[06:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:09] <jono> hey czajkowski
[07:14] <bkerensa> Good Evening
[07:39]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[07:39] <nigelb> jussi: Have fun with the baby stuff :)
[07:39] <bkerensa> jussi: Yeah were going to miss you much :D
[07:56] <alourie> good morning
[07:57]  * alourie feels depressed and demotivated
[07:58] <jussi> alourie: whats up?
[07:59] <alourie> jussi: ah, one part of my life is not working out as I want it to
[08:00] <alourie> it kills all the motivation to engage in stuff
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <alourie> hi dholbach
[08:04] <dholbach> hi alourie
[08:14]  * alourie wants to be an oligarch but one who's not hunted by own country's government
[08:16] <jono> morning folks
[08:16] <jono> I am going to head to bed
[08:16] <jono> have a wonderful day :-)
[08:42] <doctormon> alourie: hello
[09:16] <alourie> doctormon: hi
[09:17] <doctormon> alourie: Do you feel unmotivated?
[09:17] <alourie> doctormon: yes
[09:17] <alourie> that's the result of the depression :-)
[09:17] <doctormon> alourie: What do you want to do?
[09:17] <alourie> doctormon: well, everything?
[09:18] <doctormon> alourie: First rule of depression and procrastination - never beat yourself up for not achieving the impossible.
[09:19] <doctormon> If your goals are impossible, then it's better to understand and find new goals, maybe smaller parts or letting go things that aren't so important.
[09:19] <jussi> doctormon: hi!
[09:19] <dholbach> or break up your big goals into small actually achievable steps
[09:19] <czajkowski> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mozilla_aims_to_iconize_skills_with_standardized_m.php
[09:20] <doctormon> dholbach: Do you know the second rule involving small steps?
[09:20] <bkerensa> wow.... I think this new mouse I got is like the Ferrari of such devices.... It has 6 buttons and idk wow
[09:20] <dholbach> doctormon, no, what's the second rule?
[09:21] <dholbach> hey bkerensa
[09:21] <dholbach> bkerensa, thanks for volunteering
[09:21] <bkerensa> hi dholbach!
[09:21] <bkerensa> dholbach: Yeah not sure if I'm the right fit but I'm willing to help where and when I can
[09:22] <doctormon> dholbach: Celebrate every step as an achievement worthy of a dance. Physical activity also helps. Each step isn't small, it isn't insignificant, it's magnificent and worthy of feeling good about achieving.
[09:22] <dholbach> bkerensa, sure... if you find out you don't like it, that's totally fine :)
[09:22] <dholbach> that sounds like a good rule to me
[09:22] <bkerensa> :D
[09:22]  * dholbach will do some dancing today
[09:22] <dholbach> ... and take out the dog for a walk in a bit
[09:22] <alourie> dholbach, doctormon: you both are absolutely right, but it's still hard
[09:23]  * doctormon does a little dance
[09:23] <alourie> especially in light of the things I want but that slip through my fingers
[09:23] <alourie> that's what depressing
[09:23] <bkerensa> TIL: They make mouses that have "Speed Toggles" and "Forward Back buttons"
[09:23] <bkerensa> :P
[09:23] <doctormon> alourie: Ah, accepting our own capabilities is important.
[09:24] <doctormon> alourie: It shouldn't depress you that you are moral and finite.
[09:24] <doctormon> mortal*
[09:25] <alourie> oh, I am capable for lots of things :-)
[09:29] <highvoltage> dholbach: hey there
[09:29] <dholbach> hiya highvoltage
[09:29] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[09:29] <dholbach> highvoltage, and thanks for the flowers
[09:32] <doctormon> alourie: But not at the same time ;-)
[09:33] <alourie> doctormon: of course, that would be impossible
[09:33] <doctormon> alourie: So file that under rule one.
[09:33] <alourie> hm
[09:34] <highvoltage> dholbach: good thanks (and pleasure!)
[09:34] <highvoltage> dholbach: we need to schedule Edubuntu Council re-elections, and somehow I've forgotten how that works
[09:34] <highvoltage> dholbach: does the CC handle the nominations, or should the current EC initiate that?
[09:35] <doctormon> I think I might want to do a time management class for the community, Hillary Rettig does them at MIT and they are awesome.
[09:36] <bkerensa> doctormon: +1 I would be interested in attending that (schedule permitting)
[09:36] <dholbach> highvoltage, if you could handle the nominations process, that'd be great
[09:36] <highvoltage> dholbach: ok, will do
[09:36] <dholbach> highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing should have a lot of info that might be helpful
[09:36] <dholbach> highvoltage, if there's anything missing, let me know :)
[09:37] <highvoltage> doctormon: wow, I was just stressing about all the stuff I need to do for the last hour or so and wondering whether I should sign up for time management classes somewhere :)
[09:37] <nigelb> Hey highvoltage!
[09:37] <bkerensa> dholbach: Your going to ping all the volunteers what time and channel we will meet for the talks on thursday right? Just wanna add it to my calendar
[09:37] <nigelb> s/your/you're
[09:37] <highvoltage> doctormon: I think if I could just learn to relax and do one thing at a time, then I'd actually have enough time for everything, but I end up spreading myself too thin, try to do everything, and then get almost nothing done :(
[09:37] <highvoltage> hey nigelb
[09:38] <dholbach> bkerensa, for now I was just thinking we add stuff to the google doc (shared it with you all) and we do stuff by mail - but we can also chat (on #ubuntu-news maybe?)
[09:38] <dholbach> bkerensa, I'll reply to the mail I just sent to the 3 of you
[09:39] <bkerensa> dholbach: ^ sounds good.... I like open collaboration via gdocs on stuff :) it makes it easy to get stuff done and have lots of people working on something
[09:39] <dholbach> bkerensa, I just hope that copy/paste into wordpress will work (with all the links and stuff)
[09:39] <bkerensa> dholbach: Yeah it should work just fine the only problems I have ran into is copy/pasting from LibreOffice to WP (LibreOffice passes some weird markup)
[09:40] <dholbach> ahh ok
[09:40] <dholbach> that's great then :)
[09:40] <doctormon> highvoltage: Sounds like rule three and four problems. But you understand them.
[09:43] <highvoltage> doctormon: where do I see those rules?
[09:44] <doctormon> highvoltage: They're in my head, but Hillary Rettig has some books where she goes into a lot of detail.
[09:45] <doctormon> highvoltage: http://hillaryrettig.com/
[09:46] <doctormon> Rule three: Your state of being is highly dependent on your context, thus your environment for working must be just for working and comfortable for you to work.
[09:47] <doctormon> Rule four: Everyone must learn to say no, it's hard and we feel bad for letting people down, but it must be done.
[09:47] <highvoltage> yeah, 3 is a very big problem for me, number 4 isn't at all
[09:48] <highvoltage> but I'll read that blog and stop spamming the channel about my problems :)
[09:49] <doctormon> highvoltage: It's interesting how many people do suffer from these demons.
[09:50] <bkerensa> Goodnight Folks!
[09:50] <doctormon> I've got a second laptop now (10.10, older Acer) and I'musing that for facebook, miro and games. It's in the living room.
