[17:11] <Pendulum> maco: fregl, can one of you do a write up on Kubuntu a11y plans for Precise that can go on the Ubuntu A11y team blog? (or find someone else who can write it?)
[17:13] <maco> Pendulum: i think "make it stop exploding" is the gist of it
[17:13] <Pendulum> maco: yes, but I'd like to do something for the blog :P
[17:14] <Pendulum> jono is going to do a general a11y plans post, but I'm going to aim to get specific blog posts out about the plans broken down the way we broke down the blueprints out on our blog as well (so one for Kubuntu, one for testing, one for devel, and one for community)
[17:14] <maco> other than that, i think we kinda are stuck for a qt version of orca
[17:15] <joanie> Orca will have a qt-based ui before too long for what it's worth
[17:15] <maco> joanie: yeah i know its on the roadmap, i just dont know if itll be ready for precise 
[17:16] <maco> we cant fit gtk on the cd to ship orca :-/
[17:16] <joanie> depends on when I get a chance to focus on it
[17:16] <joanie> maco who are you? I'm Orca project lead :)
[17:16] <joanie> I might could be persuaded to do the work sooner ;)
[17:17] <maco> oh shiny that
[17:17] <maco> i'm a worry-wart :P (oh no i turned into mum)
[17:18] <maco> joanie: if there's a qt version of orca, i'm the person who'll be trying to figure out how to make the installer set it up to run by default if used during install (and also getting the installer to offer it for use during install)
[17:19] <fregl> maco: I would not see it as drastically - make orca play nice is already a good goal
[17:19] <fregl> maco: the bigger problem is that plasma won't be able to use it any time soon
[17:19] <maco> ugh yeah.... :-/
[17:19] <joanie> +1 to that goal fregl 
[17:19] <joanie> where are we with that anyway?
[17:19] <fregl> Pendulum: I won't really get around to writing it
[17:20] <maco> i think kde still explodes when a11y is turne don
[17:20] <joanie> I've started installing KDE on all my systems but I've not yet had a chance to look at Orca with it 
[17:20] <fregl> joanie: I run my apps with qt a11y just fine. very seldom something crashes. now finetuning and corner cases are needed.
[17:21] <fregl> joanie: only with qt 4.8, most distros ship 4.7 which is useless
[17:21] <joanie> fregl I think F16 is 4.8
[17:21]  * joanie looks
[17:21] <maco> fregl: were things only exploading with the bridge, but working with kaccessible?
[17:21] <fregl> ah, nice
[17:21] <maco> (i dont remember explosions when i tested kaccessible on natty)
[17:21] <fregl> maco: I think yes
[17:22] <fregl> maco: good point, I keep forgetting about kaccessible
[17:22] <joanie> fregl: confirmed. I have qt 4.8 
[17:22] <maco> last cycle, i got kaccessible into the default kubuntu install
[17:22] <maco> but didnt get it hooked into the installer
[17:23] <maco> and then it was all "bridge bridge no more kaccessible" and then it didnt seem worth doing...and then things exploded...
[17:23] <fregl> joanie: wow, I should test fedora - building the stuff is easy - so I'll need to find someone to create a package
[17:23] <joanie> fregl: so then it is indeed worth it for me to prioritize making a Qt gui for Orca?
[17:24] <fregl> joanie: according to kubuntu folks yes
[17:24] <joanie> suhweet! :)
[17:24] <maco> in kubuntu we can either ship kaccessible or a qt version of orca. we dont have space for gtk. trouble with kaccessible is that if the user installs any gtk app later....they get squat
[17:25] <maco> regardless of which is chosen to be shipped, as fregl says, plasma is still sadface so im not really sure how the user will launch applications...but im sure some workaround can be found
[17:27] <fregl> yes, plasma it's either a) very hackish solution but I don't have time or b) properly done by adding graphicsview support which would require more time even
[17:27] <joanie> what's the story with plasma?
[17:28] <fregl> joanie: it's based on the graphicsview framework which we don't really have in scope to get accessible - the successor is qml/qt quick which will be. plasma will move. but not any time soon.
[17:28] <joanie> ah
[17:37] <maco> fregl: i wonder if itd be possible to port krunner to qml/qt-quick so that there's a way to launch things
[17:37] <fregl> maco: krunner uses a line edit - that should just work TM
[17:38] <fregl> I should try some time...
[17:40] <fregl> hm, it's not as easy as changing ld library path, this will have to wait :(
[17:40] <maco> uses a line edit?
[17:41] <maco> im confused
[17:42] <fregl> oh, maybe it is
[17:42] <fregl> ok, krunner works
[17:43] <fregl> at least the text entry which is the most important thing I guess... maybe
[17:43] <fregl> argh, but the list below
[17:44] <fregl> maco: well, the line edit in krunner is working fine, the list below is not... I guess that's not good enough
[20:12] <jono> Pendulum, do you have that content yet?