[16:41] <thafreak> canthus13: you around? you been quiet...I had some wifi security questions for you if you're around
[16:45] <thafreak> Also, anyone have recomendations for a pre-paid mobile broadband provider?
[16:54] <dzho> tmo doesn't do prepaird.  at&t does prepaid.  verizon does prepaid.  dunno about sprint.
[16:54] <dzho> derp
[16:55] <toddc> sprint does and has likley the best unlimited data plan
[16:56] <jandrusk> Yes, I have been on the sprint plan and do like it. Just need to get a better phone.
[16:56] <dzho> fsvo 'best'
[16:56] <toddc> Verizion was faster when I tested it last fall and had better coverage but I had issues with verizion
[16:56] <dzho> yeah, the coverage disparity is what gives me pause
[16:57] <dzho> I've been told Sprint will offer free roaming, which could help a lot
[16:57] <toddc> yep
[16:58] <dzho> further, and this was in regard to phones, I don't know about USB dongles or access points, but if you can force your phone to roam if there's a spot with weak-but-existent Sprint coverage but good vzw coverage, you can pick up the good vzw coverage
[16:58] <dzho> some phones could do this, some not
[17:00] <toddc> data speeds were faster with verizion stock 3g than sprint 3g but I uncapped the sprint and am real happy right now plus sprint allows usb teather
[17:02] <toddc> I hear Virgin has a 35.00 phone/data plan and wallmart does to but it depends on how much data you need since they have limits on data
[17:10] <dzho> those are cdma or gsm?
[17:13] <toddc> most are cmda sprint is now so you need a different phone for sprint
[17:13] <toddc> edit sprint is not cmda
[17:22] <toddc> just read wikipedia and it looks like sprint is CMDA and iDEN I just know that my old verizion phone would not work on sprint's network
[17:29] <canthus13> thafreak: I'm sorta here.
[17:34] <thafreak> don't want phone...just broadband for laptop...and don't want a monthly plan, as i rarely need it (almost always near wifi)
[17:34] <thafreak> but I'm taking a trip to florida...and I know there won't be wifi...so need to plan ahead
[17:34] <thafreak> verizon wants like $80 for 1gb of data prepaid...lame
[17:35] <canthus13> thafreak: Virgin has (had?) a 5gb plan.
[17:35] <canthus13> and cheaper iirc.
[17:35] <thafreak> yeah, they're currently the front runner
[17:35] <paultag> jeez
[17:35] <paultag> 80 bucks for a gig?
[17:35] <thafreak> just trying to see if anyone else has experience with others
[17:35] <paultag> that's like crack prices
[17:35] <paultag> fucking wireless jackassesw
[17:36] <paultag> sed s/w$//g
[17:36] <thafreak> yep...it's cheaper for month to month...I think you get 5gb for $80 w/contract
[17:36] <thafreak> it's all crap...
[17:36] <thafreak> but i'm not about to pay every month for something i use a few times a year realistically
[17:36] <paultag> counting a gig is 1024, that's 12.8 bucks / meg
[17:37] <paultag> feel good about that?
[17:37] <paultag> wait, that can't be right
[17:37] <paultag> fucking math
[17:37] <paultag> ok, 7 cents a meg
[17:37] <paultag> still sucks
[17:37] <paultag> that's huge
[17:38] <thafreak> yep
[17:38] <paultag> that's like a dollar for a decent image
[17:38] <paultag> couple of bucks for an apt-get get
[17:38] <thafreak> haha yeah exactly
[17:39] <thafreak> i'll find a local starbucks for all my apt-get'ing
[17:39] <paultag> that's what I'm doing now
[17:39] <paultag> and where I'm at
[17:39] <thafreak> ssh would even add up though
[17:39] <paultag> ++
[17:40] <paultag> thafreak: dude, lib[ansiescape|shibuya] are looking good
[17:40] <thafreak> canthus13: the main question I had is I want to see my home wifi network as an attacker would...what tools should I use to see what they can see?
[17:40] <paultag> they work
[17:40] <thafreak> awesome
[17:40] <thafreak> you tested them over ssh yet?
[17:40] <paultag> thafreak: yep
[17:40] <paultag> thafreak: work great
[17:40] <thafreak> cool
[17:40] <paultag> it's going to be how it helps me most
[17:40] <paultag> I can have a "window manager" in a screen session on my server
[17:41] <thafreak> that'd be pretty slick...
[17:41] <thafreak> screen based ide
[17:41] <paultag> thafreak: it works fairly well with vim
[17:41] <thafreak> vim in one pane, debugger in another
[17:41] <paultag> has some very minor color issues with mutt
[17:41] <paultag> thafreak: yep! it works super well
[17:42] <paultag> I just need to implement the tree-based tiling storage stuff
[17:42] <paultag> then different "views" of the tree
[17:42] <paultag> then dbus applets and apps
[17:42] <paultag> and popups and such
[17:43] <paultag> god, freshman are insufurable
[17:43] <paultag> little assholes sitting next to me at starbucks
[17:43] <thafreak> hs or college freshman?
