[02:04] <Riddell> well 9 merges from KDE done, only 63 to go
[09:42] <jussi> bah, kmail/kontact sucks :(
[09:43] <jussi> I wish I could get my gcals into the darned thing...
[09:49] <valorie> jussi, kmail won't even start for me
[09:49] <valorie> :(
[09:49] <valorie> i miss it a lot
[10:00] <jussi> valorie: it strats then gives a message it needs to cloase?
[10:01] <skfin> I miss kmail too :(
[10:02] <valorie> in my case, it says something about mail-agent or something
[10:02] <skfin> I use it in my desktop too
[10:02] <skfin> *-roo
[10:02] <skfin> *-too
[10:02] <valorie> I used it from mandrake on
[10:02] <skfin> But for laptop akonadi is too buggy
[10:02] <jussi> valorie: yes, this one? KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now.
[10:02] <jussi> The error was:
[10:02] <jussi> Failed to fetch the resource collection.
[10:02] <valorie> exactly
[10:02] <valorie> same on my netbook
[10:02] <jussi> valorie: thats fixable
[10:02] <valorie> brand new install in both cases
[10:03] <valorie> thunderbird is soooo bad
[10:03] <valorie> I'm thinking of learning how to use mutt again
[10:03] <valorie> and I hate mutt
[10:03] <valorie> so ugly
[10:03] <jussi> valorie: go to akonadi configuration, local folders, modify, then add this path: /home/<USER>/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/
[10:03] <skfin> I find that thunderbird is ok...
[10:04] <valorie> it is maddeningly slow for me, skfin
[10:04] <valorie> like -- a whole minute to view an email
[10:04] <valorie> horrible
[10:04] <skfin> Kmail is a lot slower for me
[10:04] <valorie> jussi, where is akonadi config?
[10:04] <jussi> valorie: in kmeni...
[10:04] <valorie> oh god, I'm doomed to MUTT!
[10:05] <jussi> kmeni
[10:05] <jussi> kmenu even...
[10:05] <valorie> systemsettings?
[10:05] <jussi> no
[10:06] <valorie> got it
[10:06] <jussi> ok
[10:07] <valorie> ok done, but why isn't that already set by default at startup?
[10:08] <jussi> I dont know :/
[10:08] <valorie> bizarre
[10:09] <valorie> I mean, what else would it be?
[10:10] <valorie> hmmm, why does it want api.opendesktop.org?
[10:10] <valorie> so strange
[10:10] <valorie> There seems to be a problem in reaching this server or choosing a safe way to sent the credentials to server. We advise you to check the settings of the account and adjust it manually if needed.
[10:10] <valorie> for gmail
[10:10] <valorie> I dunno......
[10:11] <valorie> now I think it's frozen
[10:17] <jussi> valorie: hows it going? 
[10:18] <valorie> it said it's all set up
[10:18] <jussi> I still cant get my gcal things to work...
[10:18] <valorie> however, since I have about one billion emails in gmail, I sorta doubt that
[10:19] <valorie> but since my taskbar is telling me I need to restart, I probably should shut down once I finish reading up my important channels
[10:21] <jussi> Sigh... :(
[10:22] <valorie> is your cal not importing, or what?
[10:22] <valorie> would be lovely to have all of PIM working
[10:22] <valorie> I've never had that
[10:23]  * valorie would love a pure KDE desktop
[10:26] <skfin> It would be awesome if KDE had a good browser and akonadi wouldn't be such a resource hog, then I could use pure KDE desktop
[10:28] <jussi> it would be awesome if kontact actually worked...
[10:29] <skfin> Rekonq is promising but a way too buggy for regular use.
[10:29] <skfin> And it lacks many features
[10:31] <skfin> Page load times are slow too, I wonder why, because my reference QWebKit browser loaded same pages quicker
[10:32] <debfx> just use firefox or chromium, both have reasonable kde integration
[10:32] <jussi> chromium <3
[10:33] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dragonplayer/+bug/893941
[15:22] <Tm_T> anyone here has upgraded from 10.10 to 11.10?
[15:23] <Riddell> that's not supported
[15:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm well aware(:
[15:57] <muntiKubu> 4.7.80 -> 4.8 B1 I'm guessing to be in PP soon?
[15:58] <Riddell> I'm doing 4.7.3 merges before doing 4.7.80
[16:01] <muntiKubu> so those are the bunch of updates yesterday?  I thought they were 4.8's.  thanks but will hold/wait.
