[16:01] <cjwatson> hi folks
[16:01] <barry> o/
[16:01] <jhunt_> o/
[16:02]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <cjwatson> Steve and Brian are on holiday
[16:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 16:02:42 2011 UTC.  The chair is cjwatson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:03] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt ev)
[16:03] <cjwatson> doko ev cjwatson jhunt barry stgraber
[16:04] <doko> - binutils 2.22 release
[16:04] <doko> - GCC updates
[16:04] <doko> - eglibc 2.15: new merge from the trunk, tracked down bug #893605, no solution y
[16:04] <doko> et
[16:04] <doko> - merged and tested the glibc sf/hf linker patch, ldd not yet working
[16:04] <doko> - re-enabled previously disabled ruby1.9.1 packages for main
[16:04] <doko> - some merges
[16:04] <doko> (done)
[16:05] <ev> Assigned to the DX team for this week; building a Jenkins infrastructure around Autopilot and creating tools for safely constructing Autopilot tests without hosing the developer's local configuration.
[16:05] <ev> Back on the crash database come this weekend
[16:05] <ev> (done)
[16:05] <cjwatson> Mostly finished Perl 5.14 transition.  Worked on a few others (ocaml, imagemagick, icu), cleaned up build failures, etc.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Finished drafting my specs.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Looked into the situation with .la files.  I think it would be worth making a bit more of an effort to kill off the ones in Ubuntu which are harmful, but haven't published a report yet.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Experimented with doing a multiarch i386->amd64 crossgrade.  I've uploaded several of the necessary patches and the rest are awaiting upload by others; after that I'll have another go ...
[16:06] <cjwatson> Fixed debootstrap confusion when it tries to install a package with two versions in the Packages file.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Fixed a couple of QA-reported bugs in daily builds: bug 893014, bug 893060, bug 892903.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Discussed server installer plans with Daviey.
[16:06] <cjwatson> Some archive infrastructure work: moved a few jobs from ftpmaster to people, arranged for them to attempt to run earlier in the hour and retry later if need be, and filed an RT to allow the next similar chunk of work.
[16:06] <cjwatson> (done)
[16:06] <jhunt_> Similar to last week: More blueprint work. Raft of Upstart Cookbook
[16:06] <jhunt_> updates (not yet published). Lots of work on Upstart Job Logging -
[16:06] <jhunt_> resolved the failing test issue and reworked the tests for the new
[16:06] <jhunt_> architecture. Currently finishing the required changes to the inotify
[16:06] <jhunt_> handling in the test code.
[16:06] <jhunt_> 𝅘𝅥𝅲
[16:07] <barry> much work on dbus-python for python 3.  branch compiles for both 2.7 and 3.2.  still working on one pesky test failure under python 3, but at least it doesn't crash any more.  will be blogging about it today, and following up on the python-porting mailing list.  also did: consulted for a while w/launchpad guys about a mysterious mailman outage; updated claws plugins; finished up blueprints.  out tomorrow and friday for usa holiday.
[16:07] <barry> done.
[16:07] <stgraber> - Testing tracker
[16:07] <stgraber>  - http://91.189.93.73 is usually up to date with what's in the branch
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Got most of the UI working, you can now file testing results on it!
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Spent most of Monday working on migration scripts and SSO integration to match the 30k users in the current DB with their LP accounts
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Getting ready to use the test instance for alpha-1 testing
[16:07] <stgraber>  - More UI improvements
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Working build notifications
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Working subscriptions/unsubscriptions, still need to work on UI a bit
[16:07] <stgraber> - Worked on bug 823366, still need to wait for some feedback from Tom Ellis and try to reproduce slangasek's issue in VM, then upload and SRU time!
[16:07] <stgraber> - TODO
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Get the ISO tracker ready for alpha-1
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Setup ISO tracker for Daily testing and get the CD build machine to push the new builds automatically
[16:07] <stgraber>  - Look at the new ifupdown in Debian (beta2), isolate the fix for bug 876829 and SRU to Oneiric
[16:08] <stgraber>  - Still need to get my iSCSI test setup online again and then look at the merge...