[09:54] <alourie> good night bkerensa
[10:13] <daker> jcastro, yo
[10:24] <dholbach> daker, I think where jcastro lives it's currently 05:24 :)
[10:25] <daker> dholbach, ah ok thanks
[10:36] <czajkowski> daker: if you leave a message he's really good at getting back to people or drop him an email
[10:37] <daker> czajkowski, ok
[10:41] <czajkowski> daker: unless anyone in here can help you?
[10:43] <daker> czajkowski, no jcastro poked me first
[10:45] <jussi> czajkowski: daker o/
[10:45] <czajkowski> daker: ahh gotcha
[10:45] <czajkowski> jussi: aloha
[10:46] <jussi> coffee is a good thing :)
[10:46] <jussi> czajkowski: hows things? enjoying the new job?
[10:49] <czajkowski> ah so so
[10:49] <czajkowski> 3 articles about ubuntu in m y feed and not allowed to write about one of them
[10:49] <czajkowski> which kinda sucks
[10:50] <czajkowski> instead I'm writing about http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12644
[11:03] <jussi> czajkowski: interesting thing all the same
[11:03] <czajkowski> yes it is, but I've an hr to research and article and write it
[11:03] <czajkowski> where as ask me to write on the rhythmbox article and I can do that easier
[12:04] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:45] <mainerror> Hey there.
[12:45] <mainerror> Got a question for you guys.
[12:46] <mainerror> http://askubuntu.com/questions/80772/whats-the-deal-with-all-these-chuck-montages
[12:51] <cprofitt> mainerror: posted an answer (though humorous)
[12:51] <mainerror> lol
[12:52] <mainerror> I'd really love to know how or why he became a meme though. :P
[12:52] <cprofitt> not sure myself... I believe it started at UDS though
[13:09] <popey> ☺
[13:11] <mainerror> I guess popey knows but doesn't tell. :D
[13:13] <pabs3> what time is the meeting? Jono's blog post didn't list UTC so its hard to tell
[13:18] <mainerror> 4 P.M. UK Time which is GMT.
[13:24] <czajkowski> 4pm UTC
[13:33] <highvoltage> pabs3: how is it hard? he listed it in multiple timezones :)
[13:36] <pabs3> I dunno about you but I wasn't able to map what he listed to official timezone names. for example, pacific/eastern are the same thing to me (UTC+10)
[13:43] <czajkowski> pabs3: or using http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[15:52] <cjohnston> http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/ubuntu-my-first-code-contribution/
[15:52] <cjohnston> congrats cprofitt
[15:53] <popey> nice one
[15:58] <dholbach> jcastro, dpm: our team meeting is in 2m?
[15:58] <dholbach> if so, it'll clash with the SRU team meeting and server team meeting
[15:58] <dpm> oh, bummer
[15:58] <dholbach> and in 32m there'll be a desktop team meeting as well
[15:58] <dholbach> nice
[15:59] <dholbach> 4 meetings at the same time is not bad :)
[15:59] <dholbach> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/
[15:59] <jcastro> why do we have meetings there anyway?
[15:59] <jcastro> team channel baby!
[15:59] <jcastro> it's where the people who would care most about what we are working on hang out?
[15:59] <jcastro> cprofitt: nice work dude!
[16:01]  * dholbach summons Mr Bacon
[16:02] <dholbach> jono, hey - ubuntu-meeting is taken
[16:02] <dholbach> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/
[16:02] <jono> dholbach, what is there?
[16:02] <jono> hmmm
[16:02] <dholbach> SRU team meeting and server team meeting
[16:02] <dholbach> and in 30m desktop team
[16:03] <dholbach> jcastro recommended to do it here, which might be the easiest
[16:03] <jono> I think it makes sense
[16:03] <jono> it's a shame it won't be logged
[16:04] <jono> well, I mean that we have a meeting bot
[16:04] <jono> let's just do it here
[16:04] <dholbach> jcastro, is a bot
[16:04] <dholbach> we just need to repurpose him from askubuntu to meetings ;-)
[16:04] <jono> haha
[16:04] <mainerror> Maybe a stupid question but why don't you guys just setup a meeting bot for this channel?
[16:04] <snap-l> That would explain why jcastro is a machine. ;)
[16:04] <jono> mainerror, I think we should do that
[16:04] <jcastro> yeah
[16:04] <jcastro> having it here makes sense
[16:05] <cjohnston> should be able to get AlanBell 's help to get a bot in here
[16:05] <jcastro> it's where everyone who would care about the meeting hangs out
[16:05]  * mainerror nods
[16:05] <jono> dpm, you here too?
[16:06] <dpm> jono, yep!
[16:06] <jono> ok let's do it here from now on
[16:06] <jono> so let's kick off with some roundtables
[16:06] <jono> dholbach, want to get us started
[16:06] <dholbach> sure
[16:06] <dholbach> • Pre-UDS: published accomplishment trophy ideas, interviewed people for Harvest ideas.
[16:06] <dholbach> • helped with the creation of Ubuntu IRC Community survey
[16:06] <dholbach> • set up ubuntudev google+ page
[16:06] <dholbach> • did job interview with mhall :)
[16:06] <dholbach> • CC: set up 'team catch-up' schedule for meetings, participated in CC meeting, LoCo Council election, bits and pieces here and there.
[16:06] <dholbach> • Dev Advisory Board: drafted reachout mails, started work on team organisation, had a quick call with Christophe about it.
[16:06] <dholbach> • Recognising Dev contributions: improved docs WRT thanking/recommending your peers, blogged about and on UCADay
[16:06] <dholbach> • Patch Pilot: piloted myself, created patch pilot schedule for Nov/Dec.
[16:06] <dholbach> • admin: filed expenses, booked Budapest flights, UDS Survey
[16:07] <dholbach> • blueprints: milestoned work items for precise, mailed work item assignees, dealt with a couple low-hanging fruit work-items
[16:07] <dholbach> • Asked for ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c to be merged into ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c
[16:07] <dholbach> • Weekly dev updates: conversations with News team, figure out submission process, got 2 dev updates out the door, set up initial team and organisation.
[16:07] <dholbach> • Catch-up Call.
[16:07] <dholbach> ---
[16:07] <dholbach> and I have one agenda item
[16:08] <AlanBell> meetingology: hello
[16:08] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: "hello" is not a valid command.
[16:08] <jono> cool, thanks, Daniel
[16:09] <jono> any questions for dholbach?
[16:09]  * dholbach curtseys
[16:10] <jono> cool, no questions
[16:10] <jono> jcastro, shoot
[16:10] <AlanBell> want to start the bot?
[16:11] <jcastro> yeah
[16:11] <jono> sure
[16:11] <jcastro> start the bot
[16:11] <jono> thanks AlanBell
[16:11] <AlanBell> #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Team
[16:11] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 22 16:11:21 2011 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[16:11] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[16:11] <AlanBell> #chair jcastro jono
[16:11] <meetingology> Current chairs: AlanBell jcastro jono
[16:11] <jcastro> ok do I need to do anything?
[16:11] <dpm> shall we let dholbach tell about his actions again, for the benefit of the logs?
[16:11] <AlanBell> #topic dholbach update
[16:11] <jono> sure
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Pre-UDS: published accomplishment trophy ideas, interviewed people for Harvest ideas.