[16:05] <Andy80> hello guys
[16:05] <Andy80> is anyone of you already working on experimental Qt5 packages for Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[16:24] <yofel> Riddell: something's not right here: http://paste.kde.org/149954 multiarch?
[16:37] <debfx> yofel: yep, bug #893826
[16:37] <yofel> k, thanks
[16:51] <debfx> hm looks like we need to multiarch'ify phonon: bug #893170
[16:55] <Riddell> Andy80: no, I don't think qt 5 is at a stage where it's worth doing that yet
[16:56] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, "LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt' is different from the same file on the system" that's not an error I've seen before
[16:56] <yofel> see the bug debfx has pointed to
[16:57] <Riddell> mm
[16:57] <Riddell> debfx: maybe no bad thing to multiarchify phonon
[16:59] <Andy80> Riddell: it's not stable nor very usable at the moment, but I'd like to give it a try and see if Unity-2D can already run on it and how many changes do we need to make it work with Qt5
[17:16] <Riddell> Andy80: I think we'll be too busy for a while in Kubuntu to make any qt 5 packages
[17:17] <Andy80> Riddell: I asked mainly to avoid duplicate work :) I was going to do it, but someone suggested me to ask here before starting this task. I'll keep you updated if I make any progress :)
[17:25] <Riddell> Andy80: thanks
[18:33] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[19:20] <afiestas> apachelogger: pong
[19:31] <BarkingFish> ping :)
[19:31] <BarkingFish> Anyone here have kdenlive installed on their systems? If so, does it work correctly?
[19:32] <BarkingFish> My install is persistently dying, saying that mlt's SDL module is missing, which is fatal.  This problem surfaced previously, back in natty, but it got fixed.  
[19:33] <BarkingFish> I know it got fixed, I had kdenlive working perfectly until i had to downgrade KDE back to 4.6.2 about a week ago
[19:58] <apachelogger> afiestas: who is doing solid mentor stuff for code-in?
[19:58] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7127224
[19:59] <apachelogger> afiestas: turns out this is really an issue in solid as dragon already tries to inhibit screen saving but it aint working
[19:59] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/150128/
[19:59] <apachelogger> the latin1ness of it is truly terrific btw
[20:01] <Riddell> bambee: do you remember why you added kubuntu_123_disable_remote_widgets_browser.diff to kde-workspace ?
[20:01] <Riddell> oh something to do with libkdeclarative
[20:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: it was broken
[20:14] <bambee> Riddell: there is not a comment ?
[20:15] <bambee> usually, everytime I add a patch I add at least one comment..
[20:17] <Riddell> says waiting until libkdeclarative can be linked to statically
[20:24] <apachelogger> static linking
[20:24] <apachelogger> eeew
[20:31] <BarkingFish> what in the name of mike has happened to libsdl1.2?
[20:31] <BarkingFish> i've now got some weird debian thing with about 10 options, and with all of them installed, kdenlive *still* won't run.
[20:37] <afiestas> apachelogger: have to go to home now, brb in 15min
[20:45] <Riddell> BarkingFish: I guess nobody here knows
[20:47] <BarkingFish> Riddell: that's pretty unfortunate.  I know the problem went away when I was running the proposed updates PPAs, but since the issues with 4.7.3 and my downgrading to 4.7.2, everything's gone pie eyed again.
[20:48] <BarkingFish> I have every conceivable SDL package I can install on here, it's only since the changes I see from libsdl to the debian libsdl - for some reason now, mlt / kdenlive simply aren't picking the new package up
[20:51] <yofel> BarkingFish: wait, you're getting the MLT error? That needs a newer kdenlive than oneiric has
[20:51] <BarkingFish> yofel: it shouldn't do.  I was running kdenlive perfectly well until I downgraded to 4.7.2 last week :)
[20:52] <BarkingFish> unless the newer version is in one of the PPA's I took off when 4.7.3 broke my kit
[20:52] <yofel> BarkingFish: well, because the ppa has an updated kdenlive too...
[20:52] <BarkingFish> i don't mind the PPAs being on, as long as they don't break KDE when I use them
[20:52] <yofel> enable the PPA -> only update kdenlive -> disable ppa
[20:53] <BarkingFish> i also had the proposed updates in my sources, and various others I stopped using.
[20:53] <BarkingFish> if KDE 4.7.3 wasn't busted, I'd continue quite willingly to use all of them
[20:56] <BarkingFish> yofel: can I check, which PPA are you referring to, that I need to enable?
