[01:13] <dissipate> has anyone here successfully mounted an amazon s3 bucket in ubuntu 11.10?
[01:32] <erichammond> dissipate: "mounted an amazon s3 bucket" ... with what software?
[01:33] <dissipate> erichammond, s3fs
[01:33] <dissipate> erichammond, that's what i tried to do it with, but i'm open to other options
[01:33] <erichammond> dissipate: Then, yes. I have used s3fs on Ubuntu 11.10.
[01:34] <dissipate> erichammond, do you have the scripts you used to set it up by any chance?
[01:35] <erichammond> dissipate: sudo /usr/local/bin/s3fs -o url=https://s3.amazonaws.com -o allow_other $bucket $mountpoint
[01:36] <dissipate> erichammond, i mean the scripts you used to install s3fs
[01:38] <dissipate> erichammond, i just tried that command, it didn't work. :(
[01:38] <erichammond> dissipate: The $mountpoint directory must exist. You need to have set up /etc/password-s3fs correctly. The bucket must exist.
[01:39] <erichammond> dissipate: svn checkout http://s3fs.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ s3fs && ( cd s3fs; ./autogen.sh; ./configure; sudo make install )
[01:39] <erichammond> dissipate: Expand on "didn't work"
[01:40] <dissipate> erichammond, i did all that.
[01:40] <dissipate> mount point exists, /etc/password-s3fs is there with my credentials
[01:43] <erichammond> dissipate: Elaborate on "didn't work"
[01:44] <dissipate> erichammond, i get no error and the bucket mount doesn't show up.
[01:44] <erichammond> dissipate: What do you mean by "the bucket mount doesn't show up"?
[01:45] <dissipate> erichammond, i went into /mnt and there is nothing there.
[01:45] <dissipate> i mounted into /mnt
[01:45] <erichammond> dissipate: So /mnt was the mountpoint?
[01:45] <erichammond> dissipate: or /mnt/somedirectory ?
[01:45] <dissipate> it appears s3fs can connect to s3 to some extent, because when i tried a bogus bucket it had an error.
[01:46] <dissipate> /mnt
[01:46] <erichammond> dissipate: Were the directories and files inside the bucket created through s3fs or through some other process?
[01:47] <dissipate> erichammond, i created them through the AWS user interface.
[01:47] <erichammond> dissipate: Are there any keys in the bucket that do NOT contain a slash (/)?
[01:47] <dissipate> erichammond, no, the bucket has some directories
[01:48] <erichammond> dissipate: All files are in subdirectories?
[01:49] <erichammond> dissipate: Pick a subdirectory with a file and run: mkdir -p /mnt/PATH/TO/SUBDIRECTORY
[01:49] <erichammond> dissipate: Then look in that subdirectory to see if the files are visible.
[01:50] <dissipate> erichammond, ok, let me try
[01:51] <dissipate> erichammond, well, it's mounted because i created a directory in /mnt and it showed up as an empty file in my S3 bucket!
[01:52] <dissipate> erichammond, i created the subdirectory and the files are showing up now! what is happening?
[01:53] <erichammond> s3fs needs to have a special key in the S3 bucket for each subdirectory before it can see files in that subdirectory.
[01:53] <erichammond> 'night
[01:54] <dissipate> erichammond, thanks for the info. do you have bitcoin BTW? i'd like to send you a couple coin for your help.
[02:48] <SpamapS> kees: ifup -a should have caught the eth5.3 entry after eth5.. thats very strange. That said, I'm not entirely sure of how ifupdown handles vlan entries like that.
[02:55] <kklimonda> who has some experience writing upstart configs for packages from the distribution's point of view? I'd like to port both slapd and krb5-kdb/admin-server to upstart to fix a small bug with start order but I'm not sure how much of the current sysv stuff move over to upstart (like variables from default files etc.)
[02:57] <twb> SpamapS: poorly, apparently ;-P
[02:57] <kklimonda> also, what's the policy on shipping upstart override files in packages?
[03:05] <SpamapS> twb: I think its worth proposing a replacement for ifupdown in the 12.10 cycle.. seems ridiculous to keep this weird thing alive.
[03:09] <twb> I bet the replacement will be worse tho :-/
[03:09] <kklimonda> yeah, base it on network manager while your are on it :P
[03:09] <twb> haha
[03:10] <twb> "in 12.10 ubuntu now requires NM to be installed everywhere and is included in the initrd for maximum fail"
[03:10] <twb> Or some stupid undocumented failtastic upstart helper a la mountall(8)
[03:13] <kklimonda> heh, I wouldn't mind if it were done well
[03:13] <kklimonda> but then we are talking about Ubuntu here ;)
[03:15] <SpamapS> The snark is strong with this one.
[04:01] <kees> SpamapS: well, the device for eth5 doesn't exist at all any more, so I assume it would never get to eth5.3
[04:02] <kees> SpamapS: why it "got" to eth5, I don't know either. I think that's the actual bug.
[04:02] <kees> or rather, just because something is "auto" doesn't mean it attached to the system. ;)
[04:13] <Corey> What's the proper way to get sshd to start on boot?
[04:14] <twb> Corey: apt-get install openssh-server
[04:27] <Corey> twb: Yeah, I get that.  But let's say I want to disable it from starting on boot for a while.  To reenable it, I would...?
[04:27] <twb> dpkg-divert --remove --rename /etc/init/ssh.conf
[04:28] <twb> Unfortunately, in their infinite wisdom, the upstart developers broke invoke-rc.d
[04:28] <twb> Er, policy-rc.d
[04:36] <Kutakizukari> Anyone here?
[04:37] <Kutakizukari> Using Ubuntu 10.04 server and getting Request timed out when pinged.
[04:38] <mgw> can you ssh to the system?
[04:38] <Kutakizukari> let me try
[04:39] <Kutakizukari> mgw: Network error: Connection timed out
[04:40] <mgw> do you have physical access?
[04:40] <mgw> or KVM?
[04:40] <Kutakizukari> No physical access
[04:40] <Kutakizukari> cloud server
[04:41] <mgw> which provider?
[04:41] <Kutakizukari> eleven2.com
[04:41] <mgw> do they give you KVM?
[04:42] <Kutakizukari> don't know what it is
[04:42] <mgw> console access
[04:42] <mgw> essentially
[04:44] <Kutakizukari> ah, they are using the wrong credit card information so it has been suspended, easy fix.
[04:45] <mgw> That would explain it. Glad you figured it out.
[06:18] <SpamapS> kees: was eth5 a static interface, while eth5.3 dhcp?
[07:06] <koolhead17> hi all
[07:13] <dissipate> koolhead17, hi
[07:13] <koolhead17> hello dissipate
[07:14] <dissipate> koolhead17, what's going on?
[07:14] <dissipate> koolhead17, are your ubuntu servers running smooth as silk?
[07:14] <koolhead17> your asking or telling :)
[07:16] <dissipate> asking. :P
[07:16] <koolhead17> anyways i can help u?
[07:17] <dissipate> koolhead17, i'm looking for a way of mounting amazon s3 buckets in ubuntu server that's easier to set up than what i have now.
[07:18] <dissipate> i'm using s3fs which has no package, must be compiled from source. :/
[07:18] <koolhead17> dissipate: did you check s3 documentation, am sure your the only one with this idea :)
[07:19] <dissipate> yep
[07:19] <dissipate> i'm actually interested in third party tools.
[07:21] <koolhead17> dissipate: am not a amazon used but i would be interested to know the liberty amazon provides :D
[07:22] <koolhead17> it be cool if you can also ask it as question at launchpad
[07:22] <dissipate> koolhead17, fairly cheap and pretty much unlimited storage is what they provide.
[07:23] <koolhead17> cool
[08:38] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:10] <jamespage> morning all
[09:11] <uksysadmin> morning
[09:13] <uksysadmin> I've a question on preseeding and executing commands at the end of installation... what's the best way to download a script and execute it? Under RH its simple in their kickstart scripts... Ubuntu is 'different'.
[09:13]  * uksysadmin thought I'd tempt the answer with some Red Hat bait and waits...
[09:15] <lynxman> uksysadmin: it depends, Ubuntu uses preseed for hardware and cloud-init for cloud instances so you can use either depending on what you're doing
[09:15] <lynxman> uksysadmin: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-advanced.html#preseed-hooks
[09:15] <lynxman> uksysadmin: for example :)
[09:16] <lynxman> (just change 11.04 with your version of Ubuntu)
[09:16] <fly_80> hello
[09:17] <uksysadmin> cheers lynxman - read that, I am wanting to set a https_proxy and download a script using wget. bit of a hack atm, but it replicates the post steps I'm doing at present.
[09:17] <uksysadmin> I get 'export' command not found when setting the env var.
[09:17] <uksysadmin> I'm trying an alternative
[09:17] <uksysadmin> this is on a physical server
[09:21] <uksysadmin> As I'm using Orchestra, is there a way of having this "post-script" living somewhere on my Orchestra server and grabbing it from there instead?