[16:12] <dholbach>  • helped with the creation of Ubuntu IRC Community survey
[16:12] <dholbach>  • set up ubuntudev google+ page
[16:12] <dholbach>  • did job interview with mhall :)
[16:12] <dholbach>  • CC: set up 'team catch-up' schedule for meetings, participated in CC meeting, LoCo Council election, bits and pieces here and there.
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Dev Advisory Board: drafted reachout mails, started work on team organisation, had a quick call with Christophe about it.
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Recognising Dev contributions: improved docs WRT thanking/recommending your peers, blogged about and on UCADay
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Patch Pilot: piloted myself, created patch pilot schedule for Nov/Dec.
[16:12] <dholbach>  • admin: filed expenses, booked Budapest flights, UDS Survey
[16:12] <dholbach>  • blueprints: milestoned work items for precise, mailed work item assignees, dealt with a couple low-hanging fruit work-items
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Asked for ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c to be merged into ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Weekly dev updates: conversations with News team, figure out submission process, got 2 dev updates out the door, set up initial team and organisation.
[16:12] <dholbach>  • Catch-up Call.
[16:12] <dholbach> ---
[16:12] <dholbach> and I have one agenda item
[16:13] <jcastro> are you posting your agenda item?
[16:13] <jcastro> or is it my turn?
[16:14] <jono> jcastro, shoot
[16:14] <jcastro> ok
[16:14] <jcastro> - Clean up blueprints, all done. Work can begin on WI syncage, that to be done this week.
[16:14] <AlanBell> #topic jcastro update
[16:14] <jcastro> the line adjusts on Friday btw.
[16:14] <jcastro> so get your mountain in order
[16:14] <jcastro> - Gave Nick access to cloud.ubuntu.com so we can start doc clean up
[16:14] <dholbach> ah, nice
[16:14] <jcastro> - Membership recommendation for Andrea
[16:14] <jcastro> - Attended Cloud Camp Silicon Valley
[16:14] <jcastro> cloud camp was fun
[16:14] <jcastro> but I am not sure how valuable they are
[16:15] <jcastro> in the future we'll probably concentrate more on charm schools at larger events
[16:15] <jcastro> yes, it's called charm school
[16:15] <jcastro> - Charm growth has started, working on 5 incoming people
[16:15] <jcastro> thinkupapp charm is nearly done
[16:15] <jcastro> this will be nice
[16:15] <jcastro> so everyone will be able to just snag their social data and have a copy on their own servers
[16:15] <jcastro> I suspect that might be popular. :)
[16:15] <jcastro> - james_w found a problem with my workflow today, his work was being ignored, fixing this today with a vengeance.
[16:16] <jcastro> basically we were ignoring the new-charm tag and only paying attention to the entire pile
[16:16] <jcastro> which in hindsight is stupid
[16:16] <jono> haha
[16:16] <jcastro> - Setting up a Charm School at SCaLE with Ilan and Clint. We've submitted a talk, want to do a lightning talk on devops day, and the charm school makes for a busy weekend.
[16:16] <jcastro> - Working on the creative brief for the design web team for cloud.ubuntu.com. (Kill me)
[16:16] <jcastro> - More details in my Trello boards for each area: (this is synced with my work items): http://goo.gl/n4or5 http://goo.gl/WXsY7 http://goo.gl/2y1IQ if you care about that.
[16:16] <jcastro> I have no agenda items
[16:16] <jcastro> \o/
[16:16] <dholbach> automatically synced?
[16:17] <dholbach> which Nick? :)
[16:17] <jcastro> no
[16:17] <jcastro> I sync manually with Nick
[16:17] <jcastro> nick is unscriptable, he has no API
[16:17] <dholbach> I'm not quite sure I understand
[16:18] <dholbach> you said "Gave Nick access to cloud.ubuntu.com so we can start doc clean up"
[16:18] <jcastro> oh right
[16:18] <jcastro> so at the sessions
[16:18] <dholbach> I was assuming that Nick was a person :)
[16:18] <jcastro> we sliced up chunks of the docs on cloud.ubuntu.com
[16:18] <jcastro> and each person is responsible for one section
[16:18] <jcastro> and it hasn't been touched in a while so he was keen to go in there and fix a bunch of stuff
[16:18] <dholbach> ah cool
[16:18] <dholbach> so that's Nick Barcet?
[16:18] <jcastro> yeah
[16:19] <dholbach> ok, got it
[16:19] <dpm> I do have a "name" question too
[16:19] <dpm> which Andrea on Membership recommendation for Andrea?
[16:19] <jcastro> Grandi
[16:19] <dpm> ok
[16:19] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaGrandi
[16:19] <jcastro> unity 2d, Qt, various things
[16:19] <jono> :-)
[16:20] <jcastro> you know, the italian DX team
[16:20] <dpm> :)
[16:20] <dholbach> the DX branch of the mafia
[16:20] <jono> ok cool
[16:20] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[16:20] <jono> the man, with the plan...dpm!
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[16:21]  * AlanBell reminds jono that he can do #topic dpm update
[16:21] <dpm> ok, here I go
[16:21] <jono> #topic dpm notes
[16:21] <dpm> #topic dpm update
[16:21] <dpm> • Took 2 days off last week
[16:21] <jono> AlanBell, :-)
[16:21] <dpm> • Chat with dholbach on how to better mesage /the _app_ developer and _platform_ developer communities, and how to better explain platform development on d.u.c
[16:21]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[16:21] <dpm> ;-)
[16:22] <jono> get a room
[16:22] <jono> lol
[16:22] <jono> :-)
[16:22] <dpm> • Created the G+ and Facebook Ubuntu App Developer pages (subscribe/like them! :)
[16:22] <dpm>     * http://goo.gl/STx1G
[16:23] <dpm>     * http://www.facebook.com/ubuntuappdev
[16:23] <dpm> • Worked on a list of app developer events to have Ubuntu presence on with jpugh
[16:24] <dpm> (not public atm, as it contains sponsorship info -ie Canonical sponsoring events-)
[16:24] <dpm> • Conversations with Simplified Chinese translators to clarify how uploads are done for the Complete Simplified Chinese Desktop goal
[16:24] <dpm> • Scheduled regular translation calls with translations leaders
[16:25] <dpm> • Finished off blueprint setup
[16:25] <dpm> And I think that was me for this week's relevant stuff
[16:26] <jono> thanks, dpm
[16:26] <jono> any questions for dpm?
[16:26] <dholbach> dpm, we should have a chat again about app vs. platform developer communities
[16:26] <dholbach> but no, no questions :)
[16:27] <jcastro> none here
[16:27] <jcastro> next victim!
[16:27] <cprofitt> may I ask?
[16:27] <jono> of course!
[16:27] <jono> this is a community meeting too :-)
[16:27] <cprofitt> when you say event sponsoring -- do you mean like UDS or do you mean other technical events?
[16:27] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, we still have to see what message we put exactly on d.u.c
[16:27] <dpm> cprofitt, good question
[16:28] <dpm> I mean Canonical being a gold/platinun/blahblah sponsor for a particular conference
[16:28]  * cprofitt nods
[16:28] <dpm> which generally means contributing with some money to a conference
[16:28] <cprofitt> good to hear I have been looking for that for a long time. I will keep my eyes open for when the information becomes public
[16:29] <dpm> we don't want this info to be public while we're still considering which events to sponsor
[16:29] <jono> ok
[16:29] <cprofitt> is there a process to solicit community input on events? or what type of events?
