[09:19] <FernandoMiguel> morning
[10:28] <FernandoMiguel> Unity noob question
[10:29] <FernandoMiguel> how do I MOVE an app window to another desktop ?
[10:29] <FernandoMiguel> I can't right click anywhere
[10:29] <FernandoMiguel> and ctrl+alt+side keys just jumps back
[10:37] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: I think you can configure keys to do that at CCSM -> Desktop Wall -> Bindings -> Move with window within wall
[10:37] <ior3k> however
[10:37] <ior3k> that only allows you to move windows relative to your current position
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel> looking
[10:38] <ior3k> the way I usually do it is by using the workspace switcher on the launcher
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel>  don't have that pluging even enable
[10:38] <ior3k> click that, and drag the window to the desktop you want
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel> ior3k: try maxing up an app
[10:38] <ior3k> really? I think unity enables that
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel> and have something to drag
[10:39] <FernandoMiguel> well, if unmaximized it , I can
[10:39] <FernandoMiguel> but don't see how to do it with maximized
[10:39] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: you can drag an app even if it's maximized
[10:39] <FernandoMiguel> fileing a bug
[10:39] <ior3k> click the workspace switcher, then click drag the window
[10:39] <FernandoMiguel> sure, but im not talking about dragging
[10:39] <FernandoMiguel> I'm talking about sending to another desktop
[10:40] <ior3k> right, that's what I meant
[10:40] <ior3k> when you click the workspace switcher, it shows all desktops, right?
[10:40] <FernandoMiguel> you do know I hate using mouse, right?
[10:40] <ior3k> hehe
[10:41] <ior3k> ok, I do it infrequently enough that it doesn't bother me, but I think there's a more involved solution
[10:41] <ior3k> (that I know of)
[10:41] <FernandoMiguel> bug I will
[10:41] <ior3k> which is to basically disable the desktop wall and enable the cube
[10:41] <FernandoMiguel> yah I have ecube
[10:41] <ior3k> ah, nice
[10:42] <ior3k> then you only need the "Rotate Cube" plugin
[10:42] <FernandoMiguel> doh
[10:42] <FernandoMiguel> dude I'm not making my self clear :(
[10:42] <FernandoMiguel> lets try again
[10:42] <FernandoMiguel> open firefox, maximize it
[10:42] <FernandoMiguel> NOW send it to the desktop on the right
[10:42] <FernandoMiguel> HOW?
[10:43] <FernandoMiguel> I used to ctrl+alt+right key
[10:43] <FernandoMiguel> or mouse right click the app bar and Send to Desktop Right
[10:43] <ior3k> the binding I see is <Shift><Control><Alt><Right>
[10:44] <ior3k> does that work for you?
[10:44] <FernandoMiguel> no
[10:44] <FernandoMiguel> it jumps back to the original one
[10:44] <FernandoMiguel> after I let go
[10:44] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: can you check "Rotate Cube" -> Bindings ?
[10:44] <ior3k> ah
[10:44] <FernandoMiguel> try it
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> I'm not saying its not there. I'm saying its not working
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> hence, me file bug, tarzan
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> unity or compiz?
[10:46] <ior3k> well, to be honest it worked for me
[10:46] <ior3k> but I used the grid binding to maximize the window
[10:46] <ior3k> so let me try the "official" way :)
[10:47] <ior3k> yup, worked
[10:47] <ior3k> so I guess that's a "rotate cube" bug
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> buh
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> that means it's not gonna be fixed
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> I won't file bugs on compiz
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> they just expire
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> where's amarath when I need him?
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> thanks for pitching in ior3k
[11:01] <ior3k> FernandoMiguel: np, sorry for having misread your problem
[11:02] <FernandoMiguel> no , it's me, not you . I can never make my self clear... and not always running ideal conditions
[12:37] <gogo_> hi...I read embedded video support has been added to USC...How can i watch video, I cant find an application with video
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:03] <coz_> BluesKaj,  hey guy :)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hi coz_
[14:04] <BluesKaj> coz_, testing 12.04 ?
