[00:12] greg-g: heh, look a lot like your own paths? [00:15] God, I really, really wish I could install Ubuntu on this XP machine [00:15] heh, having a good windows day? [00:15] Apparently the "rescue partition" isn't, and requires a DVD [00:15] oops [00:15] which I have [00:15] Of course the Eee domes with no DVD drive [00:16] but, I managed to get the files off [00:16] and realize now that the restore file is a .GHO file [00:16] which means it's Norton Ghost, correct? [00:17] Anywho, so I have to come up with some form of boot disc for this POS [00:18] Frankly, I should just remove the HDD, and put in a 16GB SD card, and see if they notice. [01:04] Gah, and Clonezilla is a bit impenetrable for reimaging this from the .gho file [02:41] Watch out, the programmers of this rogue software got just a bit smarter. The infection I got was not named [random]. it was named with some jibberish. Still in the same location though. [02:41] headdesk [03:12] I think they need to rename WIndows to "buttfuck" [03:12] because it's too easy to buttfuck the entire system. [12:51] morning party people [13:38] morning [13:38] party [13:54] Good morning [14:08] snap-l: did you buy pygame magazine? [14:20] si [14:31] any good? [14:31] Yeah, though it's mostly in the tutorial phase of the magazine [14:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I [14:33] i was thinking of going over it at grpug tonight [14:33] Yeah, it would be definitely something to go over [14:33] i miss python magazine [14:33] Yeah, I hope this doesn't hit the same fate. [14:33] i signed up, got exactly 1 issue, then it died [14:35] brousch: I have 10 of 'em. [14:35] 2008-06 - 2008-12, 2009-02 and 2009-05 [14:37] http://www.freep.com/article/20111121/NEWS05/111121001/Police-Royal-Oak-woman-80-killed-in-home [14:37] ^- The Grammar Gods do not approve of your headline and lead-in sentence. [14:42] Wolfger: New Album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4NVYtzlQA [14:55] wow, someone sent us a google sketchup model that takes a full 5 minutes to open on our super-desktop. it uses 1.2GB of RAM once it's open [14:55] nice! [14:57] sketchup is apparently single-threaded, so the other 3 cores are idle [14:57] That's not surprising [14:57] I wish more software was multi-CPU capable [14:57] this is 3d modeling software [14:57] i.e.: LAME and OGG encoding [14:57] if anything should be multi-core, this should be [14:58] Oh, no doubt. [14:58] yea, but it's something they bought and actually is used more in hobby stuff than anything [14:58] all the woodworkers use it for modeling projects [14:58] rick_h_: because not everyone needs Autocad. ;) [14:58] this is a parking desk for some arena [14:58] deck [14:58] snap-l: oh definitely, but that's why I'm not holding multi-core against it [14:58] brousch: Someone is very, very cheap, then. ;) [14:58] but they included buildings in about 1/2 mile radius [14:59] there's a pay version of sketch-up [14:59] Right, but I wouldn't expect someone to design a parking deck with Sketchup [14:59] we've only gotten 1 other sketchup model in all my years. that was a little park gazebo [14:59] brousch: And that's fine [15:00] But things that require structural integrity I'd think require some more modeling capability [15:00] and virtual stress testing [15:02] Actually, that might not be that wild [15:02] Wonder if they used Building Maker [15:08] i suspect they built this in a real program exported to sketchup so people could view it for free [15:08] cornhuskers basketball arena i think [15:12] ok, wow, i think they included detailed models of other university buildings, like the football stadium [15:12] fun, but really pretty useless [15:14] rick_h_: supposedly this will run under wine, so you can use it too [15:14] brousch: yea, fails [15:14] at least when I last tried [15:14] the gui is a mess [15:14] it's a simple UI [15:14] the fail is using ruby as the scripting language instead of python [15:15] I mean the menu doesn't show up, the cursor comes/goes [15:15] Yeah, there's no Linux version to speak of [15:21] welcome to life with google [15:22] see picasa :( [15:25] rick_h_: sketchup8 is running pretty well under wine with 1 registry edit [15:25] quite fast [15:25] brousch: cool [15:25] it's been a while [15:25] see whole story of my lack of woodworking in nearly 2yrs and all that [15:25] http://wiki.winehq.org/GoogleSketchup [15:26] yea, it's a pretty cool app, works well for the woodworking side of things [15:26] all you have to do is give up sleep [15:26] I like the model gallery they've got [15:26] brousch: I knew there was a