[09:22]  * uksysadmin is speaking out loud and realises that's the best way
[09:23] <lynxman> uksysadmin: so this differs heavily from your first question, which was "what to use" and you're already using something :)
[09:24] <uksysadmin> Not really - I'm new to pxe booting ubuntu
[09:24] <lynxman> uksysadmin: orchestra uses cloud-init, it has an integrated metadata service, so you just need to add or modify to the cloud-init script
[09:24] <uksysadmin> at the end of the day it uses cobbler and runs som post hooks
[09:24] <uksysadmin> just need an example where I can do some post commands and I'm not sure what the difference is between in-target and /run etc
[09:24] <lynxman> uksysadmin: well... it uses a lot more than that actually
[09:25] <uksysadmin> happy to be pointed in the direction of some docs that explains how to use it
[09:25] <uksysadmin> as opposed to how I think I should be using it
[09:28] <uksysadmin> so in other words, I shouldn't be using the preseed files but something that cloud-init calls?
[09:29] <Takyoji> For an NFS share, I want it available on a 172.16.11.0/24 as well as a 10.0.0.0/8, do I just list the share twice, but with different network ranges?
[09:30] <Takyoji> i.e. doing: /Shares 172.16.11.0/255.255.255.0
[09:30] <Takyoji> /Shares 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0
[09:31] <Takyoji> Or is it comma delimited?
[09:31] <lynxman> Takyoji: you can just add them in the same line /share 172.16.11.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async),10.0.0.0/8(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[09:31] <Takyoji> ahh, alright
[09:33] <Takyoji> I got a syntax error
[09:33] <lynxman> jamespage: Hey James I have a bug that has been sitting ducks for some days now #884908 would you fancy sponsoring it? :)
[09:34] <jamespage> bug 884908
[09:34] <lynxman> Takyoji: ah my bad, no comma delimitation, just space
[09:34] <lynxman> Takyoji: did a "man exports" :)
[09:34] <Takyoji> I tried using whitespace instead, and it reloaded properly, we'll see if it works
[09:34] <lynxman> jamespage: it's just a change in dependencies to make things work as they should
[09:35] <jamespage> lynxman, looking now
[09:38] <jamespage> lynxman: has that same fix already been applied in precise?
[09:39] <lynxman> jamespage: yes, it's included in the latest package uploaded yesterday
[09:39] <koolhead11> hi all
[09:40] <lynxman> koolhead11: ello sir o/
[09:40] <koolhead11> hello lynxman :D
[09:40] <lynxman> koolhead11: I always wonder... why the number change? ;)
[09:41] <koolhead11> lynxman, 11 mostly means am at my workplace :D
[09:41] <lynxman> koolhead11: aaah
[09:41] <koolhead11> hehe
[09:42] <koolhead11> never knew sleeping for 5 hours can give you hangover ..
[09:44] <Takyoji> The second network still seems to be denied
[09:44] <Takyoji> The 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0
[09:44] <koolhead11> lynxman, i have made some progress with dashboard, i can finally see the login page. hehehe
[09:46] <lynxman> Takyoji: run exportfs -a
[09:46] <lynxman> koolhead11: wow, that's very good :)
[09:46] <Takyoji> No output?
[09:47] <lynxman> Takyoji: that'll reload your exports file into your nfs server
[09:47] <Takyoji> ahh
[09:47] <koolhead11> lynxman, but the django server gets killed and dies once i provide it the authentication. It does connects to keystone. Planning to use apache2 now instead django. It will give me better log/error details
[09:47] <lynxman> koolhead11: do you have the python error at hand?
[09:48] <lynxman> koolhead11: I might help you there, done some django
[09:48]  * lynxman has a dark past :D
[09:48] <koolhead11> not anything really great.
[09:48] <Takyoji> Still denied as of yet
[09:49] <lynxman> Takyoji: then check why it's being denied in /var/log/system.log
[09:49] <koolhead11> DEBUG:django_openstack.api:auth_api connection created using url "http://192.168.1.4:5000/v2.0/"
[09:49] <lynxman> Takyoji: it should give a clear explanation there
[09:49] <lynxman> koolhead11: try running django in debug mode
[09:49] <Takyoji> There isn't a /var/log/system.log
[09:49] <Takyoji> Did you mean dmesg, or auth.log, or?
[09:49] <lynxman> Takyoji: gah I mean /var/log/syslog
[09:49]  * lynxman really needs coffee this morning
[09:50] <Takyoji> "refused mount request from 10.242.2.6 for /home (/home): illegal port 53339"
[09:50] <lynxman> Takyoji: that's a weird error
[09:50] <Takyoji> Indeed it is. xP
[09:51] <lynxman> Takyoji: it's too early for tongue mister ;)
[09:51] <Takyoji> I wonder if the NAT of VirtualBox is causing issues
[09:51] <lynxman> Takyoji: aaah, add insecure to your nfs share definition, then run exportfs -a
[09:51] <Takyoji> D:
[09:51] <lynxman> Takyoji: looks like NFS considers that high port insecure
[09:52] <Takyoji> Resolved.
[09:52] <lynxman> Takyoji: \o/
[09:52] <Takyoji> Any reason for that nature of functionality?
[09:53] <Takyoji> Is it for the sake of "higher than port 1024" philosophy, or?
[09:53] <lynxman> Takyoji: kinda, yes
[10:00] <koolhead11> lynxman, i think django is allready in that debug mode
[10:02] <lynxman> koolhead11: then you should have a lot more output than that
[10:03] <koolhead11> lynxman, and do u have custom partition as wll :)
[10:03] <koolhead11> lynxman, ,
[10:03] <koolhead11> let me boot my box again
[10:03] <lynxman> koolhead11: lol okay
[10:11] <eagles0513875|> hey guys i have a quick question
[10:11] <eagles0513875|> cobbler does it support provisioning of HVM xen guests?
[10:19] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/746865/
[10:19] <koolhead11> the shell script in postinstall i have used to inject ssh key :D
[10:22] <koolhead11> lynxman, got few minutes
[10:22] <eagles0513875|> anyone know or worked with cobbler on 11.10
[10:22] <lynxman> koolhead11: for you always :)
[10:23] <koolhead11> lynxman, sir :D
[10:23] <koolhead11> lynxman, any idea, which file i need to add modify for better log output in dash/django
[10:23] <lynxman> koolhead11: I do! one sec... *looking*
[10:24] <koolhead11> cool
[10:24] <koolhead11> i see this INFO:root:Running in debug mode without debug_toolbar.
[10:24] <lynxman> koolhead11: just add DEBUG=True to your django site conf
[10:25]  * koolhead11 wonders what will that be for dashboard
[10:27] <lynxman> koolhead11: there should be a config.py somewhere
[10:27] <lynxman> koolhead11: I forgot more django in 1 year than I wish to admit
[10:27] <koolhead11> checking
[10:28] <koolhead11> :p
[10:29] <koolhead11> lynxman, u meant settings.py
[10:29] <lynxman> koolhead11: yeah that *smacks own head*
[10:29] <koolhead11> lynxman, go grab a coffee :D
[10:29] <lynxman> koolhead11: I had already one, looks like a need a second one...
[10:29] <koolhead11> hehe
[10:49] <Daviey> koolhead11: How did you get on with, https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive/openstack-updates ?
[10:50] <koolhead11> Daviey, i have not tried that. not updated the server yet
[10:51] <koolhead11> am foo fighting to get bloody dash show me some love
[10:52] <koolhead11> i have been able to get the teaser so far, more than 24 hours and counting :P
[10:56] <Daviey> heh
[11:02] <uksysadmin> cheers koolhead11
[11:03] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, did i saved some time of yours :D
[11:03] <eagles0513875|> hey guys any cobbler users here on 11.10
[11:03] <eagles0513875|> or ubuntu orchestra users here
[11:04] <uksysadmin> not had chance to try it yet - been in a meeting
[11:04] <koolhead11> k
[11:04] <uksysadmin> eagles0513875|, yes and its testing my patience
[11:05] <eagles0513875|> ahh how come uksysadmin
[11:06] <uksysadmin> my logical brain doesn't extend to d-i weirdness in some preseed files ;-)
[11:06] <eagles0513875|> ?
[11:06] <eagles0513875|> ya lost me
[11:06] <eagles0513875|> uksysadmin:  have you tried provisioning HVM based xen guests with it?
[11:06] <uksysadmin> I'm trying to do a simple install and after its installed everything, run a script
[11:06] <uksysadmin> eagles0513875|,no
[11:07] <Deathvalley122> do you think it might work with HVM guests uksysadmin?
[11:07] <koolhead11> Deathvalley122, i would suggest you to check #cobbler channel
[11:07] <eagles0513875|> ok
[11:08] <eagles0513875|> koolhead11: ya its dead in there right now
[11:08] <Deathvalley122> google is no help either
[11:08] <Deathvalley122> cause it does not mention anything about cobbler on google lol
[11:11] <uksysadmin> not sure what you're asking Deathvalley122 - I'm not using Orchestra for any guests - just bare metal provisioning of OpenStack
[11:11] <eagles0513875|> uksysadmin: ahh ok does open stack use something like xen as a hypervisor or does it have its own
[11:11] <Deathvalley122> don't worry about it I will find something
[11:12] <eagles0513875|> uksysadmin: you working with xen kvm or vmware as virtualization back end
[11:12] <PedroGomes> Hi, on my pressed PXE template I have "keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=us" but when it boots from the network it shows the menu asking me the keyboard layout, any advice?