[17:44] <paultag> college
[17:44] <paultag> hs freshman are cute and lovable
[17:44] <thafreak> and it starts...
[17:44] <thafreak> paultag bitches about politics and freshman...you're joining the old man club early
[17:44] <paultag> thafreak: dude, don't remind me
[17:44] <paultag> thafreak: I also took a shine to nice scotch
[17:44] <thafreak> haha
[17:44] <paultag> so my friends all mock me for being old
[17:45] <thafreak> well, until you drink black coffee with cheeseburgers at mcdonalds, you're not in the senior group yet
[17:45] <thafreak> that's how i measure things atleast
[17:45]  * paultag looks down and shuffles the dirt
[17:45] <thafreak> the other day though, I actually had pizza with black coffee :(
[17:45] <paultag> I did the only time I've gone there
[17:46] <paultag> recently that iz
[17:46] <thafreak> whoa...you have like progeria
[17:46] <paultag> I also enjoy smooth jazz and classical
[17:46] <thafreak> that's the one where people prematurely age right?
[17:46] <paultag> game over
[17:46] <paultag> I think
[17:46] <paultag> thafreak: brb, need to walk back to work
[17:46] <thafreak> you're gonna midlife out like next week...
[17:46] <thafreak> kk
[17:47] <thafreak> canthus13: i tried using wireshark while connected to my wlan, but didn't really see anything...
[17:47] <thafreak> I thought it'd act like a hub and everything gets broadcast...but maybe I'm "doing it wrong"
[17:48] <thafreak> Thought maybe you'd have some tips/pointers to docs about how to do it
[17:49] <thafreak> i'd like to see both from some one trying to break in's perspective, as well as say a malicious user that's actually on my wpa2 net...like they guessed my psk or something crazy
[17:49] <canthus13> WIreless traffic?
[17:49] <thafreak> yeah
[17:49] <canthus13> It's encrypted.
[17:50] <thafreak> i thought anyone on the same wifi network could see anything happening?
[17:50] <canthus13> But ti does look like a broadcast... Umm.. securitytube has an amazing primer on wireless sniffing.
[17:50] <canthus13> Anyone with a wireless card in monitor mode can do it.
[17:50] <canthus13> I routinely play iwth all the wireless traffic in my neighborhood.
[17:50] <thafreak> i did that, and didn't see anything i could make sense of
[17:51] <thafreak> saw just a bunch of management frames...didn't know which ones had data in them...and didn't see anything with like mac addresses or anything i could identify
[17:51] <thafreak> like I wanted to see what my tablet is doing...from some one malicious' point of view
[17:51] <canthus13> Wireshark should filter for it pretty well.
[17:53] <canthus13> thafreak: http://www.securitytube.net/groups?operation=view&groupId=9 <- once you get used to the dude's accent, he's a pretty good teacher.
[17:54] <thafreak> beh, he talks way better than the grad students I've had to listen to
[17:54] <canthus13> Heh.
[17:55] <thafreak> that's the kind of primer i was looking for...thanks...figured you'd know
[17:55] <canthus13> No problem. :)
[18:09] <thafreak> ordered one of those alfa wireless adapters ;)
[18:09] <canthus13> thafreak: It's *NICE*.
[18:09] <canthus13> You got the right one, right?
[18:10] <canthus13> there are two similar ones.. the N version (2 watts) doesn't work real well with aircrack.
[18:10] <thafreak> Alfa AWUS036H 1000mW 1W 802.11b/g
[18:10] <canthus13> Ok. that's it. :)
[18:10]  * canthus13 has one with 2 antennae.
[18:10] <thafreak> cool...
[18:10] <thafreak> wireless N isn't really impressing me anyway
[18:10] <canthus13> One 7 inch antenna and a little directional panel antenna.
[18:11] <thafreak> with my new router I do get much better coverage, but not that fast of speeds...meh, i hardly use it anyway
[18:11] <thafreak> mainly just tablet...and the wii is wireless
[18:11] <thafreak> sometimes my laptop...but only when i'm too lazy to pull out the long cable
[18:13]  * canthus13 nods.
[18:14] <canthus13> I use it for my laptops... Easier than  running even more Cat5.
[18:18] <toddc> agrees and new n routers with internal antennas failed my uses and went back to g with external ant for routers and when I scan I use a usb with a external 9db antenna
[18:23] <thafreak> http://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/geek-nerd/if-it-were-easy
[18:25] <paultag> hahahaha
[18:25] <paultag> whoh, wait a skitch
[18:25] <paultag> why do I have +v and jrgifford doesn't
[18:25] <paultag> should be ! that
[18:26] <paultag> Cheri703: task for you when you become alive :)
[18:27] <paultag> Cheri703: for your scrollback: 18:25 <+paultag> why do I have +v and jrgifford doesn't (it should be the inverse of that)