| thafreak | canthus13: you around? you been quiet...I had some wifi security questions for you if you're around | 16:41 |
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| thafreak | Also, anyone have recomendations for a pre-paid mobile broadband provider? | 16:45 |
| dzho | tmo doesn't do prepaird. at&t does prepaid. verizon does prepaid. dunno about sprint. | 16:54 |
| dzho | derp | 16:54 |
| toddc | sprint does and has likley the best unlimited data plan | 16:55 |
| jandrusk | Yes, I have been on the sprint plan and do like it. Just need to get a better phone. | 16:56 |
| dzho | fsvo 'best' | 16:56 |
| toddc | Verizion was faster when I tested it last fall and had better coverage but I had issues with verizion | 16:56 |
| dzho | yeah, the coverage disparity is what gives me pause | 16:56 |
| dzho | I've been told Sprint will offer free roaming, which could help a lot | 16:57 |
| toddc | yep | 16:57 |
| dzho | further, and this was in regard to phones, I don't know about USB dongles or access points, but if you can force your phone to roam if there's a spot with weak-but-existent Sprint coverage but good vzw coverage, you can pick up the good vzw coverage | 16:58 |
| dzho | some phones could do this, some not | 16:58 |
| toddc | data speeds were faster with verizion stock 3g than sprint 3g but I uncapped the sprint and am real happy right now plus sprint allows usb teather | 17:00 |
| toddc | I hear Virgin has a 35.00 phone/data plan and wallmart does to but it depends on how much data you need since they have limits on data | 17:02 |
| dzho | those are cdma or gsm? | 17:10 |
| toddc | most are cmda sprint is now so you need a different phone for sprint | 17:13 |
| toddc | edit sprint is not cmda | 17:13 |
| toddc | just read wikipedia and it looks like sprint is CMDA and iDEN I just know that my old verizion phone would not work on sprint's network | 17:22 |
| canthus13 | thafreak: I'm sorta here. | 17:29 |
| thafreak | don't want phone...just broadband for laptop...and don't want a monthly plan, as i rarely need it (almost always near wifi) | 17:34 |
| thafreak | but I'm taking a trip to florida...and I know there won't be wifi...so need to plan ahead | 17:34 |
| thafreak | verizon wants like $80 for 1gb of data prepaid...lame | 17:34 |
| canthus13 | thafreak: Virgin has (had?) a 5gb plan. | 17:35 |
| canthus13 | and cheaper iirc. | 17:35 |
| thafreak | yeah, they're currently the front runner | 17:35 |
| paultag | jeez | 17:35 |
| paultag | 80 bucks for a gig? | 17:35 |
| thafreak | just trying to see if anyone else has experience with others | 17:35 |
| paultag | that's like crack prices | 17:35 |
| paultag | fucking wireless jackassesw | 17:35 |
| paultag | sed s/w$//g | 17:36 |
| thafreak | yep...it's cheaper for month to month...I think you get 5gb for $80 w/contract | 17:36 |
| thafreak | it's all crap... | 17:36 |
| thafreak | but i'm not about to pay every month for something i use a few times a year realistically | 17:36 |
| paultag | counting a gig is 1024, that's 12.8 bucks / meg | 17:36 |
| paultag | feel good about that? | 17:37 |
| paultag | wait, that can't be right | 17:37 |
| paultag | fucking math | 17:37 |
| paultag | ok, 7 cents a meg | 17:37 |
| paultag | still sucks | 17:37 |
| paultag | that's huge | 17:37 |
| thafreak | yep | 17:38 |
| paultag | that's like a dollar for a decent image | 17:38 |
| paultag | couple of bucks for an apt-get get | 17:38 |
| thafreak | haha yeah exactly | 17:38 |
| thafreak | i'll find a local starbucks for all my apt-get'ing | 17:39 |
| paultag | that's what I'm doing now | 17:39 |
| paultag | and where I'm at | 17:39 |
| thafreak | ssh would even add up though | 17:39 |
| paultag | ++ | 17:39 |
| paultag | thafreak: dude, lib[ansiescape|shibuya] are looking good | 17:40 |
| thafreak | canthus13: the main question I had is I want to see my home wifi network as an attacker would...what tools should I use to see what they can see? | 17:40 |
| paultag | they work | 17:40 |
| thafreak | awesome | 17:40 |
| thafreak | you tested them over ssh yet? | 17:40 |
| paultag | thafreak: yep | 17:40 |
| paultag | thafreak: work great | 17:40 |
| thafreak | cool | 17:40 |
| paultag | it's going to be how it helps me most | 17:40 |
| paultag | I can have a "window manager" in a screen session on my server | 17:40 |
| thafreak | that'd be pretty slick... | 17:41 |
| thafreak | screen based ide | 17:41 |
| paultag | thafreak: it works fairly well with vim | 17:41 |
| thafreak | vim in one pane, debugger in another | 17:41 |
| paultag | has some very minor color issues with mutt | 17:41 |
| paultag | thafreak: yep! it works super well | 17:41 |
| paultag | I just need to implement the tree-based tiling storage stuff | 17:42 |
| paultag | then different "views" of the tree | 17:42 |
| paultag | then dbus applets and apps | 17:42 |
| paultag | and popups and such | 17:42 |
| paultag | god, freshman are insufurable | 17:43 |
| paultag | little assholes sitting next to me at starbucks | 17:43 |
