[11:55] <Guest79020> hi
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:46]  * genii-around makes coffee
[16:10]  * BobJonkman craves a coffee from genii-around
[16:12]  * genii-around slides BobJonkman a very tasty and strongly brewed coffee, just cooled off enough to be perfect for drinking
[16:12]  * BobJonkman adulterates genii-around's excellent coffee by adding a dollop of cream
[16:12] <genii-around> :)
[16:13] <BobJonkman> "a dollop of cream" - what else is measured in dollops?
[16:14] <genii-around> Not sure.. but there are some interesting ways to measure stuff. My grandma always says like: 3 glugs of molasses   for recipes, etc
[16:15] <BobJonkman> Dollops are also for mud and fat men: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dollop
[16:15] <genii-around> Heh
[16:16] <BobJonkman> There's also "jiggers"
[16:16] <BobJonkman> distinct from "chiggers"
[16:17] <BobJonkman> Wouldn't want to get those two mixed up
[16:18]  * genii-around contemplates hogsheads and other quaint systems
[16:18] <BobJonkman> Sadly, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jigger doesn't have a definition as a unit of measure.
[16:18] <BobJonkman> As in "a jigger of rum"
[16:19] <genii-around> Probably some nautical cup size...
[16:19] <BobJonkman> I can see why "hogshead" fell out of favour.  Any time you try to measure something it would just pour out the eyes and nostrils
[16:20]  * BobJonkman should be getting back to work now
[16:20]  * BluesKaj tries to find documentation or a tutorial for a way in thru the bell pvr ethernet port
[16:21] <BobJonkman> BluesKaj: Looking to get an Internet connection through your satellite from the  PVR ethernet?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> jigger=1.5 ounces of liquor
[16:22]  * BobJonkman would hire BluesKaj for genii-around's coffee bar in a jiffy
[16:23] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Is it the pve plus?
[16:23] <genii-around> *pvr
[16:23] <BluesKaj> BobJonkman, I have a bell 9242 and would like to addit to the home network , TiVo style ..there's a site that promotes python scripts for running TiVos on a home network , but I can't find the equivalent for the Bell pvr
[16:24] <BobJonkman> So you just want to control the PVR or view the contents.
[16:25] <BobJonkman> Sadly, I have no experience with either Bell or PVRs
[16:26] <BobJonkman> It would be interesting to get an Internet connection using the PVR as a router to the satellite connection, though
[16:26] <BluesKaj> BobJonkman, yes, but mostly I'd like to be able to add or copy content back and forth between the networked pcs and the pvr ..but due to encryption I somehow doubt that's even feasable
[16:26] <BobJonkman> Likely, your PVR is locked up, and Bell holds the keys.
[16:26] <genii-around> I wonder if it uses snmp
[16:28] <BluesKaj> BobJonkman, genii-around , I haven't begun my research in ernest yet , but the lack of info even in google and the digitalhome sitr is discouraging so far
[16:29] <BluesKaj> I used to use a 9200 , but got this 9242 with remote access capability , as a swap out due to the change over from MPEG2 to MPEG4 codec/compression that Bell is switching to .
[16:41] <BluesKaj> I have a SD TiVo that i used on our home network, it was neat to be able copy content down loaded off the internet to the TiVo. Now I just use a home pc media server instaed , but it would be nice to have option copy files to pc from the pvr in case we run out of room on the HDD.
[17:39] <genii-around> BluesKaj: You could always isolate it from the internet but hooking it to a router that gives it an IP but doesn't go to internet, then poke at it a bit with like nmap to see what ports are open on the thing.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah I was thinking that too, just need an another ethernet cable to connect it up
[17:51] <genii-around> BluesKaj: It must use some kind of method to talk to Bells servers for the remotepvr stuff to work
[17:53] <genii-around> I wonder if you hooked it to a box with webserver and dhcp server, what the webserver access logs would look like
[17:56] <willwh> hey guys
[17:57] <willwh> so you know I was saying I had an issue with screen sessions
[17:57] <willwh> if you'll forgive me just talking out loud
[17:57] <willwh> I did a reinstall, running 11.10 server now
[17:57] <BluesKaj> genii-around, what method should I use to connect the pvr to my other box ?