[11:14] <Deathvalley122> all we want to do is provision HVM xen guests on cobbler is all uksysadmin
[11:16] <uksysadmin> I'm working on physical tin - not virtual
[11:16]  * uksysadmin isn't someone you want to ask Qs on Orchestra - it has reduced me to a n00b
[11:17] <eagles0513875|> ahh ok thats different then
[11:17] <eagles0513875|> uksysadmin: no it hasn't one thing you might like more is juju for service deployment :D
[11:17] <uksysadmin> indeed - that's next
[11:17] <koolhead11> eagles0513875|, :P
[11:18] <uksysadmin> just being able to run a little script is all I ask
[11:18] <uksysadmin> :)
[11:18] <eagles0513875|> uksysadmin: then you want juju for that
[11:18] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, you can easily do that with late-preseed option
[11:19] <uksysadmin> I've barely got OpenStack working using scripting - if someone has juju charms for OpenStack and a manual for setting up Orchestra to provision OpenStack, send it my way
[11:19] <eagles0513875|> uksysadmin: there aren't yet but i  know someone who works for backspace that I'm hoping i can push him to do the script would be a great addition to the charms :D
[11:19] <uksysadmin> absolutely - I've been teased by the things for weeks!
[11:20] <uksysadmin> it was announced in Paris a while back it was the way to go
[11:20] <koolhead11> i need some information about PPA. suppose there is a package which is available in archiev and am adding a PPA for same. will i be able to get the pkg downloaded from PPA or archive
[11:20]  * koolhead11 is confused
[11:20] <uksysadmin> in the meantime, I can install ubuntu, run a script and voila - OpenStack
[11:20] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, :P
[11:20] <CppIsWeird> where is the system umask configured?
[11:21]  * uksysadmin has a red hat background and this stuff is childsplay using kickstart
[11:21] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, :P
[11:21] <uksysadmin> ;-()
[11:22]  * uksysadmin checks he's wearing flame-retardant underwear
[11:22] <eagles0513875|> lol
[11:23] <koolhead11> bahh
[11:29] <lynxman> koolhead11: if you create your own ppa you can just add it to your server with add-apt-repository ppa:username/ppaname
[11:30] <koolhead11> lynxman, yeah. my question was i have say pkg A which is allready in pkg archieve and i created/installed one via PPA which will get installed :D
[11:31] <lynxman> CppIsWeird: It's in /etc/login.defs
[11:31] <lynxman> uksysadmin: kickstart it's child's play compared to Orchestra ;)
[11:31] <lynxman> koolhead11: if the version is > it should be fine
[11:32] <koolhead11> lynxman, aah
[11:33] <lynxman> s/it's/is/
[11:34]  * koolhead11 kicks uksysadmin 
[11:35] <uksysadmin> oi!
[11:35] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, am scared of ***flame**
[11:35] <koolhead11> :D
[11:36] <uksysadmin> :)
[11:36]  * uksysadmin crosses fingers. 19th pxe boot's a charm I reckon.
[11:37] <Daviey> uksysadmin: can i see your config?
[11:38] <uksysadmin> let me see yours :p
[11:39] <uksysadmin> if my config works - I'll let anyone who pays me see it. apart from koolhead11 as I pinched the last bit from him.
[11:39] <uksysadmin> ;-)
[11:39]  * koolhead11 kicks uksysadmin again!!
[11:40] <Daviey> uksysadmin: works for me... I'm going to add "if user="uksysadmin: kernelpanic()" to many of the packages you care about. :)
[11:40] <uksysadmin> awesome - fame at last.
[11:41] <koolhead11> hahahaha
[11:41] <uksysadmin> if you hold off Daviey - I'll have a working system in 5 mins.
[11:41] <uksysadmin> if it doesn't work - you can have my config and be damned to eternal reboots for ever.
[11:42] <uksysadmin> my set up is rather simpl: boot oneiric, grab a script, runs a script, installs OpenStack
[11:46] <uksysadmin> So Daviey, do you want to see my config and laugh, or see my config and go "n00b"?  The script is a stock example preeseed that runs an OpenStack install script I wrote in the late run section
[11:55] <uksysadmin> so those who like to give juju love - rather than pre-seeding a script to do stuff, what is the best way to run stuff post-install using juju?  i.e. what does a set up look like from bare metal where I've pre-allocated it to do a particular task?
[11:56] <uksysadmin> if OpenStack charms existed
[11:56] <uksysadmin> (an example where it sets up /something/ in juju would be handy)
[11:56] <lynxman> uksysadmin: There's an Openstack charm :)
[11:57] <koolhead11> zul, around?
[11:57] <uksysadmin> is there now...
[11:57] <uksysadmin> I'm listening...
[11:58] <lynxman> uksysadmin: https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers
[11:59] <uksysadmin> intriguing
[12:00] <zul> koolhead11: still waking up....
[12:01] <lynxman> zul: good moaning
[12:02] <uksysadmin> has anyone installed openstack using charms? it's quite a feat to install.
[12:02] <uksysadmin> or specifically - to install in a datacentre and not in a little sandpit environment
[12:03] <uksysadmin> would the steps be edit the charm, modify the networking and ... how do you get Orchestra to kick off a juju deployment?
[12:05] <lynxman> uksysadmin: no need to edit any charm
[12:05]  * uksysadmin was wondering why preseed was stuck at 23% for last 5 mins. F4 had the answer... now how to press "Y" to continue... ;-)
[12:05] <uksysadmin> ok
[12:05] <lynxman> uksysadmin: just create your charm config and run
[12:06] <uksysadmin> I need to go to charm school
[12:07] <uksysadmin> What does an preseed file look like that goes "juju deploy blah" - is that literally something you put in the late_command section or is there a more eloquent juju friendly way?
[12:08] <lynxman> uksysadmin: you assign the machine a juju-deployment profile through orchestra, then just use regular juju commands
[12:09] <smoser> semiosis, what exact instructions were you trying ?
[12:10] <lynxman> smoser: morning sir
[12:10] <smoser> good morning.
[12:11] <uksysadmin> one shall have a play lynxman
[12:11] <lynxman> uksysadmin: :D
[12:28] <koolhead11> zul, good morning :D
[12:30]  * uksysadmin is getting there - at least script runs now... now onto networking and partitioning...
[12:31] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, cool.
[12:34] <uksysadmin> doesn't run as intended, but one small step for mankind and all that!
[12:43] <kaushal> Hi
[12:51] <kaushal> can someone please comment on http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/746982/
[12:51] <kaushal> I am on Ubuntu-server 10.04
[12:51] <kaushal> LTS
[12:52] <kaushal> Any clue please ?
[12:52] <RoyK> kaushal: erm...
[12:52] <RoyK> 17163091969 seconds is like 544 years
[12:53]  * RoyK somewhat doubts kaushal was running linux back in 1467
[12:54] <kaushal> RoyK: apologies
[12:54] <kaushal> please give me a moment
[13:01] <yaboo> whats good software to monitor my box, e.g. chkrootkit, cacti???
[13:02] <yaboo> whats good software to monitor my box, e.g. chkrootkit, cacti???
[13:02]  * koolhead11 points yaboo to google
[13:03] <yaboo> whats good software to monitor my box, e.g. chkrootkit, cacti???, sorry to ask again seems my irc client did not show me the response to my question
[13:04] <lynxman> yaboo: software good for you, cacti, rsyslog, munin, nagios
[13:05] <yaboo> lynx man thanks, using cacti, is rsyslog more on the os level, to check when files get changed etc
[13:05] <lynxman> yaboo: wow, I didn't know that
[13:05]  * lynxman ashamed of himself
[13:05] <lynxman> :D
[13:06] <yaboo> lynxman, just asking, never heard of rsyslog
[13:06] <lynxman> yaboo: so you don't want a monitoring solution, you want a tripwire
[13:06] <lynxman> yaboo: you can use ossec for that
[13:06] <yaboo> tripwire?? ossec, thanks
[13:32] <uksysadmin> is there any way to preseed a ubuntu server with multiple nics and assign multiple IPs?
[13:33] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, expalin
[13:34] <uksysadmin> I have eth0 and eth1.  eth0 always gets my settings from my preseed, how do I enable eth1?
[13:34] <uksysadmin> as well
[13:34] <koolhead11> uksysadmin, i did that using my late command. :)
[13:35] <uksysadmin> was wondering if that was the only option
[13:35] <koolhead11> the preseed i shared u
[13:35] <uksysadmin> yeah
[13:35] <uksysadmin> ta
[13:40] <philipballew> How can I tell If i have a proxy running
[13:41] <koolhead11> netstat -tulpn | grep 3128
[13:42] <philipballew> philip@philip-Studio-1558:~$ netstat -tulpn | grep 3128
[13:42] <philipballew> (Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info
[13:42] <philipballew>  will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.)
[13:42] <philipballew> philip@philip-Studio-1558:~$ sudo !!
[13:42] <philipballew> sudo netstat -tulpn | grep 3128
[13:42] <philipballew> [sudo] password for philip:
[13:42] <philipballew> philip@philip-Studio-1558:~$
[13:43] <koolhead11> philipballew, would you care reading squid part in ubuntu server guide at same time https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/
[13:44] <philipballew> sure :)
[13:45] <koolhead11> thanks philipballew
[13:46] <philipballew> alright. how can i se if i can get my self back into america?
[13:49] <philipballew> koolhead11, Whats a way to fix this
[13:50] <zul> morning
[13:51] <koolhead11> zul, :)
[13:51] <koolhead11> tried your PPA and got some error
[13:52] <koolhead11> for keystone reg unmet deps
[13:52] <koolhead11> python-keystone
[13:54] <zul> koolhead11: eh?
[13:54] <koolhead11> yes :(
[13:55] <zul> can you pastebin it?