[16:29] <jono> any more questions for dpm?
[16:29] <jono> there is one :-)
[16:29] <dpm> :)
[16:30] <dpm> cprofitt, the list we've been working on is specific to app-developer-related conferences
[16:30]  * cprofitt nods
[16:30] <dpm> cprofitt, there is no formal process to solicit community input, but if you know of any conference on that topic, feel free to tell me :)
[16:31] <dpm> and I'll add it to the list
[16:31] <cprofitt> dpm - after the meeting lets talk about the app-developer stuff... I have an idea that may be of interest
[16:31] <dpm> cprofitt, excelent :)
[16:32] <dpm> excellent, that is
[16:32] <jono> cool
[16:32] <jono> ok, I will go next
[16:32] <jono> #topic jono roundtable
[16:32] <jono>  * Not as much for me as I have taken a bunch of days off work since UDS to work on the book.
[16:32] <jono>  * Reviewed my call schedule, adding a few regular calls after discussions at UDS.
[16:32] <jono> I need to trim this down though
[16:33] <jono> I worry I am going to grow a phone out the side of my head
[16:33] <jono>  * Went to a few events: Cloud Expo and Community Managers meeting a PayPal.
[16:33] <jono>  * Created G+ pages across our range of brands.
[16:33] <jono> Ubuntu, Canonical, Ubuntu Advantage, Launchpad etc...
[16:34] <jono>  * Working with the team to finalize the 12.04 plan - everything is now in place - see http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/22/canonical-community-team-12-04-plans/ for more details
[16:34] <jono>  * Gathered and released UDS proceedings - see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/11/17/12-04-ubuntu-developer-summit-proceedings/ for details
[16:35] <doctormon> Ubuntu Advantage?
[16:35] <dholbach> doctormon, http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage
[16:35] <jono> doctormon, yeah, it is an enterprise service
[16:35] <jono> thanks dholbach
[16:35] <jono>  * Finalized the role for Michael Hall and got the position filled. He starts in 2012. Woo mhall119!
[16:36] <dholbach> :-)
[16:36] <jono>  * Bunch of job interviews for the QA position.
[16:36] <doctormon> Ah good, Ubuntu Enterprise. (I always thought the advantage to Ubuntu was always it's community ;-))
[16:36] <alourie> it is
[16:36] <jono> doctormon, well, it is, but an Enterprise doesn't care about community, they care about support
[16:37] <jono> you know how some corpspeak is needed in that world :-)
[16:37] <snap-l> They want a name for the throat to choke
[16:37] <jono> yup
[16:37] <alourie> and someone to blame
[16:37] <jono>  * Reviewing UDS notes and following up people on actions.
[16:38] <jono>  * Starting putting together and releasing a series of blog entries to summarize work and focus after UDS.
[16:38] <jono>  * Working with ISD to get the Canonical blog service improved to encourage more staff to blog publicly.
[16:38] <jono> and finally...
[16:38] <jono>  * Catching up with email.
[16:38] <jono> any questions for me?
[16:38] <mainerror> jono:  On the Ubuntu Advantage site, why do they have fancy orange Ubuntu brand logo on white background mugs and we don't?
[16:38] <alourie> jono: are you sure you took time off? ;-)
[16:39] <jono> mainerror, those mugs are in the Canonical office
[16:39] <jono> alourie, heh
[16:39] <jono> any questions for me?
[16:40] <mainerror> jono: What book are you writing?
[16:40] <snap-l> Jono: Average velocity of unladen swallows? :)
[16:40] <jono> mainerror, The Art of Community second edition
[16:40] <mainerror> Nice.
[16:40] <jono> http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/
[16:41] <jono> it is available in print and under a Creative Commons license too :-)
[16:41] <alourie> and it's an awesome book
[16:41] <jono> any more questions?
[16:41] <jono> thanks alourie!
[16:41]  * alourie is in the middle of it right now
[16:41] <jono> ok, dholbach you have an agenda item?
[16:41] <dholbach> yes, I think we still need to pick dates for UDW, UGJ, UADW and UOW
[16:42] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:42] <dholbach> for UDW I'd suggest the week of 2nd Feb (close to Feature Freeze and with some time for myself to pester people at the Rally)
[16:42] <jono> ok, let me load the cal
[16:43] <dholbach> for UGJ I'd suggest the weekend after 1st March (after Beta 1 release)
[16:43] <jono> lets go one at a time
[16:43] <jono> ok for UDW
[16:43] <jono> WB 13th Feb?
[16:44] <dholbach> I'm not sure I understand?
[16:44] <jono> let us review each event one at a time
[16:44] <dholbach> sure
[16:44] <jono> so the second week of Feb is week begging 13th Feb
[16:44] <dholbach> I just didn't understand "WB 13th Feb?"
[16:44] <jono> WB = Week Beginning
[16:44] <dholbach> ah sorry
[16:44] <jono> :-)
[16:44] <dholbach> no, I meant the week in which the 2nd of February falls
[16:45] <dholbach> so two weeks before Feature Freeze
[16:45] <jono> the 2nd Feb is a Sun
[16:45] <dholbach> so still before we start the bug fixing phase, but not in the crazy week of FF itself
[16:45] <jono> oh no
[16:45] <jono> I see
[16:46] <jono> dholbach, ok, I will add them to the Community Team cal
[16:46] <jono> can you add them to the Fridge Cal?
[16:46] <jono> UDW - 30th Jan - 3rd Feb
[16:46] <dholbach> I have to check again, but yeah
[16:46] <jono> cool
[16:47] <jono> UGJ - 2 - 4 Mar
[16:47] <dholbach> great
[16:47] <jono> dpm, when do you want to do UADW?
[16:48] <dpm> I'm thinking whether it'd be best doing it after Beta 2 or in between betas
[16:48] <jono> dpm, I think closer to release makes sense
[16:48] <jono> few app devs if any will use an Ubuntu Beta
[16:49] <dpm> then the next milestone is RC
[16:49] <alourie> is it necessary do it before the release?
[16:50] <dholbach> alourie, there's too much going on immediately after the release (usually UOW and UDS, etc.) - which I think is the reason why we always had it shortly before the release
[16:50] <dpm> alourie, we've got UDS preparation and UOW after the release
[16:50] <alourie> well
[16:50] <jono> dpm, let's do it the week before release
[16:50] <alourie> ok
[16:51] <dpm> jono, ok, 9-13 Apr, then
[16:51] <dpm> oh, wrong date, sorry
[16:52] <dpm> 16-20th April
[16:53] <jono> dpm, cool
[16:53] <jono> can you add that to the fridge cal?
[16:53] <dpm> sure
[16:53] <jono> thanks!
[16:53] <jcastro> hmm
[16:54] <jcastro> is it possible to subscribe to just a tag in launchpad?
[16:54] <jono> jcastro, not sure
[16:54] <dholbach> jcastro, I'm not sure, but bdmurray will know :)
[16:54] <jono> any more agenda items?
[16:54] <jono> we have 6m left
[16:54] <dholbach> UOW the week after the release?
[16:54] <jono> dholbach, yup
[16:54] <dpm> jcastro, I think it is now
[16:55] <dpm> there was a longstanding bug about it, and I seem to remember it was fixed some months ago
[16:55] <jono> ok, if no other agenda items, let's wrap it
[16:55] <jono> thanks everyone!
