14:20] <snap-l> si
[14:31] <brousch> any good?
[14:31] <snap-l> Yeah, though it's mostly in the tutorial phase of the magazine
[14:32] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I
[14:33] <brousch> i was thinking of going over it at grpug tonight
[14:33] <snap-l> Yeah, it would be definitely something to go over
[14:33] <brousch> i miss python magazine
[14:33] <snap-l> Yeah, I hope this doesn't hit the same fate.
[14:33] <brousch> i signed up, got exactly 1 issue, then it died
[14:35] <snap-l> brousch: I have 10 of 'em.
[14:35] <snap-l> 2008-06 - 2008-12, 2009-02 and 2009-05
[14:37] <snap-l> http://www.freep.com/article/20111121/NEWS05/111121001/Police-Royal-Oak-woman-80-killed-in-home
[14:37] <snap-l> ^- The Grammar Gods do not approve of your headline and lead-in sentence.
[14:42] <snap-l> Wolfger: New Album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4NVYtzlQA
[14:55] <brousch> wow, someone sent us a google sketchup model that takes a full 5 minutes to open on our super-desktop. it uses 1.2GB of RAM once it's open
[14:55] <rick_h_> nice!
[14:57] <brousch> sketchup is apparently single-threaded, so the other 3 cores are idle
[14:57] <snap-l> That's not surprising
[14:57] <snap-l> I wish more software was multi-CPU capable
[14:57] <brousch> this is 3d modeling software
[14:57] <snap-l> i.e.: LAME and OGG encoding
[14:57] <brousch> if anything should be multi-core, this should be
[14:58] <snap-l> Oh, no doubt.
[14:58] <rick_h_> yea, but it's something they bought and actually is used more in hobby stuff than anything
[14:58] <rick_h_> all the woodworkers use it for modeling projects
[14:58] <snap-l> rick_h_: because not everyone needs Autocad. ;)
[14:58] <brousch> this is a parking desk for some arena
[14:58] <brousch> deck
[14:58] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh definitely, but that's why I'm not holding multi-core against it
[14:58] <snap-l> brousch: Someone is very, very cheap, then. ;)
[14:58] <brousch> but they included buildings in about 1/2 mile radius
[14:59] <rick_h_> there's a pay version of sketch-up
[14:59] <snap-l> Right, but I wouldn't expect someone to design a parking deck with Sketchup
[14:59] <brousch> we've only gotten 1 other sketchup model in all my years. that was a little park gazebo
[14:59] <snap-l> brousch: And that's fine
[15:00] <snap-l> But things that require structural integrity I'd think require some more modeling capability
[15:00] <snap-l> and virtual stress testing
[15:02] <snap-l> Actually, that might not be that wild
[15:02] <snap-l> Wonder if they used Building Maker
[15:08] <brousch> i suspect they built this in a real program exported to sketchup so people could view it for free
[15:08] <brousch> cornhuskers basketball arena i think
[15:12] <brousch> ok, wow, i think they included detailed models of other university buildings, like the football stadium
[15:12] <brousch> fun, but really pretty useless
[15:14] <brousch> rick_h_: supposedly this will run under wine, so you can use it too
[15:14] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, fails
[15:14] <rick_h_> at least when I last tried
[15:14] <rick_h_> the gui is a mess
[15:14] <brousch> it's a simple UI
[15:14] <brousch> the fail is using ruby as the scripting language instead of python
[15:15] <rick_h_> I mean the menu doesn't show up, the cursor comes/goes
[15:15] <snap-l> Yeah, there's no Linux version to speak of
[15:21] <rick_h_> welcome to life with google
[15:22] <rick_h_> see picasa :(
[15:25] <brousch> rick_h_: sketchup8 is running pretty well under wine with 1 registry edit
[15:25] <brousch> quite fast
[15:25] <rick_h_> brousch: cool
[15:25] <rick_h_> it's been a while
[15:25] <rick_h_> see whole story of my lack of woodworking in nearly 2yrs and all that
[15:25] <brousch> http://wiki.winehq.org/GoogleSketchup
[15:26] <rick_h_> yea, it's a pretty cool app, works well for the woodworking side of things
[15:26] <brousch> all you have to do is give up sleep
[15:26] <rick_h_> I like the model gallery they've got
[15:26] <rick_h_> brousch: I knew there was a way!
