/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/22/#ubuntu-arm.txt

bge0	Hello Everyone, I recently got a donate board from TI. It's the LogicPD OmapL138EVM board. Would anyone happen to know if this board supports ubuntu11arm?	00:23
GrueMaster	what processor is it? Arm11?	00:35
GrueMaster	We only support Armv7 (Cortex A8 & Cortex A9).	00:36
An-iSociaL	howdy how GrueMaster	00:37
GrueMaster	An-iSociaL: Hey. Get your kernel up?	00:37
twb	GrueMaster: internet says ARM926 core	00:37
An-iSociaL	negative :(	00:37
An-iSociaL	not down yet though, still trudging	00:38
GrueMaster	Aww, sad face. Good luck.	00:38
GrueMaster	I'm EOD. Time for Skyrim.	00:39
An-iSociaL	laters	00:39
bge0	I think OmapL138--> A8, i believe	00:40
bge0	Oh whoops it has an ARM926EJ-S + C6748 VLIW DSP	00:41
bge0	any chance of seeing ubuntu on this system? i miss aptitude :(	00:42
twb	bge0: debian armel then	00:42
bge0	ty! ill look into it	00:43
An-iSociaL	and howdy to you too twb, sorry i didnt see you there	00:43
twb	An-iSociaL: whatever	00:43
An-iSociaL	lol	00:43
An-iSociaL	hmph	00:43
An-iSociaL	whatre you upto?	00:47
bge0	twb: I'm looking up debian armtel, but there seems to only be support for iop32x, ixp4xx, kirkwood and orion5x	01:13
twb	http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort	01:15
twb	You're not going to get turnkey installation, but it certainly seems to support OMAP1/2/3 boards	01:16
bge0	yea I figured it wouldn't be quite that easy	01:16
twb	But if you aren't attached to the board I would suggest getting something armv7 flavoured, since everybody is switching to those	01:18
bge0	Well it's a pretty nice board though. i would feel bad scrapping it. It has a good onboard dsp too	01:20
twb	Shrug	01:22
bge0	Well, I guess I might just stick with the linux port that the board came with	01:26
bge0	ty though	01:26
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lilstevie	An-iSociaL: that unable to open /dev/fb0 is indicating that the fb patch from the chromeos code review didn't take	01:34
An-iSociaL	aha	01:35
An-iSociaL	well im not ready to give in just yet	01:37
lilstevie	An-iSociaL: http://www.cactuar.net/uploads/Xoom_Debian/xoomkernel-gnu.patch over https://github.com/Tiamat%E2%80%93AOSP/Tiamat-Xoom	01:39
An-iSociaL	ah	01:40
An-iSociaL	ill have to manually patch that in	01:40
An-iSociaL	the AOSP tiamat is old	01:41
An-iSociaL	but im using his latest version	01:41
An-iSociaL	the only kernel i could get to ocmpile properly	01:41
An-iSociaL	compile*	01:41
An-iSociaL	right now i cant seem to generate another working initrd	01:45
An-iSociaL	:/	01:51
An-iSociaL	i keep ending up with the installer	01:51
An-iSociaL	there..	01:56
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lilstevie	An-iSociaL: you want that installer "oem-config" so you can set up a user and shit	01:57
An-iSociaL	yea i got it, i think i was doing something ignorant by trying to use relative path for initrd output from mkinitramfs	01:59
An-iSociaL	did the initrd installer steps manually, format, extract, write fstab, touch oem-config so itll run	01:59
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An-iSociaL	got a nice bootup, only kernel module to fail was btfrs with unknown symbol _global_offset_table_ which is caused by my cross compiler	02:00
An-iSociaL	video failed, as if im shocked, it flashed a couple times trying to switch but never did	02:01
An-iSociaL	so, on to the patch	02:01
An-iSociaL	did you already update this patch lilstevie ?	02:14
lilstevie	not my patch	02:25
int_ua	Sorry for interrupting but are there any team that works with Nokia N900? apachelogger, mpoirier, rbelem, someone else?	02:27
An-iSociaL	ok all patched up	02:54
An-iSociaL	booting	02:54
An-iSociaL	whatup! ubuntu is booted with xdesktop on my Motorola Xoom!	02:56
An-iSociaL	tyvm lilstevie	02:57
An-iSociaL	now next problem	02:59
An-iSociaL	there's no touch lol	02:59
int_ua	An-iSociaL: What is the touchscreen hardware?	03:00
An-iSociaL	err, i actually dont know	03:01
int_ua	Can you execute lsusb? :)	03:01
An-iSociaL	i would love to	03:03
An-iSociaL	but	03:03
An-iSociaL	no keyboard	03:03
An-iSociaL	lol	03:03
An-iSociaL	let me get adbd installed onto it, then i can use a usb terminal	03:03
An-iSociaL	the only touchscreen enabled in a default config is CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_QUANTUM_OBP	03:03
An-iSociaL	one sec on the lsusb	03:04
An-iSociaL	http://pastebin.com/iRgkqPnF	03:07
An-iSociaL	if youre the nerdy type like me, theres my dmesg log	03:07
int_ua	Offtopic: Why 2.6.36? (I just started reading IRC)	03:09
lilstevie	An-iSociaL: ok, now that patch had my touchscreen patch	03:12
An-iSociaL	its just what was available	03:12
lilstevie	int_ua: because thats what exists	03:12
An-iSociaL	hm lilstevie...	03:12
An-iSociaL	i did all the sections, and reverted one change cuz it broke something	03:12
lilstevie	which one?	03:12
An-iSociaL	so, it should work then	03:12
An-iSociaL	the one you linked	03:13
An-iSociaL	http://www.cactuar.net/uploads/Xoom_Debian/xoomkernel-gnu.patch	03:13
lilstevie	yeah, which change did you revert	03:13