[17:57] <willwh> I am still seeing the same issue
[17:58] <willwh> I have a running screen session, and when I open a new term inside it, I end up at, willwh@web:(unreachable)/$
[17:58] <willwh> if I do an ls though, I am in my /home/willwh
[17:58] <willwh> which is really odd..
[17:59] <willwh> I am not sure how to try to troubleshoot this, or get some help
[17:59] <willwh> anyone have any ideas?
[18:01] <genii-around> BluesKaj: If you have a webserver/dhcp server on said box and want to probe it? Probably a crossover cable
[18:05] <genii-around> Work, back in a while
[18:07] <BluesKaj> genii-around, no webserver or dhcp server on the other box..it's strictly a kubuntu box with static IP in network interfaces and dns nameserver IPs in resolv.conf , no NM
[18:09] <willwh> most of the pvrs are out there are really locked down
[18:09] <willwh> I have a pace pvr (shaw) - everything disabled 'cept for the sata port :(
[18:09] <willwh> usb/cat5/etc - all dead :/
[18:09] <willwh> probably be better with a capture card
[18:10] <willwh> and run mythtv
[18:14] <BluesKaj> willwh, the bell pvr has an ethernet port for remote accessing the record and guide settiings , but so far I see nothing about copying anyprogramming toa pc via ahome network setup as backup or overflow from the pvr hdd
[18:16] <BluesKaj> HD capture cards are rare birds indeed
[18:21] <BluesKaj> mythtv is unecessary , mencoder can copy files if one uses the right strings
[18:24] <BluesKaj> willwh, I fear that the content is encrypted by a method that's unavailble/proprietary anyway
[18:24] <willwh> most likely yes
[18:24] <willwh> any ideas on my issue above BluesKaj ?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> willwh, sorry i don't understand it ...are you opening a terminal inside a folder or directly from the menu ?
[18:26] <willwh> well, no, I ssh to my server
[18:26] <willwh> where I have irssi running in screen
[18:26] <willwh> inside a screen session, you can do, ctrl + a, c, to open a new term inside the screen session
[18:27] <willwh> now - the weird thing is - it doesn't happen after starting a fresh screen session
[18:27] <willwh> just after some time
[18:27] <willwh> it seems to puke
[18:27] <willwh> I cannot for the life of me, understand it :\
[18:29] <BluesKaj> willwh, , why not just open another prompt with ctrl+alt+F2 or 3 , or is this not suitable?
[18:29] <willwh> well - I'm logging in to a remote box
[18:30] <willwh> it's just that my irssi logging dies after a while too
[18:30] <BluesKaj> over the  'net or Lan ?
[18:30] <willwh> both
[18:31] <BluesKaj> sorry, no experience with internet ssh , only lan
[18:35] <BluesKaj> brb
[18:48] <dscassel> willwh: I've had the same problem. Haven't had the time to figure out what's going on, though.
[18:48] <dscassel> Let me know if you find a fix...
[18:49] <willwh> dscassel: I don't even know where to start tbh
[18:49] <willwh> really annoying though!
[18:49] <dscassel> Yeah. :/
[18:50] <BluesKaj> looks like a daemon is timing out or something
[18:50] <willwh> i.e. I am not sure how I even bug report it
[18:50] <willwh> or where to start digging
[18:50] <willwh> so frustrating
[18:50] <BluesKaj> you guys still use network manager ?
[18:50] <dscassel> I'd switch to Quassel, but I can't find a way to turn off join, parts, quits, etc.
[18:50] <dscassel> BluesKaj: Yup.
[18:50] <willwh> I wouldn't
[18:50] <willwh> I have far too many custom scripts for irssi
[18:50] <willwh> and I can't be arsed rewriting ;)
[18:52] <BluesKaj> willwh, are you irssi'd on the remote machine? sounds dumb I know but I have to ask
[18:53] <willwh> BluesKaj: yup, irrsi runs in a screen session on the remote machine
[18:54] <BluesKaj> what exactly is a screen session ?
[18:56] <willwh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[18:56] <willwh> :]
[18:56] <willwh> back shortly
[22:06] <willwh> dscassel: around?
[22:08] <willwh> http://pastie.org/2911278
[22:08] <willwh> interestingly, look at the path it's supposed to be at, ~willwh/public_html/play/index.php
[22:08] <willwh> how the france did willwh get stuffed in there