=== poolie_ is now known as poolie [00:06] Hmm.. do we need NLS in the wget udeb? that would be another 3k down.. [00:09] SpamapS: we shouldn't [00:09] cjwatson: right, BB doesn't have any either by the looks of it [00:10] cjwatson: since I have you here, how do you feel about -Os ? I've never used it.. but it did drop nearly 20kB off the code size (and 10kB off the udeb size) for wget [00:19] SpamapS: *shrug* [00:19] SpamapS: we use it in a few places in d-i I think [00:19] cjwatson: ACK. uploaded a new wget with as many disables and optimizations as I could find in 2 hours. [00:20] cjwatson: from 159K to 130K [00:20] better than nowt [00:20] cjwatson: note that the rebuild just with precise's toolchain raised it from 152K to 159K === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:46] broder: cool :) [02:56] whatup! ubuntu is booted with xdesktop on my Motorola Xoom! [05:32] Good morning [05:32] Morning pitti. [05:32] mornin [06:53] * SpamapS takes a deep breath and uploads mysql 5.5 [07:50] bdrung: fyi, it looks like bug #808767 no longer affects the lintian build; i can build 2.5.4 on precise-i386 without error [07:50] Launchpad bug 808767 in binutils (Ubuntu) "objdump --only-keep-debug cause the resulting binary to be statically linked on i386 arch" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808767 [08:03] good morning [09:42] hm, today's images grew by 8 MB [09:42] pitti: KDE update last night/ [09:42] no, Ubuntu's [09:42] * pitti checks [09:43] == Added packages == [09:43] libicu48 (8.1 MB) [09:43] ah, there we go [09:43] libicu44 still has a few rdepends [09:43] also, it was only 7 MB [09:44] but at least the bulk of it will resolve itself with NBS [10:19] pitti: can I get you do 2 PPA copies for me [10:19] micahg: beer accepted [10:19] micahg: sure, which? [10:20] pitti: ubuntu-mozilla-security, firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.10.3 to ubuntu/primary oneiric (Security) and firefox - 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 to natty-security [10:24] micahg: done [10:24] pitti: thanks :) [10:35] somebody tell diwic to stop creating surveys for software he doesn't maintain === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:04] pitti: has there been a recent upload to xdg-user-dirs? bug #893526 has just been filed by a user. We've seen it before as bug #209513 but what concerns me this time around is wanting to rename ~/./ to ~/Public/ (ie move folders between different levels) [11:04] Launchpad bug 893526 in xdg-user-dirs (Ubuntu) "Post login shows dialogue to rename homedir to homedir/Public" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893526 [11:04] Launchpad bug 209513 in xdg-user-dirs (Ubuntu) "After upgrade, "Update standard folders to current language" threatens to rename your home folder" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209513 [11:05] this question also happens if you change your locale [11:06] sladen: last upload was mid June === nezticle_ is now known as nezticle [11:12] pitti: icu> yep, remaining unuploaded piece in main is libreoffice; see last night's conversation ... [11:13] cjwatson: right, seems fine; just wanted to make sure it's not something less transietn [11:13] and yay typing === smb` is now known as smb === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [12:02] pitti: the user claims not to have [12:04] slangasek: is that oneiric or precise? might be a lightdm change [12:11] slangasek, TheMuso: uploaded GTK 3 multiarch-ification, FYI [12:12] TheMuso: so you can probably re-enable it in at-spi again, too === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [15:13] do we need to file rm bugs for sources that got dropped from debian because they are deprecated and non maintained and buggy? [15:14] or is somebody looking at those and mirroring the action in Ubuntu every now and then? (looking at pessulus in this case) [15:16] occasionally; that's "process-removals" [15:16] seb128: so, no need to file them now [15:16] in fact, I'll take a run through this [15:16] pitti, ok, thanks [15:20] Riddell: libkipi was removed from Debian (debian bug 615579), with "taken over by kdegraphics from kde4"; but we still have rdepends [15:20] Debian bug 615579 in ftp.debian.org "RM: libkipi -- ROM; obsolete, taken over by kdegraphics from kde4" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/615579 [15:20] Riddell: should we follow suit, or keep the sourrce? [15:24] pitti: let me investigate [15:24] upstream aren't entirely consistent there [15:28] pitti: libkipi has indeed been merged into kdegraphics but now kdegraphics is released as separate split tars so we have libkipi again, so please keep it [15:28] Riddell: ah, ok; so eventually Debian will do the same, I figure [15:29] Riddell: thanks for checking! [15:29] right [15:30] cjwatson, mterry: I think I fixed the libgail-3-common induced uninstallability now [15:31] on powerpc/armel buildds need to catch up [15:36] pitti, sweet! [15:37] mterry: just in case you look at precise_probs and want to LART me :) [15:37] :) [15:37] in hindsight I should have updated seeds and -meta first, then gtk [15:59] hi all [16:01] where can I find informations/tutorials about splitting something in multiple packages? (for example: foo, foo-docs, foo-libs, foo-data ecc....). I've given a look at the official packaging documentation but it looks like this thing is not covered (at least on the doc I was reading it wasn't). Thanks! [16:31] Andy80: I'm not sure there are specific guides for that.. but usually you will need to be more explicit with each of the .install/.docs files to specify the package name.. and add sections to the control file for each [16:32] * SpamapS changes gears [16:32] so, I uploaded a merge of mysql-5.5 from Debian experimental and since it is new to Ubuntu, its in the NEW queue. Does it have to pass a full NEW review or am I just waiting for an AA to ack it? [16:36] SpamapS: as long as it's a sync, we usually just wave it through [16:36] SpamapS: so if it's a merge, an AA will at least have to do some cursory checks [16:52] pitti: ACK.. so is there anyone I can poke for an expedite? I need to get the libmysqlclient transition rolling. :-P [16:52] SpamapS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Archive_days says Riddell is the master of the day, but not sure whether that's still current [16:53] pitti: actually I'm just doing my first archive duties for many months [16:53] SpamapS: what needs doing? [16:54] Riddell: ah, still know the knobs? :-) [16:54] Riddell: mysql-5.5 .. merge from Debian experimental is in the NEW queue. [16:54] Riddell: I would be most overjoyed if you could give it a high priority. Thanks! :) [16:54] SpamapS: then I'll get to it shortly as I do New processing (unless there's a paticular hurry) [16:55] Riddell: next few hours is fine. It will take 2 hours to build, and then I have to start a rather large transition for the new libmysqlclient [16:56] that'll be fun :) [16:56] SpamapS: ugh, ABI change? happy buildd warming :) [16:57] SpamapS: you'll probably need to poke me again once it's built then to let the New binaries in [16:57] Riddell: JFYI, I'm currently running process-removals (man, looong backlog), so if you try to run some tools and you don't get a lock, that'd be me [16:57] please poke me if you need it [16:57] ack === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [17:02] Riddell: will do. :) [17:02] pitti: what was fun was convincing MySQL upstream that there actually was an ABI change.. they didn't believe it until we showed them the crashes *of their own client software* === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [17:03] superm1: ah, I can't push to ~mythbuntu/mythtv/mythtv-fixes -- can you please change ttf-droid to fonts-droid and ttf-liberation to fonts-liberation? (presumably some more fonts, too) [17:03] superm1: they recently got renamed [17:06] cjwatson: argh, sorry -- I removed ttf-farsiweb, saw too late that it is used by d-i; it was renamed to fonts-* [17:09] pitti: can you give me a merge request, i'll sort out the permissions problem later and merge it? [17:09] (assuming you already made changes locally of course) [17:09] superm1: not yet, I just saw that I can't push the branch [17:09] but can do [17:10] pitti: multiarchification - whee, thanks :) [17:14] superm1: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/mythtv/font-rename/+merge/83047 [17:18] cjwatson: I pushed the change to bzr, but as I haven't done a d-i upload yet I rather don't try it now without your guidance === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [18:10] pitti, have you heard of anyone having troubles building pbuilder images for precise? I posted my log at #893700. [18:11] bryceh, he left for the day but that doesn't seem really pitti specific [18:11] that maybe something the stable team can help with? [18:11] i.e cjwatson or mterry [18:11] seb128, ok [18:12] y [18:12] o [18:12] * mterry looks at bug [18:13] heya mterry, I poked around to see if anyone got that same error as I but found nothing; wondering if it's some odd perl conflict [18:13] or something particular to the pbuilder version I have installed [18:14] bryceh, hm maybe cjwatson would know right away, he did the perl transition [18:14] bryceh: debootstrap was having issues with perl [18:14] perl-modules in particular [18:14] cjwatson fixed it with the most recent debootstrap upload to unstable, if you want to grab that [18:14] broder, ah that sounds like