[15:28] <brousch> soon you'll be able to delegate some tasks to your spawned process
[15:28] <rick_h_> I've got some time yet. Currently it's hard for that process to handle it's own functions much less additional ones
[15:29] <brousch> unfortunately that doesn't give you more free time, it gives you less
[15:29] <rick_h_> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/244277/new_kernel_patch_slashes_linuxs_power_appetite.html
[15:38] <brousch> wow, sketchup under wine opened that monster model
[15:38] <brousch> slow, but it worked
[15:38] <rick_h_> nice!
[15:39] <brousch> actually i think it opened faster, but is slower once it's open
[15:41] <brousch> that was fun. glad i could bring it back on topic
[15:42] <rick_h_> snap-l: hey, how did your pdf tests go on the tablets?
[15:42] <snap-l> Decently
[15:42] <rick_h_> my wife is now wondering if she should get a tablet to read her medical pdfs on
[15:42] <rick_h_> I tried it on a verizon floor model, but ugh
[15:42] <snap-l> The "killer PDF" took a while on the tablet, but didn't crash
[15:42] <rick_h_> not sure if it's the reader or what, but the screen still doesn't seem big enough to read without scrolling
[15:42] <rick_h_> ok, so reading it would work out though?
[15:42] <brousch> small text, but readable
[15:43] <snap-l> If I were to pick one I'd choose the tablet
[15:43] <snap-l> you can zoom in on the B&N Tablet with pinch to zoom
[15:43] <brousch> i end up zooming in to eliminate the white border on all PDFs
[15:43] <rick_h_> hmm, damn now I really want to get a DX to test out
[15:43] <snap-l> The color doesn't zoom by default
[15:43] <rick_h_> ok...thanks. grumble with stupid tech that still isn't "quite right"
[15:44] <snap-l> Yeah, and there's no tilt sensor, so you can't go landscape
[15:44] <brousch> i use adobe reader on it
[15:44] <snap-l> at least not on the color or touch
[15:44] <brousch> mine has tilt
[15:44] <snap-l> can't remeber if the tablet did tilt.
[15:44] <rick_h_> so maybe a tablet would make a good pdf reader for her
[15:44] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, but the default reader doesn't handle it
[15:44] <brousch> rick_h_: does she enjoy tiny fonts as much as you?
[15:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: It would be the best non-rooting one, yes.
[15:45] <rick_h_> brousch: no, she's normal
[15:45] <rick_h_> and blind
[15:47] <rick_h_> getting more and more tempted to get a DX and "test" it for both of us
[15:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: Honestly, take a few of them on a micro-SD card ( I have on you can borrow) and try it out
[15:47] <snap-l> One thing B&N has over the others is they'll let you play with them.
[15:47] <rick_h_> yea, I figure that there must be a pdf reader in the market that might be better
[15:47] <rick_h_> the verizon tablets I testsed had a horrible default pdf reader
[15:48] <snap-l> If someone blew up my Kobo, and I had $250 laying around, I'd have the Tablet
[15:48] <rick_h_> ok cool, I'll try to get a sample pdf from her and do some more testing
[15:48] <snap-l> Thing is the Kobo has nice integration with the iPhone
[15:48] <rick_h_> I'm anti-tablet, I don't want to get one :P
[15:48] <snap-l> I mean, REALLY good integration
[15:48] <snap-l> replaced Goodreader for me for PDFs
[15:49] <snap-l> But I don't trust them enough to even consider the Vox
[15:50] <rick_h_> woot, got my ep.io beta invite
[15:50] <rick_h_> yea, sorry man, but kobo is dead
[15:50] <rick_h_> choose your player, nook or kindle now
[15:50] <snap-l> Well, their customer service is a fucking joke
[15:51] <Wolfger> rick_h_: speaking of tablets and PDF's... does the Kindle do a decent job of displaying PDF files?
[15:51] <rick_h_> Wolfger: so the smaller one can do ok if you put it in landscape
[15:51] <snap-l> Check getsatisfaction.com/kobo. People are PISSSED.