int_ua	lilstevie: I asked because the only kernel I can boot on N900 is 2.6.35. And I don't know the reason yet.	03:13
An-iSociaL	just a define in fb_tegra which was being used by dc.c	03:13
lilstevie	also, YMMV with the touch patch	03:13
lilstevie	revert it	03:14
An-iSociaL	mmk lemme figure out where that is in here...	03:14
lilstevie	ubuntu from natty on, includes handling in evdev for what my patch does, that patch was done because debian doesn't have the same evdev handling	03:14
lilstevie	although it should just be ignored	03:15
An-iSociaL	touchscreen/qtouch_obp_ts.c	03:15
An-iSociaL	?	03:15
lilstevie	yep	03:15
An-iSociaL	ok and away i go	03:15
lilstevie	bbs	03:17
lilstevie	lunch	03:17
An-iSociaL	k ttyiab	03:17
An-iSociaL	unpatched, compiled, flashed and now we're booting	03:18
An-iSociaL	ugh	03:20
An-iSociaL	still no touch and adbd didnt start	03:21
An-iSociaL	lets try this again	03:21
An-iSociaL	attempted fix on adbd	03:24
An-iSociaL	and im gonna have a smoke	03:24
An-iSociaL	i have touch...	03:27
An-iSociaL	its just... not quite right	03:27
An-iSociaL	and adbd didnt start again :/	03:29
An-iSociaL	is there another way to get a shell over usb?	03:29
An-iSociaL	ok the touch device doesnt seem to register clicks	03:37
An-iSociaL	it thinks theyre mouseovers	03:37
An-iSociaL	and still no adbd	03:38
An-iSociaL	this is going to be difficult	03:38
lilstevie	ok, let me eat	03:40
lilstevie	I will gen a patch of it	03:40
An-iSociaL	oh cool	03:40
An-iSociaL	dont choke cuz you think im waiting tho.. enjoy it	03:41
An-iSociaL	ive been working on this for a solid week and this is the furthest ive been able to get	03:41
lilstevie	heh	03:42
lilstevie	ask twb I don't rush for anyone	03:42
An-iSociaL	lol cool	03:42
lilstevie	btw twb known bug exists on 32GB tfs with u-boot	03:42
twb	sad face	03:43
lilstevie	twb: for some reason it will only rawread, and not read the partition	03:43
twb	I haven't tried your latest .38 with asus bl yet either, because all these 360 games came out last week	03:43
lilstevie	even though it can locate it	03:43
lilstevie	hah	03:44
lilstevie	I want a 360 so i can play fable3	03:44
lilstevie	and new games	03:44
lilstevie	cause my ps3 is 3.55-MFW	03:45
twb	I have a 360 because 1) I've given up on the games industry getting FOSSilized anytime this decade; and 2) it's turn-key. I don't need to give a shit about h/w drivers or windows licensing or so on	03:45
lilstevie	lol	03:46
lilstevie	I also want to get a slim, and glitch attack it	03:46
lilstevie	linux + games on the 360	03:46
twb	if slim is the new black ones, they have really noisy PSU fans	03:46
An-iSociaL	indeed twb, you can just turn it on and play, no thinking about shit	03:47
An-iSociaL	i enjoy systems like that	03:47
lilstevie	twb: and the old ones were really loud with the exhaust fans	03:47
twb	I would like to play online but then I have to give MS money, and the menus inside teh 360 become much more annoying	03:47
twb	lilstevie: it's a fan inside the power brick	03:47
twb	lilstevie: smaller than the one inside the main case on the white units, i.e. noisier	03:47
twb	lilstevie: I have both units	03:48
lilstevie	heh	03:48
lilstevie	I don't really care	03:48
twb	I guess if you have the volume of the game up it's not noticable	03:48
twb	I usually mute it and read a book via synthesizer	03:49
twb	I would be a lot happier with steam, I think, if ICBF dealing with the non-turn-key-ness	03:49
lilstevie	lol	03:51
twb	Having to shuffle CDs is a pain, and I don't enjoy dealing with the monkeys at the game store	03:53
An-iSociaL	wow finally	03:57
An-iSociaL	http://pastebin.com/CuwfZqxW	03:57
An-iSociaL	lsusb	03:57
An-iSociaL	very short list	03:57
An-iSociaL	i somehow am pretty sure thats wrong	03:58
An-iSociaL	asin incorrect, not misreported	03:58
int_ua	hm	04:00
int_ua	corresponds with dmesg. So it must be connected somewhere else. lspci? lshw?	04:00
An-iSociaL	lemme run those out	04:01
An-iSociaL	im cheating and putting in startup scripts since i cant type lol	04:01
lilstevie	yeah, they don't connect via usb	04:02
An-iSociaL	if i dont get something workable tonight ill go buy a usb adapter tomorrow so i can plugin a keyboard+mouse	04:04
An-iSociaL	just for testing	04:04
An-iSociaL	lspci is empty	04:16
lilstevie	ofc	04:16
An-iSociaL	heres a neat empty lshw	04:16
lilstevie	nothing connects via pci	04:16
An-iSociaL	near*	04:16
An-iSociaL	http://pastebin.com/qJxwEgNf	04:17
lilstevie	yeah, arm connectivity doesn't really show up	04:17
An-iSociaL	seems like nearly nothing is working	04:17
An-iSociaL	ah	04:17
An-iSociaL	mmk	04:17
lilstevie	most things connect via i2c and i2s	04:17
An-iSociaL	ive got alot of work ahead of me here	04:20
An-iSociaL	milestone 1 has passed	04:20
lilstevie	heh	04:20
lilstevie	it doesn't go any quicker either	04:20
lilstevie	I have been working on the tf101 for months	04:21
An-iSociaL	hehehe	04:23
An-iSociaL	well anything gained too easily we esteem too lightly	04:23
An-iSociaL	or somethin like that	04:23
An-iSociaL	once i get this done my next goal is adual kernel	04:26
