| czajkowski | aloha | 06:43 |
|---|---|---|
| jono | hey czajkowski | 07:09 |
| bkerensa | Good Evening | 07:14 |
| * nigelb hugs jussi | 07:39 | |
| nigelb | jussi: Have fun with the baby stuff :) | 07:39 |
| bkerensa | jussi: Yeah were going to miss you much :D | 07:39 |
| alourie | good morning | 07:56 |
| * alourie feels depressed and demotivated | 07:57 | |
| jussi | alourie: whats up? | 07:58 |
| alourie | jussi: ah, one part of my life is not working out as I want it to | 07:59 |
| alourie | it kills all the motivation to engage in stuff | 08:00 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:03 |
| alourie | hi dholbach | 08:04 |
| dholbach | hi alourie | 08:04 |
| * alourie wants to be an oligarch but one who's not hunted by own country's government | 08:14 | |
| jono | morning folks | 08:16 |
| jono | I am going to head to bed | 08:16 |
| jono | have a wonderful day :-) | 08:16 |
| doctormon | alourie: hello | 08:42 |
| alourie | doctormon: hi | 09:16 |
| doctormon | alourie: Do you feel unmotivated? | 09:17 |
| alourie | doctormon: yes | 09:17 |
| alourie | that's the result of the depression :-) | 09:17 |
| doctormon | alourie: What do you want to do? | 09:17 |
| alourie | doctormon: well, everything? | 09:17 |
| doctormon | alourie: First rule of depression and procrastination - never beat yourself up for not achieving the impossible. | 09:18 |
| doctormon | If your goals are impossible, then it's better to understand and find new goals, maybe smaller parts or letting go things that aren't so important. | 09:19 |
| jussi | doctormon: hi! | 09:19 |
| dholbach | or break up your big goals into small actually achievable steps | 09:19 |
| czajkowski | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mozilla_aims_to_iconize_skills_with_standardized_m.php | 09:19 |
| doctormon | dholbach: Do you know the second rule involving small steps? | 09:20 |
| bkerensa | wow.... I think this new mouse I got is like the Ferrari of such devices.... It has 6 buttons and idk wow | 09:20 |
| dholbach | doctormon, no, what's the second rule? | 09:20 |
| dholbach | hey bkerensa | 09:21 |
| dholbach | bkerensa, thanks for volunteering | 09:21 |
| bkerensa | hi dholbach! | 09:21 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: Yeah not sure if I'm the right fit but I'm willing to help where and when I can | 09:21 |
| doctormon | dholbach: Celebrate every step as an achievement worthy of a dance. Physical activity also helps. Each step isn't small, it isn't insignificant, it's magnificent and worthy of feeling good about achieving. | 09:22 |
| dholbach | bkerensa, sure... if you find out you don't like it, that's totally fine :) | 09:22 |
| dholbach | that sounds like a good rule to me | 09:22 |
| bkerensa | :D | 09:22 |
| * dholbach will do some dancing today | 09:22 | |
| dholbach | ... and take out the dog for a walk in a bit | 09:22 |
| alourie | dholbach, doctormon: you both are absolutely right, but it's still hard | 09:22 |
| * doctormon does a little dance | 09:23 | |
| alourie | especially in light of the things I want but that slip through my fingers | 09:23 |
| alourie | that's what depressing | 09:23 |
| bkerensa | TIL: They make mouses that have "Speed Toggles" and "Forward Back buttons" | 09:23 |
| bkerensa | :P | 09:23 |
| doctormon | alourie: Ah, accepting our own capabilities is important. | 09:23 |
| doctormon | alourie: It shouldn't depress you that you are moral and finite. | 09:24 |
| doctormon | mortal* | 09:24 |
| alourie | oh, I am capable for lots of things :-) | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: hey there | 09:29 |
| dholbach | hiya highvoltage | 09:29 |
| dholbach | how are you doing? | 09:29 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, and thanks for the flowers | 09:29 |
| doctormon | alourie: But not at the same time ;-) | 09:32 |
| alourie | doctormon: of course, that would be impossible | 09:33 |
| doctormon | alourie: So file that under rule one. | 09:33 |
| alourie | hm | 09:33 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: good thanks (and pleasure!) | 09:34 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: we need to schedule Edubuntu Council re-elections, and somehow I've forgotten how that works | 09:34 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: does the CC handle the nominations, or should the current EC initiate that? | 09:34 |
| doctormon | I think I might want to do a time management class for the community, Hillary Rettig does them at MIT and they are awesome. | 09:35 |
| bkerensa | doctormon: +1 I would be interested in attending that (schedule permitting) | 09:36 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, if you could handle the nominations process, that'd be great | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | dholbach: ok, will do | 09:36 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing should have a lot of info that might be helpful | 09:36 |
| dholbach | highvoltage, if there's anything missing, let me know :) | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | doctormon: wow, I was just stressing about all the stuff I need to do for the last hour or so and wondering whether I should sign up for time management classes somewhere :) | 09:37 |
| nigelb | Hey highvoltage! | 09:37 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: Your going to ping all the volunteers what time and channel we will meet for the talks on thursday right? Just wanna add it to my calendar | 09:37 |
| nigelb | s/your/you're | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | doctormon: I think if I could just learn to relax and do one thing at a time, then I'd actually have enough time for everything, but I end up spreading myself too thin, try to do everything, and then get almost nothing done :( | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | hey nigelb | 09:37 |
| dholbach | bkerensa, for now I was just thinking we add stuff to the google doc (shared it with you all) and we do stuff by mail - but we can also chat (on #ubuntu-news maybe?) | 09:38 |
| dholbach | bkerensa, I'll reply to the mail I just sent to the 3 of you | 09:38 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: ^ sounds good.... I like open collaboration via gdocs on stuff :) it makes it easy to get stuff done and have lots of people working on something | 09:39 |
| dholbach | bkerensa, I just hope that copy/paste into wordpress will work (with all the links and stuff) | 09:39 |
| bkerensa | dholbach: Yeah it should work just fine the only problems I have ran into is copy/pasting from LibreOffice to WP (LibreOffice passes some weird markup) | 09:39 |
| dholbach | ahh ok | 09:40 |
| dholbach | that's great then :) | 09:40 |
| doctormon | highvoltage: Sounds like rule three and four problems. But you understand them. | 09:40 |
| highvoltage | doctormon: where do I see those rules? | 09:43 |
| doctormon | highvoltage: They're in my head, but Hillary Rettig has some books where she goes into a lot of detail. | 09:44 |
| doctormon | highvoltage: http://hillaryrettig.com/ | 09:45 |
| doctormon | Rule three: Your state of being is highly dependent on your context, thus your environment for working must be just for working and comfortable for you to work. | 09:46 |
| doctormon | Rule four: Everyone must learn to say no, it's hard and we feel bad for letting people down, but it must be done. | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | yeah, 3 is a very big problem for me, number 4 isn't at all | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | but I'll read that blog and stop spamming the channel about my problems :) | 09:48 |