[13:55] <koolhead11> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747038/
[13:55] <koolhead11> am using oneiric and then added PPA of yours
[13:58] <zul> sudo apt-get install keystone python-keystone for now please
[13:58] <smb> hallyn, Fun, I think I found out what the problem with those nfs4 mounts is...
[13:59] <koolhead11> k lemme try
[14:00] <koolhead11> zul, http://paste.ubuntu.com/747043/
[14:01] <zul> koolhead11: k thanks
[14:01] <zul> koolhead11: gimme a couple of minutes
[14:02] <hallyn> smb: oh?
[14:02] <smb> hallyn, In short there is no nfs4 module which the command tries to load...
[14:03] <smb> It is the same nfs module than for nfs...
[14:03] <hallyn> smb: you're talking about a userspace module?  or kernel module?
[14:03] <smb> A kernel module of course :)
[14:04] <smb> The magic is that mount -tnfs loads the kernel nfs module
[14:04] <hallyn> so userspace needs to be told that nfs module is ok?
[14:04] <smb> mount -tnfs4 tries the same with an nfs4 module which does not exist
[14:04] <smb> /etc/modrpobe.d/nfs4.conf: alias nfs4 nfs
[14:04] <smb> That should do the trick
[14:04] <hallyn> smb: nice :)
[14:05] <koolhead11> zul, rocking as Daviey  says :D
[14:05] <smb> But I wait for reporters feedback
[14:05] <hallyn> smb: if you want to comment that in the bug, i'll happily test it on lucid..oneiric with autofs
[14:05] <hallyn> oh, ok
[14:05] <smb> hallyn, Done already.
[14:05] <semiosis> smoser: thanks for getting back to me.  i downloaded http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/server/oneiric/current/oneiric-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img then i launched it using virt-manager.  that got me to a login prompt but the creds were not accepted.
[14:05] <hallyn> smb: ok i haven't read email backlog yet :)  thanks!
[14:06] <semiosis> smoser: my workstation is vmx capable 64-bit oneiric
[14:06] <smb> hallyn, Meh, I just did it, so there is chance you have not even have got any email
[14:06] <smoser> semiosis, there are no creds.
[14:07] <semiosis> so how does one login?
[14:07] <smoser> you cannot log in without providing some user-data.
[14:08] <smoser> i suggest for your virt-manager path to make yourself an iso as described at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images#Ubuntu_Cloud_Guest_images_on_Local_Hypervisor_Natty_onward
[14:08] <smoser> and just attach it.
[14:09] <smoser> by 'attach' i mean provide that as a CD-ROM to virt-manager.
[14:09] <smoser> then it will boot and read the customization data from that iso (which includes setting password for 'ubuntu' to 'passw0rd')
[14:09] <semiosis> smoser: what is the meaning of the following section, "Ubuntu Cloud Guest images on Local Hypervisor (Oneiric)"
[14:10] <semiosis> smoser: that makes it sound like you can just launch the downloaded qcow2 .img file directly
[14:10] <smoser> yeah, thats just bad documentation.
[14:10] <semiosis> smoser: ha
[14:10] <semiosis> smoser: it would be better if that section were removed completely
[14:11] <semiosis> smoser: but i digress.  thanks for setting me straight :)
[14:11] <semiosis> i'll go the natty iso route
[14:11] <smoser> so, the reason that these do not have any credentials for logging in is that we expect people to launch them on public networks.
[14:12] <semiosis> makes sense
[14:15] <semiosis> so if i understand this correctly then, i'll use the make-iso step to build my user-data ISO file, ovftransport.iso, then skip the qemu-img step because the oneiric image is already in qcow2 format, then jump down to the kvm step to launch the stock img with my custom user-data iso?
[14:15] <zul> koolhead11: fixed it needs to be rebuilt though
[14:16] <koolhead11> zul, am here for another 3 hours and i can see the same once am home as well
[14:16] <koolhead11> to test the keystone i need to check the curl commands after passing the sampledata
[14:16] <koolhead11> so i can do it today itself
[14:16] <zul> koolhead11: k
[14:17] <koolhead11> lets get keystone up and running. :)
[14:18] <semiosis> smoser: ?
[14:19] <smoser> semiosis, you actually want to convert the image.
[14:19] <smoser> but not because you have to
[14:20] <smoser> it is a compressed qcow disk image, which means that all reads to that disk will go through cpu decompression
[14:20] <smoser> which clearly you dont want.
[14:20] <semiosis> that explains why it was so unbelievably slow lol
[14:21] <smoser> the compressed image is massively useful because a.) its significantly smaller b.) it *can* be "just used"
[14:23] <semiosis> ok great i'm going to have fun playing with this stuff.  thanks again smoser :)
[14:26] <smoser> semiosis, i suggest you read that user-data file and the doc in cloud-init's doc/examples directory also
[14:26] <smoser> to see what other things you can do.
[14:27] <smoser> and be aware that that demo will set you up with password less authentication with a ssh key.  however, everyone else in the world has the same access to that private key as you do.
[14:27] <smoser> it is a *DEMO*
[14:28] <semiosis> yeah i'm already reading that stuff & planning the fun things i'll be doing with it.
[14:28]  * semiosis is a huge fan of cloud-init
[14:28] <semiosis> going to skip password auth altogether & supply my own pubkey
[14:29] <semiosis> set up some stuff to integrate launched instances with my lab lan
[14:29] <semiosis> etc etc
[14:30] <smoser> semiosis, updated page.
[14:32] <semiosis> w00t
[14:36] <semiosis> heh when i tried the qemu-img create command it make a 200k file, not sure what that was... but with the convert command you just added to the docs it created a 600M file which is more like what I expected
[14:37] <smoser> qemu-img create makes a delta image
[14:37] <smoser> you can see info about a disk image with 'qcow-img info'
[14:37] <smoser> note that the 200k file basically just says "hey, get data from *that* file over there"
[14:37] <smoser> then, writes to that disk from kvm go to the delta image
[14:38] <smoser> and it will grow over time.
[14:38] <smoser> "qcow" ~ 'q' copy on write
[14:38] <semiosis> but using that the vm would still have to go through gunzip for all reads from the original file
[14:39] <smoser> right.
[14:39] <smoser> you can also do the backing file to a raw disk image
[14:39] <smoser> or a qcow (uncompressed) disk image
[14:39] <semiosis> hmm so after decompressing the img with convert, could I then use the create command to make a new cow file for each VM, then they could all read from the same master decompressed image
[14:40] <smoser> right
[14:40] <semiosis> sweet!
[14:41] <semiosis> this is great.  i'm new to qemu-kvm (obvs.) so this is very helpful.  i've been using centos xen with lvm disks & getting ready to wipe the old vm server & start over with ubuntu
[14:41] <semiosis> to match new production network in ec2
[14:46] <semiosis> ah i see now the ovf/README describes all that disk image stuff too.
[14:46]  * semiosis goes to study
[14:49] <uksysadmin>  under what scenario does apt create "dpkg-new" files? on a clean install with no prior packages installed my upstart job files are being created with .dpkg-new on the end...
[14:50] <uksysadmin> (not all, just some - specifically the ones I'm running in my late command section)
[14:51] <PedroGomes> Hi, in my Ubuntu PXE installation it stops in a window "Detect network hardware" that asks if I want have a way of installing some missing firmware. How do I pass it automatically with a PXE pressed flag?
[14:54] <smoser> utlemming, i was following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images#preview for arm images
[14:54] <smoser> i think i did it correctly
[14:54] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747084/
[14:55] <smoser> with 20111123 armel image.
[14:57] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: it does that when both the package, and you, have changed that file
[14:58]  * SpamapS really wishes dpkg had 3-way conffile merges
[14:59] <uksysadmin> SpamapS, bizarre... will have to do some digging as there was no original file in the first place and I've literally just logged into a fresh install wondering why something didn't start
[15:00] <uksysadmin> (complained of the upstart job conf file not being found)
[15:00] <uksysadmin> I would've expected a .conf file and a .conf.dpkg-new - but not *just* the latter
[15:13] <smoser> kirkland, fyi, current precise cloud image
[15:13] <smoser> LC_BYOBU=1 ssh 10.55.60.132
[15:13] <smoser> seems not to do anything
[15:14] <kirkland> smoser: i think a byobu upload is blocked on an MIR promotion of tmux
[15:14] <kirkland> smoser: as I've promoted tmux to a recommends
[15:14] <smoser> LC_BYOBU=1 sh /etc/profile.d/Z97-byobu.sh
[15:14] <kirkland> smoser: and it's waiting on ubuntu-mir to approve it
[15:14] <smoser> doesn't do anythign either
[15:14] <kirkland> smoser: does /etc/profile.d/Z97-byobu.sh exist?
[15:14] <smoser> yes.
[15:14] <kirkland> smoser: byobu -v?
[15:15] <smoser> $ byobu -v
[15:15] <smoser> byobu version 4.49
[15:15] <smoser> Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06
[15:16] <smoser> wow. but 'time byobu true'
[15:16] <smoser> real    0m7.527s
[15:16] <kirkland> smoser: umm, something's wrong there
[15:17] <smoser> ok. so LC_BYOBU=1 was because i was coming in under screen.
[15:17] <smoser> maybe allow me to LC_BYOBU=2 to "REALLY FREAKING DO IT"
[15:17] <smoser> but still very slow
[15:19] <smoser> yeah. and even when not connecting from insdie screen, 'time byobu true' is taking several seconds. 7-11.
[15:19] <kirkland> smoser: this is in ec2
[15:19] <kirkland> ?
