[01:14] <EvilResistance> someone might want to watch #ubuntu, there's a potential bitching fest that would cause bad language fights in channel...
[01:14] <EvilResistance> i already called the !language flag twice
[03:33] <pangolin> tonyyarusso got a live one
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> pangolin: hrm?
[03:33] <pangolin> Argos
[03:34] <pangolin> never mind, just be being silly
[03:34] <pangolin> also with Desura being out of beta we could say the linux is for games now also
[03:34] <pangolin> s/the/that/
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> !desura
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> pangolin: ?
[03:37] <pangolin> hmm let me run to the store and I'll write up a factoid when i get back
[03:55] <pangolin> !desura is <reply> Desura is an application which makes it easy to install, patch and play games on all Linux and Windows distributions. http://www.desura.com for more information.
[03:55] <pangolin> ubottu: ping
[03:56] <pangolin> what!?
[03:56] <pangolin> why didn't that take?
[03:57] <pangolin> !desura
[03:57] <pangolin> interesting
[03:58] <pangolin> ubottu: desura is <reply> Desura is an application which makes it easy to install, patch and play games on all Linux and Windows distributions. http://www.desura.com for more information.
[03:58] <pangolin> thanks
[03:58] <pangolin> tonyyarusso: is that good enough ?
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> Maybe?
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> pangolin: So, does it make it so you can play Windows games, or is it a platform for people to develop games to compete against them?
[04:00] <pangolin> it is a steam like client for linux
[04:00] <pangolin> doesn't let you play windows games
[04:01] <pangolin> least not that I am aware of
[06:37]  * elky lines up a kick
[10:19] <vibhav> What random advice?
[10:19] <Tm_T> hi vibhav
[10:19] <vibhav> I use synaptiks on my laptop
[10:19] <ikonia> 10:17 < vibhav> Reikoku: sudo apt-get install kde-config-touchpad
[10:19] <vibhav> hi Tm_T
[10:19] <ikonia> the guy isn't using kde
[10:20] <vibhav> synaptiks will still work on gnome
[10:20] <ikonia> you didn't find out what he was using, you just suggested he bascially pulls in a massive ammount of kde desktop
[10:20] <Tm_T> that
[10:20] <Tm_T> "worksforme" ):
[10:20] <vibhav> no nono
[10:21] <ikonia> you've been told about this approach many times now and the team cannot moitor the advice you give people
[10:21] <vibhav> Snaptiks is quite powerful
[10:21] <ikonia> at this time you cannot be trusted to help people properly in the channel
[10:21] <vibhav> It will still work for him
[10:21] <ikonia> vibhav: so would installing fedora....is that an option ?
[10:21] <vibhav> ikonia: Do you know his problem?
[10:21] <ikonia> yes, his touchpad isn't working how he wants for "tap" click
[10:22] <vibhav> HE wanted to disable tapping
[10:22] <ikonia> yes,
[10:22] <vibhav> And Synaptiks has an option for disabling it
[10:22] <ikonia> yes it does
[10:22] <ikonia> it also installs half of KDE
[10:22] <ikonia> so to fix his touchpad you are basically saying install KDE into the gnome desktop
[10:22] <vibhav> Which the deafault Mouse Managment softare included in Ubuntu does not have
[10:23] <vibhav> I was just asking him if he wanted to compile it , but you kicked me
[10:23] <ikonia> I'm done - I don't believe you think through the help you give people, warn people of what's going to happen and you cause more issues than you help
[10:24] <vibhav> Installing KDE wont mess up his laptop
[10:24] <ikonia> asking him if he wants to compile it ???/ so now you're installing KDE dev libraries too, sorry no
[10:24] <vibhav> I knew what I was doing
[10:24] <ikonia> I'm leaving it there. Tm_T if you want to go through this loop again, your call
[10:24] <vibhav> sigh
[10:25] <vibhav> Is not this getting lame??
[10:26] <vibhav> hello?
[10:28] <vibhav> my advice was neither wfm nor random
[10:28] <vibhav> Neither it was dangerous
[10:29] <vibhav> 15:58 <vibhav> installed?
[10:29] <vibhav> 15:59 <Reikoku> Yeah, how do I run it?
[10:29] <Tm_T> vibhav: sorry, but I think we're back to the "I'll monitor and see if you can do things right" mode
[10:30] <Tm_T> and this time, I would also like you to pay attention what I'm trying to tell you
[10:30] <vibhav> But , its working for him ;There is nothing wrong there
[10:30] <Tm_T> vibhav: and if it weren't working?
[10:30] <vibhav> Then you had a proper reason
[10:31] <Tm_T> what would he need to remove to get back to the state before installing that?
