| knome | ScottL, you around? | 00:43 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | apparently not. what a waste of freenode server bandwidth | 00:52 |
| knome | ;) | 00:52 |
| ScottL | knome, i'm here, but eating dinner, i'll be back in 5-10 minutes | 00:59 |
| knome | okay | 01:00 |
| ScottL | knome, i'm back | 01:07 |
| knome | okay | 01:07 |
| knome | i could work a bit with the website | 01:07 |
| ScottL | oh, good :) | 01:07 |
| knome | can you point me to the things that is maybe blocking or irritating you the most at the moment? | 01:07 |
| ScottL | two large points about the front page | 01:08 |
| ScottL | 1. links in the nav bar to other pages being completed/updated | 01:08 |
| knome | you can add those yourself, but you can also tell me where to link | 01:08 |
| knome | or, you should be able.. | 01:08 |
| ScottL | 2. getting the "download" and "feature tour" buttons on the right side of the "slide show" text area | 01:09 |
| ScottL | knome, i thought i looked at adding the pages but i was unsure how the make the new pages | 01:09 |
| ScottL | like the contributor's blog page | 01:09 |
| knome | if you look at the "audio" tab, there is artwork in the right side | 01:09 |
| knome | should that be removed? | 01:09 |
| knome | i mean, if you have the download links there, they would interfere | 01:09 |
| knome | or should we only change the front front page to have the links there? | 01:10 |
| ScottL | i wouldn't remove the artwork, but can we just stop the artwork before the right side of the page? | 01:10 |
| knome | eg. keep the rest of the pages intact, but edit the frontpage tab | 01:10 |
| ScottL | just enough to fit the buttons | 01:10 |
| ScottL | hmmmm | 01:10 |
| knome | i doubt it'd look good if you hide it any more | 01:10 |
| ScottL | "hide it anymore" i'm not sure i understand | 01:11 |
| knome | i mean | 01:11 |
| ScottL | oh, you mean the download link | 01:11 |
| knome | well i'm suggesting that we do what you proposed in the wiki for the frontpage | 01:11 |
| knome | but keep the rest of the tabs intact | 01:12 |
| knome | with space on the right side | 01:12 |
| ScottL | oh, that sounds good then :) | 01:12 |
| knome | does that sound sensible? | 01:12 |
| knome | okay, good | 01:12 |
| ScottL | i think in the spec that i even included a "download" link in the navbar as well | 01:13 |
| ScottL | to avoid "hiding" the link (even though there is a big button there) | 01:13 |
| ScottL | the buttons are an attempt to address two of the three main use cases | 01:13 |
| knome | isn't there a download link in the navbar now? ;) | 01:13 |
| ScottL | 1. people just wanting to download the latest iso | 01:13 |
| ScottL | 2. people unfamiliar with ubuntu studio/linux to learn | 01:13 |
| knome | so what's the thing with developer blogs? | 01:14 |
| ScottL | 3. experienced users who want to contribute to ubuntu studio | 01:14 |
| knome | is it just a different category in the blog, or is it aggregated? | 01:14 |
| ScottL | knome, i see that the "blog" is a point of confusion for multiple people ;) | 01:14 |
| ScottL | not aggregated | 01:14 |
| knome | okay | 01:14 |
| ScottL | and not "news" which is more formalized and for announcements | 01:14 |
| knome | right | 01:15 |
| knome | so "news" and "dev blog" should just show different categories from the blog? | 01:15 |
| ScottL | the "blog" would be highly informal, and be musings on current development by various people | 01:15 |
| knome | yeah, but technically speaking | 01:15 |
| knome | http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/development/ <- this should be "blog" ? | 01:16 |
| knome | http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/release-notes/ <- and this "news" ? | 01:16 |
| ScottL | knome, i'm unfamiliar with some of the nuances in wordpress (and drupal for that matter) | 01:17 |