An-iSociaL	do a pendrive type linux, put it on my evo, run it side by side with android and use the hdmi out for a full desktop	04:28
An-iSociaL	then use a bluetooth keyboard n mouse	04:28
An-iSociaL	tiny pc	04:28
lilstevie	heh good luck with the hdmi part	04:30
An-iSociaL	shouldnt be so difficult, the hdmi under normal linux just shows up as fb1	04:31
An-iSociaL	normal android*	04:31
An-iSociaL	there's just no virtual terminal devices to hook into	04:31
lilstevie	yeah, you would think so	04:36
lilstevie	but at least on my tegra device, it doesn;t really work	04:36
lilstevie	doesn't*	04:36
An-iSociaL	hehe	04:38
An-iSociaL	well its gonna be awhile off before i embark on that	04:38
An-iSociaL	right now im aiming at full ubuntu	04:38
An-iSociaL	then xbmc media center	04:38
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lilstevie	you will need accel for that	04:42
lilstevie	and that isn't going to happen with the kernel you are running	04:42
An-iSociaL	yea need to get the nvidia tegra drivers to function	04:42
An-iSociaL	likely try out the android 4.0 kernel for the xbmc build	04:43
An-iSociaL	it should be much more updated	04:43
lilstevie	still may not help	04:45
lilstevie	the android driver interface is different to the L4T interface	04:45
An-iSociaL	hmm	04:47
An-iSociaL	only problem is the damn stingray stuff	04:47
An-iSociaL	as i recall when i was on kernel.org, they have ventana in 3.0	04:47
lilstevie	that doesn't mean anything really	04:48
An-iSociaL	itll help alot	04:48
lilstevie	nearly every device has a different pinmux	04:48
An-iSociaL	hmm	05:00
An-iSociaL	i think its crashing	05:00
An-iSociaL	yes! i have adb shell!	05:11
An-iSociaL	now i can do somehting	05:11
lilstevie	heh	05:12
An-iSociaL	so uhm, hows that lunch there?	05:24
lilstevie	eaten	05:26
lilstevie	got a link to the kernel you use	05:26
lilstevie	like its git	05:26
An-iSociaL	http://code.tiamat-dev.com/tegra2/tiamat-xoom/commits/tiamat	05:26
An-iSociaL	git://code.tiamat-dev.com/tegra2/tiamat-xoom.git	05:27
An-iSociaL	thats the one i cloned	05:27
lilstevie	yeah looking at the touch driver now	05:34
lilstevie	patch out input_set_capability(ts->input_dev, EV_KEY, BTN_2); and input_set_abs_params(ts->input_dev, ABS_HAT0X,	05:35
lilstevie	and any other HAT*	05:36
lilstevie	which is input_set_abs_params(ts->input_dev, ABS_HAT0Y,	05:36
An-iSociaL	mmk	05:36
lilstevie	and that should do it	05:36
An-iSociaL	sweet	05:39
An-iSociaL	thanks	05:39
An-iSociaL	we'll know in a couple mins	05:39
lilstevie	fingers crossed	05:41
An-iSociaL	and we're booting...	05:47
An-iSociaL	switched cross compilers too, the newer one was playing tricks with my kernel modules	05:48
An-iSociaL	thats a fail	05:48
lilstevie	heh yeah	05:48
lilstevie	awh damn	05:48
lilstevie	ok, have your brought up wifi yet?	05:48
An-iSociaL	cant get it to come up	05:48
An-iSociaL	unable to mount rootfs on unknown block	05:49
lilstevie	ok, insmod <name of wifi mod> firmware_path=/path/to/firmware.bin nvram_path=/path/to/nvram.txt iface_name=wlan0	05:49
An-iSociaL	wth	05:49
lilstevie	and use wpa_supplicant	05:49
An-iSociaL	kernel panic	05:49
lilstevie	ok, well you have adb	05:57
lilstevie	so you can transfer a file	05:57
lilstevie	find the evtest deb	05:57
An-iSociaL	just got the wireless module loaded...	05:57
An-iSociaL	its not coming up anyway	05:58
lilstevie	yeah, you need to use wpa_supplicant	05:58
An-iSociaL	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/armel/evtest	05:58
An-iSociaL	that?	05:58
lilstevie	yep	05:58
lilstevie	figure out which input event is the touchscreen	05:59
lilstevie	(it will be in the dmesg and the Xorg log	05:59
lilstevie	)	05:59
An-iSociaL	ok cool	06:00
An-iSociaL	im goping nuts over here, this thing isnt really setup all that well	06:01
An-iSociaL	going*	06:01
An-iSociaL	can i paste here?	06:01
An-iSociaL	like 2 long lines	06:01
lilstevie	k	06:02
An-iSociaL	dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 3214 package 'language-pack-es':	06:02
An-iSociaL	`Pre-Depends' field, invalid package name `d`kg': character ``' not allowed (only letters, digits and characters `-+._')	06:02
An-iSociaL	its jacked	06:02
lilstevie	hm	06:02
lilstevie	odd	06:02
lilstevie	you can always manually extract anyway	06:02
lilstevie	it is an ar archive	06:03
An-iSociaL	Event: time 172.655713, type 1 (Key), code 330 (Touch), value 0	06:06
An-iSociaL	thats me picking my finger up	06:06
lilstevie	ok touch the screen a few times	06:06
lilstevie	move it around a little	06:07
lilstevie	do a two finger touch	06:07
lilstevie	then pastie the result	06:07
An-iSociaL	http://pastebin.com/6236hXgC	06:08
lilstevie	hmm	06:09
lilstevie	the X/Y seem out of bounds	06:09
lilstevie	one finger center of screen on then off	06:09
An-iSociaL	http://pastebin.com/9tx9b2BZ	06:11
An-iSociaL	bout as close as i can guess	06:11
lilstevie	you still have btn_2 and the hat stuff in the driver	06:14
An-iSociaL	its there, just commented	06:15
lilstevie	it isn't :)	06:15
An-iSociaL	not in what im using atm	06:15
lilstevie	if the set_abs_params and set_bit was out it wouldn't show up	06:15
