[00:43] ScottL, you around? [00:52] apparently not. what a waste of freenode server bandwidth [00:52] ;) [00:59] knome, i'm here, but eating dinner, i'll be back in 5-10 minutes [01:00] okay [01:07] knome, i'm back [01:07] okay [01:07] i could work a bit with the website [01:07] oh, good :) [01:07] can you point me to the things that is maybe blocking or irritating you the most at the moment? [01:08] two large points about the front page [01:08] 1. links in the nav bar to other pages being completed/updated [01:08] you can add those yourself, but you can also tell me where to link [01:08] or, you should be able.. [01:09] 2. getting the "download" and "feature tour" buttons on the right side of the "slide show" text area [01:09] knome, i thought i looked at adding the pages but i was unsure how the make the new pages [01:09] like the contributor's blog page [01:09] if you look at the "audio" tab, there is artwork in the right side [01:09] should that be removed? [01:09] i mean, if you have the download links there, they would interfere [01:10] or should we only change the front front page to have the links there? [01:10] i wouldn't remove the artwork, but can we just stop the artwork before the right side of the page? [01:10] eg. keep the rest of the pages intact, but edit the frontpage tab [01:10] just enough to fit the buttons [01:10] hmmmm [01:10] i doubt it'd look good if you hide it any more [01:11] "hide it anymore" i'm not sure i understand [01:11] i mean [01:11] oh, you mean the download link [01:11] well i'm suggesting that we do what you proposed in the wiki for the frontpage [01:12] but keep the rest of the tabs intact [01:12] with space on the right side [01:12] oh, that sounds good then :) [01:12] does that sound sensible? [01:12] okay, good [01:13] i think in the spec that i even included a "download" link in the navbar as well [01:13] to avoid "hiding" the link (even though there is a big button there) [01:13] the buttons are an attempt to address two of the three main use cases [01:13] isn't there a download link in the navbar now? ;) [01:13] 1. people just wanting to download the latest iso [01:13] 2. people unfamiliar with ubuntu studio/linux to learn [01:14] so what's the thing with developer blogs? [01:14] 3. experienced users who want to contribute to ubuntu studio [01:14] is it just a different category in the blog, or is it aggregated? [01:14] knome, i see that the "blog" is a point of confusion for multiple people ;) [01:14] not aggregated [01:14] okay [01:14] and not "news" which is more formalized and for announcements [01:15] right [01:15] so "news" and "dev blog" should just show different categories from the blog? [01:15] the "blog" would be highly informal, and be musings on current development by various people [01:15] yeah, but technically speaking [01:16] http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/development/ <- this should be "blog" ? [01:16] http://knome.fi/temp/ubuntustudio/wordpress/category/release-notes/ <- and this "news" ? [01:17] knome, i'm unfamiliar with some of the nuances in wordpress (and drupal for that matter) [01:18] i had originally thought about having the blogs and news all together in a single page but don't think that is a good idea [01:18] let me try to rephrase it in a non-technical as-possible matter [01:18] as some might not really want the rss feed from the blog [01:18] so i was thinking that two separate pages which solely show their own content [01:18] the "News" page should show all articles in the "News" category [01:18] aye [01:18] and the "Designer blog" from "Blog" category [01:18] aye [01:18] okay [01:19] does that make it simpler? [01:19] a bit harder than current way, but it is still relatively trivial [01:19] we need to do some hardcoding with that though [01:20] how does the current way implement this? [01:20] all in a single page? [01:20] it just shows the "article front page" [01:20] yeah [01:20] we're going to mix news and blog in the xubuntu site [01:21] see: http://wp.xubuntu.org/ [01:21] "Latest news" is really just "Latest articles" [01:21] you can still subscribe to news-only rss [01:21] but in the xubuntu site, that's hidden by default (at least for now) [01:22] stochastci wanted a less "wall of text" resulting from news on the front page and i agreed after i thought about it [01:22] but that's easy to link to [01:22] it begets a much more simpler and perhaps zen-like front page [01:22] very accessible [01:23] the front page does not have articles from news right now [01:23] only the front page content [01:23] can we go through the links you want in the main navi one by one? [01:23] sure [01:24] i can create/fix them as we speak [01:24] let me pull up the spec [01:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/update-website-spec [01:24] there you go [01:24] hehe, you bet me [01:24] beat [01:25] well i had that open... [01:25] home, news, (contributor's) blog, download, tutorials (aka wiki), support, contribute (to development), feedback [01:25] i think that is pretty comprehensive, but please ignore the words inside the parenthesis [01:26] mm [01:27] where should feedback link to? [01:28] is there a feedback form that can be