| doctormon | highvoltage: It's interesting how many people do suffer from these demons. | 09:49 |
| bkerensa | Goodnight Folks! | 09:50 |
| doctormon | I've got a second laptop now (10.10, older Acer) and I'musing that for facebook, miro and games. It's in the living room. | 09:50 |
| alourie | good night bkerensa | 09:54 |
| daker | jcastro, yo | 10:13 |
| dholbach | daker, I think where jcastro lives it's currently 05:24 :) | 10:24 |
| daker | dholbach, ah ok thanks | 10:25 |
| czajkowski | daker: if you leave a message he's really good at getting back to people or drop him an email | 10:36 |
| daker | czajkowski, ok | 10:37 |
| czajkowski | daker: unless anyone in here can help you? | 10:41 |
| daker | czajkowski, no jcastro poked me first | 10:43 |
| jussi | czajkowski: daker o/ | 10:45 |
| czajkowski | daker: ahh gotcha | 10:45 |
| czajkowski | jussi: aloha | 10:45 |
| jussi | coffee is a good thing :) | 10:46 |
| jussi | czajkowski: hows things? enjoying the new job? | 10:46 |
| czajkowski | ah so so | 10:49 |
| czajkowski | 3 articles about ubuntu in m y feed and not allowed to write about one of them | 10:49 |
| czajkowski | which kinda sucks | 10:49 |
| czajkowski | instead I'm writing about http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12644 | 10:50 |
| jussi | czajkowski: interesting thing all the same | 11:03 |
| czajkowski | yes it is, but I've an hr to research and article and write it | 11:03 |
| czajkowski | where as ask me to write on the rhythmbox article and I can do that easier | 11:03 |
| duanedesign | morning all | 12:04 |
| mainerror | Hey there. | 12:45 |
| mainerror | Got a question for you guys. | 12:45 |
| mainerror | http://askubuntu.com/questions/80772/whats-the-deal-with-all-these-chuck-montages | 12:46 |
| cprofitt | mainerror: posted an answer (though humorous) | 12:51 |
| mainerror | lol | 12:51 |
| mainerror | I'd really love to know how or why he became a meme though. :P | 12:52 |
| cprofitt | not sure myself... I believe it started at UDS though | 12:52 |
| popey | ☺ | 13:09 |
| mainerror | I guess popey knows but doesn't tell. :D | 13:11 |
| pabs3 | what time is the meeting? Jono's blog post didn't list UTC so its hard to tell | 13:13 |
| mainerror | 4 P.M. UK Time which is GMT. | 13:18 |
| czajkowski | 4pm UTC | 13:24 |
| highvoltage | pabs3: how is it hard? he listed it in multiple timezones :) | 13:33 |
| pabs3 | I dunno about you but I wasn't able to map what he listed to official timezone names. for example, pacific/eastern are the same thing to me (UTC+10) | 13:36 |
| czajkowski | pabs3: or using http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ | 13:43 |
| === scott-work is now known as scott-sick-at-wo | ||
| === scott-sick-at-wo is now known as scott-sick-work | ||
| cjohnston | http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/ubuntu-my-first-code-contribution/ | 15:52 |
| cjohnston | congrats cprofitt | 15:52 |
| popey | nice one | 15:53 |
| dholbach | jcastro, dpm: our team meeting is in 2m? | 15:58 |
| dholbach | if so, it'll clash with the SRU team meeting and server team meeting | 15:58 |
| dpm | oh, bummer | 15:58 |
| dholbach | and in 32m there'll be a desktop team meeting as well | 15:58 |
| dholbach | nice | 15:58 |
| dholbach | 4 meetings at the same time is not bad :) | 15:59 |
| dholbach | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ | 15:59 |
| jcastro | why do we have meetings there anyway? | 15:59 |
| jcastro | team channel baby! | 15:59 |
| jcastro | it's where the people who would care most about what we are working on hang out? | 15:59 |
| jcastro | cprofitt: nice work dude! | 15:59 |
| * dholbach summons Mr Bacon | 16:01 | |
| dholbach | jono, hey - ubuntu-meeting is taken | 16:02 |
| dholbach | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ | 16:02 |
| jono | dholbach, what is there? | 16:02 |
| jono | hmmm | 16:02 |
| dholbach | SRU team meeting and server team meeting | 16:02 |
| dholbach | and in 30m desktop team | 16:02 |
| dholbach | jcastro recommended to do it here, which might be the easiest | 16:03 |
| jono | I think it makes sense | 16:03 |
| jono | it's a shame it won't be logged | 16:03 |
| jono | well, I mean that we have a meeting bot | 16:04 |
| jono | let's just do it here | 16:04 |
| dholbach | jcastro, is a bot | 16:04 |
| dholbach | we just need to repurpose him from askubuntu to meetings ;-) | 16:04 |
| jono | haha | 16:04 |
| mainerror | Maybe a stupid question but why don't you guys just setup a meeting bot for this channel? | 16:04 |
| snap-l | That would explain why jcastro is a machine. ;) | 16:04 |
| jono | mainerror, I think we should do that | 16:04 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:04 |
| jcastro | having it here makes sense | 16:04 |
| cjohnston | should be able to get AlanBell 's help to get a bot in here | 16:05 |
| jcastro | it's where everyone who would care about the meeting hangs out | 16:05 |
| * mainerror nods | 16:05 | |
| jono | dpm, you here too? | 16:05 |
| dpm | jono, yep! | 16:06 |
| jono | ok let's do it here from now on | 16:06 |
| jono | so let's kick off with some roundtables | 16:06 |
| jono | dholbach, want to get us started | 16:06 |
| dholbach | sure | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • Pre-UDS: published accomplishment trophy ideas, interviewed people for Harvest ideas. | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • helped with the creation of Ubuntu IRC Community survey | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • set up ubuntudev google+ page | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • did job interview with mhall :) | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • CC: set up 'team catch-up' schedule for meetings, participated in CC meeting, LoCo Council election, bits and pieces here and there. | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • Dev Advisory Board: drafted reachout mails, started work on team organisation, had a quick call with Christophe about it. | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • Recognising Dev contributions: improved docs WRT thanking/recommending your peers, blogged about and on UCADay | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • Patch Pilot: piloted myself, created patch pilot schedule for Nov/Dec. | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • admin: filed expenses, booked Budapest flights, UDS Survey | 16:06 |
| dholbach | • blueprints: milestoned work items for precise, mailed work item assignees, dealt with a couple low-hanging fruit work-items | 16:07 |
| dholbach | • Asked for ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c to be merged into ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c | 16:07 |
| dholbach | • Weekly dev updates: conversations with News team, figure out submission process, got 2 dev updates out the door, set up initial team and organisation. | 16:07 |
| dholbach | • Catch-up Call. | 16:07 |
| dholbach | --- | 16:07 |
| dholbach | and I have one agenda item | 16:07 |
| AlanBell | meetingology: hello | 16:08 |
| meetingology | AlanBell: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. | 16:08 |
| jono | cool, thanks, Daniel | 16:08 |
| jono | any questions for dholbach? | 16:09 |
| * dholbach curtseys | 16:09 | |
| jono | cool, no questions | 16:10 |
| jono | jcastro, shoot | 16:10 |
| AlanBell | want to start the bot? | 16:10 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:11 |
| jono | sure | 16:11 |
| jcastro | start the bot | 16:11 |