An-iSociaL	the compile from the changes somehow caused a kernel panic	06:15
An-iSociaL	so i reflashed an older kernel image	06:16
An-iSociaL	maybe something went sideways, lemme try again	06:16
lilstevie	with set_bit for those parts evdev generally tries to treat the tsp as a touchpad	06:18
An-iSociaL	attempting to boot	06:19
An-iSociaL	panic	06:20
lilstevie	try going back to that other toolchain	06:20
An-iSociaL	k	06:20
lilstevie	it may be the change in toolchain that screwed it	06:20
An-iSociaL	recompiling	06:21
An-iSociaL	hey i really appreciate the help	06:22
lilstevie	np, I don't mind	06:23
An-iSociaL	rebooting	06:24
An-iSociaL	and panic	06:25
An-iSociaL	thats so weird	06:25
lilstevie	hm	06:25
An-iSociaL	let me try something else	06:26
lilstevie	I helped liv2 with debian too :p	06:26
An-iSociaL	aha	06:26
An-iSociaL	mr smart guy	06:26
An-iSociaL	i still dont know how he did it	06:27
An-iSociaL	my xoom no matter what kernel panics if i try to boot from normal boot partition	06:27
An-iSociaL	if i try to use the sdcard	06:28
An-iSociaL	i have to go through recovery to get access to it	06:28
An-iSociaL	im trying your changes with a modded config, compiling it now, gonna take a bit longer as a lot more things are enabled	06:29
lilstevie	yeah he had to go through recoveery too	06:29
lilstevie	kk	06:29
An-iSociaL	ah, see now in every tutorial i found recovery was never mentioned	06:29
An-iSociaL	it was like ooh magic it works	06:30
lilstevie	heh	06:31
An-iSociaL	building new initrd	06:34
lilstevie	hehk	06:34
An-iSociaL	and we're booting again	06:36
lilstevie	cool	06:37
lilstevie	with the patch?	06:37
An-iSociaL	aha no panic	06:37
An-iSociaL	need to stick with this config...	06:37
An-iSociaL	yep w/patch	06:37
lilstevie	ok cool	06:37
An-iSociaL	im gonna need to put this somewhere	06:38
An-iSociaL	like for people to use	06:38
lilstevie	heh	06:38
lilstevie	git it	06:38
lilstevie	now how is the touch going, or no x yet	06:39
An-iSociaL	sounds like a plan, i would like to host a kernel binary too for people like me who go nuts	06:39
lilstevie	yeah	06:39
An-iSociaL	ok i just tried to click continue	06:39
lilstevie	well thats what I do	06:39
An-iSociaL	it registered a down but not an up	06:39
lilstevie	http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191141	06:39
An-iSociaL	ah youre a member too :)	06:40
An-iSociaL	nice work	06:42
An-iSociaL	ugh i lost adb	06:45
lilstevie	hm, don't know how you lost adb	06:46
lilstevie	for me it is something I just cannot kill	06:46
An-iSociaL	its hacked in...	06:48
An-iSociaL	comes up n says cannot bind tcp:5037	06:48
An-iSociaL	hmm	06:49
An-iSociaL	and you dont have qtouch in your kernel tree	06:49
An-iSociaL	must be specific	06:49
lilstevie	no, I have a different panel	06:49
lilstevie	my devices have atmel mxt touch panels	06:49
lilstevie	and there isn't a "universal arm tree" so to speak	06:50
An-iSociaL	hm	06:51
An-iSociaL	https://github.com/LIV2/LIV2-Xoom-GNU/blob/tiamat_stock_gpu/drivers/input/touchscreen/qtouch_obp_ts.c	06:51
An-iSociaL	liv2's kernel still has those HAT0X/Y	06:51
An-iSociaL	wonder if he did any fixes to his	06:52
lilstevie	no I left them behind	06:52
lilstevie	main thing is getting rid of btn2	06:53
lilstevie	but I see no point in keeping hat0x/y	06:53
An-iSociaL	yea neither do it, its made no difference	06:54
An-iSociaL	could this be as simple as a config in ubunbtu itself/	06:55
An-iSociaL	?	06:55
lilstevie	nah it really shouldn't make a difference at this point	06:55
An-iSociaL	mmk	06:55
lilstevie	everything left are valid touch coords	06:56
lilstevie	and evdev ignores those that it doesn't use	06:56
lilstevie	actually can you evtest again	06:56
An-iSociaL	no adb	06:57
lilstevie	bleh	06:57
An-iSociaL	yea, quite the pickle	06:57
An-iSociaL	can i put adbd into the initrd?	06:58
lilstevie	possibly, not tested it myself	06:58
lilstevie	and really, that shouldn't affect anything	06:58
An-iSociaL	must be a usb thing then	06:58
lilstevie	probably	07:03
An-iSociaL	alright, well im stumped and rather tired	07:11
An-iSociaL	so im going to take a break for tonight	07:11
lilstevie	k	07:16
punxos	Hi	08:15
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S0NiC	hi	09:44
S0NiC	can anyone give me a good howto to crosscompile for arm7 technology? thanks in advance	09:48
brendand	guys, whenever i finish the oem-config for the 11.10 desktop image on the pandaboard i briefly see lightdm and then the screen flickers and switches off	09:55
brendand	anyone seen this	09:55
brendand	?	09:55
brendand	i've tried a few times	09:55
ogra_	not here	09:56
ogra_	what kind of panda is that ? 4430 or 4460 ?	09:56
ogra_	i know the 4460 still hat temperature issues with the 11.10 kernel	09:56
brendand	well, it's Rev A1 if that says anything	09:57
ruudt	thats 4430 says google	09:59
ogra_	well, that should definitely work	09:59
brendand	maybe it's my damn monitor	10:03
ruudt	what would be the easiest way to develop programs for a minimal ubuntu installation? Given that I need internet and show images	10:03