used? [01:28] so it emails the -dev mailing list [01:28] humm [01:28] great way for people to suggest changes or new packages to consider [01:28] one should create such, but i'm not sure if it's a good thing to enable a webform that sends directly to ML [01:30] do you have a suggestion on how we might provide a vector for users to make suggestions? [01:30] i'd say tell the users on the support page that you can give suggestions too [01:31] maybe the pagename could be "Support and Feedback" [01:31] good idea [01:31] we can "divide" the page vertically and the bottom for feedback [01:31] okay, the menu should be okay now [01:31] can you check that? [01:32] cool, i'll check now [01:32] (note that the news/blog links won't work as expected yet) [01:32] is it accessible to change the "designer blog" to simply "blog" ? [01:32] sure [01:32] done [01:33] this is a hard thing to tackle, the naming of it [01:33] you can always change it later [01:33] we're really not developers (i had thought first to call it developer blog) [01:33] team blog [01:33] hmmm, or development blog [01:33] or contributor blog [01:33] i'll think more on it and i think i can change it from what i know and have seen [01:33] or just blog [01:33] ;] [01:34] probably just go with blog, leave it a mystery that draws readers into looking at the page to understand why it differs from news [01:34] ;) [01:34] so what's with the idea to put the logo in the navbar? [01:34] won't fit with the current nav items... [01:34] disregard that please [01:34] hehe, sure :) [01:35] that was when i was compulsive about minimizing vertical space [01:35] so, the article styling [01:35] so you want to go with the style in the spec? [01:35] for the news/blog page? [01:35] yeah [01:35] oh, i don't care really, i just made that based off of another blog, i think default is probably just fine [01:35] okay [01:35] i'll make the metadata a bit more colorful [01:36] did you want excerpts for the "many posts" pages? (like the news-page) [01:36] knome, i just want to thank you again for the work you are doing, it's just bloody amazing :-) [01:36] no problem ;) [01:36] what is the "many posts" page? [01:36] click news [01:37] any page that shows more than one post per page [01:37] is this where it makes the posts two or three lines link and then says "click here for more"? [01:37] yes, do you want that? [01:37] s/link/long [01:37] sure [01:37] omay [01:37] err, *okay [01:38] should "News" or "Blog" be the default category when posting? [01:38] i think so [01:39] "news or blog" -> "yes" :? [01:39] yes [01:39] it's either news or blog, it can't be "yes" ? :D [01:40] sorry, i misunderstood the question [01:40] hehe [01:40] np... [01:40] probably news [01:40] okay [01:40] how difficult will it be to create the "feature tour" pages using documents and text? [01:41] can images be placed pretty freely in the page? [01:41] yeah [01:41] oh cool :) [01:41] with wordpress, you can align to left/right/center by default [01:41] that will make it much easier to develop these [01:41] there should be initial styles for those already too [01:41] heh, yeah [01:41] http://wp.xubuntu.org/about/ [01:41] that's right-aligned :) [01:43] i see :) [01:44] i remember seeing something on planet ubuntu where some guy made something like five pages as a feature tour for kubuntu [01:44] i thought it looks brilliant! with images that faded out next to the text [01:44] alternating image positioning left, then right, then left [01:44] mm-hmm [01:44] the text weaving through it [01:45] it looked really good [01:45] i could never find that post or those pages again :( [01:45] aweh [01:45] now i email myself links to anything that i think might help with styling [01:45] i have a label (folder) in my gmail account for artwork stuff [01:46] i'll be back in about five minutes [01:46] sure [01:51] okay, the news/blog links work now as wanted [01:52] they will show any articles in those categories, or any subcategories [01:52] see Posts -> Categories in admin [01:53] i already moved "known issues" and "release notes" under "news" [01:53] you can even create a subcategory in "blog" for every contributor [01:53] then it's easy to track them separately if wanted [01:59] cool, i'll look at it in a minute, working with son right now [01:59] knome, oh, good idea for the "blog" subcategories :) [02:00] oh, the question you had about the buttons on the right side of the "slide show" about just on the front page but not the other pages [02:00] i think i understand it now [02:01] you were asking if the buttons were to be hidden on all the slide show pages, weren't you knome ? [02:01] except the first page [02:06] yes [02:07] if you want to show them on all pages, that's not a problem either, but then i'd say we will have to drop the artwork from the background completely [02:08] oh :( [02:08] well, it's just conflicting too much [02:08] it would be nice if we could parse the right side of that "slide show" just like the section below it [02:08] and not have the artwork cross over to the right side section [02:09] what do you mean by parsing? :) [02:09] right... [02:09] there is still the problem [02:09] the artwork will interfere with the text on the left