| jono | thanks AlanBell | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Team | 16:11 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Nov 22 16:11:21 2011 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 16:11 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 16:11 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: | ||
| AlanBell | #chair jcastro jono | 16:11 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: AlanBell jcastro jono | 16:11 |
| jcastro | ok do I need to do anything? | 16:11 |
| dpm | shall we let dholbach tell about his actions again, for the benefit of the logs? | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | #topic dholbach update | 16:11 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: dholbach update | ||
| jono | sure | 16:11 |
| dholbach | • Pre-UDS: published accomplishment trophy ideas, interviewed people for Harvest ideas. | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • helped with the creation of Ubuntu IRC Community survey | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • set up ubuntudev google+ page | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • did job interview with mhall :) | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • CC: set up 'team catch-up' schedule for meetings, participated in CC meeting, LoCo Council election, bits and pieces here and there. | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • Dev Advisory Board: drafted reachout mails, started work on team organisation, had a quick call with Christophe about it. | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • Recognising Dev contributions: improved docs WRT thanking/recommending your peers, blogged about and on UCADay | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • Patch Pilot: piloted myself, created patch pilot schedule for Nov/Dec. | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • admin: filed expenses, booked Budapest flights, UDS Survey | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • blueprints: milestoned work items for precise, mailed work item assignees, dealt with a couple low-hanging fruit work-items | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • Asked for ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c to be merged into ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • Weekly dev updates: conversations with News team, figure out submission process, got 2 dev updates out the door, set up initial team and organisation. | 16:12 |
| dholbach | • Catch-up Call. | 16:12 |
| dholbach | --- | 16:12 |
| dholbach | and I have one agenda item | 16:12 |
| jcastro | are you posting your agenda item? | 16:13 |
| jcastro | or is it my turn? | 16:13 |
| jono | jcastro, shoot | 16:14 |
| jcastro | ok | 16:14 |
| jcastro | - Clean up blueprints, all done. Work can begin on WI syncage, that to be done this week. | 16:14 |
| AlanBell | #topic jcastro update | 16:14 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: jcastro update | ||
| jcastro | the line adjusts on Friday btw. | 16:14 |
| jcastro | so get your mountain in order | 16:14 |
| jcastro | - Gave Nick access to cloud.ubuntu.com so we can start doc clean up | 16:14 |
| dholbach | ah, nice | 16:14 |
| jcastro | - Membership recommendation for Andrea | 16:14 |
| jcastro | - Attended Cloud Camp Silicon Valley | 16:14 |
| jcastro | cloud camp was fun | 16:14 |
| jcastro | but I am not sure how valuable they are | 16:14 |
| jcastro | in the future we'll probably concentrate more on charm schools at larger events | 16:15 |
| jcastro | yes, it's called charm school | 16:15 |
| jcastro | - Charm growth has started, working on 5 incoming people | 16:15 |
| jcastro | thinkupapp charm is nearly done | 16:15 |
| jcastro | this will be nice | 16:15 |
| jcastro | so everyone will be able to just snag their social data and have a copy on their own servers | 16:15 |
| jcastro | I suspect that might be popular. :) | 16:15 |
| jcastro | - james_w found a problem with my workflow today, his work was being ignored, fixing this today with a vengeance. | 16:15 |
| jcastro | basically we were ignoring the new-charm tag and only paying attention to the entire pile | 16:16 |
| jcastro | which in hindsight is stupid | 16:16 |
| jono | haha | 16:16 |
| jcastro | - Setting up a Charm School at SCaLE with Ilan and Clint. We've submitted a talk, want to do a lightning talk on devops day, and the charm school makes for a busy weekend. | 16:16 |
| jcastro | - Working on the creative brief for the design web team for cloud.ubuntu.com. (Kill me) | 16:16 |
| jcastro | - More details in my Trello boards for each area: (this is synced with my work items): http://goo.gl/n4or5 http://goo.gl/WXsY7 http://goo.gl/2y1IQ if you care about that. | 16:16 |
| jcastro | I have no agenda items | 16:16 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 16:16 |
| dholbach | automatically synced? | 16:16 |
| dholbach | which Nick? :) | 16:17 |
| jcastro | no | 16:17 |
| jcastro | I sync manually with Nick | 16:17 |
| jcastro | nick is unscriptable, he has no API | 16:17 |
| dholbach | I'm not quite sure I understand | 16:17 |
| dholbach | you said "Gave Nick access to cloud.ubuntu.com so we can start doc clean up" | 16:18 |
| jcastro | oh right | 16:18 |
| jcastro | so at the sessions | 16:18 |
| dholbach | I was assuming that Nick was a person :) | 16:18 |
| jcastro | we sliced up chunks of the docs on cloud.ubuntu.com | 16:18 |
| jcastro | and each person is responsible for one section | 16:18 |
| jcastro | and it hasn't been touched in a while so he was keen to go in there and fix a bunch of stuff | 16:18 |
| dholbach | ah cool | 16:18 |
| dholbach | so that's Nick Barcet? | 16:18 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:18 |
| dholbach | ok, got it | 16:19 |
| dpm | I do have a "name" question too | 16:19 |
| dpm | which Andrea on Membership recommendation for Andrea? | 16:19 |
| jcastro | Grandi | 16:19 |
| dpm | ok | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaGrandi | 16:19 |
| jcastro | unity 2d, Qt, various things | 16:19 |
| jono | :-) | 16:19 |
| jcastro | you know, the italian DX team | 16:20 |
| dpm | :) | 16:20 |
| dholbach | the DX branch of the mafia | 16:20 |
| jono | ok cool | 16:20 |
| jono | any questions for jcastro? | 16:20 |
| jono | the man, with the plan...dpm! | 16:20 |
| jono | <cheers> | 16:20 |
| * AlanBell reminds jono that he can do #topic dpm update | 16:21 | |
| dpm | ok, here I go | 16:21 |
| jono | #topic dpm notes | 16:21 |
| dpm | #topic dpm update | 16:21 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: dpm notes | ||
| dpm | • Took 2 days off last week | 16:21 |
| jono | AlanBell, :-) | 16:21 |
| dpm | • Chat with dholbach on how to better mesage /the _app_ developer and _platform_ developer communities, and how to better explain platform development on d.u.c | 16:21 |
| * dholbach hugs dpm | 16:21 | |
| dpm | ;-) | 16:21 |
| jono | get a room | 16:22 |
| jono | lol | 16:22 |
| jono | :-) | 16:22 |
| dpm | • Created the G+ and Facebook Ubuntu App Developer pages (subscribe/like them! :) | 16:22 |
| dpm | * http://goo.gl/STx1G | 16:22 |
| dpm | * http://www.facebook.com/ubuntuappdev | 16:23 |
| dpm | • Worked on a list of app developer events to have Ubuntu presence on with jpugh | 16:23 |
| dpm | (not public atm, as it contains sponsorship info -ie Canonical sponsoring events-) | 16:24 |
| dpm | • Conversations with Simplified Chinese translators to clarify how uploads are done for the Complete Simplified Chinese Desktop goal | 16:24 |
| dpm | • Scheduled regular translation calls with translations leaders | 16:24 |
| dpm | • Finished off blueprint setup | 16:25 |