ogra_	got the chance to try another ?	10:03
brendand	ogra - i can try my TV :)	10:03
ogra_	yeah, do that	10:03
ruudt	brendand: what happens if you wait a few minutes? Just to rule out temperature issues?	10:04
ogra_	might be an issue in the EDID parsing	10:04
ogra_	ruudt, the 4430 shouldnt have any temp issues	10:04
ogra_	for the 4460 i know it for sure that we have them though	10:04
ruudt	ow ok, sorry, I was guessing	10:04
ruudt	has any of you any programming experience for linux?	10:05
ogra_	ruudt, we have the ubuntu-core images that you can use as a base for rolling specific minimal rootfses	10:05
ruudt	I mean, I just installed quickly, but it is not really what I need	10:05
ruudt	orgra_ I have an installation. But need to build a custom app	10:06
ogra_	ah	10:06
ogra_	well, quickly would be a good start if you actually want gtk and python apps	10:06
ruudt	getting a working installation took several days of trying though :(	10:06
ogra_	not sure where it stands with things like C	10:06
ogra_	ouch	10:06
ogra_	what board is that ?	10:06
ogra_	something we support ?	10:06
ruudt	beagleboard xm rev c	10:07
ogra_	ah, yeah, revC is a constant headdache	10:07
ruudt	damn, is it that bad?	10:07
ogra_	will hopefully be better in 12.04	10:07
ruudt	won't help me now	10:08
ogra_	well, we didnt have one in the team to test on it until very recently before release	10:08
ogra_	and it came out after kernel freeze and feature freeze	10:08
ruudt	Can I, with quickly then also develop programs that don't rely on X to display the images?	10:08
ogra_	you might, i have never used quickly to be honest	10:08
ruudt	What do you use?	10:09
ogra_	shell, C, whatever else suits the usecase	10:09
brendand	ogra - yeah, TV works perfectly	10:09
brendand	bl**dy pos samsung monitor :/	10:09
ogra_	(for quick GUI apps i usually take python/gtk and later re-implem,ent in C/gtk)	10:09
ogra_	brendand, yeah, blame the monitor ...	10:10
brendand	although - TV doesn't have DVI so it was a HDMI -> HDMI connection	10:10
brendand	whereas monitor doesn't have HDMI so it's HDMI -> DVI	10:10
brendand	so it might be that and not EDID	10:10
ogra_	that shouldnt make it break though	10:10
brendand	well, i don't know. also the v-alignment is off on the monitor	10:11
brendand	there is about 4 inches on the LHS with just static in it	10:11
ogra_	did you try the auto adjustment of the monitor ?	10:11
brendand	but not on the TV	10:11
brendand	ogra - yeah	10:11
ogra_	also look if there is an overscan setting in the menu	10:11
ogra_	and switch that off	10:12
ogra_	though that shouldnt lead to no pic at all	10:12
ogra_	only to a cut off pic	10:12
brendand	no overscan setting i can see	10:14
brendand	i'll just have to commandeer the telly for now	10:14
ogra_	well, you could wait for robclark to get up, he might know the monitor models that still have EDID issues	10:15
ogra_	(i thought they were solved, but apparently they arent)	10:15
brendand	ogra_ - i'm pretty sure i had EDID issues with this one before	10:15
ogra_	how about using hdmi on the monitor	10:15
brendand	doesn't have it	10:15
infinity	brendand: When you were connecting to the DVI monitor, did you use the other HDMI port? (The one marked hdmi-dvi)	10:17
infinity	Or DVI-D, on some boards. Whatever. The one on the right. :P	10:17
brendand	infinity - ah. i'm using the one that worked for me before. the one on the left	10:19
infinity	brendand: The one on the left is HDMI, the one on the right is HDMI-DVI. In theory. I don't use the one on the right, cause everything here is straight HDMI.	10:20
brendand	infinity - well. i no longer have a problem	10:21
brendand	that works perfectly	10:21
ogra_	hah	10:21
ruudt	so to sum up, you must use the right one if you connect to a dvi monitor	10:22
brendand	pebkac	10:22
ogra_	the one that is labeled DVI, yes :)	10:22
brendand	ruudt - since oneiric, yes	10:22
infinity	ogra_: Pfft, like anyone reads silscreening (except me, apparently).	10:22
ogra_	heh	10:23
infinity	s/sil/silk/	10:23
brendand	in fact i never even looked at the labels	10:23
brendand	just used the one that worked	10:23
ruudt	When infinity asked which connector I was looking that up, because on beagleboard you'd best connect to dvi as well :P	10:23
brendand	yeah, my beagleboard just has a DVI-D connector	10:24
ruudt	But I'm still learning about everything here. My next hurdle; which development environemnt to use. But despite the advices I have not yet found one	10:24
ogra_	didnt you say you wanted to do web development ?	10:25
ruudt	ogra_: nope, but I do need to access the internet	10:26
ogra_	ah, i thought you wanted to serve images through the net	10:26
ruudt	Yes, but that is not web development? To me that is anything that runs from a server and is accessed by clients	10:27
ruudt	I already did the web development part; I have a server ready that will supply all data my application will need	10:28
ruudt	Did that while waiting for the BB to ship	10:29
ruudt	Hmm, the minimal install that I got running doesn't even have man...	10:32
infinity	apt-get install man-db manpages	10:33