| ScottL | i had originally thought about having the blogs and news all together in a single page but don't think that is a good idea | 01:18 |
| knome | let me try to rephrase it in a non-technical as-possible matter | 01:18 |
| ScottL | as some might not really want the rss feed from the blog | 01:18 |
| ScottL | so i was thinking that two separate pages which solely show their own content | 01:18 |
| knome | the "News" page should show all articles in the "News" category | 01:18 |
| ScottL | aye | 01:18 |
| knome | and the "Designer blog" from "Blog" category | 01:18 |
| ScottL | aye | 01:18 |
| knome | okay | 01:18 |
| ScottL | does that make it simpler? | 01:19 |
| knome | a bit harder than current way, but it is still relatively trivial | 01:19 |
| knome | we need to do some hardcoding with that though | 01:19 |
| ScottL | how does the current way implement this? | 01:20 |
| ScottL | all in a single page? | 01:20 |
| knome | it just shows the "article front page" | 01:20 |
| knome | yeah | 01:20 |
| knome | we're going to mix news and blog in the xubuntu site | 01:20 |
| knome | see: http://wp.xubuntu.org/ | 01:21 |
| knome | "Latest news" is really just "Latest articles" | 01:21 |
| knome | you can still subscribe to news-only rss | 01:21 |
| knome | but in the xubuntu site, that's hidden by default (at least for now) | 01:21 |
| ScottL | stochastci wanted a less "wall of text" resulting from news on the front page and i agreed after i thought about it | 01:22 |
| knome | but that's easy to link to | 01:22 |
| ScottL | it begets a much more simpler and perhaps zen-like front page | 01:22 |
| ScottL | very accessible | 01:22 |
| knome | the front page does not have articles from news right now | 01:23 |
| knome | only the front page content | 01:23 |
| knome | can we go through the links you want in the main navi one by one? | 01:23 |
| ScottL | sure | 01:23 |
| knome | i can create/fix them as we speak | 01:24 |
| ScottL | let me pull up the spec | 01:24 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/update-website-spec | 01:24 |
| knome | there you go | 01:24 |
| ScottL | hehe, you bet me | 01:24 |
| ScottL | beat | 01:24 |
| knome | well i had that open... | 01:25 |
| ScottL | home, news, (contributor's) blog, download, tutorials (aka wiki), support, contribute (to development), feedback | 01:25 |
| ScottL | i think that is pretty comprehensive, but please ignore the words inside the parenthesis | 01:25 |
| knome | mm | 01:26 |
| knome | where should feedback link to? | 01:27 |
| ScottL | is there a feedback form that can be used? | 01:28 |
| ScottL | so it emails the -dev mailing list | 01:28 |
| knome | humm | 01:28 |
| ScottL | great way for people to suggest changes or new packages to consider | 01:28 |
| knome | one should create such, but i'm not sure if it's a good thing to enable a webform that sends directly to ML | 01:28 |
| ScottL | do you have a suggestion on how we might provide a vector for users to make suggestions? | 01:30 |
| knome | i'd say tell the users on the support page that you can give suggestions too | 01:30 |
| knome | maybe the pagename could be "Support and Feedback" | 01:31 |
| ScottL | good idea | 01:31 |
| ScottL | we can "divide" the page vertically and the bottom for feedback | 01:31 |
| knome | okay, the menu should be okay now | 01:31 |
| knome | can you check that? | 01:31 |
| ScottL | cool, i'll check now | 01:32 |
| knome | (note that the news/blog links won't work as expected yet) | 01:32 |
| ScottL | is it accessible to change the "designer blog" to simply "blog" ? | 01:32 |
| knome | sure | 01:32 |
| knome | done | 01:32 |
| ScottL | this is a hard thing to tackle, the naming of it | 01:33 |
| knome | you can always change it later | 01:33 |
| ScottL | we're really not developers (i had thought first to call it developer blog) | 01:33 |
| knome | team blog | 01:33 |
| ScottL | hmmm, or development blog | 01:33 |
| knome | or contributor blog | 01:33 |
