[06:43] aloha [07:09] hey czajkowski [07:14] Good Evening [07:39] * nigelb hugs jussi [07:39] jussi: Have fun with the baby stuff :) [07:39] jussi: Yeah were going to miss you much :D [07:56] good morning [07:57] * alourie feels depressed and demotivated [07:58] alourie: whats up? [07:59] jussi: ah, one part of my life is not working out as I want it to [08:00] it kills all the motivation to engage in stuff [08:03] good morning [08:04] hi dholbach [08:04] hi alourie [08:14] * alourie wants to be an oligarch but one who's not hunted by own country's government [08:16] morning folks [08:16] I am going to head to bed [08:16] have a wonderful day :-) [08:42] alourie: hello [09:16] doctormon: hi [09:17] alourie: Do you feel unmotivated? [09:17] doctormon: yes [09:17] that's the result of the depression :-) [09:17] alourie: What do you want to do? [09:17] doctormon: well, everything? [09:18] alourie: First rule of depression and procrastination - never beat yourself up for not achieving the impossible. [09:19] If your goals are impossible, then it's better to understand and find new goals, maybe smaller parts or letting go things that aren't so important. [09:19] doctormon: hi! [09:19] or break up your big goals into small actually achievable steps [09:19] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/mozilla_aims_to_iconize_skills_with_standardized_m.php [09:20] dholbach: Do you know the second rule involving small steps? [09:20] wow.... I think this new mouse I got is like the Ferrari of such devices.... It has 6 buttons and idk wow [09:20] doctormon, no, what's the second rule? [09:21] hey bkerensa [09:21] bkerensa, thanks for volunteering [09:21] hi dholbach! [09:21] dholbach: Yeah not sure if I'm the right fit but I'm willing to help where and when I can [09:22] dholbach: Celebrate every step as an achievement worthy of a dance. Physical activity also helps. Each step isn't small, it isn't insignificant, it's magnificent and worthy of feeling good about achieving. [09:22] bkerensa, sure... if you find out you don't like it, that's totally fine :) [09:22] that sounds like a good rule to me [09:22] :D [09:22] * dholbach will do some dancing today [09:22] ... and take out the dog for a walk in a bit [09:22] dholbach, doctormon: you both are absolutely right, but it's still hard [09:23] * doctormon does a little dance [09:23] especially in light of the things I want but that slip through my fingers [09:23] that's what depressing [09:23] TIL: They make mouses that have "Speed Toggles" and "Forward Back buttons" [09:23] :P [09:23] alourie: Ah, accepting our own capabilities is important. [09:24] alourie: It shouldn't depress you that you are moral and finite. [09:24] mortal* [09:25] oh, I am capable for lots of things :-) [09:29] dholbach: hey there [09:29] hiya highvoltage [09:29] how are you doing? [09:29] highvoltage, and thanks for the flowers [09:32] alourie: But not at the same time ;-) [09:33] doctormon: of course, that would be impossible [09:33] alourie: So file that under rule one. [09:33] hm [09:34] dholbach: good thanks (and pleasure!) [09:34] dholbach: we need to schedule Edubuntu Council re-elections, and somehow I've forgotten how that works [09:34] dholbach: does the CC handle the nominations, or should the current EC initiate that? [09:35] I think I might want to do a time management class for the community, Hillary Rettig does them at MIT and they are awesome. [09:36] doctormon: +1 I would be interested in attending that (schedule permitting) [09:36] highvoltage, if you could handle the nominations process, that'd be great [09:36] dholbach: ok, will do [09:36] highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing should have a lot of info that might be helpful [09:36] highvoltage, if there's anything missing, let me know :) [09:37] doctormon: wow, I was just stressing about all the stuff I need to do for the last hour or so and wondering whether I should sign up for time management classes somewhere :) [09:37] Hey highvoltage! [09:37] dholbach: Your going to ping all the volunteers what time and channel we will meet for the talks on thursday right? Just wanna add it to my calendar [09:37] s/your/you're [09:37] doctormon: I think if I could just learn to relax and do one thing at a time, then I'd actually have enough time for everything, but I end up spreading myself too thin, try to do everything, and then get almost nothing done :( [09:37] hey nigelb [09:38] bkerensa, for now I was just thinking we add stuff to the google doc (shared it with you all) and we do stuff by mail - but we can also chat (on #ubuntu-news maybe?) [09:38] bkerensa, I'll reply to the mail I just sent to the 3 of you [09:39] dholbach: ^ sounds good.... I like open collaboration via gdocs on stuff :) it makes it easy to get stuff done and have lots of people working on something [09:39] bkerensa, I just hope that copy/paste into wordpress will work (with all the links and stuff) [09:39] dholbach: Yeah it should work just fine the only problems I have ran into is copy/pasting from LibreOffice to WP (LibreOffice passes some weird markup) [09:40] ahh ok [09:40] that's great then :) [09:40] highvoltage: Sounds like rule three and four problems. But you understand them. [09:43] doctormon: where do I see those rules? [09:44] highvoltage: They're in my head, but Hillary Rettig has some books where she goes into a lot of detail. [09:45] highvoltage: http://hillaryrettig.com/ [09:46] Rule three: Your state of being is highly dependent on your context, thus your environment for working must be just for working and comfortable for you to work. [09:47] Rule four: Everyone must learn to say no, it's hard and we feel bad for letting people down, but it must be done. [09:47] yeah, 3 is a very big problem for me, number 4 isn't at all [09:48] but I'll read that blog and stop spamming the channel about my problems :) [09:49] highvoltage: It's interesting how many people do suffer from these demons. [09:50] Goodnight Folks! [09:50] I've got a second laptop now (10.10, older Acer) and I'musing that for facebook, miro and games. It's in the living room. [09:54] good night bkerensa [10:13] jcastro, yo [10:24] daker, I think where jcastro lives it's currently 05:24 :) [10:25] dholbach, ah ok thanks [10:36] daker: if you leave a message he's really good at getting back to people or drop him an email [10:37] czajkowski, ok [10:41] daker: unless anyone in here can help you? [10:43] czajkowski, no jcastro poked me first [10:45] czajkowski: daker o/ [10:45] daker: ahh gotcha [10:45] jussi: aloha [10:46] coffee is a good thing :) [10:46] czajkowski: hows things? enjoying the new job? [10:49] ah so so [10:49] 3 articles about ubuntu in m y feed and not allowed to write about one of them [10:49] which kinda sucks [10:50] instead I'm writing about http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12644 [11:03] czajkowski: interesting thing all the same [11:03] yes it is, but I've an hr to research and article and write it [11:03] where as ask me to write on the rhythmbox article and I can do that easier [12:04] morning all [12:45] Hey there. [12:45] Got a question for you guys. [12:46] http://askubuntu.com/questions/80772/whats-the-deal-with-all-these-chuck-montages [12:51] mainerror: posted an answer (though humorous) [12:51] lol [12:52] I'd really love to know how or why he became a meme though. :P [12:52] not sure myself... I believe it started at UDS though [13:09] ☺ [13:11] I guess popey knows but doesn't tell. :D [13:13] what time is the meeting? Jono's blog post didn't list UTC so its hard to tell [13:18] 4 P.M. UK Time which is GMT. [13:24] 4pm UTC [13:33] pabs3: how is it hard? he listed it in multiple timezones :) [13:36] I dunno about you but I wasn't able to map what he listed to official timezone names. for example, pacific/eastern are the same thing to me (UTC+10) [13:43] pabs3: or using http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ === scott-work is now known as scott-sick-at-wo === scott-sick-at-wo is now known as scott-sick-work [15:52] http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/ubuntu-my-first-code-contribution/ [15:52] congrats cprofitt [15:53] nice one [15:58] jcastro, dpm: our team meeting is in 2m? [15:58] if so, it'll clash with the SRU team meeting and server team meeting [15:58] oh, bummer [15:58] and in 32m there'll be a desktop team meeting as well [15:58] nice [15:59] 4 meetings at the same time is not bad :) [15:59] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ [15:59] why do we have meetings there anyway? [15:59] team channel baby! [15:59] it's where the people who would care most about what we are working on hang out? [15:59] cprofitt: nice work dude! [16:01] * dholbach summons Mr Bacon [16:02] jono, hey - ubuntu-meeting is taken [16:02] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ [16:02] dholbach, what is there? [16:02] hmmm [16:02] SRU team meeting and server team meeting [16:02] and in 30m desktop team [16:03] jcastro recommended to do it here, which might be the easiest [16:03] I think it makes sense [16:03] it's a shame it won't be logged [16:04] well, I mean that we have a meeting bot [16:04] let's just do it here [16:04] jcastro, is a bot [16:04] we just need to repurpose him from askubuntu to meetings ;-) [16:04] haha [16:04] Maybe a stupid question but why don't you guys just setup