[15:19] <smoser> canonistack.
[15:23] <smoser> hm...
[15:23] <smoser> but that doesn't take so long on ec2
[15:23] <smoser> i bet something user data
[15:23] <smoser> ah
[15:23] <smoser> yeap
[15:23] <smoser> suck
[15:23] <smoser> kirkland,
[15:23] <kirkland> smoser: metadata?
[15:23] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/851159
[15:24] <smoser> you're blocking on that for the ec2 cost thing.
[15:24] <kirkland> smoser: there's an exit condition
[15:24] <kirkland> smoser: i need to strengthen that against openstack, i reckon
[15:24] <smoser> well, i think the right thing to do is to background that
[15:25] <smoser> as that you shouldn't really be able to tell that you're in openstack versus ec2
[15:25] <smoser> and anything you try to do will only potentially get fixed
[15:39] <caribou> Has someone noticed that Oneiric KVM vm never get to the "shut down" status when shutdown ???
[15:40] <caribou> I systematically need to virsh-destroy the instance
[15:42] <kirkland> smoser: agreed
[15:42] <kirkland> smoser: would you file a bug?
[15:42] <kirkland> smoser: or mark that other bug as affecting byobu?
[15:46] <kirkland> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747167/
[15:47] <kirkland> smoser: could you improve upon that any?
[15:47] <kirkland> smoser: maybe I need to cache the output of that function
[15:47] <kirkland> smoser: so that it doesn't need to run more than once
[15:48] <kirkland> smoser: and it would cost at most 1 second on first run
[15:52] <smoser> kirkland, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/byobu/+bug/894038
[15:52] <kirkland> smoser: okay, i almost have a fix for you to true
[15:52] <kirkland> smoser: just a minute ...
[15:53] <smoser> note the comment there.  access to that (or any) non-local network resource could potentially hang indefinitely.
[15:56] <kirkland> smoser: indefinitely?
[15:57] <smoser> yes.
[15:57] <smoser> the default timeout of a socket connection is never
[15:57] <kirkland> smoser: can you try applying http://paste.ubuntu.com/747176/
[15:57] <kirkland> smoser: wget -q -O- --timeout=1 --tries=1 ?
[15:58] <smoser> wget does seem to do it right, and the '--timeout' does come back in 1.
[15:59] <kirkland> smoser: good -- that's what metadata_available() uses
[15:59] <smoser> i wouldn't rely on either of those 2 things to decide if you sould run or not
[15:59] <smoser> as clearly they're not going to exist on non-ubuntu
[16:01] <smoser> sh -c 'wget --tries=1 --timeout=1 http://169.254.169.254 -O - -q >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo 1 > .metadata_available'  &
[16:01] <smoser> just fork it.
[16:01] <smoser> even maybe bump the timeout too
[16:01] <kirkland> interesting
[16:01] <kirkland> that if will wait for the result correctly?
[16:02] <smoser> yeah.
[16:02] <kirkland> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747183/ ?
[16:03] <smoser> well that wont work
[16:03] <smoser> as yo wont wait. i'm thinking you'll always take the x=1 path there.
[16:03] <smoser> $ if false &  then echo yes ;fi
[16:03] <smoser> [1] 1308
[16:03] <smoser> yes
[16:04] <smoser> :)
[16:04] <kirkland> smoser: right, that's not it
[16:08] <kirkland> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747190/
[16:08] <smoser> how will 1 get written there?
[16:09] <kirkland> smoser: not 1
[16:09] <kirkland> smoser: -s
[16:09] <kirkland> smoser: non-empty file :)
[16:09] <smoser> ah. yeah.
[16:09] <kirkland> smoser: fun?
[16:10] <kirkland> smoser: can you test this there?
[16:11] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747197/
[16:12] <kirkland> smoser: sleep == uglier
[16:12] <smoser> meh.
[16:12] <smoser> just giving it achance that one time that that path is taken
[16:13] <smoser> but basically you'll need to background all your gets of that
[16:14] <kirkland> smoser: well, you're not re-reading it after that sleep
[16:14] <smoser> you're right. i'm not.
[16:14] <kirkland> smoser: so if wget does the right thing (and you don't pay for more than 1 second), let's do that
[16:14] <kirkland> smoser: first run of that function costs at most 1 second
[16:15] <kirkland> smoser: subsequent runs are inconsequential b/c the cache has been written
[16:15] <smoser> not really.
[16:15] <smoser> openstack metadata is slow
[16:15] <smoser> so the --timeout=1 is going to fail
[16:15] <smoser> and you'll have "no metadata" service
[16:15] <smoser> but you *do* have one
[16:16] <smoser> so background the --timeout=10, to give it a chance.
[16:16] <kirkland> smoser: that's *so* an openstack bug :-P
[16:16] <kirkland> smoser: but i'll work around it :-)
[16:16] <smoser> well...
[16:16] <smoser> you're setting an arbitrary timeout on a non-local io operation
[16:16] <smoser> and you were blocking initialization on that
[16:17] <smoser> but yes, its a serious bug that it is as slow as it is.
[16:17] <SpamapS> isn't metadata always on ethX ?
[16:19] <kirkland> smoser: ah
[16:19] <kirkland> smoser: i see now...
[16:19] <kirkland> smoser: even if we have metadata, on openstack, it's a big pile a suck
[16:19] <SpamapS> seems like you could have an upstart job that starts on net-device-up ethX ADDRFAM=x METHOD=x
[16:20] <smoser> SpamapS, thats probably a bad assumption
[16:20] <SpamapS> smoser: its worth checking to see if any of them have routes to the metadata IP
[16:20] <kirkland> smoser: okay, i'm going to have to handle this like updates_available
[16:20] <SpamapS> so yeah, ethX is bad
[16:21] <SpamapS> but put that code in an upstart task that starts on net-device-up
[16:21] <smoser> SpamapS, how would you do that ?
[16:21] <SpamapS> or an if-up.d script
[16:21] <smoser> how would you determine "can i see <insert-some-ip-here>"
[16:21] <smoser> i'm asking generically
[16:21] <smoser> how do you know if non-response is slowness or permenant
[16:22] <SpamapS> smoser: ip route show dev $IFACE
[16:22] <SpamapS> ok forget the route check
[16:22] <SpamapS> don't start polling until the dev is up.. if you get a "no route to host" .. give up.. wait for the next ifup
[16:23] <SpamapS> smoser: I get what you're saying.. the VM's iface up does not mean the other side's metadata service is up
[16:23] <smoser> i'm asking more generically
[16:23] <smoser> ie, from one system (the cloud-images build system), wget -q -O- --tries=1 http://169.254.169.254
[16:23] <smoser> will *never* come back
[16:24] <SpamapS> you won't get a no route?
[16:24] <smoser> as the host system that that runs has firewall rules allowing traffic to only a small number of things.
[16:24] <smoser> anything else just hangs.
[16:24] <SpamapS> I guess you do have to check for the direct local route first then
[16:25] <SpamapS> smoser: I never said don't have a timeout!
[16:25] <SpamapS> I'm saying don't start waiting until you know you at least have the capability to reach the other side.
[16:25] <smoser> ah. right.
[16:25] <smoser> to see if traffic would go through that device
[16:25] <smoser> but this is not going to help kirkland
[16:25] <smoser> really.
[16:26] <smoser> or, if it does, its really seriously over designed for that
[16:26] <smoser> :)
[16:31] <SpamapS> smoser: yeah in thinking it through here, I see that its not really the problem.
[16:35] <urthmover> I'm installing 11.10 using a minimal install.  The Kernel to  install section has many choices.  What is the difference between  linux-server and linux-image-3.0.0-13-server ?
[16:36] <SpamapS> urthmover: I believe the first is just an alias for the second
[16:36] <urthmover> that is what I think too, so I thought I would check
[16:36] <urthmover> SpamapS: thanks
[16:36] <urthmover> I'll go with that
[16:36] <SpamapS> kirkland: hey, what do I do if my byobu is set for "emacs" ctrl-A mode, and my keyboard doesn't have an f12?
[16:41] <hallyn> SpamapS, eh what?  ctrl-a and f12 should do the same thing in byobu?
[16:42] <SpamapS> I thought so
[16:42] <SpamapS> duno..
[16:42] <SpamapS> I can't get out of a byobu I started with ctrl-a d and I see its being passed through
[16:43] <hallyn> weird
[16:50] <koolhead11> Daviey, around?
[17:00] <Daviey> koolhead11: always
[17:01] <koolhead11> Daviey, working on that sqlite bug, so was confused which directory i should run dch -i
[17:01] <koolhead11> debuild -S -sa
[17:01] <koolhead11> comamnds
[17:01] <koolhead11> poked lynxman and got the soln :d
[17:01] <lynxman> :)
[17:02] <Daviey> koolhead11: on the upstream root location
[17:02] <Daviey> so you should be able to see debian/
[17:02] <koolhead11> yes
[17:03] <koolhead11> so from php5
[17:03] <koolhead11> in my case
[17:03] <koolhead11> :D
[17:03] <koolhead11> so Daviey as per steave suggestion i am removing line which says sqlite SQLite
[17:04] <koolhead11> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/875262
[17:07] <koolhead11> add maintainer scripts for the php5-sqlite package which call dpkg-maintscript-helper to handle removal of the obsolete conffile /etc/php5/conf.d/sqlite.ini
[17:07] <koolhead11> you have to expalin once more Daviey
[17:09] <Daviey> koolhead11: I think we need to do it in a shared screen session TBH
[17:10] <koolhead11> Daviey, in that case i will need a remote machine running ubuntu?