[15:51] <rick_h_> but if your pdf is two columns, it sucks because you have to go forward a page, back a page, forward a page to read
[15:51] <brousch> there's just not enough pixels in 1024x600 to read a pdf easily
[15:51] <rick_h_> the DX does pdf awesomely, but it's $$$ and such
[15:52] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, that's kind of what I was wondering. Does someone that cares about pdfs like these 7" tablets for pdfs
[15:52] <rick_h_> if they do, my wife can probably get by
[15:52] <brousch> i am reading the python testing book on pdf on mine
[15:52] <brousch> it's usable
[15:53] <brousch> i think there is room in the market for a nice pdf reader that compensates for the shortcummings
[15:53] <brousch> wow, been reading too much banned word list
[15:54] <brousch> like if i could zoom in then lock the left and right margins at that zoom level, it would be much nicer
[15:54] <brousch> also if it could save what page i was viewing last
[15:54] <rick_h_> yea, the lack of whispersync on pdfs is a pita
[15:55] <Wolfger> :-(
[15:55] <Wolfger> Glad my O'Reilly ebook is available in .mobi
[15:56] <rick_h_> yea, I mean it's not killer for me at least
[15:56] <brousch> there's a epub version of this book, but the formatting is crap
[15:56] <rick_h_> there are pdfs that would look better than the mobi
[15:56] <rick_h_> and stuff like printing a long web page to pdf and putting it on the kindle to read later would be nice
[15:57] <brousch> i wonder how hard it would be to wrap adobe reader with some of these functions
[15:57] <rick_h_> yea, no idea
[15:57] <brousch> i'll add it to my list of apps i'll never get to
[15:58] <rick_h_> lol
[15:58] <rick_h_> good man, at least you have a list :P
[15:58] <brousch> by the time i get to it everyone will have 1280x800 tablets and reading letter sized pdf will be fine
[15:59] <rick_h_> there you go, whenever this damn nexus comes out, HD display will be nice
[15:59] <rick_h_> once they hit tablets, should be cool
[15:59] <brousch> the list is kind of depressing. it grows b y 1 idea/week with nothing falling off it
[15:59] <dzho> but then by that time, your eyes will start going . . .
[15:59] <rick_h_> brousch: you need an app for that, that just pulls 5 randomly from the list with a nice little add widget
[16:00] <rick_h_> that way it always seems short/same size
[16:00] <rick_h_> and you see different ideas each time you load it
[16:00] <brousch> wonderful, let me add the app idea viewer to my list of app ideas
[16:01] <rick_h_> it's getting meta in here
[16:02] <snap-l> Getting?
[16:02] <rick_h_> true I guess "I wonder if I could write a pdf reader that could wrap and add functions to another pdf reader for my pdf reading"
[16:03] <snap-l> "Yo, I heard you like PDFs, so I put a PDF in your PDF so you can PDF while you PDF"
[16:03] <snap-l> Or Adobe's version:
[16:04] <snap-l> "Yo, I heard you like Javascript, so I put some javascript in your PDF reader so you can Javascript while you PDF"
[16:04] <brousch> oh crap, what this monstrous xkcd today?
[16:04] <snap-l> http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yo-dawg-mac.jpg
[16:05] <snap-l> http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yo-dawg-lisp.jpg
[16:05] <snap-l> Pardon me while I go completely off the rails.
[16:06]  * ColonelPanic001 fetches the crazy train
[16:11] <brousch> FTR amazon video on demand does not play well on the nook color
[16:11] <brousch> netflix is OK, but not great
[16:21] <brousch> rick_h_: here's a page from art of community at full page width zoom on the nook color http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/aoc-pg2-full-page.png
[16:21] <brousch> and then one zoomed to remove the margins, which is how i use it http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/aoc-pg2-no-margins.png
[16:22] <rick_h_> cool
[16:22] <snap-l> Not sure how many board gamers are in here, but JoDee and I picked up Ascending Empires.