[16:08] <stgraber> (done)
[16:08] <stgraber> (hopefully I'll be able to work a bit on my non-ISO tracker work items next week :))
[16:08] <stgraber> oh, and if you have a few minutes to spare, please try and break the ISO tracker at http://91.189.93.73
[16:08] <stgraber> I'm looking at the logs and fixing anything that breaks :)
[16:08] <cjwatson> since Brian's on holiday, I'll skip the bugs topic; if you have anything you're concerned about, that can be AOB :)
[16:08] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Blueprints
[16:09] <cjwatson> Does anyone have blueprints they *haven't* finished drafting yet, or that haven't been approved?
[16:09]  * doko needs to finish two
[16:09] <cjwatson> (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~/+specs?role=drafter may help)
[16:10] <cjwatson> The deadline is this Friday, so please send me an IRC message or e-mail when you're done with those and I guess I'll substitute for Steve as approver
[16:11] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:12] <cjwatson> the multiarch crossgrade stuff I was playing with has the makings of being really cool :)
[16:12] <cjwatson> (I'm not doing anything clever myself, just filling in metadata really)
[16:12] <barry> cjwatson: can you describe more what it would allow us to do?
[16:12] <doko> like Multi-Arch: foreign attributes?
[16:12] <ev> cjwatson: the crash database hasn't been approved: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-crash-database
[16:12] <cjwatson> barry: upgrade from i386 to amd64 in-place
[16:13] <stgraber> oh, that reminds me I need to push quite a few more Multi-Arch:foreign changes to make upstart:i386 install on amd64 :)
[16:13] <cjwatson> doko: yeah, and a few more serious multiarchings
[16:13] <cjwatson> (like libapt)
[16:13] <barry> nice
[16:13] <cjwatson> ev: ack, thanks
[16:13] <ev> cheers
[16:13] <cjwatson> ev: if you're ready for it to be looked at, please mark it Review or Pending Approval
[16:14] <ev> oops! Thought I had done. That must be why Steve skipped it
[16:14] <ev> done
[16:14] <cjwatson> could be
[16:15] <cjwatson> barry: well, when I say in-place, it requires one reboot in the middle; hard to automate completely
[16:15] <cjwatson> (you need a 64-bit kernel in order to execute any 64-bit binaries)
[16:15] <barry> oh, that's so windows
[16:15] <cjwatson> heh
[16:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'm sure you can get rid of that extra reboot by installing qemu-user-static
[16:15] <cjwatson> I thought of that as I was typing it
[16:15] <stgraber> but that's going to make things a lot slower :)
[16:16] <stgraber> then you can try a crossgrade from i386 to armel on a x86_64 machine :)
[16:17] <stgraber> (would need some tweaks to load the binfmt stuff very very early though)
[16:18] <cjwatson> and you'd need to force binfmt-support to stay native-arch - doesn't sound so fun
[16:18] <cjwatson> you could crossgrade a chroot though
[16:19] <barry> that would actually be pretty interesting
[16:20] <cjwatson> anything else, or shall we finish early?
[16:20] <stgraber> nothing here
[16:20] <barry> i'm good
[16:20] <cjwatson> happy thanksgiving, those who celebrate it :)
[16:20] <barry> thanks! :)
[16:20] <doko> one of the faster meetings ...
[16:20] <stgraber> that was months ago ;)
[16:21] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 16:21:37 2011 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-23-16.02.moin.txt
[16:21] <stgraber> (yeah for some reason Canada and the US don't agree on thanksgiving's date... ours was on the 10th of October)
[16:21] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:26] <ev> pff, what does Canada have to be thankful for?
[16:26] <ogra_> elks !
[16:26] <ev> :)
[16:29] <stgraber> ;)
[17:49] <gema> Ubuntu QA Team meeting starting in 10 mins, big announcement today at the end of the meeting (at least for those who haven't been reading #ubuntu-bugs)!!
[18:01] <gema> ok, so we are starting the QA Team Weekly meeting
[18:01] <gema> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Team
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 18:01:27 2011 UTC.  The chair is gema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[18:01] <gema> anyone here for the meeting?
[18:02] <Ursinha> o/
[18:02] <gema> cool, hello Ursinha , it may just be the two of us :D
[18:02] <Ursinha> lol
[18:03] <Ursinha> nuclearbob too?