| dpm | And I think that was me for this week's relevant stuff | 16:25 |
| jono | thanks, dpm | 16:26 |
| jono | any questions for dpm? | 16:26 |
| dholbach | dpm, we should have a chat again about app vs. platform developer communities | 16:26 |
| dholbach | but no, no questions :) | 16:26 |
| jcastro | none here | 16:27 |
| jcastro | next victim! | 16:27 |
| cprofitt | may I ask? | 16:27 |
| jono | of course! | 16:27 |
| jono | this is a community meeting too :-) | 16:27 |
| cprofitt | when you say event sponsoring -- do you mean like UDS or do you mean other technical events? | 16:27 |
| dpm | dholbach, yeah, we still have to see what message we put exactly on d.u.c | 16:27 |
| dpm | cprofitt, good question | 16:27 |
| dpm | I mean Canonical being a gold/platinun/blahblah sponsor for a particular conference | 16:28 |
| * cprofitt nods | 16:28 | |
| dpm | which generally means contributing with some money to a conference | 16:28 |
| cprofitt | good to hear I have been looking for that for a long time. I will keep my eyes open for when the information becomes public | 16:28 |
| dpm | we don't want this info to be public while we're still considering which events to sponsor | 16:29 |
| jono | ok | 16:29 |
| cprofitt | is there a process to solicit community input on events? or what type of events? | 16:29 |
| jono | any more questions for dpm? | 16:29 |
| jono | there is one :-) | 16:29 |
| dpm | :) | 16:29 |
| dpm | cprofitt, the list we've been working on is specific to app-developer-related conferences | 16:30 |
| * cprofitt nods | 16:30 | |
| dpm | cprofitt, there is no formal process to solicit community input, but if you know of any conference on that topic, feel free to tell me :) | 16:30 |
| dpm | and I'll add it to the list | 16:31 |
| cprofitt | dpm - after the meeting lets talk about the app-developer stuff... I have an idea that may be of interest | 16:31 |
| dpm | cprofitt, excelent :) | 16:31 |
| dpm | excellent, that is | 16:32 |
| jono | cool | 16:32 |
| jono | ok, I will go next | 16:32 |
| jono | #topic jono roundtable | 16:32 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: jono roundtable | ||
| jono | * Not as much for me as I have taken a bunch of days off work since UDS to work on the book. | 16:32 |
| jono | * Reviewed my call schedule, adding a few regular calls after discussions at UDS. | 16:32 |
| jono | I need to trim this down though | 16:32 |
| jono | I worry I am going to grow a phone out the side of my head | 16:33 |
| jono | * Went to a few events: Cloud Expo and Community Managers meeting a PayPal. | 16:33 |
| jono | * Created G+ pages across our range of brands. | 16:33 |
| jono | Ubuntu, Canonical, Ubuntu Advantage, Launchpad etc... | 16:33 |
| jono | * Working with the team to finalize the 12.04 plan - everything is now in place - see http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/22/canonical-community-team-12-04-plans/ for more details | 16:34 |
| jono | * Gathered and released UDS proceedings - see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/11/17/12-04-ubuntu-developer-summit-proceedings/ for details | 16:34 |
| doctormon | Ubuntu Advantage? | 16:35 |
| dholbach | doctormon, http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage | 16:35 |
| jono | doctormon, yeah, it is an enterprise service | 16:35 |
| jono | thanks dholbach | 16:35 |
| jono | * Finalized the role for Michael Hall and got the position filled. He starts in 2012. Woo mhall119! | 16:35 |
| dholbach | :-) | 16:36 |
| jono | * Bunch of job interviews for the QA position. | 16:36 |
| doctormon | Ah good, Ubuntu Enterprise. (I always thought the advantage to Ubuntu was always it's community ;-)) | 16:36 |
| alourie | it is | 16:36 |
| jono | doctormon, well, it is, but an Enterprise doesn't care about community, they care about support | 16:36 |
| jono | you know how some corpspeak is needed in that world :-) | 16:37 |
| snap-l | They want a name for the throat to choke | 16:37 |
| jono | yup | 16:37 |
| alourie | and someone to blame | 16:37 |
| jono | * Reviewing UDS notes and following up people on actions. | 16:37 |
| jono | * Starting putting together and releasing a series of blog entries to summarize work and focus after UDS. | 16:38 |
| jono | * Working with ISD to get the Canonical blog service improved to encourage more staff to blog publicly. | 16:38 |
| jono | and finally... | 16:38 |
| jono | * Catching up with email. | 16:38 |
| jono | any questions for me? | 16:38 |
| mainerror | jono: On the Ubuntu Advantage site, why do they have fancy orange Ubuntu brand logo on white background mugs and we don't? | 16:38 |
| alourie | jono: are you sure you took time off? ;-) | 16:38 |
| jono | mainerror, those mugs are in the Canonical office | 16:39 |
| jono | alourie, heh | 16:39 |
| jono | any questions for me? | 16:39 |
| mainerror | jono: What book are you writing? | 16:40 |
| snap-l | Jono: Average velocity of unladen swallows? :) | 16:40 |
| jono | mainerror, The Art of Community second edition | 16:40 |
| mainerror | Nice. | 16:40 |
| jono | http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/ | 16:40 |
| jono | it is available in print and under a Creative Commons license too :-) | 16:41 |
| alourie | and it's an awesome book | 16:41 |
| jono | any more questions? | 16:41 |
| jono | thanks alourie! | 16:41 |
| * alourie is in the middle of it right now | 16:41 | |
| jono | ok, dholbach you have an agenda item? | 16:41 |
| dholbach | yes, I think we still need to pick dates for UDW, UGJ, UADW and UOW | 16:41 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 16:42 |
| dholbach | for UDW I'd suggest the week of 2nd Feb (close to Feature Freeze and with some time for myself to pester people at the Rally) | 16:42 |
| jono | ok, let me load the cal | 16:42 |
| dholbach | for UGJ I'd suggest the weekend after 1st March (after Beta 1 release) | 16:43 |
| jono | lets go one at a time | 16:43 |
| jono | ok for UDW | 16:43 |
| jono | WB 13th Feb? | 16:43 |
| dholbach | I'm not sure I understand? | 16:44 |
| jono | let us review each event one at a time | 16:44 |
| dholbach | sure | 16:44 |
| jono | so the second week of Feb is week begging 13th Feb | 16:44 |
| dholbach | I just didn't understand "WB 13th Feb?" | 16:44 |
| jono | WB = Week Beginning | 16:44 |
| dholbach | ah sorry | 16:44 |
| jono | :-) | 16:44 |
| dholbach | no, I meant the week in which the 2nd of February falls | 16:44 |
| dholbach | so two weeks before Feature Freeze | 16:45 |
| jono | the 2nd Feb is a Sun | 16:45 |
| dholbach | so still before we start the bug fixing phase, but not in the crazy week of FF itself | 16:45 |
| jono | oh no | 16:45 |
| jono | I see | 16:45 |
| jono | dholbach, ok, I will add them to the Community Team cal | 16:46 |
| jono | can you add them to the Fridge Cal? | 16:46 |
| jono | UDW - 30th Jan - 3rd Feb | 16:46 |
| dholbach | I have to check again, but yeah | 16:46 |
| jono | cool | 16:46 |
| jono | UGJ - 2 - 4 Mar | 16:47 |
| dholbach | great | 16:47 |
| jono | dpm, when do you want to do UADW? | 16:47 |
| dpm | I'm thinking whether it'd be best doing it after Beta 2 or in between betas | 16:48 |
| jono | dpm, I think closer to release makes sense | 16:48 |
| jono | few app devs if any will use an Ubuntu Beta | 16:48 |
| dpm | then the next milestone is RC | 16:49 |
| alourie | is it necessary do it before the release? | 16:49 |
| dholbach | alourie, there's too much going on immediately after the release (usually UOW and UDS, etc.) - which I think is the reason why we always had it shortly before the release | 16:50 |
| dpm | alourie, we've got UDS preparation and UOW after the release | 16:50 |