[16:22] <snap-l> http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37919/ascending-empires
[16:23] <snap-l> It's a pretty solid little game
[16:23] <snap-l> Kind of like a cross between Civ and Galcon
[16:25] <brousch> i guess those are most useful if you can view them on something with the same pixel density as the nook color
[16:27] <brousch> 169PPI
[16:31] <brousch> it looks like the nook tablet and kindle fire have the same size and resolution as the nook color
[17:14] <rick_h_> woot, project arrived. Time to test it out before CHC
[17:53] <snap-l> Which project is this? :)
[17:55] <rick_h_> oops, projector
[17:56] <rick_h_> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Otv87FjTFOI/TsqQv-WE50I/AAAAAAAAA5s/EN8VpUEzRmw/s144/IMG_20111121_122043.jpg
[17:56] <rick_h_> ignore the bowl of soup there nad such
[17:57] <snap-l> niiiiice.
[17:57] <rick_h_> well, I'm still going back and forth
[17:58] <rick_h_> it's a cheaper one, priced for brightness and portablility
[17:58] <rick_h_> but no battery, and no keystone'ing
[17:58] <rick_h_> but came with the stand
[17:58] <rick_h_> but the one I wanted next was $140 ish more, no stand
[17:59] <rick_h_> has a bit more brightness than the one Mat brought to CHC that one time
[17:59] <rick_h_> but loaded up a video and seems like it'll do the job as long as I can get it positioned right
[18:03] <snap-l> http://dashes.com/anil/2011/11/facebook-is-gaslighting-the-web.html <- Wow
[18:03] <snap-l> That wasthe only use-case for Facebook when I used it (piping RSS from my blog to Facebook)
[18:06] <Wolfger> snap-l: ++ on the yo-dawg jpegs.
[18:09] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm surprised you can see them. ;)
[18:10] <Wolfger> Me too.
[18:10] <Wolfger> Article about Facebook gaslighting the web: can't see.
[18:13] <snap-l> Wolfger: Lovely. ;)
[18:16] <rick_h_> man I hate stupid surveys...THINK people
[18:17] <snap-l> rick_h_: Which survey?
[18:17] <rick_h_> the stupid sound thing
[18:18] <snap-l> heh
[18:18] <snap-l> I thought it was a pretty reasonablesurvey
[18:18] <snap-l> but I also think they're going to find out that people still use some fo the functionality.
[18:19] <rick_h_>  the first question says "Hey, you ever used this..."
[18:19] <rick_h_> ok cool
[18:19] <rick_h_> second question "If you've used it, please let us know how important it is"
[18:19] <rick_h_> "oh...I've never used it, so I'll skip it...hmm it's required...where's the N/A option then...wtf!!!!"
[18:22] <greg-g> yay!!!!!
[18:22] <greg-g> "out for delivery" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZYF3LO
[18:22] <greg-g> (I got it for $100 less than that current price, there was a $100 instant rebate good through this sat.)
[18:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Didn't you get the memo? Just use an iPhone. ;)
[18:22] <greg-g> :P
[18:23] <rick_h_> greg-g: oooh, nice!
[18:23] <rick_h_> I miss the SLR
[18:24] <rick_h_> heh, oops, so I got hit by monday
[18:24] <rick_h_> there are three questions there
[18:24] <greg-g> yeah, going to be having some fun with it this week
[18:24] <rick_h_> not 2
[18:24] <rick_h_> and the 3rd is required
[18:26] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://www.lensrentals.com/ is fun for that stuff
[18:26] <rick_h_> I did my cousin's wedding by renting a hotshoe flash and some nice lenses...so much fun
[18:26] <rick_h_> and good for testing a lense before you drop $$ on it
[18:29] <greg-g> oh nice!
[18:32] <snap-l> http://jderose.blogspot.com/2011/11/note-on-ubuntu-one-dropping-couchdb.html
[18:32] <rick_h_> yea, that's interesting
[18:32] <rick_h_> though not suprising, if they're going to compete with drobox, going to have to get past couch
[18:33] <snap-l> Well, none of this stuff really worked well
[18:33] <snap-l> contacts sync was down more often than not
[18:34] <snap-l> Notes was somewhat interesting
[18:34] <snap-l> I don't think playlists ever got off theground
[18:34] <snap-l> Because we are no longer going to pursue CouchDB, we will
[18:34] <snap-l> no longer be developing desktopcouch; in fact, if anybody wants to take
[18:34] <snap-l> over, we'll be happy to work with you to make that official. For the
[18:34] <snap-l> upcoming 12.04 the Ubuntu One packages will not depend on desktopcouch
[18:34] <snap-l> nor couchdb in any way, and we'd recommend the distribution seriously
[18:35] <snap-l> consider whether they want to continue having the package in main,
[18:35] <snap-l> especially if no maintainer shows up.