[16:55] <dholbach> ok, so that's Apr 30 - May 4
[16:55] <jcastro> \o/
[16:55] <dholbach> I'll add it
[16:55] <dpm> jcastro, bug 151129
[16:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 151129 in launchpad "Can't subscribe to a tag" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151129
[16:55] <dpm> cheers!
[16:55] <alourie> yea!
[16:56] <jcastro> ok so the events are on the calendar?
[16:56] <jono> dpm, give me a few mins, and then will call you
[16:56] <dpm> jono, cool
[16:56] <alourie> wow, this is refreshing to have you guys meeting in RT
[16:56] <jono> jcastro, yuo
[16:56] <jono> yup
[16:56] <alourie> it's much better this way
[16:56] <jcastro> akgraner: ^^
[16:56] <jcastro> ok, the dates were all we needed
[16:56] <jono> alourie,  :-)
[16:57] <jcastro> akgraner: holla at me this afternoon and we'll sort the weeks
[16:57] <alourie> jono: well, it's more transparent and allows other people to participate, so it's good :-)
[16:57]  * alourie needs to keep quiet though
[16:58] <jono> alourie, :-)
[16:59] <jono> everyone is welcome to take part
[16:59] <alourie> jono: sure, but this way makes it easier
[16:59] <akgraner> jcastro, will do
[17:00] <jono> cool
[17:00] <jono> dpm, lets do skype
[17:00] <jono> my webcam is on the blink
[17:01]  * alourie has to take care a child
[17:01] <alourie> thank you guys, you rock!
[17:01] <dpm> jono, my skype is not working. I cannot send sound. Mumble, or G+ without image?
[17:02] <jono> dpm, ok one sec
[17:02] <alourie> cheers
[17:04] <dholbach> jono, #endmeeting
[17:05] <jono> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 22 17:05:05 2011 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2011/ubuntu-community-team.2011-11-22-16.11.moin.txt
[17:06] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[17:10] <dholbach> jcastro, http://micknelson.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/a-generic-juju-charm-for-django-apps/ looks interesting
[17:10] <jcastro> yep
[17:10] <jcastro> already talking about it
[17:10] <jcastro> this should make it easy to deploy lots of djangoish things
[17:10] <dholbach> noodles rocks
[17:18] <cjohnston> that means that jcastro can develop and deploy summit
[17:18] <jcastro> or I can kill myself
[17:22] <akgraner> jcastro - reading the scrollback now
[17:24] <dholbach> alright my friends - it's time to call it a day over here
[17:24] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:24] <dholbach> HUGS
[17:25] <cprofitt> cya dholbach
[17:38] <jcastro> <--- lunching
[18:20] <dpm> ok, calling it a day here. See you all tomorrow!
[18:23] <jcastro> jono: the dates to all the weeks are wrong
[18:23] <jcastro> they're 3 days now, and in the middle of the week
[18:24] <jono> yeah, I remember you saying it was three days but I just added them to show which week it was
[18:24] <jono> can you go and update them?
[18:24] <jcastro> where?
[18:24] <jcastro> in the calendar?
[18:29] <jcastro> ok fixed
[18:31] <bkerensa> jono: When we get a final date for the Debian/Ubuntu Local Jam up here any chance you might plug it?
[18:31] <jono> bkerensa, sure
[18:40] <cprofitt> jono: not sure if this is needed, but I marked this pending approval
[18:40] <cprofitt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement
[18:40] <cprofitt> does it need to be 'approved'?
[18:44] <jono> cprofitt, not really, just keep the BP up to date
[18:44] <jono> :-)
[18:44] <jono> and then subscribers will see progress
[18:46] <jcastro> jono: a reshare of my juju charm school announcement by the ubuntu G+ account would be swell
[18:46] <jono> link me up
[18:46] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/103184405956510785630/posts
[18:46] <jcastro> whut, you are not following juju!
[18:46] <jcastro> for shame!
[18:52] <cprofitt> jcastro: man... you are making another thing I have to put on my tolearn list... :-)
[18:52] <jcastro> man dude
[18:52] <jcastro> jono: 15,280 followers of ubuntu!
[18:52] <jono> jcastro, done
[18:52] <jcastro> !!!!!
[18:52] <jono> jcastro, :-)
[18:52] <jcastro> I have like 500 more people following me on G+ than twitter
[18:53]  * cprofitt nods to jono about earlier question
[18:53] <jono> :-)
[18:53] <cprofitt> hadoop I expect to be followed
[18:54] <cprofitt> bunch of IT magazines are telling people that is the next 'big payday' for IT folks
[18:54] <cprofitt> watch the herd move :-)
[18:56] <snap-l> jcastro: New leader of Cloud City: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/jorge_calrissian.jpg
[18:56] <cprofitt> lol
[18:56] <cprofitt> snap-l: that is just... wrong!
[18:56] <jcastro> hahaha
[18:56] <jcastro> awesome
[18:57] <jcastro> my middle name is orLANDO
[18:57] <cprofitt> jorge wears and aubergine cape
[18:57] <snap-l> Too good
[18:57] <mainerror> lol
[18:58] <alourie> funny
[18:58] <jono> lol
[18:59] <alourie> I've been thinking
[18:59] <alourie> how come there's a Juju school
[18:59] <alourie> a dev genormous portal
[18:59] <alourie> and nothing like that for QA? :~/
[19:00] <alourie> QA school forever!
[19:00] <jcastro> Make one!
[19:00] <alourie> sure thing
[19:00] <alourie> that's an idea I had the other day
[19:02] <cprofitt> alourie: sounds like a good one... its about time the 'roadies' got some face time and exposure
[19:02] <alourie> yea!
[19:02] <cprofitt> being a sys admin I know what it is like to sit in the dark corners of the 'system' making sure it all works
[19:03] <alourie> being an integrator I know that too :-)
[19:03] <cprofitt> let me know what I can do to help as you move toward building that
[19:03] <alourie> and it's a very important issue with Ubuntu
[19:03] <alourie> cprofitt: gladly
[19:03] <cprofitt> its critical
[19:03] <alourie> I agree
[19:03] <cprofitt> I am working on the visible part of that with bdmurray right now
[19:04] <alourie> oh?
[19:04] <cprofitt> having people understand that process... I think many do not
[19:04] <cprofitt> it is more 'bug' related at this point
[19:04] <cprofitt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement
[19:04] <alourie> ah, the graph was yours?
[19:04] <cprofitt> but getting people to understand
[19:04] <cprofitt> the graph?
[19:04]  * alourie read it on someones blog
[19:04] <cprofitt> You mean the flow chart?
[19:05] <alourie> yes
[19:05] <cprofitt> The one I posted was actually from Fedora, but I am working on a end-user high level overview for Ubuntu
[19:05] <alourie> so it was you!
[19:05] <cprofitt> yep
[19:05] <alourie> phew, I though my memory does tricks on me
[19:05] <cprofitt> and the second draft got sent to bdmurray last night
[19:05] <alourie> oh great
[19:05] <cprofitt> I would like to do some similar stuff on the ISO testing, etc
[19:06] <alourie> and the general team structure
[19:06] <cprofitt> to really show people the 'whole' process at a high non-technical level
[19:06] <alourie> I find it strange that I just discovered that pgraner is the QA team leader
[19:06] <alourie> I shouldv'e known
[19:06] <alourie> thanks akgraner for that
[19:07] <cprofitt> yeah.