[10:32] <vibhav> Which state
[10:32] <vibhav> He is still using gnome
[10:32] <Tm_T> the state before installing synaptiks, meaning, removing all the packages he wouldn't need which were just installed
[10:34] <Tm_T> vibhav: the problem is, it did work this time, although there would have been other ways that wouldn't have involved installing half of the DE he don't use
[10:34] <Tm_T> there's just no manpower to watch after you to make sure you don't accidentally ruin someone'
[10:35] <Tm_T> 's system
[10:35] <vibhav> The point is , my advice did nothing wrong to his system
[10:36] <Tm_T> vibhav: we've had this conversation several times now, so let's just stop now
[10:37] <vibhav> cmon
[10:37] <vibhav> My advice worked , and he said he would donate $5 to any organization of my liking
[10:37] <Tm_T> and from my point of view all that is irrelevant
[10:38] <vibhav> I know
[10:38] <vibhav> But it worked
[10:38] <vibhav> This means I helped him
[10:38] <vibhav> PROPERLY
[10:38] <vibhav> And not gave any random advice
[10:38] <vibhav> Which you told me not to
[10:38] <Tm_T> no, "worksforme" is not proper way to help
[10:38] <vibhav> its NOT WFM , why dont you understand
[10:39] <vibhav> Every other touchpad management program loses its settngs on a reboot
[10:39] <Tm_T> vibhav: for example, you didn't ask if he wanted to install half of the DE he isn't using, did you?
[10:39] <vibhav> THATS THE POINT
[10:39] <Tm_T> vibhav: you didn't look any simpler solutions or inform your solution isn't simple, did you?
[10:40] <vibhav> 16:09 < vibhav> Every other touchpad management program loses its settngs on a  reboot
[10:41] <Tm_T> vibhav: so for both of my questions its no?
[10:41] <vibhav> I did search for some other management devices
[10:41] <Tm_T> search isn't enough
[10:42] <vibhav> and I was going to ask him about KDE
[10:42] <Tm_T> too late
[10:42] <vibhav> which he was going to install
[10:42] <Tm_T> too late
[10:42] <vibhav> but ikonia kicked me
[10:43] <Tm_T> "I was going to..." doesn't suffice
[10:44] <vibhav> What if I ask him to join and gice advice on my solution?
[10:44] <Tm_T> no
[10:44] <vibhav> I mean a testmonial?
[10:44] <Tm_T> Reikoku: hi, how can we help?
[10:44] <vibhav> My soultion worked for you Reikoku right?
[10:45] <Tm_T> irrelevant
[10:45] <Reikoku> Yeah it sorted one of my issues
[10:45] <Tm_T> Reikoku: sorry, but if there's no further help you need from us, I have to ask you to part so we can continue with vibhav without distraction, ok? (:
[10:45] <Reikoku> OK
[10:46] <vibhav> so
[10:47] <vibhav> hello?
[10:47] <Tm_T> patience
[10:47] <vibhav> ok
[10:47] <Tm_T> the problem with you (still) is that you rush to help before you even know or care to find out the whole issue, or what the consequenses could be with your suggestions which you possibly just found with search
[10:48] <Tm_T> the key here is patience
[10:48] <vibhav> He gave the exact !details of the problem
[10:49] <Tm_T> vibhav: your solution did require some questions before given, like I tried to show you a moment ago
[10:50] <vibhav> But I researched for some time , then gave him advice/solution
[10:50] <vibhav> He asked the question on 15:38
[10:50] <Tm_T> that's not enough
[10:50] <vibhav> And I gave an answer on 15:47
[10:51] <vibhav> You cant expect one to research for half an hour
[10:51] <Tm_T> ...which just means you don't know, so you don't need to help with stuff you don't know
[10:51] <Tm_T> because you can very easily cause damage
[10:51] <vibhav> don't know what??
[10:52] <vibhav> but this DID NOT cause any damage
[10:52] <Tm_T> this time
[10:52] <vibhav> but instead worked for him
[10:52] <vibhav> So you have ABSOLUTELY NO reason to ban/kick me
[10:52] <vibhav> Kick me when I gave RANDOM advice
[10:52] <vibhav> Which I used to give
[10:53] <vibhav> ikonia is simply looking for reasons to kick\ban me
[10:53] <Tm_T> "I did search for it" doesn't make it any better, even if it happens to work this time if you don't know or don't care to tell what it will do
[10:54] <vibhav> dont change the subject
[10:54] <vibhav> The point is , It Worked
[10:54] <vibhav> For him
[10:54] <Tm_T> and my point is, it doesn't matter
[10:54] <vibhav> Why?
[10:57] <Tm_T> because you don't know, don't check, or tell the consequences to the one who you are helping
[10:57] <vibhav> This time I knew the consequences
[10:57] <Tm_T> vibhav: but you didn't tell
[10:58] <vibhav> ikonia banned me before i could tell  him about it
[10:58] <Tm_T> you should have tell about it _before_ telling to install something
[10:59] <Tm_T> hence "I was going to..." is way too late
[10:59] <vibhav> But it worked for him
[11:00] <Tm_T> vibhav: please, stop saying "but it did work this time" as it's irrelevant
[11:00] <vibhav> ...