| alourie | well | 16:50 |
| jono | dpm, let's do it the week before release | 16:50 |
| alourie | ok | 16:50 |
| dpm | jono, ok, 9-13 Apr, then | 16:51 |
| dpm | oh, wrong date, sorry | 16:51 |
| dpm | 16-20th April | 16:52 |
| jono | dpm, cool | 16:53 |
| jono | can you add that to the fridge cal? | 16:53 |
| dpm | sure | 16:53 |
| jono | thanks! | 16:53 |
| jcastro | hmm | 16:53 |
| jcastro | is it possible to subscribe to just a tag in launchpad? | 16:54 |
| jono | jcastro, not sure | 16:54 |
| dholbach | jcastro, I'm not sure, but bdmurray will know :) | 16:54 |
| jono | any more agenda items? | 16:54 |
| jono | we have 6m left | 16:54 |
| dholbach | UOW the week after the release? | 16:54 |
| jono | dholbach, yup | 16:54 |
| dpm | jcastro, I think it is now | 16:54 |
| dpm | there was a longstanding bug about it, and I seem to remember it was fixed some months ago | 16:55 |
| jono | ok, if no other agenda items, let's wrap it | 16:55 |
| jono | thanks everyone! | 16:55 |
| dholbach | ok, so that's Apr 30 - May 4 | 16:55 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 16:55 |
| dholbach | I'll add it | 16:55 |
| dpm | jcastro, bug 151129 | 16:55 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 151129 in launchpad "Can't subscribe to a tag" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151129 | 16:55 |
| dpm | cheers! | 16:55 |
| alourie | yea! | 16:55 |
| jcastro | ok so the events are on the calendar? | 16:56 |
| jono | dpm, give me a few mins, and then will call you | 16:56 |
| dpm | jono, cool | 16:56 |
| alourie | wow, this is refreshing to have you guys meeting in RT | 16:56 |
| jono | jcastro, yuo | 16:56 |
| jono | yup | 16:56 |
| alourie | it's much better this way | 16:56 |
| jcastro | akgraner: ^^ | 16:56 |
| jcastro | ok, the dates were all we needed | 16:56 |
| jono | alourie, :-) | 16:56 |
| jcastro | akgraner: holla at me this afternoon and we'll sort the weeks | 16:57 |
| alourie | jono: well, it's more transparent and allows other people to participate, so it's good :-) | 16:57 |
| * alourie needs to keep quiet though | 16:57 | |
| jono | alourie, :-) | 16:58 |
| jono | everyone is welcome to take part | 16:59 |
| alourie | jono: sure, but this way makes it easier | 16:59 |
| akgraner | jcastro, will do | 16:59 |
| jono | cool | 17:00 |
| jono | dpm, lets do skype | 17:00 |
| jono | my webcam is on the blink | 17:00 |
| * alourie has to take care a child | 17:01 | |
| alourie | thank you guys, you rock! | 17:01 |
| dpm | jono, my skype is not working. I cannot send sound. Mumble, or G+ without image? | 17:01 |
| jono | dpm, ok one sec | 17:02 |
| alourie | cheers | 17:02 |
| dholbach | jono, #endmeeting | 17:04 |
| jono | #endmeeting | 17:05 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Nov 22 17:05:05 2011 UTC. | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2011/ubuntu-community-team.2011-11-22-16.11.moin.txt | 17:05 |
| jono | dpm, invite sent | 17:06 |
| dholbach | jcastro, http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/a-generic-juju-charm-for-django-apps/ looks interesting | 17:10 |
| jcastro | yep | 17:10 |
| jcastro | already talking about it | 17:10 |
| jcastro | this should make it easy to deploy lots of djangoish things | 17:10 |
| dholbach | noodles rocks | 17:10 |
| cjohnston | that means that jcastro can develop and deploy summit | 17:18 |
| jcastro | or I can kill myself | 17:18 |
| akgraner | jcastro - reading the scrollback now | 17:22 |
| dholbach | alright my friends - it's time to call it a day over here | 17:24 |
| dholbach | see you all tomorrow | 17:24 |
| dholbach | HUGS | 17:24 |
| cprofitt | cya dholbach | 17:25 |
| jcastro | <--- lunching | 17:38 |
| dpm | ok, calling it a day here. See you all tomorrow! | 18:20 |
| jcastro | jono: the dates to all the weeks are wrong | 18:23 |
| jcastro | they're 3 days now, and in the middle of the week | 18:23 |
| jono | yeah, I remember you saying it was three days but I just added them to show which week it was | 18:24 |
| jono | can you go and update them? | 18:24 |
| jcastro | where? | 18:24 |
| jcastro | in the calendar? | 18:24 |
| jcastro | ok fixed | 18:29 |
| bkerensa | jono: When we get a final date for the Debian/Ubuntu Local Jam up here any chance you might plug it? | 18:31 |
| jono | bkerensa, sure | 18:31 |
| cprofitt | jono: not sure if this is needed, but I marked this pending approval | 18:40 |
| cprofitt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement | 18:40 |
| cprofitt | does it need to be 'approved'? | 18:40 |
| jono | cprofitt, not really, just keep the BP up to date | 18:44 |
| jono | :-) | 18:44 |
| jono | and then subscribers will see progress | 18:44 |
| jcastro | jono: a reshare of my juju charm school announcement by the ubuntu G+ account would be swell | 18:46 |
| jono | link me up | 18:46 |
| jcastro | https://plus.google.com/103184405956510785630/posts | 18:46 |
| jcastro | whut, you are not following juju! | 18:46 |
| jcastro | for shame! | 18:46 |
| cprofitt | jcastro: man... you are making another thing I have to put on my tolearn list... :-) | 18:52 |
| jcastro | man dude | 18:52 |
| jcastro | jono: 15,280 followers of ubuntu! | 18:52 |
| jono | jcastro, done | 18:52 |
| jcastro | !!!!! | 18:52 |
| jono | jcastro, :-) | 18:52 |
| jcastro | I have like 500 more people following me on G+ than twitter | 18:52 |
| * cprofitt nods to jono about earlier question | 18:53 | |
| jono | :-) | 18:53 |
| cprofitt | hadoop I expect to be followed | 18:53 |
| cprofitt | bunch of IT magazines are telling people that is the next 'big payday' for IT folks | 18:54 |
| cprofitt | watch the herd move :-) | 18:54 |
| snap-l | jcastro: New leader of Cloud City: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/jorge_calrissian.jpg | 18:56 |
| cprofitt | lol | 18:56 |
| cprofitt | snap-l: that is just... wrong! | 18:56 |
| jcastro | hahaha | 18:56 |
| jcastro | awesome | 18:56 |
| jcastro | my middle name is orLANDO | 18:57 |
| cprofitt | jorge wears and aubergine cape | 18:57 |
| snap-l | Too good | 18:57 |
| mainerror | lol | 18:57 |
| alourie | funny | 18:58 |
| jono | lol | 18:58 |
| alourie | I've been thinking | 18:59 |
| alourie | how come there's a Juju school | 18:59 |
| alourie | a dev genormous portal | 18:59 |
| alourie | and nothing like that for QA? :~/ | 18:59 |
| alourie | QA school forever! | 19:00 |
| jcastro | Make one! | 19:00 |
| alourie | sure thing | 19:00 |
| alourie | that's an idea I had the other day | 19:00 |
| cprofitt | alourie: sounds like a good one... its about time the 'roadies' got some face time and exposure | 19:02 |
| alourie | yea! | 19:02 |
| cprofitt | being a sys admin I know what it is like to sit in the dark corners of the 'system' making sure it all works | 19:02 |
| alourie | being an integrator I know that too :-) | 19:03 |
| cprofitt | let me know what I can do to help as you move toward building that | 19:03 |
| alourie | and it's a very important issue with Ubuntu | 19:03 |
| alourie | cprofitt: gladly | 19:03 |
| cprofitt | its critical | 19:03 |
| alourie | I agree | 19:03 |
| cprofitt | I am working on the visible part of that with bdmurray right now | 19:03 |
| alourie | oh? | 19:04 |
| cprofitt | having people understand that process... I think many do not | 19:04 |
| cprofitt | it is more 'bug' related at this point | 19:04 |
| cprofitt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement | 19:04 |
| alourie | ah, the graph was yours? | 19:04 |
| cprofitt | but getting people to understand | 19:04 |
| cprofitt | the graph? | 19:04 |
| * alourie read it on someones blog | 19:04 | |