[14:06] <coz_> BluesKaj,   no.. I decided to move back to Natty.. but I did test it briefly with kde
[14:07] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I have been disapointed with gnome's direction,, so kde is probably going to be my default from now on,, which of course means I have to relearn it :)
[14:08] <coz_> be back later
[14:09] <BluesKaj> coz_, yeah, I'm on Kubuntu 12.04, and so far so good
[16:19] <lgp171188> Hi, when I go to Software sources and try to enable 'Source code' repository, there is a prompt for root password and not the sudo password. Giving sudo password doesn't work. This could be a bug. Against which package to report this?
[16:19] <lgp171188> This is on a fresh install of Precise
[16:47] <lgp171188> Hi, I used ubuntu-bug tool to report a defect in Precise. After it sent the bug report to developers, it tried to open the browser, but failed with this error - "/usr/bin/xdg-open: 364: /usr/bin/xdg-open: gnome-open: not found". How to report my original bug and this bug?
[17:05] <saimanoj> Is the new patch of the Linux Kernel regarding ASPM problem is being added to precise?
[17:06] <saimanoj> hello everyone?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> ASPM problem?
[17:15] <saimanoj> yeah
[17:16] <saimanoj> power management is very poor till the latest patch in Linux Kernel
[17:16] <saimanoj> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_aspm_solution&num=1
[17:17] <saimanoj> please read this.
[17:17] <saimanoj> There are also bugs reported about power draining of laptops running on ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10.
[17:18] <Ian_Corne> it is known
[17:18] <saimanoj> The root of the problem is identified and solved by the provided patch to Linux Kernel
[17:18] <saimanoj> Is it coming with precise
[17:18] <Ian_Corne> nice
[17:19] <saimanoj> As the solution is released, is the patch added to the precise pangolin LTS?
[17:20] <saimanoj> Can some one please clarify me?
[17:21] <Pici> okay then.
[17:26] <Ian_Corne> quite pushy :p
[17:44] <bjsnider> that patch is coming
[17:44] <bjsnider> what kernel are you all using?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, uname -a here shows 3.1.0-2-generic
[18:19] <BluesKaj> but iI haven't rebooted since the last update which seems to have installed anew kernel 3.2 something
[18:40] <BluesKaj> ok , now that I'vce rebooted the new kernel is in use: 3.2.0-1-generic
[18:40] <bjsnider> i think the patch is in that kernel
[18:41] <BluesKaj> probly makes no diff here, not on a laptop
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-xmlpatterns_4%3a4.7.4-1ubuntu3_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-network_4%3a4.7.4-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtgui4_4%3a4.7.4-1ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> warning
[19:26] <Ian_Corne>  './usr/share/doc/libqt4-network/LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt' is different from the same file on the system
[19:26] <Ian_Corne> what does this even mean :p
[19:52] <genii-around> Ian_Corne: you can still install it by: sudo dpkg -i --exclude-path=/usr/share/doc/*  /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-xmlpatterns_4%3a4.7.4-1ubuntu3_i386.deb       and so on for the qt files it's saying that for
[19:53] <Ian_Corne> thanks
[19:54] <Ian_Corne> dpkg: error: unknown option --exclude-path=/usr/share/doc/*
[19:54] <Ian_Corne> or :p
[19:55] <Ian_Corne> it's --path-exclude :)
[19:58] <Ian_Corne> it's not that easy
[20:00] <Ian_Corne> just removed stuff in that folder :p
[20:00] <Ian_Corne> working now
[21:42] <FernandoMiguel> stupid question: assuming I have enough RAM can I paravirt two OSs and give 4GBs RAM to each to run side by side on the hiperviser?
[22:00] <penguin42> yes
[22:00] <penguin42> even if you don't have enough
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I'm going crazy... kernel 3.1 uses too much battery. 3.2 not only uses lot of bat, also heats too much
[22:02] <FernandoMiguel> I'm moments from installing windows again..... and either VB Ubuntu or para Virt it
[22:02] <penguin42> shrug - well you can either debug it or that's what you'll have to do
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> it's stupid sandybridge
[22:03] <FernandoMiguel> it's tooo new
[22:04] <penguin42> you could build and bisect to see where the heating comes in, if something older than 3.1 doesn't eat your battery you could also bisect
[22:04] <FernandoMiguel> humm
[22:05] <penguin42> sorry, no magic bullet
[22:06] <bjsnider> this is just a bad time, but eventualy snb should be great on pp
[22:06] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: The other trick is to find the guys doing the dev on it and follow their patches
[22:07] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: bjsnider where would that be?