[20:57] <BarkingFish> i've just added the proposed updates source back to apper
[20:57] <yofel> BarkingFish: right, kubuntu-ppa/ppa has it (0.8+svn5945-1~oneiric1~ppa1)
[20:57] <BarkingFish> great, thanks :)
[21:06] <BarkingFish> yofel - I've got it now. I'm just pulling kdenlive and the -data file off of the PPA, I'll see how I get on after this
[21:07] <BarkingFish> unfortunately I now have apper bugging me about 359 new updates I need to do, and a whole set of 4.7.3 things I don't want :)
[21:14] <BarkingFish> one thing bugs me though - if you have a working version of kdenlive, which functions correctly without errors, why isn't it on general release to the whole of oneiric?  Can't you file a... what do they call it... an SRU?
[21:15] <BarkingFish> if the package in oneiric is bust, surely you can redistribute the working version without people subscribing to a ppa to get it
[21:17] <yofel> someone can put it into -backports, for the SRU you would need to get someone that finds the actual commit that fixed this
[21:17] <Riddell> agateau: I don't suppose you know if we should care about kubuntu_discard_actions_when_using_ayatana.diff patch in kde-runtime?  it doesn't apply but there's nothing in our changelog about if we wanted to remove it
[21:18] <BarkingFish> yofel - so would finding the commit be a difficult process, or would it be something that a relative kube-newb like me could handle?
[21:18] <yofel> no idea, I didn't try
[21:18] <yofel> it was fixed upstream - so you'll have to search there
[21:19] <BarkingFish> ah, well I have kdenlive's channel, I'll see if any of their devs are about, or how to contact them
[21:21] <Riddell> hola toscalix 
[21:25] <toscalix> hola
[21:25] <toscalix> Riddell: hola
[21:28] <Quintasan> ARGH
[21:28] <Quintasan> Android really sucks sometimes and I have no luck running Kubuntu on top of Transformer
[21:28] <Quintasan> Cursed CrOS kernel
[21:29] <Quintasan> Hmm, more like cursed Asus GPT hacks
[21:31] <Quintasan> BarkingFish: SRU upload should contain only the minimal set of changes required to fix the issue, we could either put new version in backports or just cherry-pick the upstream patches that fix the issue and request SRU
[21:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Sill no luck with the CrOS kernel, lilstevie told me one can boot it off an sdcard but I do not have a spare one with me atm and I am broke :(((
[21:32]  * Quintasan curses his budget
[21:33] <Quintasan> or, more precisely - no budget
[21:33] <BarkingFish> Quintasan: The second option sounds like the best idea - it seems silly to have a live version busted, and a working one held back for people to find if they ask about it :)
[21:34] <Quintasan> BarkingFish: Then I think you could ask upstream what how long ago the issue was fixed (or even better, ask them for the exact commit) and try looking for the code changed and create a patch
[21:34] <Quintasan> Do the packaging magic and ask us to review and upload :)
[21:35] <BarkingFish> i've requested contact from one of the kdenlive devs in #kdenlive, so as soon as I can raise one and find where the commit was that fixed it, i'll sort it out
[21:35] <BarkingFish> it appears most are probably asleep now, it's approaching 11pm in Europe
[21:35] <BarkingFish> i'll try and catch them again in the morning
[21:36] <Quintasan> I though IT specialist work during night and sleep in the morning :P
[21:36]  * Quintasan is studying right now
[21:36] <Quintasan> I presume they are out of caffeine :D
[21:36]  * Quintasan goes to grab some tea
[21:41] <BarkingFish> thankfully, I don't have that problem.  I'm never out of coffee.  If I woke up in the morning without coffee, it'd be an unpleasant day... for everyone else :)
[21:42] <yofel> BarkingFish: btw. the bug for this was bug 863186 - use it for the SRU (and read the sru procedure)
[21:44] <BarkingFish> ok, I'll do that probably in the morning, I'm on a slow net connection here atm, and can just about hang on to IRC :)
[21:53] <Quintasan> yofel, So, will you be up for setting up this Tracks thingy?
[21:53] <yofel> Quintasan: sounds interesting enough for to give it a try, but as I said, friday soonest
[21:54] <yofel> *for me
[21:54] <Quintasan> Cool, I do not really fancy using old version hosted God knows where
[21:55] <Quintasan> If something I can always rm -rf data from your PC ;P
[23:23] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Did you see http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2011/11/msg00096.html ?
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: I hadn't, thanks