[08:40] <ruudt> Where can I find some hello world programs? I would like to write an app that accesses internet, reads xml files, downloads images and displays them. I'd prefer to use the framebuffer if that is possible to avoid to much overhead. The program needs to be as simple as possible
[08:41] <ruudt> Not yet decided on programming language, and still not sure how to actually build any program though (yes, quickly, but that won't fit my previous list of demands)
[08:43] <ruudt> JanC Pointed me to some websites for frambuffer and said I could probably use existing programs to do what I want. but I haven't found any resources that start from the level I am on now
[08:47] <noodles775> sheesh, that was fast.
[11:04] <jml> wow. django is its own little world, isn't it
[11:05] <noodles775> jml: heh - what have you found now? :)
[11:05] <jml> noodles775: 'import django' raises an error unless an environment variable is set
[11:09] <jml> A guy across the road from me just left his macbook on  window sill
[11:09] <jml> tilted down slightly toward the street three stories below
[11:10] <noodles775> ?! Maybe he's streaming from the web-cam (and testing how many floors his wireless is good for)
[11:10] <rickspencer3> jml, so, are you saying with a couple friends, a blanket, and a tennis ball, you can have a free macbook?
[11:10] <jml> rickspencer3: yep!
[11:11] <jml> actually he's back now, I think I could get it if I just stood below, gave him a good fright and managed an easy catch
[11:11] <jml> noodles775: I'm guessing he's trying to get free wifi from somewhere
[11:13] <noodles775> jml: I'm not sure if this is the env var you're talking about: http://paste.ubuntu.com/745796/
[11:15] <jml> noodles775: yeah that one. Although I confess I was doing "from django import test"
[11:16] <lukasz> jml: afaik, as long as you're not touching db in django you don't need settings module (tests are pulling db setup stuff)
[11:43] <jo-erlend> rickspencer3 :)
[11:54] <jml> OK. Now that the plumber has been and gone, I'm going to have a shower.
[11:54] <jml> \o/
[11:59] <jo-erlend> ah, thank you. I didn't want to say anything. :)
[13:13] <jml> OK. So here are my yaks: bug 893520, bug 893539 and bug 887960
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893520 in pkgme "DistributionNotFound error when running system-installed pkgme" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893520
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893539 in python-fixtures "Inconsistent names for built-in fixtures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893539
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 887960 in pkgme-service "Run tests with testr" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887960
[13:13] <jml> oh and 893563
[13:13] <jml> bug 893563
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893563 in pkgme-service "No "nice" way to run tests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893563
[13:30] <noodles775> jml: if you run virtualenv/bin/python, you should have access to import all the packages that have been installed in the virtualenv. I'm no virtualenv expert, but I think the description of bug 893563 is confused.
[13:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893563 in pkgme-service "No "nice" way to run tests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893563
[13:31] <noodles775> If you have time to mumble, I'd be keen to understand it - but it's really just for my own learning, so I understand if you just want to fix it.
[13:31] <jml> noodles775: ok, sure, let's mumble
[14:08] <jml> james_w: https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/pkgme-service/actually-run-pkgme/+merge/83024 is at a good point for a review, I think
[14:08]  * jml → food
[14:09]  * james_w jumps on it
[14:14] <noodles775> jml, james_w: oh, I meant to ask you guys - do you think it would be beneficial to start reviewing different projects (I obviously do think so :-), just having other developers with different experience can lead to a lot of learning)
[14:14] <james_w> noodles775, I do
[14:16] <james_w> noodles775, do you want to review this branch?
[14:16] <noodles775> james_w: heh, no - not quite yet, but I just wanted to find out whether you guys were open to the idea.
[14:16] <james_w> I am and I expect jml will be
[14:18] <jml> I am
[14:23] <james_w> reviewed
[14:50] <jml> james_w: thanks.
[14:50] <jml> james_w: I'd move acceptance into the namespace, but I can't run pkgme-binary tests atm (because of the subunit/pkg_resources bug)
[14:58] <james_w> jml, so the problem is that python-subunit doesn't ship the egg-info dir in the package?
[14:58] <jml> james_w: is it?
[14:59] <james_w> that's what it looks like to me
[15:01] <jml> Hmm.
[15:02] <jml> Bottom.
[15:03] <james_w> jml, so subunit is just a test dependency
[15:03] <jml> james_w: yeah, I guess so
[15:03] <james_w> so we could look at moving it in setup.py or something
[15:05] <jml> right. have a test-requirements thing like many ISD projects do
[15:32] <jml> james_w: call?
[15:32] <james_w> jml, yup
[15:32] <james_w> on mumble if that suits you
[15:37] <jml> james_w: http://pad.ubuntu.com/dTPkqhGow8
[15:37] <jo-erlend> perhaps someone with access should delete the page about data storage from developer.ubuntu.com since that will no longer be available?
[15:43] <james_w> jml, still there?
[15:44] <jml> james_w: hello?
[15:44] <jml> james_w: my internet connection died :(
[15:45] <jml> james_w: and now mumble greyscreens on connect
[15:45] <james_w> damn
[16:14] <noodles775> james_w: Here's the info about the juju charm: http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/a-generic-juju-charm-for-django-apps/
[16:16] <james_w> noodles775, excellent, thanks
[16:16]  * james_w queues it up for reading
[16:19] <james_w> jo-erlend, you raise a good point, I'll pass it on to the relevant people
[17:04] <james_w> noodles775, looks great, nice work
[17:05] <james_w> noodles775, changing the paths in the branch broke a link or two in your post though
[17:05] <noodles775> james_w: they're working now I think?
[17:05] <james_w> where you point to loggerhead urls inside the branch, the paths are now wrong
[17:05] <james_w> oh
[17:05]  * noodles775 just went through them all.
[17:05] <noodles775> Let me know if that's not the case.
[17:05] <james_w> didn't refresh, sorry
[17:07] <noodles775> np. So it's demo-able now, but a good list of things we'd need to do when we want to actually use it.
[17:07] <noodles775> Night all!
[17:12] <james_w> night
[17:13]  * jml → kickboxing
[18:22] <dpm> jo-erlend, thanks, and as James says, good point. Would you mind filing a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+filebug so that we can keep track of it and fix it as soon as we can?
[18:23] <dpm> apart from that, calling it a day now, so see you all tomorrow!
[18:25] <james_w> oh, I filled it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal, was that incorrect?