| ScottL | i'll think more on it and i think i can change it from what i know and have seen | 01:33 |
| knome | or just blog | 01:33 |
| knome | ;] | 01:33 |
| ScottL | probably just go with blog, leave it a mystery that draws readers into looking at the page to understand why it differs from news | 01:34 |
| ScottL | ;) | 01:34 |
| knome | so what's with the idea to put the logo in the navbar? | 01:34 |
| knome | won't fit with the current nav items... | 01:34 |
| ScottL | disregard that please | 01:34 |
| knome | hehe, sure :) | 01:34 |
| ScottL | that was when i was compulsive about minimizing vertical space | 01:35 |
| knome | so, the article styling | 01:35 |
| knome | so you want to go with the style in the spec? | 01:35 |
| ScottL | for the news/blog page? | 01:35 |
| knome | yeah | 01:35 |
| ScottL | oh, i don't care really, i just made that based off of another blog, i think default is probably just fine | 01:35 |
| knome | okay | 01:35 |
| knome | i'll make the metadata a bit more colorful | 01:35 |
| knome | did you want excerpts for the "many posts" pages? (like the news-page) | 01:36 |
| ScottL | knome, i just want to thank you again for the work you are doing, it's just bloody amazing :-) | 01:36 |
| knome | no problem ;) | 01:36 |
| ScottL | what is the "many posts" page? | 01:36 |
| knome | click news | 01:36 |
| knome | any page that shows more than one post per page | 01:37 |
| ScottL | is this where it makes the posts two or three lines link and then says "click here for more"? | 01:37 |
| knome | yes, do you want that? | 01:37 |
| ScottL | s/link/long | 01:37 |
| ScottL | sure | 01:37 |
| knome | omay | 01:37 |
| knome | err, *okay | 01:37 |
| knome | should "News" or "Blog" be the default category when posting? | 01:38 |
| ScottL | i think so | 01:38 |
| knome | "news or blog" -> "yes" :? | 01:39 |
| ScottL | yes | 01:39 |
| knome | it's either news or blog, it can't be "yes" ? :D | 01:39 |
| ScottL | sorry, i misunderstood the question | 01:40 |
| knome | hehe | 01:40 |
| knome | np... | 01:40 |
| ScottL | probably news | 01:40 |
| knome | okay | 01:40 |
| ScottL | how difficult will it be to create the "feature tour" pages using documents and text? | 01:40 |
| ScottL | can images be placed pretty freely in the page? | 01:41 |
| knome | yeah | 01:41 |
| ScottL | oh cool :) | 01:41 |
| knome | with wordpress, you can align to left/right/center by default | 01:41 |
| ScottL | that will make it much easier to develop these | 01:41 |
| knome | there should be initial styles for those already too | 01:41 |
| knome | heh, yeah | 01:41 |
| knome | http://wp.xubuntu.org/about/ | 01:41 |
| knome | that's right-aligned :) | 01:41 |
| ScottL | i see :) | 01:43 |
| ScottL | i remember seeing something on planet ubuntu where some guy made something like five pages as a feature tour for kubuntu | 01:44 |
| ScottL | i thought it looks brilliant! with images that faded out next to the text | 01:44 |
| ScottL | alternating image positioning left, then right, then left | 01:44 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 01:44 |
| ScottL | the text weaving through it | 01:44 |
| ScottL | it looked really good | 01:45 |
| ScottL | i could never find that post or those pages again :( | 01:45 |
| knome | aweh | 01:45 |
| ScottL | now i email myself links to anything that i think might help with styling | 01:45 |
| ScottL | i have a label (folder) in my gmail account for artwork stuff | 01:45 |
| ScottL | i'll be back in about five minutes | 01:46 |
| knome | sure | 01:46 |
| knome | okay, the news/blog links work now as wanted | 01:51 |
| knome | they will show any articles in those categories, or any subcategories | 01:52 |
| knome | see Posts -> Categories in admin | 01:52 |
| knome | i already moved "known issues" and "release notes" under "news" | 01:53 |
| knome | you can even create a subcategory in "blog" for every contributor | 01:53 |