[19:07] <akgraner> alourie, oops  - I don't talk about *that* other graner very often...
[19:07] <cprofitt> I found out when he moved in to that position, but I think that was because I hang with a few QA type folks
[19:07] <cprofitt> lol
[19:08] <cprofitt> akgraner: :-)
[19:08] <alourie> akgraner: but you did the *interview*
[19:08] <akgraner> alourie, oh yeah see how easy it is to forget about that one
[19:09] <alourie> oh yea
[19:09] <akgraner> :-)
[19:10] <alourie> I find it strange that I had to find out about it that way
[19:10] <alourie> I think Ubuntu QA should be revitalized
[19:10] <alourie> get a facelift and PR :-)
[19:10] <cprofitt> It certainly needs some facetime
[19:11] <alourie> and attention
[19:13] <cprofitt> alourie: how is your son doing?
[19:13] <alourie> cprofitt: oh, thanks
[19:13] <alourie> he's now almost recovered
[19:13] <alourie> no fever, just moods :-)
[19:13] <cprofitt> good to hear... I always worry when mine are ill.
[19:14] <alourie> yea, but he's very cute even then
[19:14] <cprofitt> it was much worse when they could not communicate with my wife and I
[19:14] <alourie> yes! he was crying all the time, and we couldn't help him...didn't know how :-(
[19:14] <cprofitt> is he your first?
[19:14] <alourie> yes
[19:15] <cprofitt> I have three... I can tell you it gets easier
[19:15] <alourie> oh man
[19:15] <alourie> three
[19:15] <cprofitt> akgraner: will tell you after it gets easier it gets tougher
[19:15] <cprofitt> :-)
[19:15] <cprofitt> mine have not hit their teen years yet
[19:15] <alourie> I'm sure she would
[19:15] <cprofitt> 4,6,11
[19:15] <alourie> mine is 6 months 3 weeks
[19:16] <cprofitt> April 30th if I recall
[19:16] <alourie> yes! how do you remember that???
[19:16] <cprofitt> that post and your post about the weird RedHat interview are two that I recall
[19:16] <cprofitt> not sure why the date did.
[19:16] <alourie> ha :-)
[19:16] <alourie> yea, Red Hat
[19:17] <alourie> those guys are actually Qumranet company (the ones who did KVM)
[19:17] <cprofitt> the RedHat one did because I am a Windows Sys Admin that would love to get into a Linux environment
[19:17] <cprofitt> the only thought I had is it might have been like the job Microsoft offered me back in 1999
[19:17] <alourie> nah, I'm trying not to get MS work. It's hard though
[19:18] <cprofitt> they wanted me on a team that converted people... as a former Novell Sys Admin they wanted me to 'help' ease the pain Novell Admins were experiencing
[19:18] <cprofitt> yeah... I want to get out of the MS space too.
[19:18] <alourie> o-oh
[19:18] <cprofitt> I actually turn down side jobs now that involve Windows unless it is to convert them away from it
[19:18] <alourie> yes! for some reason, my Linux exp falls into "nice to have" category
[19:19]  * cprofitt nods
[19:19] <cprofitt> I use it a lot at work... but it doesn't seem to register with recruiters
[19:19] <alourie> hear this:
[19:19] <alourie> my last position as integrator was integrating Linux systems with Solaris systems.
[19:20] <alourie> one computer in the system is Windows - it handles the installation (!)
[19:20] <alourie> so my work environment? Windows.
[19:20] <cprofitt> I run OSSEC, Cacti, and Greenbone on Ubuntu at work... I use my Linux knowledge to help with the VMWare environment and running several 'applicances' (all running Linux under the black box)
[19:20] <cprofitt> I hear ya
[19:21] <cprofitt> I am in a smaller town as well... so not very much going on in the Linux space... jobs are almost all Windows based.
[19:21] <cprofitt> I can not complain too much... my current job allows me to run Ubuntu as my main OS and it allows me time to run a LUG, the Loco team and contribute to Ubuntu
[19:22] <alourie> and the pay?
[19:22] <cprofitt> not at work, but work hours are stable and normal unlike many tech jobs
[19:22] <cprofitt> 70K a year, plus good health insurance and a fixed benefit retirement plan
[19:22] <cprofitt> I pay for 10% of the health insurance
[19:24] <alourie> well, that's not too shabby
[19:25] <alourie> with kids, hours become the top priority
[19:25] <cprofitt> yeah... its not great, but not bad.
[19:25] <cprofitt> with the three kids I decided that the hours were a priority over getting a great paying interesting job
[19:26] <cprofitt> mind you... I would jump ship in a heartbeat if I found a good paying interesting job... Windows bores me to tears.
[19:27] <cprofitt> other than open source one of my passions in information security, but the only jobs I have seen are in Virginia
[19:28] <cprofitt> great pay... outstanding in some cases, but the jobs require too much travel
[19:28] <alourie> is it far from you?
[19:28] <alourie> ah
[19:29] <alourie> I'd go with 25% travel, more than that could be insane
[19:29] <cprofitt> Virginia would require relocation. I am in New York State (Rochester) so about 387 miles away
[19:29] <alourie> wow, that's far
[19:29] <cprofitt> Yeah... no way to do it without relocation
[19:30] <cprofitt> then add that 50% of it woudl involve travel
[19:30] <alourie> insane
[19:30] <cprofitt> and much of the travel would be away from home for 1wk at a time
[19:30] <cprofitt> its a young man's job IMHO
[19:30] <cprofitt> though I would love the work
[19:30] <alourie> this requires a single person...
[19:30] <cprofitt> yep
[19:31] <cprofitt> The Microsoft job was worse
[19:31] <cprofitt> it was 90% travel
[19:31] <cprofitt> one of the guys actually told me to not bother getting an apartment there... just get a PO box
[19:31] <cprofitt> that was crazy
[19:31] <alourie> wow
[19:32] <cprofitt> lucky for me I turned it down... 6 months later we found out about my first daughter
[19:32] <cprofitt> I would have had to quit
[19:32] <alourie> oh dear
[19:33] <alourie> all this makes me wishing to start my own business
[19:34] <cprofitt> I would be too nervous to do that...
[19:34] <alourie> why?
[19:36] <cprofitt> fear of failure... without kids I would take the risk
[19:36] <alourie> oh
[19:36] <alourie> yea
[19:36] <cprofitt> but with kids... that is too great a fear
[19:36] <cprofitt> my grandfather and father both ran their own businesses
[19:36] <cprofitt> but I got to see the 'lean' times... and it tore them apart
[19:37] <alourie> you've got to admire them though
[19:38] <alourie> btw, starting a business doesn't mean leaving day job
[19:42] <cprofitt> I do admire them
[19:42] <cprofitt> I do have a business on the side...
[19:42] <alourie> aha!
[19:42] <cprofitt> made some good money some years
[19:43] <cprofitt> I think the best was $12K extra
[19:43] <alourie> wow!
[19:43] <alourie> not that bad
[19:43] <cprofitt> yeah... most years its 2-3K extra
[19:43] <alourie> does it take a lot of time?