[18:35] <rick_h_> ouch, I didn't realize they had the alternative far enough along to make the switch
[18:35] <snap-l> Interesting that they finally got the shit mostly stable, so now they can abandon it in peace. ;)
[18:36] <snap-l> rick_h_: It'll be another painful transition
[18:36] <snap-l> We're calling it U1DB
[18:36] <snap-l> for now, until it comes of age. If you're interested and techincally
[18:36] <snap-l> inclined you can follow our progress on lp:u1db; unfortunately our
[18:36] <snap-l> timing and resources are such that we can only promise the reference
[18:36] <snap-l> python implementation will be ready in time for 12.04, and thus 12.04
[18:36] <snap-l> will ship without Ubuntu One having a solid story around synchronizing
[18:36] <snap-l> arbitrary structured data.
[18:37] <snap-l> I believe we have a candidate for 12.04's pain point.
[18:37] <rick_h_> lol
[18:37] <rick_h_> woot! python
[18:38] <rick_h_> hmm, backends has memory and sqlite? This doesn't make me feel warm/fuzzy
[18:50] <snap-l> Everything will be sqlite in the near future
[18:50] <rick_h_> but things can't talk to sqlite at the same time
[18:52] <snap-l> That'll lead to the desktop postgresql cloud servers
[18:52] <snap-l> every Ubuntu desktop will have access to 1 postgresql instance in the cloud
[18:53] <brousch> kewl
[18:53] <rick_h_> offline?
[18:53] <brousch> what's offline?
[18:53] <rick_h_> mobile?
[18:53] <brousch> it's in the cloud, d00d
[18:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: If you're offline, it's because you picked the wrong horse for a carrier.
[18:54] <brousch> is couchdb bad?
[18:54] <rick_h_> it's not ubu-scale
[18:54] <snap-l> No, it's jut slow
[18:54] <rick_h_> especially with files and crap
[18:54] <brousch> i have looked at it even less than mongo, which i've looked at basically not at all
[18:54] <rick_h_> meh, forget mongo, check out couch. It's more useful for most of us
[18:54] <snap-l> Mongo is web-scale
[18:55] <rick_h_> but dropbox isn't sitting on top of that stuff
[18:55] <brousch> dropbox is the bizomb
[18:55] <rick_h_> mongo is more annoying than a party of RoR developers at a RoR version release all trying to run simultaneous gem update commands
[18:56] <snap-l> Mongo is annoying because it's the nitro-burning funny car of databases
[18:56] <brousch> sourceforge uses it
[18:58] <snap-l> brousch: Where do you think I learned to dislike Mongo
[19:00] <snap-l> Thing is, Mongo encourges you to do stupid things with your data, like nitro-burning funny cars encourage you to do stupid things with your car
[19:02] <brousch> yeah, i'm bad enough with a sql database, i don't need all that extra freedom
[19:02] <brousch> and i'm not saying that sarcastically
[19:02] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyvodTwy2Ek <- MongoDB
[19:04] <Wolfger> man you people are chatty today. Like it's a holiday-shortened week or something....
[19:05] <brousch> snap-l: that video blew out my eardrums
[19:05] <brousch> i'll send you the bill for a hearing aid
[19:05] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2fD-hYVLxE
[19:05] <snap-l> brousch: I listened to it with the sound off. ;)
[19:06] <greg-g> Wolfger: thank god it is
[19:07] <brousch> i win!
[19:08] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh7VHcuaPCg
[21:06] <brousch> hey, awesome, you can now get unlimited dropbox storage for only $800/yr https://www.dropbox.com/teams/pricing
[21:06] <rick_h_> my backups problems are solved! amen!
[21:07] <brousch> i'm moving my backups to crashplan, cutting back on my dropbox
[21:27] <snap-l> $800 a year?
[21:27] <snap-l> I'm at $120 a year in monthly installments.
[21:29] <snap-l> For $800 a year, I could buy a few drives and try to house them offsite.
[21:30] <brousch> yeah, it is silly
[21:34] <brousch> ubuntuone has better pricing
[21:34] <brousch> too bad it's not reliable