| knome | then it's easy to track them separately if wanted | 01:53 |
| ScottL | cool, i'll look at it in a minute, working with son right now | 01:59 |
| ScottL | knome, oh, good idea for the "blog" subcategories :) | 01:59 |
| ScottL | oh, the question you had about the buttons on the right side of the "slide show" about just on the front page but not the other pages | 02:00 |
| ScottL | i think i understand it now | 02:00 |
| ScottL | you were asking if the buttons were to be hidden on all the slide show pages, weren't you knome ? | 02:01 |
| ScottL | except the first page | 02:01 |
| knome | yes | 02:06 |
| knome | if you want to show them on all pages, that's not a problem either, but then i'd say we will have to drop the artwork from the background completely | 02:07 |
| ScottL | oh :( | 02:08 |
| knome | well, it's just conflicting too much | 02:08 |
| ScottL | it would be nice if we could parse the right side of that "slide show" just like the section below it | 02:08 |
| ScottL | and not have the artwork cross over to the right side section | 02:08 |
| knome | what do you mean by parsing? :) | 02:09 |
| knome | right... | 02:09 |
| knome | there is still the problem | 02:09 |
| knome | the artwork will interfere with the text on the left side then | 02:09 |
| ScottL | ah, i see, you faded the image on the right | 02:10 |
| ScottL | err, left | 02:10 |
| knome | yes | 02:10 |
| ScottL | hmmm, let me think about this a bit, i'll try to have an answer in a few days | 02:10 |
| knome | no problem | 02:10 |
| knome | is there something else you'd like me to work on now? :) | 02:11 |
| ScottL | can you start the "feature tour" page and make a link to them | 02:21 |
| ScottL | even if it isn't the "right" link for now, can be in the nav bar if that is easiest | 02:22 |
| knome | in the frontpage? | 02:22 |
| ScottL | sure | 02:22 |
| knome | something like this? | 02:23 |
| ScottL | and it might be best if you were to make five pages and just left me navigate to them and change the content if it isn't too much trouble | 02:23 |
| ScottL | that link works just fine :) | 02:23 |
| knome | hmm. | 02:23 |
| knome | will you have specific topics for each of the pages? | 02:24 |
| knome | i'd suggest creating /tour for the frontpage of tour | 02:24 |
| knome | then | 02:24 |
| knome | pages /tour/applications etc. as subpages, which you could link as "next" pages | 02:24 |
| ScottL | the idea was to use the front page slide show to show use cases with topical information | 02:24 |
| ScottL | then use the tour to really get technical for those use cases | 02:25 |
| knome | right | 02:25 |
| knome | so should the link to tour be different for each tab? | 02:25 |
| ScottL | mention "unlimited tracks for ardour" and "200+ plugins" and "jackd is hyper-lowlatency" blah | 02:25 |
| ScottL | no, i don't think so | 02:25 |
| knome | okay | 02:25 |
| ScottL | ultimately i just want a single button to start the tour | 02:25 |
| knome | yeah | 02:25 |
| knome | do you think the subpages idea would work? | 02:26 |
| knome | as said, you can make the pages look like you were scrolling through a single tour with many pages | 02:26 |
| ScottL | how is the "subpages" different from other pages? | 02:27 |
| ScottL | is that like the "slide show" on the front page | 02:27 |
| knome | no | 02:27 |
| knome | it's semantically correct, it affects the urls | 02:28 |
| knome | like | 02:28 |
| knome | http://us.org/tour/movies | 02:28 |
| knome | rather than | 02:28 |
| knome | http://us.org/tour-movies | 02:28 |
| ScottL | oh, yeah, i like that a lot :) | 02:28 |
| ScottL | yes, please | 02:28 |
| knome | done | 02:29 |
| ScottL | is it easy to create the buttons like the "download" button? do you think i can do it on the download page itself for direct links to latest image by copying what is on the front page? | 02:29 |
| knome | you just copy the markup | 02:29 |
| knome | i could create a simple shortcode | 02:30 |