[18:03] <nuclearbob> I'm here
[18:03] <gema> excellent!
[18:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hi. I also will be watching =]
[18:03] <gema> jibel told me he cannot attend but gave me his feedback
[18:03] <gema> IAmNotThatGuy: welcome :D
[18:04] <gema> there we go, let's get started then
[18:04] <gema> [TOPIC] Previous Actions (all)
[18:04] <gema> the only previous action I am aware of is me chairing the meeting
[18:04] <gema> do you guys have anything else?
[18:05] <gema> ok, cool, let's keep going
[18:05] <gema> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[18:05] <gema> I have two calls for testing from jibel :)
[18:05] <gema> 1) people interested can try to break the new tracker at http://91.189.93.73/qatracker
[18:06] <gema> 2) A1 is next week, so people can start testing dailies and are welcome to participate to A1 milestone testing starting on Monday/Tuesday
[18:06] <gema> A1 is already here, so please please, get your awesome manual testing started!
[18:06] <gema> anything else from anyone?
[18:07] <gema> moving on
[18:07] <gema> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[18:07] <gema> so, I have feedback from jibel here too:
[18:08] <gema> * we are now keeping 15 days on ISO in the Lab https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-builds-smoke-testing
[18:08] <gema> we are starting a historic of builds so that when a build is broken, we can go back and test on yesterdays
[18:08] <gema> we'll keep 2 weeks worth of builds for now
[18:08] <gema> we'll let you know as soon as they are externally accessible
[18:08] <gema> * Unity Testing: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-unity-quality + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/UnityAutolandingSetup
[18:09] <gema> details regarding the unity testing we are trying to run on Jenkins
[18:09] <gema> or rather, we are running
[18:10] <gema> * desktop images are broken but we are working on it
[18:10] <gema> anything else to report, anyone?
[18:10] <gema> nuclearbob?
[18:11] <nuclearbob> we've got a wrapper to run the qa-regression-testing scripts in autotest now
[18:11] <nuclearbob> I'
[18:11] <nuclearbob> m getting autotest packaged so we can get it installed in the new lab and start using it to run qrt tests from jenkins
[18:12] <gema> sounds good, thanks, anyone else?
[18:12] <nuclearbob> I'll also be working on collecting manual testing results from checkbox to get them into the same data source as our automated testing, but that project is still commencing
[18:12] <nuclearbob> ..
[18:12] <gema> sorry, :D
[18:12] <gema> oh, yep, integrating checkbox with litmus
[18:13] <gema> I forgot to mention, we are in the process of getting a litmus instance installed for everyone to use and contribute test cases to
[18:13] <gema> this is a pilot, we'll let you know whenever it is ready to use
[18:13] <gema> (i.e. when it is fully functional)
[18:14] <gema> that's all from us, I think
[18:14] <gema> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status (hggdh, Ursinha, pedro_, bdmurray)
[18:14] <gema> Ursinha ?
[18:15] <gema> pedro_: are you there?
[18:15] <pedro_> i'm around yes
[18:15] <Ursinha> I am, but nothing to report
[18:15] <gema> anything to report from you, pedro_ ?
[18:15] <Ursinha> working on refactoring bug workflows of our teams
[18:16] <gema> Ursinha: thanks :)
[18:16] <pedro_> gema, nothing really important to share in the meeting
[18:17] <gema> ok, hggdh was working on an SRU problem before , so I think he is busy
[18:17] <gema> let's move on
[18:17] <gema> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[18:17] <gema> and here is the important update
[18:17] <gema> there will be IMPORTANT CHANGES to this meeting from next week onwards
[18:17] <gema> we are going to be splitting this meeting in two different ones, one for QA/testing and another one for Bug triaging
[18:18] <gema> the bug triaging meeting will keep this slot and the QA meeting will happen, from next week onwards one hour earlier
[18:18] <gema> you are more than welcome to contribute to the two agendas and propose new items for discussion
[18:18] <gema> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meetings
[18:18] <gema> I will be sending an email to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-bugsquad@lists.ubuntu.com and ubuntu-bugcontrol@lists.launchpad.net regarding the change so that everyone is aware for next week
[18:19]  * Ursinha likes the change
[18:19] <pedro_> cool :-)
[18:19] <gema> :D
[18:19] <pedro_> gema, thanks for organizing it
[18:19] <gema> pedro_: no problem
[18:20] <gema> does anyone have any question regarding the change or any concerns?