| cprofitt | You mean the flow chart? | 19:04 |
| alourie | yes | 19:05 |
| cprofitt | The one I posted was actually from Fedora, but I am working on a end-user high level overview for Ubuntu | 19:05 |
| alourie | so it was you! | 19:05 |
| cprofitt | yep | 19:05 |
| alourie | phew, I though my memory does tricks on me | 19:05 |
| cprofitt | and the second draft got sent to bdmurray last night | 19:05 |
| alourie | oh great | 19:05 |
| cprofitt | I would like to do some similar stuff on the ISO testing, etc | 19:05 |
| alourie | and the general team structure | 19:06 |
| cprofitt | to really show people the 'whole' process at a high non-technical level | 19:06 |
| alourie | I find it strange that I just discovered that pgraner is the QA team leader | 19:06 |
| alourie | I shouldv'e known | 19:06 |
| alourie | thanks akgraner for that | 19:06 |
| cprofitt | yeah. | 19:07 |
| akgraner | alourie, oops - I don't talk about *that* other graner very often... | 19:07 |
| cprofitt | I found out when he moved in to that position, but I think that was because I hang with a few QA type folks | 19:07 |
| cprofitt | lol | 19:07 |
| cprofitt | akgraner: :-) | 19:08 |
| alourie | akgraner: but you did the *interview* | 19:08 |
| akgraner | alourie, oh yeah see how easy it is to forget about that one | 19:08 |
| alourie | oh yea | 19:09 |
| akgraner | :-) | 19:09 |
| alourie | I find it strange that I had to find out about it that way | 19:10 |
| alourie | I think Ubuntu QA should be revitalized | 19:10 |
| alourie | get a facelift and PR :-) | 19:10 |
| cprofitt | It certainly needs some facetime | 19:10 |
| alourie | and attention | 19:11 |
| cprofitt | alourie: how is your son doing? | 19:13 |
| alourie | cprofitt: oh, thanks | 19:13 |
| alourie | he's now almost recovered | 19:13 |
| alourie | no fever, just moods :-) | 19:13 |
| cprofitt | good to hear... I always worry when mine are ill. | 19:13 |
| alourie | yea, but he's very cute even then | 19:14 |
| cprofitt | it was much worse when they could not communicate with my wife and I | 19:14 |
| alourie | yes! he was crying all the time, and we couldn't help him...didn't know how :-( | 19:14 |
| cprofitt | is he your first? | 19:14 |
| alourie | yes | 19:14 |
| cprofitt | I have three... I can tell you it gets easier | 19:15 |
| alourie | oh man | 19:15 |
| alourie | three | 19:15 |
| cprofitt | akgraner: will tell you after it gets easier it gets tougher | 19:15 |
| cprofitt | :-) | 19:15 |
| cprofitt | mine have not hit their teen years yet | 19:15 |
| alourie | I'm sure she would | 19:15 |
| cprofitt | 4,6,11 | 19:15 |
| alourie | mine is 6 months 3 weeks | 19:15 |
| cprofitt | April 30th if I recall | 19:16 |
| alourie | yes! how do you remember that??? | 19:16 |
| cprofitt | that post and your post about the weird RedHat interview are two that I recall | 19:16 |
| cprofitt | not sure why the date did. | 19:16 |
| alourie | ha :-) | 19:16 |
| alourie | yea, Red Hat | 19:16 |
| alourie | those guys are actually Qumranet company (the ones who did KVM) | 19:17 |
| cprofitt | the RedHat one did because I am a Windows Sys Admin that would love to get into a Linux environment | 19:17 |
| cprofitt | the only thought I had is it might have been like the job Microsoft offered me back in 1999 | 19:17 |
| alourie | nah, I'm trying not to get MS work. It's hard though | 19:17 |
| cprofitt | they wanted me on a team that converted people... as a former Novell Sys Admin they wanted me to 'help' ease the pain Novell Admins were experiencing | 19:18 |
| cprofitt | yeah... I want to get out of the MS space too. | 19:18 |
| alourie | o-oh | 19:18 |
| cprofitt | I actually turn down side jobs now that involve Windows unless it is to convert them away from it | 19:18 |
| alourie | yes! for some reason, my Linux exp falls into "nice to have" category | 19:18 |
| * cprofitt nods | 19:19 | |
| cprofitt | I use it a lot at work... but it doesn't seem to register with recruiters | 19:19 |
| alourie | hear this: | 19:19 |
| alourie | my last position as integrator was integrating Linux systems with Solaris systems. | 19:19 |
| alourie | one computer in the system is Windows - it handles the installation (!) | 19:20 |
| alourie | so my work environment? Windows. | 19:20 |
| cprofitt | I run OSSEC, Cacti, and Greenbone on Ubuntu at work... I use my Linux knowledge to help with the VMWare environment and running several 'applicances' (all running Linux under the black box) | 19:20 |
| cprofitt | I hear ya | 19:20 |
| cprofitt | I am in a smaller town as well... so not very much going on in the Linux space... jobs are almost all Windows based. | 19:21 |
| cprofitt | I can not complain too much... my current job allows me to run Ubuntu as my main OS and it allows me time to run a LUG, the Loco team and contribute to Ubuntu | 19:21 |
| alourie | and the pay? | 19:22 |
| cprofitt | not at work, but work hours are stable and normal unlike many tech jobs | 19:22 |
| cprofitt | 70K a year, plus good health insurance and a fixed benefit retirement plan | 19:22 |
| cprofitt | I pay for 10% of the health insurance | 19:22 |
| alourie | well, that's not too shabby | 19:24 |
| alourie | with kids, hours become the top priority | 19:25 |
| cprofitt | yeah... its not great, but not bad. | 19:25 |
| cprofitt | with the three kids I decided that the hours were a priority over getting a great paying interesting job | 19:25 |
| cprofitt | mind you... I would jump ship in a heartbeat if I found a good paying interesting job... Windows bores me to tears. | 19:26 |
| cprofitt | other than open source one of my passions in information security, but the only jobs I have seen are in Virginia | 19:27 |
| cprofitt | great pay... outstanding in some cases, but the jobs require too much travel | 19:28 |
| alourie | is it far from you? | 19:28 |
| alourie | ah | 19:28 |
| alourie | I'd go with 25% travel, more than that could be insane | 19:29 |
| cprofitt | Virginia would require relocation. I am in New York State (Rochester) so about 387 miles away | 19:29 |
| alourie | wow, that's far | 19:29 |
| cprofitt | Yeah... no way to do it without relocation | 19:29 |
| cprofitt | then add that 50% of it woudl involve travel | 19:30 |
| alourie | insane | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | and much of the travel would be away from home for 1wk at a time | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | its a young man's job IMHO | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | though I would love the work | 19:30 |
| alourie | this requires a single person... | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | yep | 19:30 |
| cprofitt | The Microsoft job was worse | 19:31 |
| cprofitt | it was 90% travel | 19:31 |
| cprofitt | one of the guys actually told me to not bother getting an apartment there... just get a PO box | 19:31 |
| cprofitt | that was crazy | 19:31 |
| alourie | wow | 19:31 |
| cprofitt | lucky for me I turned it down... 6 months later we found out about my first daughter | 19:32 |
| cprofitt | I would have had to quit | 19:32 |
| alourie | oh dear | 19:32 |
| alourie | all this makes me wishing to start my own business | 19:33 |
| cprofitt | I would be too nervous to do that... | 19:34 |
| alourie | why? | 19:34 |
| cprofitt | fear of failure... without kids I would take the risk | 19:36 |
| alourie | oh | 19:36 |
| alourie | yea | 19:36 |
| cprofitt | but with kids... that is too great a fear | 19:36 |
| cprofitt | my grandfather and father both ran their own businesses | 19:36 |
| cprofitt | but I got to see the 'lean' times... and it tore them apart | 19:36 |