[17:11] <koolhead11> i will be home in hour time, can we work on it if you have some time today? :D
[17:12] <Daviey> koolhead11: Hopefully, i'll set up an instance.
[17:12] <koolhead11> Daviey, awesome. :D
[18:12] <kirkland> smoser: around?
[18:12] <kirkland> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747344/
[18:13] <kirkland> smoser: that's what I'm testing now
[18:22] <smoser> kirkland, not erally her.e maybe i can look later.
[18:22] <kirkland> smoser: okay
[18:22] <kirkland> smoser: i'm testing no
[18:45] <PedroGomes> does anyone have a perseed configuration file for partition configuration that works with 11.10
[18:45] <PedroGomes> ?
[18:49] <SpamapS> PedroGomes: it depends on what you want to do with your partitions..
[18:49] <SpamapS> PedroGomes: this has information on how to do complex partitioning: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt
[18:51] <azert> helllo anyone there ?
[18:51] <PedroGomes> SpamapS: I was trying to use a simple template: http://pastebin.com/ZiFh8FsA
[18:52] <zul> Daviey: exposing the swift stats doesnt really get you anything extra, its just the system load which we already have plugins for
[18:52] <adam_g> zul: exposing it for what?
[18:52] <Daviey> ahh
[18:52] <zul> adam_g: nagios plugins
[18:52] <PedroGomes> it is the default file given in Foreman(Puppet)
[18:52] <adam_g> zul: check out https://github.com/pandemicsyn/swift-recon#readme
[18:53] <PedroGomes> but it always stops in the Partition disks section
[18:53] <adam_g> zul: i think this is merged into swift main now, but you can get all kinds of stats about the state of the storage ring too
[18:53] <h0rjulf> PedroGomes: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html#preseed-partman
[18:53] <h0rjulf> PedroGomes: there is a sample file there too
[18:53] <zul> adam_g: yeah thats what i have been using ;) and you dont get anything extra if you do /load
[18:54] <zul> maybe swift processes and thats it
[18:55] <adam_g> zul: oh, so you're already monitoring for unmounted drives, lots of async pendings?
[18:55] <PedroGomes> h0rjulf: many thanks, I was wondering if such a page existed
[18:56] <zul> adam_g: point taken
[19:01] <kirkland> hallyn: Bug #888245
[19:01] <kirkland> hallyn: so I don't see a fix available to that one
[19:01] <kirkland> hallyn: poke me and let me know if you find how to do that
[19:01] <hallyn> sounds like a design flaw :)
[19:02] <kirkland> hallyn: and poke me again if this is blocking you from using byobu/tmux :-)
[19:02] <kirkland> hallyn: agreed
[19:02] <kirkland> hallyn: i'll probably need to work something into upstream tmux to solve it
[19:02] <hallyn> nah it's not blocking me.  just annoying
[19:02] <kirkland> hallyn: perhaps something in conjunction with "last-pane"
[19:02] <hallyn> it may not be solvable...
[19:02] <hallyn> cleanly anyway
[19:02] <kirkland> hallyn: well, it's just a buffer that needs to be stored
[19:03] <hallyn> but at that layer,
[19:03] <kirkland> hallyn: and updated correctly
[19:03] <hallyn> do you know the height of each pane above both columns
[19:03] <kirkland> hallyn: you and i have it in our heads where the cursor should go
[19:03] <hallyn> right
[19:03] <kirkland> hallyn: hmm, perhaps through tput or something
[19:03] <kirkland> hallyn: but not at my level
[19:03] <hallyn> true, that might be not-too-ugly
[19:04] <hallyn> if you then walk through each pane in the column you're goin gto, and check which one has that y coordinate from the original cursor position
[19:04] <hallyn> wait, no,
[19:04] <hallyn> heh, that's not the behavior i was after :)
[19:04] <kirkland> :-)(
[19:05] <Guest23311> hi in here. I found out that root has a /bin/bash on one of my servers. if i run: passwd -dl root would that be enough?
[19:06] <hallyn> kirkland: and since you can change the height of the bottom left column relative to bottom right, it might not even be clear which you want
[19:06] <hallyn> oh well
[19:07] <kirkland> hallyn: meh, yeah
[19:07] <kirkland> hallyn: sorry
[19:07] <hallyn> kirkland, so, hey, do you still have bored amd laptops looking for something to do?
[19:08] <kirkland> hallyn: i don't;  i gave them all back to robbiew
[19:08] <hallyn> drat
[19:08] <hallyn> ok, thanks
[19:08] <kirkland> hallyn: why?  need to john some passwords?
[19:08] <hallyn> were those vostros???
[19:08] <kirkland> hallyn: or mine some bitcoins?  :-)
[19:08] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah
[19:08] <hallyn> bug 882997 wants to be reproduced
[19:09] <kirkland> hallyn: ah
[19:09] <kirkland> hallyn: sorry
[19:09] <hallyn> i'll hit up robbie next week then :)
[19:09] <hallyn> thx - happy thanksgiving!
[19:10] <kirkland> hallyn: np
[19:10] <kirkland> hallyn: see ya!
[19:10] <adam_g> jhelwig: ping
[19:11] <jhelwig> adam_g: Pong
[19:12] <adam_g> jhelwig: hey jacob. i was wondering, has puppet added support to the service type to support managing upstart jobs? /me wondering if this patch we carry is still needed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747404/
[19:13] <jhelwig> adam_g: Dunno.  I'll check.
[19:16] <jhelwig> adam_g: There is an upstart provider for service as of 2.7.0.
[19:17] <adam_g> jhelwig: schweet, thanks!
[19:27] <azert> hello there
[19:27] <azert> how to run ls on several pc ?
[19:27] <azert> in one time ?
[19:28] <raubvogel> azert: are you looking for a specific file in all those machines?
[19:28] <raubvogel> Otherwise, send the ls command through ssh
[19:28] <azert> yes ls /home/user
[19:29] <azert> i got 5 machine
[19:29] <azert> i don't want to connect one by one
[19:29] <raubvogel> make a loop
[19:29] <azert> in one line i would like to do ls
[19:29] <raubvogel> ssh can send a command inside it
[19:30] <raubvogel> A for loop can be done in one line
[19:30] <PedroGomes> azert: look int tools like cssh
[19:30] <PedroGomes> *into
[19:31] <PedroGomes> csshX for mac
[19:32] <azert> i don't want to use ccss
[19:33] <raubvogel> azert: then I do not know the answer
[19:34] <azert> ok no problem
[19:34] <JanC> use sshfs and mount all 5 machines somewhere on the local machine?  ;)
[19:41] <azert> mounting 5 machines
[19:41] <azert> can you explain ?
[19:43] <azert> more
[19:47] <Vinny> Can Someone help me regarding a built in raid controller for a supermirco X9SCL Mother board, The installer is not picking up the raid
[19:47] <Vinny> I tried the Intel, and LSI and still no detection
[20:15] <User1002> Does this sound even right for a encrypted backup system | 7zip all files wanted for backup -> Make 500byte random file -> use 500byte file for AES256 encryption -> Using RSA pub/priv keys (4096bit) encrypt the 500byte file, and scub off system) -> PAR2 the archive and the encrypted key -> Zip everyting up and upload somewhere
[20:15] <SpamapS> Vinny: can you boot a livecd and pastebin 'lspci' on it?
[20:16] <SpamapS> User1002: what you just described is how PGP/GPG works.
[20:16] <User1002> I do it by hand I guess
[20:16] <User1002> I did it with Openssl
[20:16] <SpamapS> User1002: at least, the bit about encrypting the message with a symmetric key which is encrypted byt he public/private pair
[20:16] <SpamapS> User1002: rolling your own crypto solutions is generally a bad idea.
[20:17] <User1002> At the time it was the only thing I could fine
[20:17] <User1002> that would work on any VPS I did it on
[20:17] <User1002> without anything extra
[20:18] <SpamapS> gpg should be available pretty much anywhere
[20:19] <SpamapS> User1002: you may want to look at duplicity
[20:19] <SpamapS> User1002: it does a lot of what you're describing already.
[20:36] <philipballew> QUESTION: I believe I am connected to a proxy server, but I have no idea how it happened and what to do?
[20:41] <jmarsden|work> philipballew: When requesting help, it is more useful to describe the symptoms (what happens), not your understanding of the cause of them (if you understood them correctly, you would not be asking for support) :)
[21:11] <guntbert> jmarsden|work: your last statement is so good - would you like to suggest it as a factoid ?  - only I can't think of a sensible keyword
[21:12] <jmarsden|work> guntbert: I think there is one somewhat like it, maybe in the debian bot rather than the ubuntu one... but it has a very strange keyword... I'll see if I can find it :)
[21:13] <guntbert> jmarsden|work: ubottu has !details, but that is not nearly as good
[21:15] <pythonirc101> How can i make my ubuntu-server box not start in text mode and automatically login into my account? (default login+startx)
[21:19] <guntbert> pythonirc101: why do you use "server"?
[21:32] <jmarsden|work> ubottu: describe the symptoms is <REPLY> When requesting help, it is more useful to describe the symptoms (what happens), not your understanding of the cause of them (if you understood them correctly, you would not be asking for support).
[21:33] <philipballew> I am wanting to set up a vpn at my home network here via my server i have connected. Anyone seen a good guide?