a meeting bot for this channel? [16:04] That would explain why jcastro is a machine. ;) [16:04] mainerror, I think we should do that [16:04] yeah [16:04] having it here makes sense [16:05] should be able to get AlanBell 's help to get a bot in here [16:05] it's where everyone who would care about the meeting hangs out [16:05] * mainerror nods [16:05] dpm, you here too? [16:06] jono, yep! [16:06] ok let's do it here from now on [16:06] so let's kick off with some roundtables [16:06] dholbach, want to get us started [16:06] sure [16:06] • Pre-UDS: published accomplishment trophy ideas, interviewed people for Harvest ideas. [16:06] • helped with the creation of Ubuntu IRC Community survey [16:06] • set up ubuntudev google+ page [16:06] • did job interview with mhall :) [16:06] • CC: set up 'team catch-up' schedule for meetings, participated in CC meeting, LoCo Council election, bits and pieces here and there. [16:06] • Dev Advisory Board: drafted reachout mails, started work on team organisation, had a quick call with Christophe about it. [16:06] • Recognising Dev contributions: improved docs WRT thanking/recommending your peers, blogged about and on UCADay [16:06] • Patch Pilot: piloted myself, created patch pilot schedule for Nov/Dec. [16:06] • admin: filed expenses, booked Budapest flights, UDS Survey [16:07] • blueprints: milestoned work items for precise, mailed work item assignees, dealt with a couple low-hanging fruit work-items [16:07] • Asked for ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c to be merged into ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c [16:07] • Weekly dev updates: conversations with News team, figure out submission process, got 2 dev updates out the door, set up initial team and organisation. [16:07] • Catch-up Call. [16:07] --- [16:07] and I have one agenda item [16:08] meetingology: hello [16:08] AlanBell: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. [16:08] cool, thanks, Daniel [16:09] any questions for dholbach? [16:09] * dholbach curtseys [16:10] cool, no questions [16:10] jcastro, shoot [16:10] want to start the bot? [16:11] yeah [16:11] sure [16:11] start the bot [16:11] thanks AlanBell [16:11] #startmeeting Ubuntu Community Team [16:11] Meeting started Tue Nov 22 16:11:21 2011 UTC. The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [16:11] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: [16:11] #chair jcastro jono [16:11] Current chairs: AlanBell jcastro jono [16:11] ok do I need to do anything? [16:11] shall we let dholbach tell about his actions again, for the benefit of the logs? [16:11] #topic dholbach update === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: dholbach update [16:11] sure [16:12] • Pre-UDS: published accomplishment trophy ideas, interviewed people for Harvest ideas. [16:12] • helped with the creation of Ubuntu IRC Community survey [16:12] • set up ubuntudev google+ page [16:12] • did job interview with mhall :) [16:12] • CC: set up 'team catch-up' schedule for meetings, participated in CC meeting, LoCo Council election, bits and pieces here and there. [16:12] • Dev Advisory Board: drafted reachout mails, started work on team organisation, had a quick call with Christophe about it. [16:12] • Recognising Dev contributions: improved docs WRT thanking/recommending your peers, blogged about and on UCADay [16:12] • Patch Pilot: piloted myself, created patch pilot schedule for Nov/Dec. [16:12] • admin: filed expenses, booked Budapest flights, UDS Survey [16:12] • blueprints: milestoned work items for precise, mailed work item assignees, dealt with a couple low-hanging fruit work-items [16:12] • Asked for ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.u.c to be merged into ubuntu-motu@lists.u.c [16:12] • Weekly dev updates: conversations with News team, figure out submission process, got 2 dev updates out the door, set up initial team and organisation. [16:12] • Catch-up Call. [16:12] --- [16:12] and I have one agenda item [16:13] are you posting your agenda item? [16:13] or is it my turn? [16:14] jcastro, shoot [16:14] ok [16:14] - Clean up blueprints, all done. Work can begin on WI syncage, that to be done this week. [16:14] #topic jcastro update === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: jcastro update [16:14] the line adjusts on Friday btw. [16:14] so get your mountain in order [16:14] - Gave Nick access to cloud.ubuntu.com so we can start doc clean up [16:14] ah, nice [16:14] - Membership recommendation for Andrea [16:14] - Attended Cloud Camp Silicon Valley [16:14] cloud camp was fun [16:14] but I am not sure how valuable they are [16:15] in the future we'll probably concentrate more on charm schools