[18:22] <gema> ok, so we will move on and choose two people for next week's meetings :)
[18:22] <gema> [TOPIC] Chair Selection
[18:22] <gema> since it is the first one for QA alone, I will be chairing that and discussing a new agenda and stuff like that
[18:23] <gema> who wants to volunteer for the bugs meeting?
[18:23] <pedro_> i can do that
[18:23] <gema> thanks pedro_
[18:23] <pedro_> np
[18:23] <gema> [ACTION] Gema to chair the new QA meeting
[18:23] <meetingology> ACTION: Gema to chair the new QA meeting
[18:24] <gema> [ACTION] pedro_ to chair the new Bugs meeting
[18:24] <meetingology> ACTION: pedro_ to chair the new Bugs meeting
[18:24] <gema> thanks everyone for your time
[18:24] <nuclearbob> thanks for chairing
[18:24] <gema> np
[18:24] <gema> #endmeeting
[18:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 18:24:59 2011 UTC.
[18:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-23-18.01.moin.txt
[18:25] <Ursinha> thanks gema!
[18:25] <gema> thank you all :D
[18:25] <pedro_> thanks gema!
[18:26] <gema> I will update the wikis and then send the announcement to the lists
[18:30] <greg-g> gema: wait! what was the big annoucement at the end of the meeting?! ;)
[18:30] <gema> greg-g: did you miss it!?
[18:30] <gema> greg-g: we are splitting the meeting in two :)
[18:31] <greg-g> oh... oops ;)
[18:31] <gema> greg-g: so that people with interest in only QA can come to that one, and people with interest only in bugs can come to that one
[18:31] <hggdh> oh, I missed it, sorry
[18:31] <gema> greg-g: I guess you were expecting something more juicy ;)
[18:31] <greg-g> gema: awesome, that seems very useful!
[18:31] <greg-g> gema: and more exclamation marks, really
[18:32] <greg-g> :P
[18:32] <hggdh> !!?
[18:32] <gema> greg-g: we hope so, we are looking for as much help as we can in both areas !!!
[18:32] <greg-g> haha, there you go
[18:32] <gema> greg-g: are you a tester then or a bug triager?
[18:32] <greg-g> triager
[18:32] <gema> greg-g: cool :)
[18:32] <gema> hggdh: you missed the meeting, man
[18:33] <hggdh> greg-g actually does all ;-)
[18:33] <greg-g> though, I've been on hiatus for the past bit, mostly just hang out in -bugs now and help out when I can. Havne't been doing much concerted triage effort lately :(
[18:33] <hggdh> gema: yes, I did, very sorry
[18:33] <gema> hggdh: no problem, I told them you were busy
[18:33] <gema> greg-g: it is never late to come back whenever you feel like it
[18:33] <greg-g> hggdh: :) I do spread my time out, I guess
[18:33] <hggdh> greg-g: and I always rely on you being somewhere near...
[18:34] <greg-g> awww, shucks
[18:34] <hggdh> :-)
[18:35] <gema> hggdh: I am updating the wikis and then I will send the email, make sure I don't get moderated on my way to bug-control :P
[18:40] <gema> pedro_: I am changing the bugsquad header meeting
[18:40] <gema> is that a different meeting from the one we are setting up for next week?
[18:41] <gema> it says: Next Bug Squad Team Meeting, Thursday, December 8th, 2011, 17:00 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting - (details).
[18:41] <pedro_> yes that's different
[18:41] <gema> ah, then I won't touch it
[18:41] <gema> you can manage that
[18:41] <pedro_> we'll discuss if keep it or not next week
[18:41] <gema> :)
[18:42] <gema> pedro_: ok, I am done messing about with your wiki, you may want to start saving the meeting logs in the bugsquad area from now on so that we keep two separate histories
[20:00]  * gilir takes a seat
[20:01]  * stlsaint sits...