[19:43] <cprofitt> but with the kids I do not put a lot of time in on it
[19:43] <alourie> :-)
[19:44]  * alourie thinks him and cprofitt should stop typing and move to telepathy
[19:44] <cprofitt> lol
[19:44] <cprofitt> the 2-3K is about 4 extra hours a month
[19:44] <alourie> that's good though
[19:44] <cprofitt> yeah
[19:44] <cprofitt> I charge $70/hour for the outside work
[19:46] <alourie> what kind of work do you do?
[19:47] <cprofitt> moslty sys admin type stuff... recovering data from servers, migrating data between old machine and new machine, but the best year I did a custom piece of software
[19:47] <alourie> oh...programming?
[19:47] <cprofitt> Yeah... I used to do .net programming C#/ASP.net
[19:48] <alourie> ok
[19:48] <alourie> never touched that stuff
[19:48] <cprofitt> the custom app was a customer relations / job tracking application
[19:48] <alourie> nice
[19:48] <cprofitt> now I am slowly trying to learn Python
[19:48] <alourie> why slowly?
[19:48] <cprofitt> the majority of the customer relations app was the database backend and understanding their workflow
[19:49] <cprofitt> slowly -- I learned .net when I had no kids...
[19:49] <cprofitt> python I am trying to learn with 3 kids
[19:49] <alourie> wow, half a year ago I wouldn't understand what you're talking about
[19:50] <alourie> now I do
[19:50] <alourie> get youself a project at work that /must/ be done in python - it will help :-)
[19:51] <cprofitt> before I had kids I had no concept of how much time kids take away from the free time pool either
[19:51] <cprofitt> I am working with the loco directory right now
[19:51] <cprofitt> so Python and Django I beleive
[19:51] <alourie> great
[19:52] <cprofitt> yeah... it feels good to do it
[19:52] <alourie> I started writing a web game just to learn python. And Django
[19:52] <cprofitt> when I first got involved it was my goal, but I found a realtively weak loco community and dedicated time to strengthening that
[19:52] <alourie> got to some point ok, now I don't have time for it
[19:54] <alourie> cprofitt: sorry to leave the conversation, but I must go. It's already quite late here
[19:54] <alourie> I suggest to catch up next time about that QA school thingie
[19:58] <cprofitt> have a good one alourie
[19:58] <cprofitt> talk with you later
[20:09] <pleia2> cjohnston: any idea why the juju charm school isn't going to be in -classroom?
[20:09] <pleia2> they'd get a bigger audience that way
[20:10] <pleia2> or jcastro ^^
[20:10] <cjohnston> pleia2: no idea? jcastro ?
[20:11] <jcastro> I wanted in #juju so people can idle there
[20:17] <cjohnston> its not ubuntu-juju?
[20:17] <jcastro> no
[20:25] <cprofitt> gotta run folks... see you after dinner.
[20:42] <jcastro> test test
[20:53] <greg-g> pass pass
[20:54] <akgraner> jcastro do you have a few now?
[20:55] <jcastro> yeah
[20:55] <jcastro> akgraner: ok so I added the dates to the trello
[20:55] <akgraner> yep saw that
[21:00] <akgraner> jcastro,  so the game plan is 30 minute sessions for UOW right?
[21:01] <akgraner> and fewer hours?
[21:01] <jcastro> yeah
[21:01] <jcastro> it's in the spec iirc
[21:01] <akgraner> ok - I missed that session and did subscribe to the BP  :-/
[21:01] <akgraner> sorry
[21:01] <akgraner> but I'll find it and look
[21:01] <akgraner> thanks!
[21:02] <akgraner> just needing pointed in the right direction
[21:02] <akgraner> needed
[21:02] <akgraner> dang I can't type
[21:03] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks!
[21:03] <jcastro> wait
[21:03] <jcastro> I could have sworn, you were there.
[21:05] <akgraner> nope
[21:05] <akgraner> pleia2, told me about it
[21:07] <akgraner> made a note to circle back around with you but sadly it didn't happen :-/
[21:07] <akgraner> but we're good now
[21:10] <akgraner> or rather I'm good :-)  you're like jcastro so you're awesome regardless....
[21:19] <jcastro> jono: so like you could blog about guitars and people would still leave comments about unity.
[21:19] <jono> jcastro, srsly
[21:20] <jcastro> I tell that to craig all the time
[21:20] <snap-l> jono: Word association time:
[21:20] <jcastro> "If you are using mint then you don't need to talk to me NOW DO YOU."
[21:20] <jono> lol
[21:20] <jcastro> just kidding, craig is still with us.
[21:21] <snap-l> Puppies (You're killing Linux with Ubuntu)
[21:21] <jono> heh
[21:21] <snap-l> Horseradish (You're killing Linux with Ubuntu)
[21:21] <jono> it's funny how people think that using Mint is an objection to Ubuntu...it is Free Software, so that is awesome
[21:21] <snap-l> Fork (UNITY IS TEH DESTROIER OF WURLDS)
[21:21] <jono> if people move to a Mac or Windows, that is when I get bent out of shape
[21:21] <jcastro> hey, we got rick_h back from arch, anything is possible
[21:22] <snap-l> All I have to say is if you want to move back to Mac, be my guest
[21:22] <snap-l> You're a real sadist if you use Macports
[21:22] <jcastro> I unfriend people who move to macs.
[21:22] <snap-l> it's like the ultimate punishment
[21:22] <jcastro> Jill was like "ask Andrew and ken for their new addresses so we can send them xmas cards."
[21:22] <jcastro> I was like "they're off the list."
[21:22] <snap-l> hah
[21:23] <jcastro> though that new macbook air looks sooooooo nice.
[21:23] <jcastro> but asus has like an exact clone of it now, heh
[21:23] <snap-l> Dude, it's a computer and a bread knife
[21:23] <snap-l> What's not to love?
[21:23] <jcastro> I am eyeballing the new Asus Transformer
[21:24] <jcastro> the Prime
[21:24] <jcastro> yeah they really call it that
[21:24] <snap-l> I thought there was some ubu-trouble with the Transformer
[21:28] <jcastro> not sure
[21:28] <jcastro> It would be a tablet for me, I have a notebook already
[21:28] <jcastro> though I might donate a PC and use my laptop for my new "desktop PC" and get an X120
[21:28] <jcastro> snap-l: I really miss that form factor
[21:29] <snap-l> jcastro: I shouldn't say that it works like a charm now, should I? :)
[21:29] <jcastro> snap-l: You truly belong with us here in the clouds
[21:30] <jcastro> I'm lando calrissian, I'm the administrator of this facility
[21:30] <snap-l> Send down a ladder
[21:30] <snap-l> Ready to step up
[21:30] <snap-l> I'll even shave my head ala Lobot
[21:42] <jono> man, I love slayer
[21:42] <jono> they never stop being awesome
[21:42] <jono> time for a coffee, brb
[21:46] <jcastro> they never stop being the same song over and over and over and over
[21:48] <snap-l> jcastro: whathehellwhydoyousaythatslayerdoesmorethanjustthesamesongover and over and OOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRR
[21:48] <snap-l> OOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR
[21:48] <jcastro> I could play angel of death over and over
[21:48] <jcastro> that's like one of the best riffs of all time
[21:51] <jono> I love them
[21:51] <jono> you are right though, it all sounds like slayer
[21:51] <snap-l> If I want stuff that I can't play without practicing, I'll listen to Meshuggah
[21:51] <snap-l> If I want a nice pair of metal loafers, I'll listen to Slayer.