way! [15:28] soon you'll be able to delegate some tasks to your spawned process [15:28] I've got some time yet. Currently it's hard for that process to handle it's own functions much less additional ones [15:29] unfortunately that doesn't give you more free time, it gives you less [15:29] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/244277/new_kernel_patch_slashes_linuxs_power_appetite.html [15:38] wow, sketchup under wine opened that monster model [15:38] slow, but it worked [15:38] nice! [15:39] actually i think it opened faster, but is slower once it's open [15:41] that was fun. glad i could bring it back on topic [15:42] snap-l: hey, how did your pdf tests go on the tablets? [15:42] Decently [15:42] my wife is now wondering if she should get a tablet to read her medical pdfs on [15:42] I tried it on a verizon floor model, but ugh [15:42] The "killer PDF" took a while on the tablet, but didn't crash [15:42] not sure if it's the reader or what, but the screen still doesn't seem big enough to read without scrolling [15:42] ok, so reading it would work out though? [15:42] small text, but readable [15:43] If I were to pick one I'd choose the tablet [15:43] you can zoom in on the B&N Tablet with pinch to zoom [15:43] i end up zooming in to eliminate the white border on all PDFs [15:43] hmm, damn now I really want to get a DX to test out [15:43] The color doesn't zoom by default [15:43] ok...thanks. grumble with stupid tech that still isn't "quite right" [15:44] Yeah, and there's no tilt sensor, so you can't go landscape [15:44] i use adobe reader on it [15:44] at least not on the color or touch [15:44] mine has tilt [15:44] can't remeber if the tablet did tilt. [15:44] so maybe a tablet would make a good pdf reader for her [15:44] brousch: Yeah, but the default reader doesn't handle it [15:44] rick_h_: does she enjoy tiny fonts as much as you? [15:44] rick_h_: It would be the best non-rooting one, yes. [15:45] brousch: no, she's normal [15:45] and blind [15:47] getting more and more tempted to get a DX and "test" it for both of us [15:47] rick_h_: Honestly, take a few of them on a micro-SD card ( I have on you can borrow) and try it out [15:47] One thing B&N has over the others is they'll let you play with them. [15:47] yea, I figure that there must be a pdf reader in the market that might be better [15:47] the verizon tablets I testsed had a horrible default pdf reader [15:48] If someone blew up my Kobo, and I had $250 laying around, I'd have the Tablet [15:48] ok cool, I'll try to get a sample pdf from her and do some more testing [15:48] Thing is the Kobo has nice integration with the iPhone [15:48] I'm anti-tablet, I don't want to get one :P [15:48] I mean, REALLY good integration [15:48] replaced Goodreader for me for PDFs [15:49] But I don't trust them enough to even consider the Vox [15:50] woot, got my ep.io beta invite [15:50] yea, sorry man, but kobo is dead [15:50] choose your player, nook or kindle now [15:50] Well, their customer service is a fucking joke [15:51] rick_h_: speaking of tablets and PDF's... does the Kindle do a decent job of displaying PDF files? [15:51] Wolfger: so the smaller one can do ok if you put it in landscape [15:51] Check getsatisfaction.com/kobo. People are PISSSED. [15:51] but if your pdf is two columns, it sucks because you have to go forward a page, back a page, forward a page to read [15:51] there's just not enough pixels in 1024x600 to read a pdf easily [15:51] the DX does pdf awesomely, but it's $$$ and such [15:52] brousch: yea, that's kind of what I was wondering. Does someone that cares about pdfs like these 7" tablets for pdfs [15:52] if they do, my wife can probably get by [15:52] i am reading the python testing book on pdf on mine [15:52] it's usable [15:53] i think there is room in the market for a nice pdf reader that compensates for the shortcummings [15:53] wow, been reading too much banned word list [15:54] like if i could zoom in then lock the left and right margins at that zoom level, it would be much nicer [15:54] also if it could save what page i was viewing last [15:54] yea, the lack of whispersync on pdfs is a pita [15:55] :-( [15:55] Glad my O'Reilly ebook is available in .mobi [15:56] yea, I mean it's not killer for me at least [15:56] there's a epub version of this book, but the formatting is crap [15:56] there are pdfs that would look better than the mobi [15:56] and stuff like printing a long web page to pdf and putting it on the kindle to read later would be nice [15:57] i wonder how hard it would be to wrap adobe reader with some of these functions [15:57] yea, no