| ScottL | outstanding | 02:30 |
| knome | which would be easier to use | 02:30 |
| ScottL | i think i can copy the markup easily | 02:30 |
| knome | eg. [linkbutton url=http://url/ title=Title] | 02:30 |
| knome | that would also make maintenance easier | 02:30 |
| ScottL | it's okay, i can copy the markup, my concern was that it would be accessible | 02:30 |
| knome | it will | 02:31 |
| ScottL | either way is fine, if there are advantages to shortcode then that is good too | 02:31 |
| knome | yeah, maintenance | 02:31 |
| knome | eg. if you suddenly want to change the style | 02:31 |
| ScottL | which ever is easiest for you or better for the site | 02:31 |
| knome | i can create the shortcode | 02:31 |
| knome | just a sec | 02:31 |
| ScottL | as long as the code is on the front page and i can get to it then i can use whatever you provide | 02:32 |
| knome | yup | 02:32 |
| knome | don't worry, i'm an expert ;) | 02:33 |
| ScottL | i don't want you to hash through making the buttons on the download page because it will be tedious and i will need to play with the layout design of the page to put things in the "right" place to be friendly and easy | 02:33 |
| knome | yeah. that's another reason why it's easy to use the shortcode | 02:34 |
| knome | it's cleaner markup too | 02:34 |
| ScottL | wife and daughter are getting over being sick and now i'm starting to feel bad :( | 02:36 |
| knome | :/ | 02:36 |
| ScottL | i've felt it coming on since this morning | 02:36 |
| ScottL | helping son again for fifteen minutes or so | 02:37 |
| knome | yup | 02:38 |
| knome | i'll hack the shortcode | 02:38 |
| knome | ok, the shortcode is set | 03:06 |
| knome | usage: | 03:07 |
| knome | [lb url="tour/"]Link title[/lb] | 03:07 |
| knome | i need to go to bed | 03:18 |
| knome | see you tomorrow | 03:18 |
| ScottL | thank you very much :) | 03:20 |
| len_ | ran rteval for 3 runs, sent results to email listed earlier. It appears it likes a little more memory than I have. | 06:30 |
| len_ | I did try booting to runlevel 1 or recovery, but then I got other errors. | 06:31 |
| len_ | I have 1G and it seems even with just lightdm running there is less than half left. | 06:32 |
| l33 | hi | 15:59 |
| scott-work | hi l33 | 16:05 |
| l33 | hi scott-work :) | 16:06 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, i am working on removing 'dssi-vst' from ubuntustudio seeds | 22:01 |
| scott-upstairs | i have removed dssi-vst from the audio-plugins seed | 22:01 |
| micahg | scott-upstairs: I saw your bug :) | 22:02 |
| scott-upstairs | should i just commit to bzr and stop | 22:02 |
| micahg | scott-upstairs: I can do a meta upload for you later in the week | 22:02 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, okay, i had instructions from persia to do more: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Update_ubuntustudio-meta | 22:02 |
| micahg | scott-upstairs: yeah, you can mention the bug in the bzr commit so that the branch is linked, then set to fix committed | 22:02 |
| scott-upstairs | this are older instructions for when i had originally worked on the seeds, but these were specific to getting the -meta updated | 22:03 |
| scott-upstairs | but i can certainly stop here and mention the bug | 22:03 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, you want i should subscribe ubuntu-sponsor? | 22:06 |
| micahg | unless you need it sooner than sometime before alpha 1, no need, I can take care of it for you | 22:07 |
| micahg | wait, unless there's another one already there in which case, it would make sense to get this one on the same list | 22:08 |
| scott-upstairs | micahg, this may be preventing an installable image for amd64, isn't it? | 22:08 |
| micahg | yeah, probably, go ahead an add sponsors and I'll try to grab it if I have time | 22:09 |
| scott-upstairs | will do, thank you | 22:13 |
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