[16:41] canthus13: you around? you been quiet...I had some wifi security questions for you if you're around [16:45] Also, anyone have recomendations for a pre-paid mobile broadband provider? [16:54] tmo doesn't do prepaird. at&t does prepaid. verizon does prepaid. dunno about sprint. [16:54] derp [16:55] sprint does and has likley the best unlimited data plan [16:56] Yes, I have been on the sprint plan and do like it. Just need to get a better phone. [16:56] fsvo 'best' [16:56] Verizion was faster when I tested it last fall and had better coverage but I had issues with verizion [16:56] yeah, the coverage disparity is what gives me pause [16:57] I've been told Sprint will offer free roaming, which could help a lot [16:57] yep [16:58] further, and this was in regard to phones, I don't know about USB dongles or access points, but if you can force your phone to roam if there's a spot with weak-but-existent Sprint coverage but good vzw coverage, you can pick up the good vzw coverage [16:58] some phones could do this, some not [17:00] data speeds were faster with verizion stock 3g than sprint 3g but I uncapped the sprint and am real happy right now plus sprint allows usb teather [17:02] I hear Virgin has a 35.00 phone/data plan and wallmart does to but it depends on how much data you need since they have limits on data [17:10] those are cdma or gsm? [17:13] most are cmda sprint is now so you need a different phone for sprint [17:13] edit sprint is not cmda [17:22] just read wikipedia and it looks like sprint is CMDA and iDEN I just know that my old verizion phone would not work on sprint's network [17:29] thafreak: I'm sorta here. [17:34] don't want phone...just broadband for laptop...and don't want a monthly plan, as i rarely need it (almost always near wifi) [17:34] but I'm taking a trip to florida...and I know there won't be wifi...so need to plan ahead [17:34] verizon wants like $80 for 1gb of data prepaid...lame [17:35] thafreak: Virgin has (had?) a 5gb plan. [17:35] and cheaper iirc. [17:35] yeah, they're currently the front runner [17:35] jeez [17:35] 80 bucks for a gig? [17:35] just trying to see if anyone else has experience with others [17:35] that's like crack prices [17:35] fucking wireless jackassesw [17:36] sed s/w$//g [17:36] yep...it's cheaper for month to month...I think you get 5gb for $80 w/contract [17:36] it's all crap... [17:36] but i'm not about to pay every month for something i use a few times a year realistically [17:36] counting a gig is 1024, that's 12.8 bucks / meg [17:37] feel good about that? [17:37] wait, that can't be right [17:37] fucking math [17:37] ok, 7 cents a meg [17:37] still sucks [17:37] that's huge [17:38] yep [17:38] that's like a dollar for a decent image [17:38] couple of bucks for an apt-get get [17:38] haha yeah exactly [17:39] i'll find a local starbucks for all my apt-get'ing [17:39] that's what I'm doing now [17:39] and where I'm at [17:39] ssh would even add up though [17:39] ++ [17:40] thafreak: dude, lib[ansiescape|shibuya] are looking good [17:40] canthus13: the main question I had is I want to see my home wifi network as an attacker would...what tools should I use to see what they can see? [17:40] they work [17:40] awesome [17:40] you tested them over ssh yet? [17:40] thafreak: yep [17:40] thafreak: work great [17:40] cool [17:40] it's going to be how it helps me most [17:40] I can have a "window manager" in a screen session on my server [17:41] that'd be pretty slick... [17:41] screen based ide [17:41] thafreak: it works fairly well with vim [17:41] vim in one pane, debugger in another [17:41] has some very minor color issues with mutt [17:41] thafreak: yep! it works super well [17:42] I just need to implement the tree-based tiling storage stuff [17:42] then different "views" of the tree [17:42] then dbus applets and apps [17:42] and popups and such [17:43] god, freshman are insufurable [17:43] little assholes sitting next to me at starbucks [17:43] hs or college freshman? [17:44] college [17:44] hs freshman are cute and lovable [17:44] and it starts... [17:44] paultag bitches about politics and freshman...you're joining the old man club early [17:44] thafreak: dude, don't remind me [17:44] thafreak: I also took a shine to nice scotch [17:44] haha [17:44] so my friends all mock me for being old [17:45] well, until you drink black coffee with cheeseburgers at mcdonalds, you're not in the senior group yet [17:45] that's how i measure things atleast [17:45] * paultag looks down and shuffles the dirt [17:45] the other day though, I actually had pizza with black coffee :( [17:45] I did the only time I've gone there [17:46] recently that iz [17:46] whoa...you have like progeria [17:46] I also enjoy smooth jazz and classical [17:46] that's the one where people prematurely age right? [17:46] game over [17:46] I think [17:46] thafreak: brb, need to walk back to work [17:46] you're gonna midlife out like next week... [17:46] kk [17:47] canthus13: i tried using wireshark while connected to my wlan, but didn't really see anything... [17:47] I thought it'd act like a hub and everything gets broadcast...but maybe I'm "doing it wrong" [17:48] Thought maybe you'd have some tips/pointers to docs about how to do it [17:49] i'd like to see both from some one trying to break in's perspective, as well as say a malicious user that's actually on my wpa2 net...like they guessed my psk or something crazy [17:49] WIreless traffic? [17:49] yeah [17:49] It's encrypted. [17:50] i thought anyone on the same wifi network could see anything happening? [17:50] But ti does look like a broadcast... Umm.. securitytube has an amazing primer on wireless sniffing. [17:50] Anyone with a wireless card in monitor mode can do it. [17:50] I routinely play iwth all the wireless traffic in my neighborhood. [17:50] i did that, and didn't see anything i could make sense of [17:51] saw just a bunch of management frames...didn't know which ones had data in them...and didn't see anything with like mac addresses or anything i could identify [17:51] like I wanted to see what my tablet is doing...from some one malicious' point of view [17:51] Wireshark should filter for it pretty well. [17:53] thafreak: http://www.securitytube.net/groups?operation=view&groupId=9 <- once you get used to the dude's accent, he's a pretty good teacher. [17:54] beh, he talks way better than the grad students I've had to listen to [17:54] Heh. [17:55] that's the kind of primer i was looking for...thanks...figured you'd know [17:55] No problem. :) [18:09] ordered one of those alfa wireless adapters ;) [18:09] thafreak: It's *NICE*. [18:09] You got the right one, right? [18:10] there are two similar ones.. the N version (2 watts) doesn't work real well with aircrack. [18:10] Alfa AWUS036H 1000mW 1W 802.11b/g [18:10] Ok. that's it. :) [18:10] * canthus13 has one with 2 antennae. [18:10] cool... [18:10] wireless N isn't really impressing me anyway [18:10] One 7 inch antenna and a little directional panel antenna. [18:11] with my new router I do get much better coverage, but not that fast of speeds...meh, i hardly use it anyway [18:11] mainly just tablet...and the wii is wireless [18:11] sometimes my laptop...but only when i'm too lazy to pull out the long cable [18:13] * canthus13 nods. [18:14] I use it for my laptops... Easier than running even more Cat5. [18:18] agrees and new n routers with internal antennas failed my uses and went back to g with external ant for routers and when I scan I use a usb with a external 9db antenna [18:23] http://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/geek-nerd/if-it-were-easy [18:25] hahahaha [18:25] whoh, wait a skitch [18:25] why do I have +v and jrgifford doesn't [18:25] should be ! that [18:26] Cheri703: task for you when you become alive :) [18:27] Cheri703: for your scrollback: 18:25 <+paultag> why do I have +v and jrgifford doesn't (it should be the inverse of that)