idea [15:57] i'll add it to my list of apps i'll never get to [15:58] lol [15:58] good man, at least you have a list :P [15:58] by the time i get to it everyone will have 1280x800 tablets and reading letter sized pdf will be fine [15:59] there you go, whenever this damn nexus comes out, HD display will be nice [15:59] once they hit tablets, should be cool [15:59] the list is kind of depressing. it grows b y 1 idea/week with nothing falling off it [15:59] but then by that time, your eyes will start going . . . [15:59] brousch: you need an app for that, that just pulls 5 randomly from the list with a nice little add widget [16:00] that way it always seems short/same size [16:00] and you see different ideas each time you load it [16:00] wonderful, let me add the app idea viewer to my list of app ideas [16:01] it's getting meta in here [16:02] Getting? [16:02] true I guess "I wonder if I could write a pdf reader that could wrap and add functions to another pdf reader for my pdf reading" [16:03] "Yo, I heard you like PDFs, so I put a PDF in your PDF so you can PDF while you PDF" [16:03] Or Adobe's version: [16:04] "Yo, I heard you like Javascript, so I put some javascript in your PDF reader so you can Javascript while you PDF" [16:04] oh crap, what this monstrous xkcd today? [16:04] http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yo-dawg-mac.jpg [16:05] http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/yo-dawg-lisp.jpg [16:05] Pardon me while I go completely off the rails. [16:06] * ColonelPanic001 fetches the crazy train [16:11] FTR amazon video on demand does not play well on the nook color [16:11] netflix is OK, but not great [16:21] rick_h_: here's a page from art of community at full page width zoom on the nook color http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/aoc-pg2-full-page.png [16:21] and then one zoomed to remove the margins, which is how i use it http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/aoc-pg2-no-margins.png [16:22] cool [16:22] Not sure how many board gamers are in here, but JoDee and I picked up Ascending Empires. [16:22] http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37919/ascending-empires [16:23] It's a pretty solid little game [16:23] Kind of like a cross between Civ and Galcon [16:25] i guess those are most useful if you can view them on something with the same pixel density as the nook color [16:27] 169PPI [16:31] it looks like the nook tablet and kindle fire have the same size and resolution as the nook color [17:14] woot, project arrived. Time to test it out before CHC [17:53] Which project is this? :) [17:55] oops, projector [17:56] https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Otv87FjTFOI/TsqQv-WE50I/AAAAAAAAA5s/EN8VpUEzRmw/s144/IMG_20111121_122043.jpg [17:56] ignore the bowl of soup there nad such [17:57] niiiiice. [17:57] well, I'm still going back and forth [17:58] it's a cheaper one, priced for brightness and portablility [17:58] but no battery, and no keystone'ing [17:58] but came with the stand [17:58] but the one I wanted next was $140 ish more, no stand [17:59] has a bit more brightness than the one Mat brought to CHC that one time [17:59] but loaded up a video and seems like it'll do the job as long as I can get it positioned right [18:03] http://dashes.com/anil/2011/11/facebook-is-gaslighting-the-web.html <- Wow [18:03] That wasthe only use-case for Facebook when I used it (piping RSS from my blog to Facebook) [18:06] snap-l: ++ on the yo-dawg jpegs. [18:09] Wolfger: I'm surprised you can see them. ;) [18:10] Me too. [18:10] Article about Facebook gaslighting the web: can't see. [18:13] Wolfger: Lovely. ;) [18:16] man I hate stupid surveys...THINK people [18:17] rick_h_: Which survey? [18:17] the stupid sound thing [18:18] heh [18:18] I thought it was a pretty reasonablesurvey [18:18] but I also think they're going to find out that people still use some fo the functionality. [18:19] the first question says "Hey, you ever used this..." [18:19] ok cool [18:19] second question "If you've used it, please let us know how important it is" [18:19] "oh...I've never used it, so I'll skip it...hmm it's required...where's the N/A option then...wtf!!!!" [18:22] yay!!!!! [18:22] "out for delivery" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZYF3LO [18:22] (I got it for $100 less than that current price, there was a $100 instant rebate good through this sat.) [18:22] greg-g: Didn't you get the memo? Just use an iPhone. ;) [18:22] :P [18:23] greg-g: oooh, nice! [18:23] I miss the SLR [18:24] heh, oops, so I got hit by monday [18:24] there are three questions there [18:24] yeah, going to be having some fun with it this week [18:24] not 2 [18:24] and the 3rd is required [18:26] greg-g: http://www.lensrentals.com/ is fun for that stuff [18:26] I did my cousin's wedding by renting a hotshoe flash and some nice lenses...so much fun [18:26] and good for testing a lense before you drop $$ on it [18:29] oh nice! [18:32] http://jderose.blogspot.com/2011/11/note-on-ubuntu-one-dropping-couchdb.html [18:32] yea, that's interesting [18:32] though not suprising, if they're going to compete with drobox, going to have to get past couch [18:33] Well, none of this stuff really worked well [18:33] contacts sync was down more often than not [18:34] Notes was somewhat interesting [18:34] I don't think playlists ever got off theground [18:34] Because we are no longer going to pursue CouchDB, we will [18:34] no longer be developing desktopcouch; in fact, if anybody wants to take [18:34] over, we'll be happy to work with you to make that official. For the [18:34] upcoming 12.04 the Ubuntu One packages will not depend on desktopcouch [18:34] nor couchdb in any way, and we'd recommend the distribution seriously [18:35] consider whether they want to continue having the package in main, [18:35] especially if no maintainer shows up. [18:35] ouch, I didn't realize they had the alternative far enough along to make the switch [18:35] Interesting that they finally got the shit mostly stable, so now they can abandon it in peace. ;) [18:36] rick_h_: It'll be another painful transition [18:36] We're calling it U1DB [18:36] for now, until it comes of age. If you're interested and techincally [18:36] inclined you can follow our progress on lp:u1db; unfortunately our [18:36] timing and resources are such that we can only promise the reference [18:36] python implementation will be ready in time for 12.04, and thus 12.04 [18:36] will ship without Ubuntu One having a solid story around synchronizing [18:36] arbitrary structured data. [18:37] I believe we have a candidate for 12.04's pain point. [18:37] lol [18:37] woot! python [18:38] hmm, backends has memory and sqlite? This doesn't make me feel warm/fuzzy [18:50] Everything will be sqlite in the near future [18:50] but things can't talk to sqlite at the same time [18:52] That'll lead to the desktop postgresql cloud servers [18:52] every Ubuntu desktop will have access to 1 postgresql instance in the cloud [18:53] kewl [18:53] offline? [18:53] what's offline? [18:53] mobile? [18:53] it's in the cloud, d00d [18:53] rick_h_: If you're offline, it's because you picked the wrong horse for a carrier. [18:54] is couchdb bad? [18:54] it's not ubu-scale [18:54] No, it's jut slow [18:54] especially with files and crap [18:54] i have looked at it even less than mongo, which i've looked at basically not at all [18:54] meh, forget mongo, check out couch. It's more useful for most of us [18:54] Mongo is web-scale [18:55] but dropbox isn't sitting on top of that stuff [18:55] dropbox is the bizomb [18:55] mongo is more annoying than a party of RoR developers at a RoR version release all trying to run simultaneous gem update commands [18:56] Mongo is annoying because it's the nitro-burning funny car of databases [18:56] sourceforge uses it [18:58] brousch: Where do you think I learned to dislike Mongo [19:00] Thing is, Mongo encourges you to do stupid things with your data, like nitro-burning funny cars encourage you to do stupid things with your car [19:02] yeah, i'm bad enough with a sql database, i don't need all that extra freedom [19:02] and i'm not saying that sarcastically [19:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyvodTwy2Ek <- MongoDB [19:04] man you people are chatty today. Like it's a holiday-shortened week or something.... [19:05] snap-l: that video blew out my eardrums [19:05] i'll send you the bill for a hearing aid [19:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2fD-hYVLxE [19:05] brousch: I listened to it with the sound off. ;) [19:06] Wolfger: thank god it is [19:07] i win! [19:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh7VHcuaPCg [21:06] hey, awesome, you can now get unlimited dropbox storage for only $800/yr https://www.dropbox.com/teams/pricing [21:06] my backups problems are solved! amen! [21:07] i'm moving my backups to crashplan, cutting back on my dropbox [21:27] $800 a year? [21:27] I'm at $120 a year in monthly installments. [21:29] For $800 a year, I could buy a few drives and try to house them offsite. [21:30] yeah, it is silly [21:34] ubuntuone has better pricing [21:34] too bad it's not reliable