[20:01]  * jmarsden|work reaches for his sandwiches (lunch time!)
[20:01]  * bioterror can has coke
[20:01]  * M0hi noms them all
[20:01] <bioterror> freeloader :(
[20:01] <michaelrawson> we start at 8, right?
[20:02] <jmarsden|work> We start 2 minutes ago, officially :)
[20:02] <gilir> yes, waiting 1 or 2 minutes for late people :)
[20:02] <michaelrawson> k.
[20:04] <gilir> ok, let's go
[20:04] <gilir> #startmeeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 20:04:23 2011 UTC.  The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[20:04] <gilir> Welcome to the 1st lubuntu team meeting :)
[20:04] <M0hi> o/
[20:05] <gilir> let me explain the rules first :)
[20:05] <gilir> Agenda is available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:06] <gilir> the meeting will last 1 hour, any items left will be discussed next week
[20:06] <gilir> logs, actions etc ... will be available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111123 for this meeting
[20:07] <gilir> if you have any questions during the meeting, raise your hand : o/
[20:08] <gilir> I will go with the different items of the agenda from people who are here :)
[20:08] <stephen-smally> Hi, i'm here
[20:09] <gilir> just in time :)
[20:09] <gilir> [TOPIC] Plan for the website lubuntu.net
[20:10] <gilir> So, people expressed some concerns about the website
[20:10] <M0hi> gilir, Are we supposed/allowed to maintain a separate site for the OS ?
[20:10] <gilir> I think we are all agree that it needs some work :p
[20:10] <gilir> M0hi, you mean separate from the wiki page ?
[20:10] <michaelrawson> xubuntu & kubuntu have their own.
[20:11] <M0hi> gilir, yes
[20:11] <bioterror> kubuntu has own, so does xubuntu
[20:11] <gilir> yes, you can do more things than on the wiki
[20:12] <jmarsden|work> Terminology: GNU/Linux is the OS, Ubuntu is the distribution, Lubutu is the flavour.  We can have a dedicated web site for the Lubutu flavour of Ubuntu, yes.
[20:12] <M0hi> Okies
[20:12] <michaelrawson> o/
[20:12] <gilir> I put a page on the wiki, to gather some ideas : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Website_Plan
[20:13] <gilir> yes michaelrawson
[20:13] <michaelrawson> I think amjjawad and morgaes were cooking up some prototypes for the site....
[20:13] <michaelrawson> do they know about the page and were are they today?
[20:14] <michaelrawson> *where are they
[20:14] <gilir> yes, and rafael also have ideas about the website
[20:14] <gilir> I hope, I posted it on the mailing list
[20:14] <michaelrawson> okay, as long as they know. :)
[20:15] <gilir> we also discussed with Mario about this, I'll put our ideas also on the wiki
[20:15] <cjohnston> I would be willing to help with the website. Especially the getting it hosted by Canonical.. I have a good working relationship with IS
[20:15] <cjohnston> Not saying I can get it approved to be hosted, but if it does get approved, working with IS on making it happen
[20:15] <michaelrawson> While I can't web design as such, I can check for basic errors like spell checks .
[20:16] <gilir> thanks cjohnston :) hopefully we fixed our hosting problem recently :)
[20:16] <gilir> our main problem now, is more on the content and the technicals issues
[20:16] <cjohnston> Right
[20:17] <michaelrawson> and the layout. IMO.
[20:17] <gilir> ok, so I encourage every people who have ideas to put them on the wiki page
[20:18] <gilir> we can summarize them after
[20:18] <jmarsden|work> How the lubuntu.net web site relates to Lubuntu wiki content is also a major issue.  Duplicating everything would be bad.
[20:18] <stephen-smally> we should redirect to the wiki for more specific infos
[20:18] <gilir> yes (for michaelrawson and jmarsden|work )
[20:19] <gilir> IMO, wiki should be for documentation and team organization, and only hosted by the wiki
[20:19] <Yorvyk> So we need to decide what the Lubuntu.net is for
[20:20] <michaelrawson> maybe (like ubuntu) "best of the wiki" could be put in the official documentation?