| alourie | you've got to admire them though | 19:37 |
| alourie | btw, starting a business doesn't mean leaving day job | 19:38 |
| cprofitt | I do admire them | 19:42 |
| cprofitt | I do have a business on the side... | 19:42 |
| alourie | aha! | 19:42 |
| cprofitt | made some good money some years | 19:42 |
| cprofitt | I think the best was $12K extra | 19:43 |
| alourie | wow! | 19:43 |
| alourie | not that bad | 19:43 |
| cprofitt | yeah... most years its 2-3K extra | 19:43 |
| alourie | does it take a lot of time? | 19:43 |
| cprofitt | but with the kids I do not put a lot of time in on it | 19:43 |
| alourie | :-) | 19:43 |
| * alourie thinks him and cprofitt should stop typing and move to telepathy | 19:44 | |
| cprofitt | lol | 19:44 |
| cprofitt | the 2-3K is about 4 extra hours a month | 19:44 |
| alourie | that's good though | 19:44 |
| cprofitt | yeah | 19:44 |
| cprofitt | I charge $70/hour for the outside work | 19:44 |
| alourie | what kind of work do you do? | 19:46 |
| cprofitt | moslty sys admin type stuff... recovering data from servers, migrating data between old machine and new machine, but the best year I did a custom piece of software | 19:47 |
| alourie | oh...programming? | 19:47 |
| cprofitt | Yeah... I used to do .net programming C#/ASP.net | 19:47 |
| alourie | ok | 19:48 |
| alourie | never touched that stuff | 19:48 |
| cprofitt | the custom app was a customer relations / job tracking application | 19:48 |
| alourie | nice | 19:48 |
| cprofitt | now I am slowly trying to learn Python | 19:48 |
| alourie | why slowly? | 19:48 |
| cprofitt | the majority of the customer relations app was the database backend and understanding their workflow | 19:48 |
| cprofitt | slowly -- I learned .net when I had no kids... | 19:49 |
| cprofitt | python I am trying to learn with 3 kids | 19:49 |
| alourie | wow, half a year ago I wouldn't understand what you're talking about | 19:49 |
| alourie | now I do | 19:50 |
| alourie | get youself a project at work that /must/ be done in python - it will help :-) | 19:50 |
| cprofitt | before I had kids I had no concept of how much time kids take away from the free time pool either | 19:51 |
| cprofitt | I am working with the loco directory right now | 19:51 |
| cprofitt | so Python and Django I beleive | 19:51 |
| alourie | great | 19:51 |
| cprofitt | yeah... it feels good to do it | 19:52 |
| alourie | I started writing a web game just to learn python. And Django | 19:52 |
| cprofitt | when I first got involved it was my goal, but I found a realtively weak loco community and dedicated time to strengthening that | 19:52 |
| alourie | got to some point ok, now I don't have time for it | 19:52 |
| alourie | cprofitt: sorry to leave the conversation, but I must go. It's already quite late here | 19:54 |
| alourie | I suggest to catch up next time about that QA school thingie | 19:54 |
| cprofitt | have a good one alourie | 19:58 |
| cprofitt | talk with you later | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | cjohnston: any idea why the juju charm school isn't going to be in -classroom? | 20:09 |
| pleia2 | they'd get a bigger audience that way | 20:09 |
| pleia2 | or jcastro ^^ | 20:10 |
| cjohnston | pleia2: no idea? jcastro ? | 20:10 |
| jcastro | I wanted in #juju so people can idle there | 20:11 |
| cjohnston | its not ubuntu-juju? | 20:17 |
| jcastro | no | 20:17 |
| cprofitt | gotta run folks... see you after dinner. | 20:25 |
| jcastro | test test | 20:42 |
| greg-g | pass pass | 20:53 |
| akgraner | jcastro do you have a few now? | 20:54 |
| jcastro | yeah | 20:55 |
| jcastro | akgraner: ok so I added the dates to the trello | 20:55 |
| akgraner | yep saw that | 20:55 |
| akgraner | jcastro, so the game plan is 30 minute sessions for UOW right? | 21:00 |
| akgraner | and fewer hours? | 21:01 |
| jcastro | yeah | 21:01 |
| jcastro | it's in the spec iirc | 21:01 |
| akgraner | ok - I missed that session and did subscribe to the BP :-/ | 21:01 |
| akgraner | sorry | 21:01 |
| akgraner | but I'll find it and look | 21:01 |
| akgraner | thanks! | 21:01 |
| akgraner | just needing pointed in the right direction | 21:02 |
| akgraner | needed | 21:02 |
| akgraner | dang I can't type | 21:02 |
| akgraner | jcastro, thanks! | 21:03 |
| jcastro | wait | 21:03 |
| jcastro | I could have sworn, you were there. | 21:03 |
| akgraner | nope | 21:05 |
| akgraner | pleia2, told me about it | 21:05 |
| akgraner | made a note to circle back around with you but sadly it didn't happen :-/ | 21:07 |
| akgraner | but we're good now | 21:07 |
| akgraner | or rather I'm good :-) you're like jcastro so you're awesome regardless.... | 21:10 |
| jcastro | jono: so like you could blog about guitars and people would still leave comments about unity. | 21:19 |
| jono | jcastro, srsly | 21:19 |
| jcastro | I tell that to craig all the time | 21:20 |
| snap-l | jono: Word association time: | 21:20 |
| jcastro | "If you are using mint then you don't need to talk to me NOW DO YOU." | 21:20 |
| jono | lol | 21:20 |
| jcastro | just kidding, craig is still with us. | 21:20 |
| snap-l | Puppies (You're killing Linux with Ubuntu) | 21:21 |
| jono | heh | 21:21 |
| snap-l | Horseradish (You're killing Linux with Ubuntu) | 21:21 |
| jono | it's funny how people think that using Mint is an objection to Ubuntu...it is Free Software, so that is awesome | 21:21 |
| snap-l | Fork (UNITY IS TEH DESTROIER OF WURLDS) | 21:21 |
| jono | if people move to a Mac or Windows, that is when I get bent out of shape | 21:21 |
| jcastro | hey, we got rick_h back from arch, anything is possible | 21:21 |
| snap-l | All I have to say is if you want to move back to Mac, be my guest | 21:22 |
| snap-l | You're a real sadist if you use Macports | 21:22 |
| jcastro | I unfriend people who move to macs. | 21:22 |
| snap-l | it's like the ultimate punishment | 21:22 |
| jcastro | Jill was like "ask Andrew and ken for their new addresses so we can send them xmas cards." | 21:22 |
| jcastro | I was like "they're off the list." | 21:22 |
| snap-l | hah | 21:22 |
| jcastro | though that new macbook air looks sooooooo nice. | 21:23 |
| jcastro | but asus has like an exact clone of it now, heh | 21:23 |
| snap-l | Dude, it's a computer and a bread knife | 21:23 |
| snap-l | What's not to love? | 21:23 |
| jcastro | I am eyeballing the new Asus Transformer | 21:23 |
| jcastro | the Prime | 21:24 |
| jcastro | yeah they really call it that | 21:24 |
| snap-l | I thought there was some ubu-trouble with the Transformer | 21:24 |
| jcastro | not sure | 21:28 |
| jcastro | It would be a tablet for me, I have a notebook already | 21:28 |
| jcastro | though I might donate a PC and use my laptop for my new "desktop PC" and get an X120 | 21:28 |
| jcastro | snap-l: I really miss that form factor | 21:28 |
| snap-l | jcastro: I shouldn't say that it works like a charm now, should I? :) | 21:29 |
| jcastro | snap-l: You truly belong with us here in the clouds | 21:29 |
| jcastro | I'm lando calrissian, I'm the administrator of this facility | 21:30 |
| snap-l | Send down a ladder | 21:30 |
| snap-l | Ready to step up | 21:30 |
| snap-l | I'll even shave my head ala Lobot | 21:30 |
| jono | man, I love slayer | 21:42 |
| jono | they never stop being awesome | 21:42 |
| jono | time for a coffee, brb | 21:42 |
| jcastro | they never stop being the same song over and over and over and over | 21:46 |
| snap-l | jcastro: whathehellwhydoyousaythatslayerdoesmorethanjustthesamesongover and over and OOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRR | 21:48 |
| snap-l | OOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR | 21:48 |