ogra_	and watch your system get slow on upgrades :P	10:33
infinity	And manpages-dev, if you're doing C programming.	10:33
ruudt	well, at least I can read up on the things that ARE installed.	10:34
infinity	http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ also works, if you prefer not to grind dpkg runs to a halt with man-db triggers. :P	10:35
ogra_	++	10:36
infinity	(But I'm with you, all my machines have man-db installed... Not being able to use man confuses me)	10:37
ruudt	well, I'll just continue installing man-db and then figuring out what to develop the programs with. Just wish it where more clear what to use...	10:41
S0NiC	re	10:58
brendand	i guess it's well known that suspending a pandaboard doesn't really compute?	11:08
desrt	hi all	12:23
desrt	it's early in the morning and i haven't had my coffee yet, so please excuse what may be a very stupid question	12:23
desrt	the kernel package that comes on the i.mx53 install image is called linux-linaro-lt-mx5	12:24
desrt	but that package doesn't appear to be in the archive	12:24
desrt	it's not like i strictly need a kernel since boot is handled slightly specially here anyway, but i'd like to have some modules (installed properly) at least	12:25
ogra_	it is in universe	12:30
desrt	see? no coffee.	12:30
desrt	ogra_: thanks :)	12:30
ogra_	yw :)	12:30
* desrt blames debootstrap for that		12:31
ogra_	it is one of the "community supported" images	12:32
ogra_	like the ac100 one	12:32
desrt	seems to be working quite nicely, fwiw	12:32
desrt	the userspace on the image leaves me a bit confused though	12:32
ogra_	well, the installation is quite slow	12:32
desrt	it appears to have an installer that installs to itself, or something	12:32
desrt	and then leaves the system in a somewhat broken state after	12:32
ogra_	that would be a bug	12:33
desrt	ogra_: it's the microsd that's slow. i just plugged in an intel sata drive and it's about 5-10x faster now	12:33
ogra_	it is a preinstalled image, on first boot it expands the rootfs partition to the full size of the SD	12:33
desrt	ah	12:33
ogra_	then it reboots into oem-config to set up user, hostname, kbd etc etcd	12:33
desrt	ya. i did all that and now i boot to an empty desktop	12:34
ogra_	(which on the desktop images requires X, so make sure to have a monitor attached)	12:34
desrt	in any case, it's all a bit much	12:34
* desrt just wants something he can ssh to		12:34
ogra_	did it properly finish actually ?	12:34
desrt	i read about this bug with the window disappearing...	12:34
desrt	to be honest, i don't know if it did or not	12:34
ogra_	you should get an aptd/dpkg UI that shows you the removal of all unneeded packages	12:35
desrt	i was careful not to select autologin	12:35
desrt	well, i'm just debootstrapping onto this sata drive now	12:35
ogra_	if you didnt have that (and if ubiquity is still installed) you know that oem-config failed	12:35
ogra_	use ubuntu-core ;)	12:35
desrt	i couldn't find an imx image for ubuntu core/server	12:36
ogra_	tar xvfz is faster than debootstrap ;)	12:36
desrt	seemed to only have omap	12:36
desrt	ohhh	12:36
desrt	for that	12:36
ogra_	there are no board specific ubuntu-core images	12:36
desrt	meh. already done :)	12:36
ogra_	its all userspace	12:36
ogra_	completely unconfigured	12:36
ogra_	(but largely the same you get from debootstrap)	12:36
desrt	any board-specific userspace config i should know about before i try to boot back into this thing?	12:37
ogra_	no idea, ask janimo, he owns the mx5 images	12:38
desrt	janimo: sup? :)	12:38
ogra_	i dont actually know what bootloader config is usually done there	12:38
desrt	the image seems to have a fat partition on it with the kernel, initramfs and some sort of boot description file	12:39
desrt	(text)	12:39
desrt	looks pretty straight-forward	12:39
desrt	probably it needs the microsd to load the kernel image at least, then i can use the sata as the rootfs	12:40
ogra_	likely a u-boot script file, thats not text	12:40
ogra_	(boot.scr)	12:40
ogra_	it has a header	12:40
* desrt takes a peek		12:40
ogra_	you shoudl eb able to get away with a vfat for booting	12:40
* desrt notes that the SD card is hilariously slow		12:40
ogra_	and then switch to rootfs on sata by root=UUID=.... on cmdline	12:41
desrt	so there is a boot.scr here	12:41
desrt	but boot.txt is the one i was looking at earlier	12:42
ogra_	right, that should have a 64byte hearder	12:42
ogra_	and is generated using mkimage	12:42
ogra_	likely from boot.txt	12:42
desrt	it appears to be plain text...	12:42
ogra_	.scr ?	12:42
desrt	.txt	12:42
ogra_	yeah	12:42
desrt	oh. i see what you're saying	12:42
ogra_	thats the input file	12:42
desrt	.txt gets compiled into .scr	12:42
ogra_	right	12:42
ogra_	mkimage adds a header	12:43
desrt	and somehow the .scr is 'blessed'?	12:43
ogra_	yep	12:43
ogra_	u-boot looks for it on boot	12:43
desrt	cool	12:43
desrt	lemme guess -- this 4MB /dev/mmcblk0p1 partition is uboot	12:43
ogra_	not sure, thats where janimo comes into play	12:43
ogra_	i dont have such a board and never had one in my hands	12:44
desrt	it's gotta be -- the kernel doesn't seem to fancy mounting it	12:44