[11:01] <vibhav> you dont seem to understand it
[11:01] <Tm_T> that it did work for him, this time?
[11:01] <vibhav> I twould work for 'n' number of people , 'n' times
[11:02] <Tm_T> vibhav: and every time you fail to to check and tell what they actually do install
[11:03] <elky> vibhav, By your logic, cops shouldn't stop drunk drivers from driving while drunk unless they first crash into something.
[11:03] <elky> I don't like that logic.
[11:03] <vibhav> elky : Crashing is Damage
[11:03] <Tm_T> elky: I was thinking of someone shooting with shotgun wildly saying "I didn't shoot anyone this time"
[11:03] <vibhav> While it did not do any damage , instead it worked for him
[11:04] <elky> sometimes drunk drivers make it home, too
[11:04] <elky> that doesn't make drunk driving ok to do
[11:04] <vibhav> It would work for 'n' number of people , 'n' times
[11:04] <vibhav> repeated
[11:04] <elky> the police stop them for a reason
[11:04] <Tm_T> vibhav: your advices don't hold that quality
[11:05] <Tm_T> not even mine
[11:05] <vibhav> What if , The driver only had an unopened bottle of an alcholic beverage?
[11:05] <Tm_T> vibhav: stop
[11:05] <vibhav> This is the same situation
[11:05] <Tm_T> it is not
[11:05] <vibhav> and why?
[11:05] <elky> vibhav, these newbies are putting trust in you, you know. they trust that your advice won't also have surprises, such as most of kde, that they didn't want and may not notice until something /else/ happens.
[11:06] <vibhav> It did not have any surprises , though
[11:06] <vibhav> Reikoku has helped several people here
[11:06] <elky> did he know *beforehand* that it was going to install lots of extra stuff? Did you check that he's on a system that has space for all that?
[11:07] <vibhav> ikonia banned me before asking that
[11:07] <elky> my eeepc 701, for example, would probably have run out of disk space
[11:07] <vibhav>  ikonia banned me before asking that
[11:07] <elky> vibhav, you'd already had him install it, why were you going to ask *after*?
[11:07] <vibhav> Noo
[11:07] <elky> you need to ask that *before*
[11:07] <vibhav> 64.4 MB does not get downloaded immeadiately
[11:07] <Tm_T> vibhav: it's too late
[11:07] <Tm_T> way too late
 15:58 <vibhav> installed?
 15:59 <Reikoku> Yeah, how do I run it?
[11:08] <elky> ^that means it was too late
[11:08] <vibhav> that is exactly 58 - 47 minutes after I was banned
[11:08] <vibhav> and apt-get tells you the amount of disk space to be used and download
[11:08] <vibhav> downloaded*
[11:09] <elky> so?
[11:09] <Tm_T> vibhav: you're rolling your responsibility to the user
[11:09] <elky> and if he had space then, but after downloading a few songs he ran out of space, or he tried to install something more important than synaptiks and he couldn't because there was no space left?
[11:09] <elky> that's what we mean by other issues
[11:10] <vibhav> I PMED him about that
[11:10] <Tm_T> vibhav: it was all too late
[11:10] <vibhav> The chat text you posted earlier was all Pmed
[11:10] <elky> you're supposed to ask *BEFORE* you give the advice.
[11:10] <elky> not after
[11:10] <vibhav> okay
[11:10] <vibhav> But today it worked for this guy
[11:11] <vibhav> so it could be a warning
[11:11] <elky> you ran out of those long ago
[11:11] <Tm_T> no, you've been warned and explained multiple times before
 BTW it will instal some KDE stuff worth 250 MB too
 thats fine , I have plenty of disk space
[11:12] <Tm_T> it was too late
[11:12] <vibhav> no
[11:12] <vibhav> I pmed him about that
[11:12] <vibhav> when I was downloading the stuff
[11:12] <vibhav> he*
[11:13] <Tm_T> before giving the advice on channel?
[11:13] <vibhav> the time he was downloadind it
[11:14] <Tm_T> vibhav: ok, this ends now, it's been explained to you multiple times within last 15 minutes that's way too late, yet you try squirm out of it instead of even trying to see what's the problem here
[11:14] <vibhav> downloading*
[11:14] <vibhav> Iknowtheproblem
[11:15] <Tm_T> vibhav: and I don't believe you have anything valuable to bring to this conversation anymore, nor do I to be honest, so I'll ask you to stop now
[11:16] <vibhav> 16:45 <Reikoku> The warning was irrelevant as I have qt4 installed
[11:16] <vibhav> :)
[11:17] <vibhav>  So the downloads took about 30 seconds
[11:17] <Tm_T> oh boy...
[11:17]  * elky huggles Tm_T
[18:09]  * genii-around slides Pici a beverage of his choice
[21:16] <Pici> The ban is only a few days old too