a plausible suspect [18:15] (as i recall, both the old and new versions of perl-modules were still getting published, and debootstrap couldn't handle it) [18:15] broder, ah [18:16] hmm, not sure if I can direct pbuilder to pull bits from debian, but sounds like we'll be syncing that in before too long? [18:16] bryceh: you use your own debootstrap, not the chroots [18:17] so you can just install it on your host machine [18:17] err, not host, but ykwim === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [18:34] broder, awesome, it built the precise pbuilder image now, thanks! [18:34] np :) [18:37] Crap.. mysql 5.5 FTBFS on armel [18:37] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/85702840/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.mysql-5.5_5.5.17-4ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [18:38] /build/buildd/mysql-5.5-5.5.17/sql-common/client_plugin.c:247:5: error: incompatible type for argument 5 of 'add_plugin' [18:38] Guessing this is a common failure === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:52] SpamapS: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=62769 [18:53] Sarvatt: nice.. thanks! [18:57] hey all [18:57] is Precise reasonably stable at the moment? [18:57] I am thinking of upgrading [19:04] * SpamapS dist-upgraded a week ago but has yet to reboot [19:18] jono, I've just upgraded one system and fresh-installed 3 others [19:19] jono, aside from a few assorted glitches (that I think you'd be unlikely to see) it went smoothly === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [19:25] thanks bryceh === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [19:51] WW: Explicitly asked to ignore failures (probably not good) [19:51] II: New modules (you've been busy, wipe the poop off your nose) [20:22] pitti: fonts-farsiweb> that's fine, thanks - no urgency on an upload, it can go into the next one that's needed for some other reason. I've committed the corresponding seed change too [20:23] bryceh: oh, yeah, I meant to sync debootstrap from unstable today for that but forgot (something to do with being on holiday maybe ;-) ). Synced now [20:27] cjwatson, thanks. Should the fix be sru'd, for folks that are doing pbuilder of precise on stable series? [20:27] cjwatson, if you can point me at the appropriate patch I can do the sru grunt work on it. [20:28] bryceh: I commented on the bug. I don't think it will get through the SRU process before the archive is changed such that it goes away on its own [20:28] cjwatson, ah ok [20:28] bryceh: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debootstrap.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fbf86aa8fbcd06cb62fddddcfd4605fef2ee8b2 if you want, though [20:29] I could put it in -backports, that would be quicker [20:29] (after this sync publishes) [20:29] cjwatson, ah that's not a bad idea [20:33] cjwatson, I'll wontfix the natty/oneiric tasks unless you think there's any chance that this could recur such as when q-series opens? [20:36] at the very least it will recur at each perl transition [20:41] cjwatson: :-/ i recognize that we can move packages faster through -backports, but i'm not super thrilled about using backports for bugfixes [20:43] has someone looked at backport sphinx 1.07? [20:44] jtaylor: bug #? [20:44] none yet [20:44] then probably not :-P [20:44] I'm asking first, not that I do duplicate work [20:45] everything ought to be on bugs [20:45] would be quite useful for some python pacakges using dh_sphinxdoc [20:45] searching the ubp project, i see bug #256017 and bug #291825, both of which should be killed off at this point anyway [20:45] Launchpad bug 256017 in Hardy Backports "Please backport python-sphinx 0.4-1 from intrepid to hardy" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256017 [20:45] Launchpad bug 291825 in Hardy Backports "please backport sphinx 0.4.2-1 from Intrepid to Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291825 [20:46] but nothing recent [20:46] k thx [20:47] jtaylor: i'd encourage you to play with requestbackport in ubuntu-dev-tools, either from precise or from ppa:udt-developers/daily === salem_ is now known as _salem [20:48] broder: oh, I never added existing backport searching to requestbackport [20:48] tumbleweed: yeah, but i'm slowly ramping up to encouraging people to always using it for opening new bugs anyway [20:48] broder: Well, it's not so much that as that historically I've kept debootstrap up to date in -backports anyway because lots of people want the new scripts symlink [20:49] cjwatson: i thought we sru'd those... [20:49] Somebody started SRUing them without asking me first [20:49] I'd already been backporting them for some time before that [20:49] i only see it in updates for lucid [20:50] heh, ok. i have no problem if there's precedent [20:50] So basically it's a mess [20:50] Alternatively somebody could upload the relevant bits of KDE to make perlkde buildable and then the problem will go away for now :-) [20:51] In principle perl transitions should be completeable in about two or three days; less if we had good enough tools to stage them somewhere [20:51] It does seem more appropriate to cherry-pick that fix for SRU, but I recognise that it may be more work than it's worth. So I'm happy with carrying on keeping debootstrap more-or-less up to date in backports.. [20:52] I am in the proccess of merging and uploading large parts of KDE so it should happen soon [20:53] it's just smokekde and okular I think, if I can convince you to prioritise :-) [20:53] I'll see what I can do [20:54] cool [21:01] pitti: Thanks./ [21:09] cjwatson: you merged svn last, are you considering fixing bug 881862 in oneiric? [21:09] Launchpad bug 881862 in subversion (Ubuntu) "svn up Segmentation Fault" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881862 [21:09] it would be shame when the good triaging of the reporter goes to waste [21:10] the issue should be fixed in precise with the merge [21:42] pitti: Hey. Any idea why the Traceback of bug #760111 & dupes show "/home/username" (ie. with "username", literally) as the path? [21:42] Launchpad bug 760111 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu Precise) "zeitgeist-daemon crashed with OSError in makedirs(): [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/ubuntu/.local/share/zeitgeist'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760111 [21:57] RainCT, some users consider their login name to be private info, apport replace it for privacy reasons [21:57] seb128: it's still in the bug titles, though [21:57] "bug" ;-) [21:57] the intend is to hide it [21:58] the title case was not considered I guess [21:58] seb128: Okay, thanks for the info. So it's not XDG_HOME being messed up or something :P [21:58] no it's not ;-) [21:59] " def anonymize(self): [21:59] '''Remove user identifying strings from the report. [21:59] This particularly removes the user name, host name, and IPs [21:59] from attributes which contain data read from the environment, and [21:59] removes the ProcCwd attribute completely. [21:59] ''' [21:59] " [21:59] RainCT, ^ that's what apport is doing basically (that's from report.py in the apport source code) [22:30] broder: k, synced [23:16] hi [23:18] hm... why does ubuntu have 2 installation-cd: "desktop" and alternate? wouldn't it be easier to keep it on one (since space isn't that big problem- it will be to big for cd anyway...)? [23:26] szymon_g: Don't forget the desktop is also a live cd [23:27] szymon_g: You don't need both the alternate and desktop installers; they're two different ways to arrive at the same installed system. [23:29] penguin42, yes, i know. i wonder- why they are seperated: on the start of system /when you choose like "check cd for defects" "check memory" etc etc/ someone could choose: either livecd /and maybe simple install from it/ or "advanced" way- i.e. textual installer, with lvm/raid etc [23:30] so it would be easier for some people /like me: no need to get 2 images: livecd for checking how unity has been changed + alternate for installing on lvm/raid/ [23:30] szymon_g: That used to be available in the DVD version. [23:30] "used to be" :? [23:30] was dvd ceased? [23:30] As of oneiric, I believe the DVD version in that form is no longer available. [23:30] They're separated because you can't fit both of them on the same CD. [23:31] There is still a DVD version, but its a live system only, and much smaller. [23:31] RAOF, but the next ubuntu wont be on CD either [23:31] It will be if it fits :) [23:31] and textual installer + lvm/raid support wont occupy much space [23:32] Yes it will actually, you need all the debs of the system to be installed. [23:32] RAOF, i heard rumors that it will be approx 750mb o.O [23:32] Yes, it will. it will occupy 700 MB of space. :) [23:32] There is essentially nothing shared between the livecd and the alternate installer. [23:33] so- are there any chances to introduce lvm/raid configuration in livecd installer? [23:33] Of course. [23:33] It's a long-standing feature request. [23:33] But not a priority afaik. [23:33] I don't think that anyone's currently working on it, but if you wanted to I don't know of any reason why good patches wouldn't be accepted. [23:34] RAOF, i'm just asking. my only programs were "hello world" in C. the most beautiful 32 lines of code you could ever see [23:34] ;) [23:35] * Frostbite pats szymon_g [23:35] :) btw, is anyone working on delta-deb? [23:35] it's huge bandwith saving /my record is 96% of savings/