ogra_	so i dont know exactly how it boots	12:44
desrt	i think you've helped me put together a pretty clear image for myself	12:44
ogra_	yeah, we tag the boot partitions with a label that udev ignores	12:44
ogra_	so you dont have it mounted on your desktop install ;)	12:44
desrt	it has dos partition type 0xfa ("Non-FS Data")	12:45
ogra_	(the kernel should see it in dmesg though, it should just nott be automounted)	12:45
desrt	0xda, rather	12:45
ogra_	ah, yeah, that coudl eb raw u-boot	12:45
ogra_	*be	12:45
* desrt wonders why this uboot wasn't given ext4 support		12:47
ogra_	ask upstream :)	12:47
desrt	oh. srsly?	12:47
ogra_	it has ext2	12:47
desrt	that's a pretty good reason, then :)	12:47
ogra_	ext4 would rock though, you wouldnt need a separate boot partition	12:48
janimo	desrt, the mx53 ubuntu image is very slow indeed. No idea why yet, something to fix for 12.04	12:48
ogra_	but i think it bloats the codee to much or something	12:48
janimo	desrt, the linaro image for same board was much snappier iirc	12:48
janimo	and not only because if does not do an install	12:48
ogra_	lies !	12:48
ogra_	:P	12:48
desrt	janimo: it seems to be mostly the IO that is slow -- and only to the SD card	12:49
janimo	we use the same kernel as linaro so I am puzzled why this happens, but all of us who tested mx53 late in the oneiric cycle	12:49
janimo	saw it was very slow	12:49
janimo	ogra_, shouldn't an ext2 driver see an ext4 partition especially in read only mode as uboot is?	12:50
janimo	just ignoring the extra features	12:50
ogra_	no, i think you need ext3 support to see ext4	12:50
janimo	ok	12:51
ogra_	not sure though	12:51
janimo	maybe it is only vice versa then	12:51
ogra_	you can definitely see ext3 from an ext2 driver	12:54
ogra_	there the only difference should be the journal	12:54
ogra_	ndec, so you are sure about the model ? (you didnt say anything in the mail)	12:55
ndec	ogra_: sorry. i forgot that ... do you have a serial number or any other number on the board?	12:56
ndec	to be honest i haven't even seen such a board myself ;-)	12:56
ogra_	on the board or on the shell ?	12:56
ndec	whatever...	12:56
ndec	anything...	12:56
ogra_	there is a barcode glued underneath the sd slot	12:56
ogra_	T0000001266	12:57
ogra_	seems to be the serial # ... its on the box too	12:57
* desrt discovers flash-kernel.conf		12:58
ogra_	ndec, then i also have TEVM4460G-22-20-01	12:58
ndec	sounds a useful discovery...	12:58
ogra_	not really	12:58
ndec	ogra_: that one looks useful!	12:58
ogra_	once we switch to flash-kernel-ng there wont be a config file anymore	12:58
ndec	my first comment was for desrt ;-)	12:58
ogra_	yeah	12:58
ndec	argh...	12:59
ogra_	argh ? because of new flash-kernel ?	12:59
desrt	the failure situation for that file missing is a bit sad	12:59
ogra_	flash-kernel is all in all a bit sad :P	12:59
ndec	yes, because we are doing tricky things with flash-kernel.conf ;-)	12:59
ogra_	it makes you cry like onions if you look to long at the code	13:00
ogra_	in fact i would recommend rubbing onions in your eyes instead of looking at the code :) ... if you have the choice	13:00
ogra_	hurts less	13:00
ogra_	:)	13:00
desrt	looking at the code led me to discover UBOOT_PART	13:01
desrt	since it does something like this:	13:01
ogra_	yeah, thats an ugly wart	13:01
desrt	mount ${UBOOT_PART} ${tmpfile}	13:01
desrt	and doesn't consider that ${UBOOT_PART} may be unset :p	13:01
ogra_	the new flash-kernel has a proper DB wiht an entry per board arch	13:01
desrt	neat	13:01
ogra_	that will be way cleaner	13:01
ogra_	still hackish but lots better	13:01
ndec	ogra_: i am amazed, but we do have an internal DB where I could find your reference that you gave me ... TEVM4460G-22-20-01 -> OMAP ES1.1 GP, 1.5GHz, PWR ES2.0, AUD ES1.1	13:02
ogra_	ndec, to be honest the device doesnt look much different from the one i already have ...	13:02
ogra_	chrome metal frame etc	13:02
ogra_	NIC built in the wrong way round again :) (which i only discovered after i had the cable attached indeed)	13:03
ogra_	etc etc	13:03
desrt	gonna try a reboot now	13:03
ogra_	good luck :)	13:03
desrt	WIN	13:05
desrt	works on first try	13:05
desrt	failed to set root password or add self to sudoers file	13:05
* desrt hands head in shame		13:06
lilstevie	ogra_: haha I had a look at flash kernel, proceeded to rip my eyes out, then think about doing my own platform specific hack till flash-kernel-ng	13:06
desrt	janimo: know offhand what serial parameters you configured uboot for?	13:07
S0NiCaw	re	13:30
ogra_	ndec, see pm :)	14:04
ogra_	An-iSociaL, if you need help with ac100 md5sum mangling, i'm around now	14:05
S0NiCaw	hmm can anybody help me with my ubuntu-arm and crosscompiling? ;)	14:09
ogra_	better try #linaro	14:09
S0NiCaw	ok thx	14:09
brendand	do all armv7l platforms follow the same layout for /proc/cpuinfo?	14:20
ogra_	the kernel does	14:21
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ppisati	GrueMaster: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-2.6.35-903-omap4_2.6.35-903.27~mlockfix_armel.deb	14:23