| jcastro | I could play angel of death over and over | 21:48 |
| jcastro | that's like one of the best riffs of all time | 21:48 |
| jono | I love them | 21:51 |
| jono | you are right though, it all sounds like slayer | 21:51 |
| snap-l | If I want stuff that I can't play without practicing, I'll listen to Meshuggah | 21:51 |
| snap-l | If I want a nice pair of metal loafers, I'll listen to Slayer. | 21:51 |
| snap-l | http://outloud.fm/openmetalcast | 21:52 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: hey | 21:52 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: how do tags work on etherpad | 21:52 |
| jcastro | if I mark something #blah | 21:53 |
| jcastro | how do I get an index of #blah pages? | 21:53 |
| jcastro | snap-l: don't laugh at me but .... I am on a big def leppard kick. | 21:53 |
| jcastro | there, I said it. | 21:53 |
| technoviking | jcastro: Gunter glieben glauchen globen | 21:55 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Nothing wrong with that. | 21:55 |
| snap-l | jcastro: http://outloud.fm/openmetalcast | 21:56 |
| jcastro | yeah let's rock this | 21:56 |
| cjohnston | uggh.. LC has taken over the summit page :-( | 22:14 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: thats one of the things.. creating the ability to run multiple DIFFERENT summits | 22:14 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/search?query=topic | 22:15 |
| jcastro | right | 22:15 |
| jcastro | it's not returning anything though | 22:15 |
| cjohnston | dunno | 22:15 |
| cjohnston | etherpad isnt my baby | 22:15 |
| cjohnston | :-/ | 22:15 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell / Daviey ^ | 22:15 |
| jcastro | <<<---- EOD | 22:21 |
| cjohnston | g'nite | 22:21 |
| cjohnston | anyone know if its possible to remove google chat from the gmail page? | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | if you click on the chat bubble icon at the bottom it goes away | 22:26 |
| cjohnston | hmm.. i dont see a chat bubble icon | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | should be black and at the bottom of the screen | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | assuming you're using new gmail layout | 22:28 |
| cjohnston | i am | 22:28 |
| AlanBell | jcastro: cjohnston yeah, that is sadly broken and was always in that version of etherpad :( | 22:28 |
| jcastro | ok, so maybe etherpad-lite works | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | hm, maybe only black in my theme | 22:29 |
| AlanBell | dunno if etherpad lite has hashtag searching, I will go check | 22:29 |
| jono | jcastro, why isn't http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/13164681435/our-first-charm-school on cloud.ubuntu.com ? | 22:29 |
| jcastro | jono: it is | 22:29 |
| jcastro | jono: mark did it on cloud, I did it on planet | 22:30 |
| jono | ahhh ok | 22:30 |
| jono | cool | 22:30 |
| jcastro | because I can't figure out how to unspam planet with cloud.u.c | 22:30 |
| jono | but hand on, cloud.ubuntu.com is posted to planet | 22:30 |
| jcastro | yeah, his announcement is different and did it a while after mine | 22:30 |
| jono | jcastro, as I mentioned the other day, you should create a planet category feed for planet, and then all c.u.c goes to planet | 22:30 |
| jcastro | I know | 22:30 |
| jcastro | but the thing is all custom | 22:31 |
| jono | what is custom? | 22:31 |
| cjohnston | pleia2: if i found what i think i found, i had to switch to dark for a minute | 22:31 |
| jcastro | and I can't get ahold of daker | 22:31 |
| cjohnston | ty | 22:31 |
| jcastro | the feed for cloud.u.c | 22:31 |
| jono | jcastro, if dakar has gone AWOL, ask someone internally to fix it | 22:31 |
| jcastro | cloud.u.c only posts the "featured" tag | 22:31 |
| jcastro | I know | 22:31 |
| jcastro | I am trying | 22:31 |
| jcastro | but I had to file RTs, etc. | 22:31 |
| cjohnston | i believe its the middle of the night where daker is | 22:32 |
| jcastro | it's in progress but the thing is kind of a mess with the tags, etc. | 22:32 |
| jono | what do you mean a mess with tags? | 22:32 |
| jcastro | you need to post it with "featured" to go on cloud.u.c | 22:32 |
| jcastro | and planet for it to go on planet. | 22:32 |
| jcastro | but there's no way to say "post this person's blog posts on cloud, unless they are on planet, then don't." | 22:33 |
| jono | no, this is how we set it up: | 22:33 |
| jono | * everyone has a `cloud` category and `planet` category feed for their blog | 22:34 |
| jono | all your cloud posts are in the `cloud` category which goes to c.u.c and is then syndicated to planet | 22:34 |
| jono | all other posts are just in the `planet` category | 22:34 |
| jcastro | but it doesn't do that | 22:34 |
| jcastro | that's what I am trying to change | 22:34 |
| jono | jcastro, that is how Ahmed set it up | 22:34 |
| jono | it should work like that | 22:34 |
| jcastro | if you post and tag it "cloud" it doesn't go onto cloud.ubuntu.com | 22:35 |
| jono | ok, can I leave this with you to resolve? | 22:35 |
| jcastro | yes, I am in the process of doing it | 22:35 |
| cjohnston | pleia2: ty | 22:35 |
| jono | well obviously the feeds would need updating to point to a cloud feed | 22:35 |
| jcastro | we're basically getting rid of the "featured" tag | 22:35 |
| jono | I suspect some of the feeds were not updated | 22:35 |
| jono | yup | 22:35 |
| jcastro | whichd doesn't make sense | 22:35 |
| jono | thanks jcastro | 22:35 |
| jcastro | no, they're all updated | 22:35 |
| jcastro | I did all that | 22:35 |
| jcastro | all I need to do is fix the custom php thing, which I need IS to do | 22:35 |
| jcastro | because it's doing some custom thing I wasn't aware of and had to figure out | 22:36 |
| jono | what needs to be fixed? | 22:36 |
| jono | this should be as simple as just pointing a set of cloud category feeds to c.u.c | 22:36 |
| jono | are you saying there is another step? | 22:36 |
| jcastro | it isn't | 22:36 |
| jcastro | it's not normall wordpress | 22:36 |
| jcastro | the front page is like a custom php page | 22:36 |
| jono | *sigh*, I was pretty explicit with Ahmed about how this should have worked | 22:36 |
| jcastro | that says "put things in the featured tag on the front page" | 22:37 |
| jono | oh I see | 22:37 |
| jcastro | I am changing that to just be "cloud" | 22:37 |
| jono | thanks | 22:37 |
| jcastro | which is what it's supposed to be | 22:37 |
| jcastro | it's like some custom theme thing | 22:37 |
| jono | please don't block on dakar, ask ISD to help if needed | 22:37 |
| jono | I hear we have someone on the inside for a few weeks ;-) | 22:37 |
| jcastro | well, we couldn't figure out which file it was in until today | 22:38 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: is this an easy fix or somethign complicated? | 22:38 |
| jcastro | it's an easy fix | 22:39 |
| jcastro | guys, I'm not an idiot | 22:39 |
| cjohnston | i was going to offer assistance.. but if it was comlpicated i dont have time right now | 22:39 |
| jcastro | it's all custom themes, with multiple version dumped into wp and I don't have any access to the filesystem and editing is locked down in the thing | 22:39 |
| cjohnston | gotcha | 22:39 |
| jono | jcastro, no one is suggesting you are an idiot | 22:40 |
| jcastro | anyway, it's all in the spec | 22:45 |
| jcastro | it doesn't work how people think it works | 22:45 |
| jcastro | when I am done cleaning out the tags I will post "you should use these tags" to the proper lists. | 22:45 |
| jono | thanks | 22:46 |
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