side then [02:10] ah, i see, you faded the image on the right [02:10] err, left [02:10] yes [02:10] hmmm, let me think about this a bit, i'll try to have an answer in a few days [02:10] no problem [02:11] is there something else you'd like me to work on now? :) [02:21] can you start the "feature tour" page and make a link to them [02:22] even if it isn't the "right" link for now, can be in the nav bar if that is easiest [02:22] in the frontpage? [02:22] sure [02:23] something like this? [02:23] and it might be best if you were to make five pages and just left me navigate to them and change the content if it isn't too much trouble [02:23] that link works just fine :) [02:23] hmm. [02:24] will you have specific topics for each of the pages? [02:24] i'd suggest creating /tour for the frontpage of tour [02:24] then [02:24] pages /tour/applications etc. as subpages, which you could link as "next" pages [02:24] the idea was to use the front page slide show to show use cases with topical information [02:25] then use the tour to really get technical for those use cases [02:25] right [02:25] so should the link to tour be different for each tab? [02:25] mention "unlimited tracks for ardour" and "200+ plugins" and "jackd is hyper-lowlatency" blah [02:25] no, i don't think so [02:25] okay [02:25] ultimately i just want a single button to start the tour [02:25] yeah [02:26] do you think the subpages idea would work? [02:26] as said, you can make the pages look like you were scrolling through a single tour with many pages [02:27] how is the "subpages" different from other pages? [02:27] is that like the "slide show" on the front page [02:27] no [02:28] it's semantically correct, it affects the urls [02:28] like [02:28] http://us.org/tour/movies [02:28] rather than [02:28] http://us.org/tour-movies [02:28] oh, yeah, i like that a lot :) [02:28] yes, please [02:29] done [02:29] is it easy to create the buttons like the "download" button? do you think i can do it on the download page itself for direct links to latest image by copying what is on the front page? [02:29] you just copy the markup [02:30] i could create a simple shortcode [02:30] outstanding [02:30] which would be easier to use [02:30] i think i can copy the markup easily [02:30] eg. [linkbutton url=http://url/ title=Title] [02:30] that would also make maintenance easier [02:30] it's okay, i can copy the markup, my concern was that it would be accessible [02:31] it will [02:31] either way is fine, if there are advantages to shortcode then that is good too [02:31] yeah, maintenance [02:31] eg. if you suddenly want to change the style [02:31] which ever is easiest for you or better for the site [02:31] i can create the shortcode [02:31] just a sec [02:32] as long as the code is on the front page and i can get to it then i can use whatever you provide [02:32] yup [02:33] don't worry, i'm an expert ;) [02:33] i don't want you to hash through making the buttons on the download page because it will be tedious and i will need to play with the layout design of the page to put things in the "right" place to be friendly and easy [02:34] yeah. that's another reason why it's easy to use the shortcode [02:34] it's cleaner markup too [02:36] wife and daughter are getting over being sick and now i'm starting to feel bad :( [02:36] :/ [02:36] i've felt it coming on since this morning [02:37] helping son again for fifteen minutes or so [02:38] yup [02:38] i'll hack the shortcode [03:06] ok, the shortcode is set [03:07] usage: [03:07] [lb url="tour/"]Link title[/lb] [03:18] i need to go to bed [03:18] see you tomorrow [03:20] thank you very much :) [06:30] ran rteval for 3 runs, sent results to email listed earlier. It appears it likes a little more memory than I have. [06:31] I did try booting to runlevel 1 or recovery, but then I got other errors. [06:32] I have 1G and it seems even with just lightdm running there is less than half left. [15:59] hi [16:05] hi l33 [16:06] hi scott-work :) [22:01] micahg, i am working on removing 'dssi-vst' from ubuntustudio seeds [22:01] i have removed dssi-vst from the audio-plugins seed [22:02] scott-upstairs: I saw your bug :) [22:02] should i just commit to bzr and stop [22:02] scott-upstairs: I can do a meta upload for you later in the week [22:02] micahg, okay, i had instructions from persia to do more: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Update_ubuntustudio-meta [22:02] scott-upstairs: yeah, you can mention the bug in the bzr commit so that the branch is linked, then set to fix committed [22:03] this are older instructions for when i had originally worked on the seeds, but these were specific to getting the -meta updated [22:03] but i can certainly stop here and mention the bug [22:06] micahg, you want i should subscribe ubuntu-sponsor? [22:07] unless you need it sooner than sometime before alpha 1, no need, I can take care of it for you [22:08] wait, unless there's another one already there in which case, it would make sense to get this one on the same list [22:08] micahg, this may be preventing an installable image for amd64, isn't it? [22:09] yeah, probably, go ahead an add sponsors and I'll try to grab it if I have time [22:13] will do, thank you