at larger events [16:15] yes, it's called charm school [16:15] - Charm growth has started, working on 5 incoming people [16:15] thinkupapp charm is nearly done [16:15] this will be nice [16:15] so everyone will be able to just snag their social data and have a copy on their own servers [16:15] I suspect that might be popular. :) [16:15] - james_w found a problem with my workflow today, his work was being ignored, fixing this today with a vengeance. [16:16] basically we were ignoring the new-charm tag and only paying attention to the entire pile [16:16] which in hindsight is stupid [16:16] haha [16:16] - Setting up a Charm School at SCaLE with Ilan and Clint. We've submitted a talk, want to do a lightning talk on devops day, and the charm school makes for a busy weekend. [16:16] - Working on the creative brief for the design web team for cloud.ubuntu.com. (Kill me) [16:16] - More details in my Trello boards for each area: (this is synced with my work items): http://goo.gl/n4or5 http://goo.gl/WXsY7 http://goo.gl/2y1IQ if you care about that. [16:16] I have no agenda items [16:16] \o/ [16:16] automatically synced? [16:17] which Nick? :) [16:17] no [16:17] I sync manually with Nick [16:17] nick is unscriptable, he has no API [16:17] I'm not quite sure I understand [16:18] you said "Gave Nick access to cloud.ubuntu.com so we can start doc clean up" [16:18] oh right [16:18] so at the sessions [16:18] I was assuming that Nick was a person :) [16:18] we sliced up chunks of the docs on cloud.ubuntu.com [16:18] and each person is responsible for one section [16:18] and it hasn't been touched in a while so he was keen to go in there and fix a bunch of stuff [16:18] ah cool [16:18] so that's Nick Barcet? [16:18] yeah [16:19] ok, got it [16:19] I do have a "name" question too [16:19] which Andrea on Membership recommendation for Andrea? [16:19] Grandi [16:19] ok [16:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaGrandi [16:19] unity 2d, Qt, various things [16:19] :-) [16:20] you know, the italian DX team [16:20] :) [16:20] the DX branch of the mafia [16:20] ok cool [16:20] any questions for jcastro? [16:20] the man, with the plan...dpm! [16:20] [16:21] * AlanBell reminds jono that he can do #topic dpm update [16:21] ok, here I go [16:21] #topic dpm notes [16:21] #topic dpm update === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: dpm notes [16:21] • Took 2 days off last week [16:21] AlanBell, :-) [16:21] • Chat with dholbach on how to better mesage /the _app_ developer and _platform_ developer communities, and how to better explain platform development on d.u.c [16:21] * dholbach hugs dpm [16:21] ;-) [16:22] get a room [16:22] lol [16:22] :-) [16:22] • Created the G+ and Facebook Ubuntu App Developer pages (subscribe/like them! :) [16:22] * http://goo.gl/STx1G [16:23] * http://www.facebook.com/ubuntuappdev [16:23] • Worked on a list of app developer events to have Ubuntu presence on with jpugh [16:24] (not public atm, as it contains sponsorship info -ie Canonical sponsoring events-) [16:24] • Conversations with Simplified Chinese translators to clarify how uploads are done for the Complete Simplified Chinese Desktop goal [16:24] • Scheduled regular translation calls with translations leaders [16:25] • Finished off blueprint setup [16:25] And I think that was me for this week's relevant stuff [16:26] thanks, dpm [16:26] any questions for dpm? [16:26] dpm, we should have a chat again about app vs. platform developer communities [16:26] but no, no questions :) [16:27] none here [16:27] next victim! [16:27] may I ask? [16:27] of course! [16:27] this is a community meeting too :-) [16:27] when you say event sponsoring -- do you mean like UDS or do you mean other technical events? [16:27] dholbach, yeah, we still have to see what message we put exactly on d.u.c [16:27] cprofitt, good question [16:28] I mean Canonical being a gold/platinun/blahblah sponsor for a particular conference [16:28] * cprofitt nods [16:28] which generally means contributing with some money to a conference [16:28] good to hear I have been looking for that for a long time. I will keep my eyes open for when the information becomes public [16:29] we don't want this info to be public while we're still considering which events to sponsor [16:29] ok [16:29] is there a process to solicit community input on events? or what type of events? [16:29] any more questions for dpm? [16:29] there is one :-) [16:29] :) [16:30] cprofitt, the list we've been working on is specific to app-developer-related conferences [16:30] * cprofitt nods [16:30] cprofitt, there is no formal process to solicit community input, but if you know of any conference on that topic, feel free