[20:20] <stephen-smally> michaelrawson: agree, why not put the content in the main page (of the wiki) in the website
[20:20] <gilir> well for me wiki = wiki.ubuntu.com + help.ubuntu.com
[20:21] <michaelrawson> me too. but yelp (?) integrates with it (?)
[20:22] <gilir> michaelrawson, that's another problem :) to be able to have documentation offline on the system
[20:22] <gilir> well, many people who raised concerns about the website are not here :)
[20:22] <michaelrawson> move on to next topic?
[20:23] <gilir> so I propose to send a reminder on the mailing list
[20:23] <M0hi> Okies
[20:23] <gilir> and move to the next topic ?
[20:23] <M0hi> M0hi, No #action needed?
[20:23] <michaelrawson> agree gilir
[20:23] <stephen-smally> agree
[20:23] <gilir> [ACTION] Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page
[20:23] <meetingology> ACTION: Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page
[20:24] <bioterror> o/
[20:24] <gilir> yes bioterror
[20:24] <bioterror> could the website be more like xubuntu and kubuntu has it?, Get Lubuntu, Get help & Support and Get Involved
[20:24] <bioterror> I think that's really good, also they have some tours and explanations what it is all about
[20:24] <bioterror> less is more
[20:25] <michaelrawson> o/
[20:25] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: Post ideas to the Website_Plan page :)
[20:25] <bioterror> I will
[20:25] <gilir> why not, the subject is pretty open :)
[20:25] <gilir> yes michaelrawson
[20:26] <michaelrawson> xubuntu & kubuntu sites are VERY similiar...why not 'clone' a website for now and find and replace lubuntu instead of xubuntu? quick fix
[20:26] <M0hi> brb
[20:26] <michaelrawson> if you see what I mean.
[20:26] <michaelrawson> I'll put on wiki if nobody kills me. :)
[20:27] <gilir> we can probaly copy the design, but not the content
[20:27] <stephen-smally> michaelrawson: +1, i like the xubuntu site. gilir: obviously ;-)
[20:27] <gilir> but you write your idea on the wiki ;)
[20:27] <gilir> ok, next topic :)
[20:28] <gilir> [TOPIC] PowerPC ISO
[20:28] <gilir> There are some resquests for a powerpc ISO of lubuntu
[20:28] <stephen-smally> gilir: can we just built it with the ubuntu system?
[20:28] <gilir> fortunatly for this cycle, we have people willing to test the ISOs :)
[20:29] <gilir> stephen-smally, it's already build, we just need testers
[20:29] <stephen-smally> gilir: perfect
[20:29] <gilir> to test and validate the quality of the ISO
[20:30] <gilir> according to the mailing list, we have at least 2 testers, so it's just fine :)
[20:30] <Yorvyk> I can do that and have a couple of people interested - I'm trying tp persuade them to join the mailing list.
[20:30] <jmarsden|work> Is testing in an emulation environment like sheepshaver or pearpc likely to be useful?  Or do we need real physical powerpc hardware?
[20:30] <gilir> Yorvyk, great :)
[20:31] <Yorvyk> jmarsden|work: Any testing is useful
[20:31] <gilir> jmarsden|work, if we have enough people to test on real hardware, it won't be necessary IMO
[20:31] <jmarsden|work> OK
[20:32] <gilir> don't forget that we have also i386 and amd64 to test ;)
[20:32] <bioterror> and probably soon ARM is coming
[20:32] <gilir> I'll do also a mail on the mailing to try to convince more people to do ISO testing
[20:33] <stephen-smally> ARM? would be great, but i think there aren't plans by Ubuntu... (i'm looking for setup the raspberry pi, a 25$ computer)
[20:33] <Yorvyk> Perhaps advertising outside the mailing list may help
[20:33] <gilir> bioterror, for ARM, we need testers, devices to test, and to create the images
[20:33] <M0hi> gilir, Lets get the whole list of testers so that it will be easy to contact the testing team
[20:34] <gilir> they don't exist yet, unlike powerpc ISO
[20:34] <bioterror> gilir, I could make a small invest thru dealxtreme. I have some interest
[20:34] <gilir> [ACTION] Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1
[20:34] <meetingology> ACTION: Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1
[20:35] <stephen-smally> gilir, i will be very happy to test the ARM iso (in a month +-), if necessary
[20:35] <Yorvyk> Should we send something to the news letter.  It might reach more people.