[22:09] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I'd have a dig about lkml to see who is contributing stuff
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> il wait
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> cause if this keeps up, I'll just forget linux for another cycle
[22:13] <bjsnider> this is a realy bad time in pp i think
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: other than the DE, this power usage is my only serious problem
[22:14] <bjsnider> i thought it was fixed in 3.2
[22:14] <robin0800> bjsnider: bound to be I think a week away from alpha1
[22:14] <bjsnider> did you ax the kernel team about the power patch?
[22:15] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: penguin42: powertop http://paste.ubuntu.com/747590/
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> 20% of the CPU is in TurboBoost
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> the rest is at 800MHz
[22:16] <FernandoMiguel> is there a way I can limit the CPU max speed?
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> what's PowerTop _tunables_ for ?
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> oh great... just killed USB... and god know what else
[23:26] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Be careful - not everything powertop advises actually leaves stuff working!
[23:27] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[23:29] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: You sohuld be able to set the power governor so that on battery it doesn't use turbomode
[23:30] <Ian_Corne> FernandoMiguel: if you limit your cpu to 800mhz
[23:30] <Ian_Corne> you hinder it's race to idle too
[23:30] <Ian_Corne> be mindful
[23:30] <penguin42> I thought there were blunter ways of doing that
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/UUID/UUID.so: undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> ok? :p
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> that's on updating
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> seems like it didn't remove a package it needed
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> to remove
[23:35] <penguin42> There used to be a CPU thing for GNOME where you could select something like 'performance' 'battery life' 'normal' - can't remember what exactly it tweeked
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> you could also set the scaling
[23:38] <penguin42> ah found it
[23:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq  then pick one of those and echo it into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[23:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Also need to do it for all your cpus not just cpu0
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: that was gnome-applets
[23:41] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Yeh
[23:41] <FernandoMiguel> it's usually bad for the user to be controlling the scheduler
[23:42] <FernandoMiguel> we do bad work
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> I used to set my eee to max always
[23:42] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: It's only tweeking the big knob on the scheduler to tell it what you want it to do
[23:42] <FernandoMiguel> Ian_Corne: you are dumb
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> why?
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> ondemand is better
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> It improved battery life
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> if there are no kernel bugs, ofc
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOL
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> it did.
[23:43] <FernandoMiguel> how can it ?
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> race to idle!
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> ondemand is not instant scaling, so you're doing stuff at 800mhz sometiles
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> i found that if I kept it at 1.6ghz, the system ran smoother and I had 20 mintes extra battery life (on 5h)
[23:46] <FernandoMiguel> ok
[23:46] <FernandoMiguel> ill try that on mine
[23:46] <FernandoMiguel> have nothing to lose
[23:46] <FernandoMiguel> I think it raging  from 800 to Turboboos (at 2.9GHz)
[23:47] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Still, going to turbo is not a bad thing - I mean I wouldn't advise it on battery but in general that's what it's there for is to get speed
[23:47] <FernandoMiguel> I don't want speed
[23:47] <FernandoMiguel> 2x800 is more than enough
[23:48]  * penguin42 offers to swap FernandoMiguel's laptop for his Atom
[23:48] <FernandoMiguel> LOLOLOL
[23:48] <FernandoMiguel> why do you think I got a 2nd gen i5 ?
[23:48] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> FernandoMiguel: there's probably a big difference between my eee and your i5, mine doesn't have superturbohypermegaboost :p
[23:49] <FernandoMiguel> hehe
[23:49] <FernandoMiguel> my 1 week traded up sony vaio i3 neither
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> bleh vaio
[23:50] <FernandoMiguel> and it felt faster than this i5
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> I had an i5 (1e gen)
[23:50] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: DOes it have UltraUberZippo mode?
[23:50] <FernandoMiguel> I added another 4GBs to this dell and now its better
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> stupid prop. touchpad
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: yes!
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:50] <FernandoMiguel> I think the dual channel really makes a diff
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> I've got a lenovo thinkpad from work
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> i5
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> no idea if it's first or second gen tho
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> it feels very smooth
[23:51] <FernandoMiguel> does it have usb3?
[23:51] <FernandoMiguel> easy to tell :)
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> dunno
[23:53] <Ian_Corne> it's not near