[00:10] <cjwatson> Laney: that sounds like about when we switched to Soyuz for publishing Ubuntu
[00:10] <cjwatson> Laney: oh, you found that
[00:10] <cjwatson> Laney: "malone" is my fault, I think :)
[00:10] <Laney> heh
[00:11] <Laney> more fool me for not getting it
[00:11] <cjwatson> we did an awful lot of silly name brainstorming back then
[00:12] <cjwatson> IIRC Launchpad is Launchpad's third name
[00:15] <ajmitch> there are worse names, at least
[00:15]  * Laney discovers "Fir,  21 Jul 2006 04:48:23 +0200"
[00:15] <Laney> people do weird things to their changesfiles
[00:16]  * ajmitch is innocent of that
[00:21] <tumbleweed> Laney: we also skipped some because they were non english months, like Mei
[00:22] <Laney> the past is a place full of gremlins
[00:23] <Laney> it is funny how insanely sidetracked this has become from my original goal
[00:23] <Laney> "find the packages uploaded most often to ubuntu relative to debian"
[00:23] <tumbleweed> hah
[00:24] <tumbleweed> and I just wanted to get components in
[00:25] <ajmitch> Laney: too much yak shaving
[00:25] <Laney> we have a more generally useful resource now!
[00:25] <ajmitch> yay!
[00:26] <Laney> psycopg2.DataError: time zone displacement out of range: "Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:43:00 +2000"
[00:26] <ajmitch> it can shave all sortf of animals & paint the bikeshed any colour you want?
[00:26] <ajmitch> +2000 would be doing pretty well
[00:27] <Laney> naughty till
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[10:08] <Laney> up to 2009-07
[10:08] <Laney> it is amusing how many dates are wrong
[10:09] <Laney> p.s. morning all
[11:23] <Laney> argh, so close, 2011-09
[11:28] <nigelb> Morning Laney.
[11:28] <nigelb> Laney: What are you doing with dates? :)
[11:28] <Laney> just the usual
[11:28] <Laney> (trying to take over the world)
[11:29] <nigelb> We have to get back to the lab.
[11:29] <nigelb> (Pinky and the Brain <3)
[11:46] <Laney> yay, imported!
[12:29] <tumbleweed> Laney: \o/
[12:44] <tumbleweed> Laney: I still see a fair number of entries with component=N/A
[12:44] <tumbleweed> where did they come from?
[12:55] <Laney> dunno
[12:55] <Laney> what dates?
[12:59] <tumbleweed> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/746991/
[12:59] <Laney> pre 2006-03 is the mbox data
[13:02] <tumbleweed> ah
[13:07] <Laney> have you regenerated your data?
[13:07] <Laney> is there any progress on the ubuntuwire mirror?
[13:08] <tumbleweed> is there any reason to regenerate it?
[13:08] <tumbleweed> nope
[13:14] <tumbleweed> it took the best part of two weeks to generate that lot, so I have no plans of doing it again (although at least we know we can do it now, so it can probably be done in one go in a day or two)
[13:21] <Laney> oh, no, I meant the stats
[13:22] <tumbleweed> yeah, that'll be easier when we have a UDD mirror on syklone
[13:26] <tumbleweed> it requires a lot of launchpadlib digging, and access to UDD, which means I can't really do it at home
[14:27] <tumbleweed> Laney: been trying to run it at university, and now I'm finding "interesting" properties of our data :P
[14:27] <Laney> too awesome for words
[14:28] <tumbleweed> names like Foo <foo <foo@bar>>
[14:28] <tumbleweed> and e-mail addresses like that too
[14:29] <Laney> ruh roh
[14:29] <Laney> ah, it's not so many
[14:30] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:30] <Laney> this is stuff that is broken in changelogs
[14:31] <Laney> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.35/linux-backports-modules-2.6.35_2.6.35-6.1/changelog for example
[14:31] <tumbleweed> our developers suck :P
[14:31] <tumbleweed> ok, but if we know it's happening, we can fix it
[14:35] <tumbleweed> hrm, we don't seem to credit backports very well
[14:35] <Laney> that is dodgy in general
[14:35] <tumbleweed> changed_by = "Ubuntu Archive Backport", signed_by = N/A
[14:59] <Laney> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58477868/wesnoth-1.8_1.8.5-1~karmic1_source.changes
[14:59] <Laney> maybe it's a different backporting script?