to tell me :) [16:31] and I'll add it to the list [16:31] dpm - after the meeting lets talk about the app-developer stuff... I have an idea that may be of interest [16:31] cprofitt, excelent :) [16:32] excellent, that is [16:32] cool [16:32] ok, I will go next [16:32] #topic jono roundtable === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: "Work Items: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html || Community Trello: http://goo.gl/n4or5 (experiment) || Things to work on (in order): OpenWeek, UDS prep, WI's, Blueprints for UDS || dholbach's channel: http://goo.gl/9xNTd || dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5" | Ubuntu Community Team Meeting | Current topic: jono roundtable [16:32] * Not as much for me as I have taken a bunch of days off work since UDS to work on the book. [16:32] * Reviewed my call schedule, adding a few regular calls after discussions at UDS. [16:32] I need to trim this down though [16:33] I worry I am going to grow a phone out the side of my head [16:33] * Went to a few events: Cloud Expo and Community Managers meeting a PayPal. [16:33] * Created G+ pages across our range of brands. [16:33] Ubuntu, Canonical, Ubuntu Advantage, Launchpad etc... [16:34] * Working with the team to finalize the 12.04 plan - everything is now in place - see http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/22/canonical-community-team-12-04-plans/ for more details [16:34] * Gathered and released UDS proceedings - see http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/11/17/12-04-ubuntu-developer-summit-proceedings/ for details [16:35] Ubuntu Advantage? [16:35] doctormon, http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage [16:35] doctormon, yeah, it is an enterprise service [16:35] thanks dholbach [16:35] * Finalized the role for Michael Hall and got the position filled. He starts in 2012. Woo mhall119! [16:36] :-) [16:36] * Bunch of job interviews for the QA position. [16:36] Ah good, Ubuntu Enterprise. (I always thought the advantage to Ubuntu was always it's community ;-)) [16:36] it is [16:36] doctormon, well, it is, but an Enterprise doesn't care about community, they care about support [16:37] you know how some corpspeak is needed in that world :-) [16:37] They want a name for the throat to choke [16:37] yup [16:37] and someone to blame [16:37] * Reviewing UDS notes and following up people on actions. [16:38] * Starting putting together and releasing a series of blog entries to summarize work and focus after UDS. [16:38] * Working with ISD to get the Canonical blog service improved to encourage more staff to blog publicly. [16:38] and finally... [16:38] * Catching up with email. [16:38] any questions for me? [16:38] jono: On the Ubuntu Advantage site, why do they have fancy orange Ubuntu brand logo on white background mugs and we don't? [16:38] jono: are you sure you took time off? ;-) [16:39] mainerror, those mugs are in the Canonical office [16:39] alourie, heh [16:39] any questions for me? [16:40] jono: What book are you writing? [16:40] Jono: Average velocity of unladen swallows? :) [16:40] mainerror, The Art of Community second edition [16:40] Nice. [16:40] http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/ [16:41] it is available in print and under a Creative Commons license too :-) [16:41] and it's an awesome book [16:41] any more questions? [16:41] thanks alourie! [16:41] * alourie is in the middle of it right now [16:41] ok, dholbach you have an agenda item? [16:41] yes, I think we still need to pick dates for UDW, UGJ, UADW and UOW [16:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [16:42] for UDW I'd suggest the week of 2nd Feb (close to Feature Freeze and with some time for myself to pester people at the Rally) [16:42] ok, let me load the cal [16:43] for UGJ I'd suggest the weekend after 1st March (after Beta 1 release) [16:43] lets go one at a time [16:43] ok for UDW [16:43] WB 13th Feb? [16:44] I'm not sure I understand? [16:44] let us review each event one at a time [16:44] sure [16:44] so the second week of Feb is week begging 13th Feb [16:44] I just didn't understand "WB 13th Feb?" [16:44] WB = Week Beginning [16:44] ah sorry [16:44] :-) [16:44] no, I meant the week in which the 2nd of February falls [16:45] so two weeks before Feature Freeze [16:45] the 2nd Feb is a Sun [16:45] so still before we start the bug fixing phase, but not in the crazy week of FF itself [16:45] oh no [16:45] I see [16:46] dholbach, ok, I will add them to the Community Team cal [16:46] can you add them to the Fridge Cal? [16:46] UDW - 30th Jan - 3rd Feb [16:46] I have to check again, but yeah [16:46] cool [16:47] UGJ - 2 - 4 Mar [16:47] great [16:47]