[21:36] <Daviey> ahs3: hey, have you had a chance to review that package yet? :)
[21:47] <jmarsden|work> ubottu: describe_the_symptoms is <REPLY> When requesting help, it is more useful to describe the symptoms (what happens), not your understanding of the cause of them (if you understood them correctly, you would not be asking for support).
[21:56] <jmarsden|work> !describethesymptoms is <REPLY> When requesting help, it is more useful to describe the symptoms (what happens), not your understanding of the cause of them (if you understood them correctly, you would not be asking for support).
[22:36] <pythonirc101> How do i get my ubuntu-server box to do autologin?
[22:52] <pythonirc101> I followed the instructions on this page: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2010/01/01/enable-automatic-login-in-ubuntu-9-10-server/ -- but for some reason on my 11.04, startx doesnt work, any ideas whats wrong?
[23:10] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747648/
[23:11] <tarvid> is this card incompatible with 11.10?
[23:17] <Mum29> For setting up the home server, i got a problem. My husband says. Go with debian, And i say ubuntu, has more recent packages. Can anyone shed a light this issue ? what to pick..
[23:18] <soren> pythonirc101: "startx"? You're in the wrong channel.
[23:18] <soren> Mum29: It depends, but I think you're unlikely to have anyone in this channel recommend Debian over Ubuntu. It's an Ubuntu channel after all.
[23:19] <fwfw> hi everyone. I may have a bit of a trivial question... I have set up amavis-new/spamassassin/clamav/postfix/dovecot, but I do not want to discard/quarantine messages but filter them into a trashmail IMAP-box for the user to decide what to do
[23:19] <soren> Mum29: If I were your husband, I'd reject your research into the subject based on that very fact :)
[23:19] <Mum29> Soren or is it Søren. > Thanks, i know were i am but still wanna hear your opinions
[23:20] <Mum29> Lol bacause im a women and only a man can setup a server. Come on
[23:20] <soren> Mum29: No, no, that's not what I mean at all.
[23:20] <Mum29> specify, english is not my main language
[23:21] <SpamapS> Mum29: Ubuntu also has good AppArmor integration, and predictible upgrade/release cycles.
[23:21] <soren> Mum29: I'm just saying that you're having an argument with your husband about whether to choose this or the other and gathering opinions from people who obviously will be biased isn't exactly objective research into the subject matter.
[23:22] <soren> Mum29: If I saw your husband asking similar questions in a DEbian channel, I'd tell him the same thing.
[23:22] <Mum29> Ah i see. No but im here to hear pros and cons. u might have some other ones than those in the debian channel has
[23:22] <Mum29> SpamapS > Iwe seen text saying "Dont upgrade, install fresh" in relation with ubuntu releases. So upgrading is not smooth sayling always
[23:22] <soren> WEll, IMO the most important difference is the predictable release cycle. Most other differences stem from this.
[23:23] <soren> Mum29: I always upgrade.
[23:23] <Azrael> Mum29: http://geekyschmidt.com/2011/03/11/debian-server-vs-ubuntu-server
[23:23] <Mum29> Being totally dependent on debian sucks though
[23:23] <soren> Mum29: I've never done a fresh install to avoid an upgrade.
[23:23] <SpamapS> Mum29: we do actually take great care to get upgrades right.
[23:23] <Mum29> Thanks for the link
[23:24] <SpamapS> Fact that there are bugs is just a fact of life unfortunately... and one reason LTS -> LTS upgrades aren't enabled until the first point release after
[23:24] <soren> We have more frequent releases, which means usually a fresher selection of packages.
[23:24] <Mum29> I guess on a server the upgrade is not a problem, iwe done a few updates on desktops with ubuntu that went wrong.
[23:25] <soren> Debian has a much longer stabilisation period (for better or worse).
[23:25] <Mum29> soren > yeah in some cases. php-apc has been 3.1.7 for well since 10.10, 12.04 will have the same old package for the next few years.
[23:25] <SpamapS> Mum29: do you usually upgrade on release day? Its generally safer to wait a week or so.. seems like there are always weird upgrade bugs that get ironed out the first few days
[23:25] <Azrael> Mum29: so far i'm a fan of ubuntu server over debian.  i have noticed that since ubuntu tracks closer to bleeding edge, you're more likely to run into quirks/bugs in software than with debian... since debian is generally a long time behind latest releases, but quite stable.  still though, i recommend ubuntu server over debian.  you'll have newer packages available to you.  newer software, newer features, etc.
[23:25] <soren> Mum29: Gosh, I haven't heard anyone mention php-apc for... half a decade, at least.
[23:25] <Mum29> SpamapS > i usually do a fresh install, have just tried it a few times
[23:26] <soren> Mum29: 10.10 had php-apc 3.1.3p1-2.
[23:26] <soren> fwiw
[23:26] <Mum29> okay. But its been 3.1.7 for a looong time
[23:26] <soren> 11.10 has 3.1.7-1.
[23:26] <Mum29> due to debian testing. Nothing ubuntu can do.
[23:26] <SpamapS> [2011-02-28] Accepted 3.1.7-1 in unstable (low) (Pietro Monteiro)
[23:26] <soren> First Ubuntu release that had 3.1.7 was 11.10, which has been out for a bit over a month.
[23:27] <SpamapS> 10 months isn't that long. ;)
[23:27] <Mum29> MMM i was sure it was longer than tat
[23:27] <Mum29> that
[23:27] <soren> Mum29: We actually often carry newer versions of stuff than what you find in Debian. We don't have to wait for Debian to package stuff before we can get it.
[23:27] <soren> We prefer to wait, though. Share the burden and all that.
[23:28] <Azrael> soren: though i'm still waiting for mysql 5.5 ;-)
[23:28] <Mum29> 3.1.9 is faster, lets hope debian-testing team gets too it soon
[23:28] <Mum29> Azrael > Thats the other thing .debian with dotdeb will get u latest mysql
[23:29] <Mum29> My tests shows its about 5-7% faster on my setup than the old line. So lets hope debian picks that up too, but its extremely unlikely
[23:29] <soren> Azrael:  mysql-5.5 | 5.5.17-4ubuntu4 |       precise | source
[23:29] <Azrael> does dotdeb work for ubuntu?
[23:29] <Mum29> Really so precise will have it
[23:29] <Mum29> Azrael > no
[23:29] <soren> Precise has it, yes.
[23:29] <Mum29> Cool
[23:29] <Azrael> what is precise
[23:29] <soren> NExt Ubuntu release.
[23:29] <Mum29> Its the next release
[23:29] <soren> Due out in April.
[23:30] <Azrael> i'm new to *.deb distro's.
[23:30] <Mum29> Dohhh
[23:30] <Mum29> Ahh
[23:30] <Azrael> long time large scale systems engineer... just never used *.deb distro's till now.
[23:30] <Azrael> so far i'm a fan
[23:30] <soren> Azrael: Enjoy your stay :)
[23:30] <Azrael> heh
[23:30] <Mum29> Actually i also have 3 option on hand. Arch. Seems to be alot more complicated, but they use less altered packages than debian and ubuntu and has faster updates. No idea how it works yet thought
[23:31] <SpamapS> Azrael: you won't have to wait too long for 5.5 .. I'm working on the transition right now actually. :)
[23:31] <Mum29> though
[23:31] <Azrael> sweet
[23:31] <Mum29> SpamapS > very cool,
[23:31] <SpamapS> with the cmake build and libmysqlclient_r being deprecated and multi-arch in Ubuntu.. it has been a *bear* .. but .. nearly wrastled.
[23:31] <elz89> Mum29: Arch is for those who wish to customise every part of their system.. etc..
[23:31] <Mum29> Lets hope the apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server will work on 12.04 as well and not mysql-server5.5 or something like that,
[23:32] <soren> I've never really understood the whole "less altered" thing being a goal in itself.
[23:32] <Mum29> Ohh another thing that iwe found a problem with ubuntu. If i load it in a virtualbox and close the virtualbox and select "Send request for shutdown"
[23:33] <Mum29> That does not work on ubuntu. But works perfect on debian. Small details, but i noticed
[23:33] <soren> Mum29: Install the acpid package.
[23:33] <Azrael> so the next release of ubuntu is scheduled for april 2012 yeah?
[23:33] <soren> That's all.
[23:33] <SpamapS> Mum29: mysql-client and mysql-server are virtual packages, provided now by mysql-client-5.5 and mysql-server-5.5
[23:33] <soren> Azrael: Yes.
[23:33] <soren> SpamapS: mysql-server | 5.1.58-1ubuntu3 |       precise | all
[23:33] <Azrael> do we know the name of the distro release?  or will it be called Precise?  or is precise a codename for next?
[23:33] <SpamapS> soren: give it a day man.. it landed 6 hours ago ;)
[23:33] <soren> Azrael: Precise Pangolin.
[23:33] <Mum29> soren > ahh okay, is it not a small package that would make sense to have in there by default
[23:34] <Azrael> soren: thanks
[23:34] <soren> SpamapS: Patience is not my thing :)
[23:34] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747673/
[23:34] <Mum29> But kuddos for having a dedicated server channel here with friendly chatters, definently added to the list. No matter what my husband likes
[23:34] <soren> Azrael: Due out April 26th.
[23:34] <tarvid> eth0 does not come on boot
[23:35] <Azrael> so... far... away...