[20:36] <gilir> ARM is a more complex subject, but we can discuss it next week
[20:37] <stephen-smally> allright
[20:38] <gilir> [ACTION] Put an item about ARM images for next meeting
[20:38] <meetingology> ACTION: Put an item about ARM images for next meeting
[20:38] <gilir> ok, if the powerpc subject is over, let's move to the next one
[20:39] <gilir> [TOPIC] Old PC supporting or New Kernel for 12.04
[20:39] <gilir> M0hi, if you are agree, I'll introduce the subject :)
[20:39] <M0hi> gilir, proceed =]
[20:40] <gilir> so there is an ongoing discussion about the PAE support on the kernel for 12.04
[20:40] <gilir> currently, no decision was made by the kernel team
[20:41] <gilir> it's expected next week
[20:41] <gilir> also, we are unsure of the number of CPU affected by this
[20:42] <gilir> jmarsden|work, suggested a command to test it, but so far not so many reports
[20:42] <gilir> or we can assume that nobody is affected :)
[20:42] <bioterror> those computers that gets affected are mostly from the late 90's
[20:43] <gilir> well, I don't think we can do more for now, except doing the test
[20:43] <jmarsden|work> bioterror: How do you know this, and have you found any that can run 11.04 or 11.10 but do not have PAE?
[20:44] <bioterror> jmarsden|work, sorry, but I dont work at museum of old computers
[20:44] <stephen-smally> and, if i have a late 90's machine, i would install archlinux or something very scalable (you know, lubuntu is not so usable with 128 Mb ram, i've a machine like this, with a old AMD Athlon)
[20:44] <jmarsden|work> So we're at <gilir> or we can assume that nobody is affected :)
[20:44] <Sarvatt> first generation intel macbook was sold in 2006 and had a pentium M without PAE for instance, its not that old
[20:45] <wxl> oops am i too late?
[20:45] <bioterror> Sarvatt, my friend has one. it only supports 3GB of RAM
[20:45] <Sarvatt> it also wont boot ubuntu anymore if it goes in
[20:46] <Sarvatt> (sorry to interrupt the meeting)
[20:46] <bioterror> that was a good point
[20:46] <gilir> Sarvatt, any information is welcome, thanks :)
[20:47] <jmarsden|work> OK, all we can do is ask for more testing and watch for others doing similar investigation of which machines are affected.
[20:48] <gilir> +1 jmarsden|work
[20:49] <gilir> ok, so let's move to the next topic
[20:49] <gilir> 10 minutes left
[20:49] <gilir> [TOPIC] LxPanel developing status
[20:49] <gilir> stephen-smally, it's your turn :)
[20:49] <stephen-smally> Ok, ;-)
[20:50] <stephen-smally> Maybe you don't know this, but Lxpanel is pretty inactive
[20:50] <stephen-smally> (under the developing profile)
[20:50] <wxl> i would argue that lxpanel needs development in applets more than IT needs development
[20:51] <michaelrawson> +1, wxl
[20:51] <wxl> a ram monitor, for one
[20:51] <gilir> well, it needs maintainance + bug fixing at least :/
[20:51] <Yorvyk> If it's not being developed nobody will provide applets for it
[20:52] <frankbooth> +1 gilir
[20:52] <jmarsden|work> stephen-smally: are you volunteering to take over lxpanel maintenance?
[20:52] <michaelrawson> python support for applets would be nice,  but I won't get on to that now. Currently you have to do everyting in C, which is offputting.
[20:52] <wxl> well that's a good point Yorvyk but what would replace it?
[20:52] <gilir> stephen-smally, so, what's the point ? :) We know we have a panel problem :)
[20:52] <stephen-smally> Ok, i talked to pcman, wich is the main developer of lxpanel
[20:52] <stephen-smally> he's planning a rewrite of lxpanel in vala+gtk3
[20:53] <gilir> yes, but we don't know when, he still have work to do for the filemanager
[20:54] <stephen-smally> yes, i know
[20:54] <gilir> IMO, we should keep lxpanel for now, try to fix it
[20:55] <gilir> and eventually, rewrite some parts in vala if we have time
[20:55] <stephen-smally> ok, i can do this, anyway
[20:55] <gilir> as we can mix C and Vala
[20:55] <stephen-smally> yes, we can, the build system will need some instruction, but it's possible
[20:56] <gilir> stephen-smally, but you have also others projects, don't forget :)
[20:56] <michaelrawson> Surely Vala makes C code, so we shouldn't have to mix?