| thafreak | hs or college freshman? | 17:43 |
| paultag | college | 17:44 |
| paultag | hs freshman are cute and lovable | 17:44 |
| thafreak | and it starts... | 17:44 |
| thafreak | paultag bitches about politics and freshman...you're joining the old man club early | 17:44 |
| paultag | thafreak: dude, don't remind me | 17:44 |
| paultag | thafreak: I also took a shine to nice scotch | 17:44 |
| thafreak | haha | 17:44 |
| paultag | so my friends all mock me for being old | 17:44 |
| thafreak | well, until you drink black coffee with cheeseburgers at mcdonalds, you're not in the senior group yet | 17:45 |
| thafreak | that's how i measure things atleast | 17:45 |
| * paultag looks down and shuffles the dirt | 17:45 | |
| thafreak | the other day though, I actually had pizza with black coffee :( | 17:45 |
| paultag | I did the only time I've gone there | 17:45 |
| paultag | recently that iz | 17:46 |
| thafreak | whoa...you have like progeria | 17:46 |
| paultag | I also enjoy smooth jazz and classical | 17:46 |
| thafreak | that's the one where people prematurely age right? | 17:46 |
| paultag | game over | 17:46 |
| paultag | I think | 17:46 |
| paultag | thafreak: brb, need to walk back to work | 17:46 |
| thafreak | you're gonna midlife out like next week... | 17:46 |
| thafreak | kk | 17:46 |
| thafreak | canthus13: i tried using wireshark while connected to my wlan, but didn't really see anything... | 17:47 |
| thafreak | I thought it'd act like a hub and everything gets broadcast...but maybe I'm "doing it wrong" | 17:47 |
| thafreak | Thought maybe you'd have some tips/pointers to docs about how to do it | 17:48 |
| thafreak | i'd like to see both from some one trying to break in's perspective, as well as say a malicious user that's actually on my wpa2 net...like they guessed my psk or something crazy | 17:49 |
| canthus13 | WIreless traffic? | 17:49 |
| thafreak | yeah | 17:49 |
| canthus13 | It's encrypted. | 17:49 |
| thafreak | i thought anyone on the same wifi network could see anything happening? | 17:50 |
| canthus13 | But ti does look like a broadcast... Umm.. securitytube has an amazing primer on wireless sniffing. | 17:50 |
| canthus13 | Anyone with a wireless card in monitor mode can do it. | 17:50 |
| canthus13 | I routinely play iwth all the wireless traffic in my neighborhood. | 17:50 |
| thafreak | i did that, and didn't see anything i could make sense of | 17:50 |
| thafreak | saw just a bunch of management frames...didn't know which ones had data in them...and didn't see anything with like mac addresses or anything i could identify | 17:51 |
| thafreak | like I wanted to see what my tablet is doing...from some one malicious' point of view | 17:51 |
| canthus13 | Wireshark should filter for it pretty well. | 17:51 |
| canthus13 | thafreak: http://www.securitytube.net/groups?operation=view&groupId=9 <- once you get used to the dude's accent, he's a pretty good teacher. | 17:53 |
| thafreak | beh, he talks way better than the grad students I've had to listen to | 17:54 |
| canthus13 | Heh. | 17:54 |
| thafreak | that's the kind of primer i was looking for...thanks...figured you'd know | 17:55 |
| canthus13 | No problem. :) | 17:55 |
| thafreak | ordered one of those alfa wireless adapters ;) | 18:09 |
| canthus13 | thafreak: It's *NICE*. | 18:09 |
| canthus13 | You got the right one, right? | 18:09 |
| canthus13 | there are two similar ones.. the N version (2 watts) doesn't work real well with aircrack. | 18:10 |
| thafreak | Alfa AWUS036H 1000mW 1W 802.11b/g | 18:10 |
| canthus13 | Ok. that's it. :) | 18:10 |
| * canthus13 has one with 2 antennae. | 18:10 | |
| thafreak | cool... | 18:10 |
| thafreak | wireless N isn't really impressing me anyway | 18:10 |
| canthus13 | One 7 inch antenna and a little directional panel antenna. | 18:10 |
| thafreak | with my new router I do get much better coverage, but not that fast of speeds...meh, i hardly use it anyway | 18:11 |
| thafreak | mainly just tablet...and the wii is wireless | 18:11 |
| thafreak | sometimes my laptop...but only when i'm too lazy to pull out the long cable | 18:11 |
| * canthus13 nods. | 18:13 | |
| canthus13 | I use it for my laptops... Easier than running even more Cat5. | 18:14 |
| toddc | agrees and new n routers with internal antennas failed my uses and went back to g with external ant for routers and when I scan I use a usb with a external 9db antenna | 18:18 |
| thafreak | http://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/geek-nerd/if-it-were-easy | 18:23 |
| paultag | hahahaha | 18:25 |
| paultag | whoh, wait a skitch | 18:25 |
| paultag | why do I have +v and jrgifford doesn't | 18:25 |
| paultag | should be ! that | 18:25 |
| paultag | Cheri703: task for you when you become alive :) | 18:26 |
| paultag | Cheri703: for your scrollback: 18:25 <+paultag> why do I have +v and jrgifford doesn't (it should be the inverse of that) | 18:27 |
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