[23:35] <SpamapS> soren: we'll be dropping the 5.1 packages just as soon as 5.5 actually builds on all 4 supported arches. :)
[23:35] <tarvid>  /etc/init.d/networking restart does not bring it up either
[23:36] <tarvid> ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 up does
[23:36] <Azrael> will precise continue with upstart or use systemd?
[23:36] <SpamapS> Mum29: don't get us wrong.. we're Debian fans too. We just are *bigger* Ubuntu fans. :)
[23:36] <SpamapS> Azrael: upstart
[23:36] <SpamapS> Azrael: we'll evaluate systemd for 12.10
[23:36] <Azrael> cool
[23:36] <Azrael> i'm a fan of both
[23:36] <Azrael> so either way, cool
[23:36] <Mum29> SpamapS > Im the same way. the debian crew are just lazy in my book.
[23:37] <Mum29> I dont like that
[23:37] <SpamapS> I find systemd's monolithic design disturbing
[23:37] <SpamapS> But it has more eyeballs than upstart these days.
[23:37] <SpamapS> Mum29: I would never call Debian lazy.
[23:37] <Azrael> the author's put out a lotta neat things
[23:37] <Azrael> like pulse audio
[23:37] <soren> tarvid: What does "ifquery eth0" say?
[23:37] <Azrael> i think he's working on a new syslog style for linux now
[23:37] <Azrael> binary based
[23:37] <SpamapS> Azrael: yeah, Lennart is a very productive engineer
[23:37] <Azrael> so \n != end of record heh
[23:38] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747679/
[23:38] <Mum29> SpamapS > im less likely to be beaten over such a statement so let me do those. But seriosly. php 5.3.3 it will remain that version for 2 years in squeeze, what do the developers do in that time. Nothing = lazy
[23:38] <soren> tarvid: So it believes it's already up.
[23:38] <SpamapS> Azrael: syslog-ng did that oh... 15 years ago? But I think lennart is working more on a simpler more modern logging system.
[23:38] <Azrael> yeah
[23:39] <SpamapS> Mum29: Ondrej Sury, the main driver of PHP in Debian, is pretty darn productive
[23:39] <tarvid> only after a manual ifconfig eth0
[23:39] <SpamapS> Mum29: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html
[23:39] <soren> tarvid: Which is by "ifup eth0" doesn't bring it up (since ifup on an interface that's already up is a no-op).
[23:39] <soren> tarvid: No.
[23:39] <pythonirc101> Anyone has done an autologin in 11.04 here? I can autologin, but my home directory seems to be encrypted at autologin.
[23:39] <tarvid> it does not come up on boot
[23:39] <soren> tarvid: ifquery doesn't look at the interfaces state.
[23:39] <hallyn> SpamapS, i keep wondering - doesn't schneier have a patent on the chained hash system he wants to use for logging?  there was a paper in 97 or so
[23:39] <soren> tarvid: It looks at what it thinks to be true.
[23:39] <SpamapS> Mum29: seriously.. he's a big part of why php sucks only as much as it has to in Debian and Ubuntu. :)
[23:39] <hallyn> but, if that's all you wanted, you can easily do it with syslog-ng to a remote host
[23:39] <SpamapS> hallyn: I only read a snippet.. haven't looked at it in depth.
[23:39] <tarvid> but I need it to come up on boot
[23:40] <hallyn> SpamapS, i just remember reading the paper, implementing it, and thinking "i can't put this out bc i'll get sued"
[23:40] <soren> tarvid: For some reason, it thinks it already brought it up. Do you have an "interesting" filesystem layout?
[23:40] <hallyn> neat idea at the time
[23:40] <Azrael> SpamapS: i've been reading a bit about orchestra and juju these days.  those are some powerful tools which could really, really, *really* capture *.rpm sysadmin's attention.  its too bad juju doesn't yet have a provider for Virtualbox or KVM built in, so i could play around with it on my laptop.  there is an XCP provider under way methinks.
[23:40] <soren> tarvid: pastebin /etc/fstab, perhaps?
[23:41] <Mum29> SpamapS > im sure he does alot of stuff and saves the day. But still 2 yeras without a version update. Just comes over lazy in my eyes. Debian will be stoneage in 1.99 years a few month before debian 7 comes out. Way way slower than the latest ubuntu version at the time.
[23:41] <tarvid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/747681/
[23:41] <Mum29> I guess i just answered my own question from before
[23:41] <soren> tarvid: That's remarkably boring.
[23:42] <tarvid> not quite
[23:42] <Mum29> Like my husband
[23:42] <tarvid> fsck always fails
[23:42] <SpamapS> Mum29: you're misinformed. For those two years, Ondrej is testing and fixing bugs and pushing new versions into unstable for people to test.
[23:42] <soren> tarvid: Oh.
[23:42] <SpamapS> Mum29: the every two years bit is just when they stabilize and stop changing things.
[23:42] <soren> tarvid: I know what's wrong.
[23:42] <soren> tarvid: Your network config is invalid.
[23:42] <Mum29> SpamapS > i know but that doesnt make the version in squeeze up to date in anyway. version wise.
[23:43] <soren> tarvid: Your broadcast address isn't in your network.
[23:43] <SpamapS> Mum29: its not lazy. Its the only way the project can scale in any way.
[23:43] <SpamapS> Mum29: and if he hadn't been uploading those versions, Ubuntu would not have had them. ;)
[23:43] <SpamapS>       php5 | 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.10 | lucid-updates | source, all
[23:43] <Mum29> Seems like a good concept for someone that just installs a server and leave it for 2 years. for us that likes to gets our hand dirty it doesnt seem like the right choice
[23:43] <SpamapS>       php5 | 5.3.3-1ubuntu9.6 | maverick-updates | source, all
[23:43] <SpamapS>       php5 | 5.3.5-1ubuntu7.3 | natty-updates | source, all
[23:43] <soren> tarvid: bc
[23:43] <soren> whoops
[23:43] <SpamapS> Mum29: goes up and up.. because of Debian.. ;)
[23:43] <Mum29> I know
[23:44] <Mum29> Im gratefull, not just the perfect server distro for me
[23:44] <SpamapS> Mum29: for the get your hands dirty crowd, there are backports and PPA's :)
[23:44] <Mum29> Thought PPA only was for ubuntu..
[23:44] <SpamapS> Mum29: most serious server admins prefer to install the LTS, and then introduce new versions of only a few things
[23:44] <tarvid> Looks like it is to me but it should calculate it if I simply delete the broadcast and network line
[23:44] <Mum29> php, php-apc- mysql the stuff that makes my setup fast or slow does not come in backports of ppas as far as i know. so..
[23:44] <soren> tarvid: Yes.
[23:45] <tarvid> I'll try that
[23:45] <soren> tarvid: Your broadcast address would be 192.168.1.247, if my bitmangling is correct.
[23:46] <Mum29> SpamapS > sure that makes sense for a production server you dont wanna mess with and have max uptime. But that same server will load pages slower than my reguarly updates system. Thats my focus for our home server.
[23:47] <soren> tarvid: Sorry, I just realised my use of ifquery was misguided.
[23:47] <Mum29> Thanks for all your input everybody. Great stuff
[23:47] <soren> tarvid: It doesn't query the known state, it just parses /e/n/i and outputs it in a more easily parsable format.
[23:47] <SpamapS> Mum29: not so sure I agree. Every time you update and break something, your speed is 0. ;)
[23:47] <soren> tarvid: ...but the misconfig would certainly explain your symptoms.
[23:48] <soren> tarvid: So we're probably in good shape now that you've fixed that up.
[23:48] <SpamapS> Mum29: that said, I am a big proponent of fresh, new components.. :)
[23:48] <Mum29> If the guys that makes the updates dont make sur they dont break, they should get a job at 711
[23:48] <Mum29> me2
[23:48]  * soren likes his daily crack
[23:48] <SpamapS> Mum29: Yeah, then you may not want to use PHP anymore
[23:48] <SpamapS> How many times have they regressed things in a patch release? ;)
[23:49] <SpamapS> including precise's current 5.3.8 .. which has a broken is_a() function
[23:49] <Mum29> iwe been using php since 5.3.1, now 5.3.8 on debian, ubuntu many servers. Nothing have ever broken due to php,mysql update
[23:49] <Mum29> So i dont expect that to be a problem at al
[23:50] <SpamapS> Mum29: you missed out on the fun of PHP 5.1.2 -> 5.1.4, which broke the date() function *completely*
[23:50] <Mum29> SpamapS > there is most likely way more problems than that, big projects always have that, but its details that should mess things up for the majority of the users
[23:50] <Mum29> SpamapS > sounds like fun i could live without
[23:50] <Mum29> hell 5.1.2 that must have been years ago
[23:51] <SpamapS> yeah
[23:51] <SpamapS> 5.2 had some fun breakage too
[23:51] <SpamapS> I maintained a version of 5.1 on a few backend servers for an extra year because things were so broken going 5.1->5.2 :-/
[23:51] <Mum29> I only run phpBB3 on the server it just runs. even tried php 5.4. np
[23:52]  * SpamapS thanks god that his devs eventually saw the light and started running CI tests
[23:52] <Mum29> lol
[23:53] <tarvid> soren, thanks - my eyes are blurred the mask was wrong
[23:54] <soren> tarvid: np
[23:57] <huats_> I am trying to create a simple xen domU on oneiric but it seems to fail all the time :( when I try to create an oneiric image I got a not a no hook directory to use and if I try to get a natty I got a no /dev/xvda2 device
[23:57] <huats_> any idea ?