ppisati	GrueMaster: this should fix the	14:23
ppisati	GrueMaster: "Make sure the stack guard page does not split the stack on mlock ... FAIL"	14:23
ppisati	GrueMaster: you saw in test-kernel.py	14:24
ppisati	GrueMaster: can you verify it?	14:24
ppisati	GrueMaster: and while here	14:56
ppisati	GrueMaster: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/85419190/test-kernel-security.log	14:56
ppisati	GrueMaster: on one line it says: "PR_SET_SECCOMP works ... FAIL" but below that	14:56
ppisati	GrueMaster: "CONFIG_SECCOMP enabled ... (skipped: not available on ARM) ok"	14:57
An-iSociaL	afternoon all	15:59
An-iSociaL	ogra_, if you mean the tarball installer, thanks but i figured it out	16:00
ogra_	well, you hacked it to be broken afterwards i guess	16:00
ogra_	:)	16:00
An-iSociaL	hm?	16:01
ogra_	the proper way is to roll a cpio.gz archive with a file carrying the tarball md5 of your modified tarball	16:01
ogra_	and then cat'ing that to the end of the initrd	16:01
An-iSociaL	ahhh	16:01
ogra_	if you hack the script you might get unexpected results	16:01
ogra_	and unlike GrueMaster claims we dont do "werid things" with the md5 at build time :)	16:02
An-iSociaL	i actually performed the role of the installer script myself, did the formatting, extracting, getting uuid, purging intaller	16:02
ogra_	we just put the file in place before rolling the initrd	16:02
An-iSociaL	and the fstab	16:03
ogra_	well, that will miss a bunch of configuration	16:03
ogra_	unless you also made oem-config work	16:03
ogra_	(which does the actual configuration in a proper way)	16:03
An-iSociaL	im pretty sure i did, oem-config did run after touching it	16:03
ogra_	ah, cool	16:03
ogra_	then you shoudl be fine	16:03
ogra_	the code we use to add the md5 is in the livecd-rootfs source btw	16:04
ogra_	for future reference	16:04
An-iSociaL	will have to go back to the installer if i intend to distribute	16:04
An-iSociaL	nice	16:04
An-iSociaL	noted it	16:07
lilstevie	heh	16:23
lilstevie	the way I do it is with the omap image	16:23
An-iSociaL	sup lilstevie	16:24
lilstevie	not much just working on my app	16:24
An-iSociaL	oh cool. whatcha building?	16:24
lilstevie	an app for the tf101 ubuntu/android system	16:25
lilstevie	android app for managing it	16:25
An-iSociaL	nice	16:25
An-iSociaL	im just watchin tv trying to get in the mood to do something	16:26
hallyn	If I just want to run an arm precise image in qemu-arm to verify a bugfix, what's the quickest way to create an image? Do I download one of the preinstalled images from cdimages.u.c? Is there a disk image i can wget?	16:33
An-iSociaL	uhm	16:35
An-iSociaL	the only image i currently know of is for the ac100	16:35
An-iSociaL	likely wouldnt do what you want	16:35
An-iSociaL	fastest way otherwise would be debootstrap	16:36
hallyn	and then d/l a kernel from somewhere?	16:37
ogra_	hallyn, use ubuntu-core and look in the linaro docs about vexpress with qemu	16:38
ogra_	or just use an arm chroot, if you dont need a full VM	16:39
hallyn	ok, thx. (i don't think a chroot'll work as it's ecryptfs-related, but will try)	16:40
ogra_	ah, yeah	16:41
ogra_	wiki.ubuntu.com/Core	16:41
An-iSociaL	could be difficult working with lower level stuff like filesystems in a chroot	16:41
ogra_	note that there isnt a user/pw or any configuration	16:41
ogra_	you will need to do that yourself	16:41
An-iSociaL	qq ogra_, what cross compiler do you use?	16:42
hallyn	ok, thanks guys	16:42
ogra_	An-iSociaL, i compile native	16:42
An-iSociaL	ahh	16:42
An-iSociaL	obviously that would be better but how much better?	16:43
ogra_	depends what you compile really :)	16:43
An-iSociaL	specifically for kernel builds	16:43
ogra_	i usually build packages ... for that native is always better	16:44
ogra_	though there are already a bunch you can actually cross build nowadays	16:44
ogra_	for kernel test builds i would actually recommend cross	16:44
ogra_	and use the gcc-cross in the archive	16:44
An-iSociaL	aha	16:45
An-iSociaL	sweet	16:45
An-iSociaL	i think using the android cross compiler's been jacking my stuff up	16:45
An-iSociaL	kernel modules for sure	16:46
An-iSociaL	makes me wonder if its jacked up kernel modules wth has it done to the kernel itself	16:46
ogra_	there should be a package gcc-armel-cross or some such	16:47
ogra_	(ask hrw, he maintains it, i can never remember the actual name)	16:48
An-iSociaL	i saw it when i was extracting	16:48
hrw	gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi	16:51
ogra_	bah, not even remotely a -cross in the name :P	16:53
An-iSociaL	hehe	16:53
An-iSociaL	cool cool thanks	16:55
An-iSociaL	grabbin it now	16:55
An-iSociaL	perhaps this will solve a couple little bugs	16:55
An-iSociaL	getting closer to being in the mood to do something... yay...	16:56
S0NiCaw	cu	17:00
MrCurious	anyone have any experience getting python 2.7 to compile on a arm platform? (gumstix)	18:33
RoAkSoAx	hey guys	21:35
RoAkSoAx	any reason why unity run very slow on a pandaboard	21:35
RoAkSoAx	might it be because im not using a swap?	21:35
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