[20:56] <stephen-smally> ;-), yes
[20:56] <gilir> stephen-smally, we still need a release of LSC
[20:57] <jmarsden|work> michaelrawson: You can rewrite all of lxpanel in Vala if you have the time and skills, otherwise, it can be migrated slowly, mixing vala with the existing C code :)
[20:57] <stephen-smally> anyway, i'm also available for lxpanel in vala
[20:57] <Yorvyk> 3 minutes to go
[20:57] <michaelrawson> jmarsden|work compile vala first, then compile C code?
[20:57] <stephen-smally> what's after us?
[20:58] <gilir> stephen-smally, thanks, but we should talk about LSC and LXScreeshot before planning development time on lxpanel
[20:59] <jmarsden|work> michaelrawson: Order doesn't matter, compile everything (C or Vala) -> object code, then link it together.
[20:59] <stephen-smally> ok, Lxscreenshot is already done, i can make a project and a release if needed
[20:59] <gilir> stephen-smally, no one, but we have too much items after this one :)
[20:59] <michaelrawson> okay, jmarsden|work, thanks for clarification. :)
[20:59] <wxl> i personally would rather see lxpanel developed than lsc/lxscreenshot, but that may be me
[20:59] <stephen-smally> gilir: so we can occupy a little the channel? XD
[21:00] <jmarsden|work> stephen-smally: Some of us are at work...
[21:00] <gilir> stephen-smally, it needs some polishing (like translation, command line support etc ...) but I can send you list
[21:00] <stephen-smally> wxl: i partially agree
[21:00] <gilir> stephen-smally, but yes, lxscreenshot is almost ready
[21:01] <stephen-smally> ok, if you want some interface improvements let me know ;-)
[21:01] <wxl> stephen-smally: my argument being that lxpanel is absolutely essential-- every user uses it. less people need lxscreenshot and scrot does the trick for those that do need it. plus synaptic does do the trick.
[21:01] <gilir> [ACTION] Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally
[21:01] <meetingology> ACTION: Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally
[21:02] <gilir> wxl, but having project half finished is not nice also
[21:02] <stephen-smally> wxl: i agree, so i'm available to help in lxpanel
[21:02] <wxl> +1 gilir
[21:02] <stephen-smally> gilir: yes, the situation is not so good, i'm the only who develop lsc
[21:02] <michaelrawson> just installed lxpanel, works brilliantly.
[21:03] <michaelrawson> stephen-smally I'm happy to help lsc if you can teach me roughly where stuff goes.
[21:03] <stephen-smally> michaelrawson: thanks, we can discuss it via mails
[21:03] <michaelrawson> yup.
[21:03] <gilir> stephen-smally, ok, so let's finish the meeting here, can we talk about lsc on #lubuntu just after ?
[21:04] <stephen-smally> of course
[21:04] <gilir> or mail if you prefer
[21:04] <stephen-smally> as you like, i prefer irc anyway
[21:05] <gilir> Yorvyk, sorry for your subjects, I report them on the top of the list for next week
[21:05] <gilir> #endmeeting
[21:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 21:05:16 2011 UTC.
[21:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-23-20.04.moin.txt
[21:05] <wxl> where is the log of this meeting btw?
[21:05] <wxl> ah nevermind ;)
[21:05] <Yorvyk> That's OK.  I've added another one :)
[21:06] <stephen-smally> #lubuntu or #lubuntu-offtopiv?
[21:06] <stephen-smally> *c
[21:06] <wxl> #lubuntu-offtopic
[21:06] <stephen-smally> ok
[21:06] <stephen-smally> here we go
[21:06] <wxl> see you there
[21:07] <gilir> log are here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111123
[21:07]  * M0hi is off to bed. bye