[14:59] <Laney> most of them look right to me
[15:04] <tumbleweed> Laney: they're ok, but there's no attribution to the requestor
[15:04] <Laney> that is the way it works
[17:17] <tumbleweed> Laney: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/upload_activity/ updated
[17:40] <Daviey> tumbleweed: why are you splitting the uploads between canonical and community?  Isn't everyone just a ubuntu developer?
[17:41] <sladen> Daviey: perhaps it depends on the amount of duress ;-)
[17:42] <Daviey> meh, i don't like there being a division.
[17:56] <cjwatson> geez.  somebody else upload stuff to precise. :-)
[17:57] <funkyHat> ⢁D
[18:02] <tumbleweed> Daviey: I wanted to see if MOTU really was dead
[18:02] <Daviey> tumbleweed: am i not a MOTU?
[18:02] <tumbleweed> Daviey: the evidence doesn't seem very clear, if you count uploads (as unuseful a mesaure as that is)
[18:03] <tumbleweed> Daviey: sure, and I have no easy way of handling that
[18:03] <tumbleweed> I was looking for trends. I didn't find anything I was expecting to
[18:05] <tumbleweed> I'd love to add graphs that show more interesting trends, and get rid of the less interesting ones :P
[18:06] <Daviey> tumbleweed: Yeah, i don't mean to be an ass; but i wanted to outline that many canonical people do consider themselves community developers aswell.
[18:06] <Daviey> tumbleweed: How about measure uploads by canonical at silly'o-clock in the morning? :)
[18:06] <tumbleweed> heh
[18:07] <tumbleweed> I knew the fallacies involved in that, but wanted to get a feeling for how much is done by non-canonical people
[18:07] <tumbleweed> it's suprisingly steady
[18:07] <tumbleweed> (although the canonical vs community groupings are entirely thumbsucked)
[18:09] <Daviey> right
[18:21] <jtaylor> so my motu application is finally sent :)
[18:27] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: 4 endorsements already :P
[18:27] <tumbleweed> we need more applicants like this
[18:28] <jtaylor> I though you need to gather them before you apply?
[18:30] <tumbleweed> yes, right, the instructions say that. I think part of the reason for the 7 day againg was for people who follow devel-permissions to add comments and endorsements, too
[19:30] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: nice to see the cjwatson vs the world graph updated for precise :)
[19:30] <tumbleweed> the dangers of simply counting uploads
[19:30] <tumbleweed> although, that said, he does a staggering amount of work :)
[19:31] <ajmitch> when more than half a graph is dominated by one person, I think you can say that
[19:32] <tumbleweed> there is also quite a long tail, that is cut off, but yes, you can still say that
[19:33] <cjwatson> it's a shame it's hard to identify rebuilds, because those really don't represent the same kind of work at all
[19:42] <tumbleweed> a single upload of something one has spent 6 months slaving over also only counts as 1. There are no easy ways out of that
[19:42] <tumbleweed> (I could easily exclude buildX uploads, though)
[20:27] <tumbleweed> iamfuzz: your ruby-rvm postinst assumes that there's an admin group, but that isn't there on a minimal install. Looking after that package?
[20:28] <broder> there isn't in general anymore, is there? i thought we were dropping the admin group for precise and replacing it with the sudo group
[20:28] <tumbleweed> jocky still creates it
[20:28] <tumbleweed> jockey
[20:28] <broder> huh
[20:30] <tumbleweed> which package was supposed to be creating it? sudo? I looked didn't see a maintainer script that looked responsible
[20:33] <iamfuzz> tumbleweed, yea, I can give it a look
[20:33] <iamfuzz> I need to update it at some point anyway
[20:33] <tumbleweed> yeah, I saw a bug requesting that :)
[20:46] <micahg> jtaylor: thanks for putting your MOTU app in :)