[21:52] <snap-l> http://outloud.fm/openmetalcast
[21:52] <jcastro> cjohnston: hey
[21:52] <jcastro> cjohnston: how do tags work on etherpad
[21:53] <jcastro> if I mark something #blah
[21:53] <jcastro> how do I get an index of #blah pages?
[21:53] <jcastro> snap-l: don't laugh at me but .... I am on a big def leppard kick.
[21:53] <jcastro> there, I said it.
[21:55] <technoviking> jcastro: Gunter glieben glauchen globen
[21:55] <snap-l> jcastro: Nothing wrong with that.
[21:56] <snap-l> jcastro: http://outloud.fm/openmetalcast
[21:56] <jcastro> yeah let's rock this
[22:14] <cjohnston> uggh.. LC has taken over the summit page :-(
[22:14] <cjohnston> jcastro: thats one of the things.. creating the ability to run multiple DIFFERENT summits
[22:15] <cjohnston> jcastro: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/search?query=topic
[22:15] <jcastro> right
[22:15] <jcastro> it's not returning anything though
[22:15] <cjohnston> dunno
[22:15] <cjohnston> etherpad isnt my baby
[22:15] <cjohnston> :-/
[22:15] <cjohnston> AlanBell / Daviey ^
[22:21] <jcastro> <<<---- EOD
[22:21] <cjohnston> g'nite
[22:22] <cjohnston> anyone know if its possible to remove google chat from the gmail page?
[22:26] <pleia2> if you click on the chat bubble icon at the bottom it goes away
[22:27] <cjohnston> hmm.. i dont see a chat bubble icon
[22:27] <pleia2> should be black and at the bottom of the screen
[22:28] <pleia2> assuming you're using new gmail layout
[22:28] <cjohnston> i am
[22:28] <AlanBell> jcastro: cjohnston yeah, that is sadly broken and was always in that version of etherpad :(
[22:28] <jcastro> ok, so maybe etherpad-lite works
[22:29] <pleia2> hm, maybe only black in my theme
[22:29] <AlanBell> dunno if etherpad lite has hashtag searching, I will go check
[22:29] <jono> jcastro, why isn't http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/13164681435/our-first-charm-school on cloud.ubuntu.com ?
[22:29] <jcastro> jono: it is
[22:30] <jcastro> jono: mark did it on cloud, I did it on planet
[22:30] <jono> ahhh ok
[22:30] <jono> cool
[22:30] <jcastro> because I can't figure out how to unspam planet with cloud.u.c
[22:30] <jono> but hand on, cloud.ubuntu.com is posted to planet
[22:30] <jcastro> yeah, his announcement is different and did it a while after mine
[22:30] <jono> jcastro, as I mentioned the other day, you should create a planet category feed for planet, and then all c.u.c goes to planet
[22:30] <jcastro> I know
[22:31] <jcastro> but the thing is all custom
[22:31] <jono> what is custom?
[22:31] <cjohnston> pleia2: if i found what i think i found, i had to switch to dark for a minute
[22:31] <jcastro> and I can't get ahold of daker
[22:31] <cjohnston> ty
[22:31] <jcastro> the feed for cloud.u.c
[22:31] <jono> jcastro, if dakar has gone AWOL, ask someone internally to fix it
[22:31] <jcastro> cloud.u.c only posts the "featured"  tag
[22:31] <jcastro> I know
[22:31] <jcastro> I am trying
[22:31] <jcastro> but I had to file RTs, etc.
[22:32] <cjohnston> i believe its the middle of the night where daker is
[22:32] <jcastro> it's in progress but the thing is kind of a mess with the tags, etc.
[22:32] <jono> what do you mean a mess with tags?
[22:32] <jcastro> you need to post it with "featured" to go on cloud.u.c
[22:32] <jcastro> and planet for it to go on planet.
[22:33] <jcastro> but there's no way to say "post this person's blog posts on cloud, unless they are on planet, then don't."
[22:33] <jono> no, this is how we set it up:
[22:34] <jono>  * everyone has a `cloud` category and `planet` category feed for their blog
[22:34] <jono> all your cloud posts are in the `cloud` category which goes to c.u.c and is then syndicated to planet
[22:34] <jono> all other posts are just in the `planet` category
[22:34] <jcastro> but it doesn't do that
[22:34] <jcastro> that's what I am trying to change
[22:34] <jono> jcastro, that is how Ahmed set it up
[22:34] <jono> it should work like that
[22:35] <jcastro> if you post and tag it "cloud" it doesn't go onto cloud.ubuntu.com
[22:35] <jono> ok, can I leave this with you to resolve?
[22:35] <jcastro> yes, I am in the process of doing it
[22:35] <cjohnston> pleia2: ty
[22:35] <jono> well obviously the feeds would need updating to point to a cloud feed
[22:35] <jcastro> we're basically getting rid of the "featured" tag
[22:35] <jono> I suspect some of the feeds were not updated
[22:35] <jono> yup
[22:35] <jcastro> whichd doesn't make sense
[22:35] <jono> thanks jcastro
[22:35] <jcastro> no, they're all updated
[22:35] <jcastro> I did all that
[22:35] <jcastro> all I need to do is fix the custom php thing, which I need IS to do
[22:36] <jcastro> because it's doing some custom thing I wasn't aware of and had to figure out
[22:36] <jono> what needs to be fixed?
[22:36] <jono> this should be as simple as just pointing a set of cloud category feeds to c.u.c
[22:36] <jono> are you saying there is another step?
[22:36] <jcastro> it isn't
[22:36] <jcastro> it's not normall wordpress
[22:36] <jcastro> the front page is like a custom php page
[22:36] <jono> *sigh*, I was pretty explicit with Ahmed about how this should have worked
[22:37] <jcastro> that says "put things in the featured tag on the front page"
[22:37] <jono> oh I see
[22:37] <jcastro> I am changing that to just be "cloud"
[22:37] <jono> thanks
[22:37] <jcastro> which is what it's supposed to be
[22:37] <jcastro> it's like some custom theme thing
[22:37] <jono> please don't block on dakar, ask ISD to help if needed
[22:37] <jono> I hear we have someone on the inside for a few weeks ;-)
[22:38] <jcastro> well, we couldn't figure out which file it was in until today
[22:38] <cjohnston> jcastro: is this an easy fix or somethign complicated?
[22:39] <jcastro> it's an easy fix
[22:39] <jcastro> guys, I'm not an idiot
[22:39] <cjohnston> i was going to offer assistance.. but if it was comlpicated i dont have time right now
[22:39] <jcastro> it's all custom themes, with multiple version dumped into wp and I don't have any access to the filesystem and editing is locked down in the thing
[22:39] <cjohnston> gotcha
[22:40] <jono> jcastro, no one is suggesting you are an idiot
[22:45] <jcastro> anyway, it's all in the spec
[22:45] <jcastro> it doesn't work how people think it works
[22:45] <jcastro> when I am done cleaning out the tags I will post "you should use these tags" to the proper lists.
[22:46] <jono> thanks