[00:10] Laney: that sounds like about when we switched to Soyuz for publishing Ubuntu [00:10] Laney: oh, you found that [00:10] Laney: "malone" is my fault, I think :) [00:10] heh [00:11] more fool me for not getting it [00:11] we did an awful lot of silly name brainstorming back then [00:12] IIRC Launchpad is Launchpad's third name [00:15] there are worse names, at least [00:15] * Laney discovers "Fir, 21 Jul 2006 04:48:23 +0200" [00:15] people do weird things to their changesfiles [00:16] * ajmitch is innocent of that [00:21] Laney: we also skipped some because they were non english months, like Mei [00:22] the past is a place full of gremlins [00:23] it is funny how insanely sidetracked this has become from my original goal [00:23] "find the packages uploaded most often to ubuntu relative to debian" [00:23] hah [00:24] and I just wanted to get components in [00:25] Laney: too much yak shaving [00:25] we have a more generally useful resource now! [00:25] yay! [00:26] psycopg2.DataError: time zone displacement out of range: "Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:43:00 +2000" [00:26] it can shave all sortf of animals & paint the bikeshed any colour you want? [00:26] +2000 would be doing pretty well [00:27] naughty till === EvilJackyAlcine is now known as JackyAlcine === afei is now known as afei418 [08:01] good morning === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [10:08] up to 2009-07 [10:08] it is amusing how many dates are wrong [10:09] p.s. morning all === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [11:23] argh, so close, 2011-09 [11:28] Morning Laney. [11:28] Laney: What are you doing with dates? :) [11:28] just the usual [11:28] (trying to take over the world) [11:29] We have to get back to the lab. [11:29] (Pinky and the Brain <3) [11:46] yay, imported! === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [12:29] Laney: \o/ [12:44] Laney: I still see a fair number of entries with component=N/A [12:44] where did they come from? [12:55] dunno [12:55] what dates? [12:59] Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/746991/ [12:59] pre 2006-03 is the mbox data [13:02] ah [13:07] have you regenerated your data? [13:07] is there any progress on the ubuntuwire mirror? [13:08] is there any reason to regenerate it? [13:08] nope [13:14] it took the best part of two weeks to generate that lot, so I have no plans of doing it again (although at least we know we can do it now, so it can probably be done in one go in a day or two) [13:21] oh, no, I meant the stats [13:22] yeah, that'll be easier when we have a UDD mirror on syklone [13:26] it requires a lot of launchpadlib digging, and access to UDD, which means I can't really do it at home [14:27] Laney: been trying to run it at university, and now I'm finding "interesting" properties of our data :P [14:27] too awesome for words [14:28] names like Foo > [14:28] and e-mail addresses like that too [14:29] ruh roh [14:29] ah, it's not so many [14:30] yeah [14:30] this is stuff that is broken in changelogs [14:31] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.35/linux-backports-modules-2.6.35_2.6.35-6.1/changelog for example [14:31] our developers suck :P [14:31] ok, but if we know it's happening, we can fix it [14:35] hrm, we don't seem to credit backports very well [14:35] that is dodgy in general [14:35] changed_by = "Ubuntu Archive Backport", signed_by = N/A [14:59] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58477868/wesnoth-1.8_1.8.5-1~karmic1_source.changes [14:59] maybe it's a different backporting script? [14:59] most of them look right to me [15:04] Laney: they're ok, but there's no attribution to the requestor [15:04] that is the way it works === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:17] Laney: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/upload_activity/ updated [17:40] tumbleweed: why are you splitting the uploads between canonical and community? Isn't everyone just a ubuntu developer? [17:41] Daviey: perhaps it depends on the amount of duress ;-) [17:42] meh, i don't like there being a division. [17:56] geez. somebody else upload stuff to precise. :-) [17:57] ⢁D [18:02] Daviey: I wanted to see if MOTU really was dead [18:02] tumbleweed: am i not a MOTU? [18:02] Daviey: the evidence doesn't seem very clear, if you count uploads (as unuseful a mesaure as that is) [18:03] Daviey: sure, and I have no easy way of handling that [18:03] I was looking for trends. I didn't find anything I was expecting to [18:05] I'd love to add graphs that show more interesting trends, and get rid of the less interesting ones :P [18:06] tumbleweed: Yeah, i don't mean to be an ass; but i wanted to outline that many canonical people do consider themselves community developers aswell. [18:06] tumbleweed: How about measure uploads by canonical at silly'o-clock in the morning? :) [18:06] heh [18:07] I knew the fallacies involved in that, but wanted to get a feeling for how much is done by non-canonical people [18:07] it's suprisingly steady [18:07] (although the canonical vs community groupings are entirely thumbsucked) [18:09] right [18:21] so my motu application is finally sent :) [18:27] jtaylor: 4 endorsements already :P [18:27] we need more applicants like this [18:28] I though you need to gather them before you apply? [18:30] yes, right, the instructions say that. I think part of the reason for the 7 day againg was for people who follow devel-permissions to add comments and endorsements, too [19:30] tumbleweed: nice to see the cjwatson vs the world graph updated for precise :) [19:30] the dangers of simply counting uploads [19:30] although, that said, he does a staggering amount of work :) [19:31] when more than half a graph is dominated by one person, I think you can say that [19:32] there is also quite a long tail, that is cut off, but yes, you can still say that [19:33] it's a shame it's hard to identify rebuilds, because those really don't represent the same kind of work at all [19:42] a single upload of something one has spent 6 months slaving over also only counts as 1. There are no easy ways out of that [19:42] (I could easily exclude buildX uploads, though) [20:27] iamfuzz: your ruby-rvm postinst assumes that there's an admin group, but that isn't there on a minimal install. Looking after that package? [20:28] there isn't in general anymore, is there? i thought we were dropping the admin group for precise and replacing it with the sudo group [20:28] jocky still creates it [20:28] jockey [20:28] huh [20:30] which package was supposed to be creating it? sudo? I looked didn't see a maintainer script that looked responsible [20:33] tumbleweed, yea, I can give it a look [20:33] I need to update it at some point anyway [20:33] yeah, I saw a bug requesting that :) [20:46] jtaylor: thanks for putting your MOTU app in :)