[00:52] <snap-l> hot cocoa = a+
[02:18] <rick_h_> snap-l: awesome
[02:54] <brousch> omgwtf. digikam found 23 copies of one photo. 23!
[02:56] <brousch> at the current rate i estimate it will take me 3 months to clean all of this out. awesome
[04:02] <snap-l> woot
[12:51] <rick_h_> morning everyone
[12:59] <Wolfger> morning
[13:05] <Wolfger> Blazeix: Tried :set rnu... "Unknown option". What vi clone are you using?
[13:06] <rick_h_> what about :set relativenumber
[13:06] <rick_h_> he's using the latest vim from arch, so 7.3 something probably
[13:07] <Wolfger> relativenumber also not working. I'm on vim 7.2 on Win XP
[13:08] <rick_h_> might be a 7.3 thing
[13:08] <rick_h_> upgrade!
[13:08] <rick_h_> you're like a year behind
[13:08] <Wolfger> :-p
[13:08] <rick_h_> 2010-08-15
[13:08] <rick_h_> more than a year!
[13:10] <rick_h_> yea, looks like that was a 7.3 thing
[13:10] <Wolfger> urg
[13:10] <Wolfger> McAfee Web Gateway
[13:10] <rick_h_> really?
[13:11] <Wolfger> "Download in progress. Please Wait"
[13:11] <rick_h_> to vim.org?
[13:11] <Wolfger> but nothing's happening
[13:11] <rick_h_> sec
[13:11] <Wolfger> No, I got to vim.org, but it's hosing up my download
[13:11] <brousch> vim is evilware. use eclipse
[13:12] <Wolfger> ok, got it now
[13:12] <rick_h_> ok then, I was uploading it to my s3 bucket
[13:12] <Wolfger> combo of McAfee and NoScript
[13:12] <Wolfger> once I allowed vim.org, mcafee completed the download
[13:13] <brousch> rick_h_: you are among some great python hackers at canonical http://fwierzbicki.blogspot.com/2011/11/contributing-to-jython.html
[13:14] <rick_h_> brousch: why I came here.
[13:14] <rick_h_> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/index.shtml works here
[13:14] <brousch> yeah
[13:15] <rick_h_> http://barry.warsaw.us/software/index.html
[13:15] <brousch> geez
[13:16] <rick_h_> and that's just the top of the head guys
[13:16] <rick_h_> use a LOT of python
[13:17] <brousch> is the juju thing python?
[13:17] <rick_h_> not sure, I've honestly not looked at it closely yet
[13:17] <brousch> now i wonder if canonical or google has more python code
[13:18] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju/juju/trunk/files
[13:18] <rick_h_> python
[13:18] <Wolfger> Hmm. Not sure if I like or hate rnu...
[13:18] <rick_h_> Wolfger: heh
[13:18] <rick_h_> I tried it, doesn't work for me
[13:18] <rick_h_> but I get it if your brain works that way I suppose
[13:19] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:19] <Wolfger> it's easier for, say, "8k", but absolutely sucks for "43G"
[13:19] <Wolfger> morning snap-l
[13:23] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6h5JSojJN3Y funny
[13:25] <brousch> heh'
[13:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Not getting anything for that video
[13:26] <rick_h_> brousch: did it load for you?
[13:26] <brousch> yeah, it was fine
[13:26] <rick_h_> snap-l: must be trying to view it on an iphone
[13:26] <snap-l> Bah, problem with my command
[13:26] <brousch> he's creative
[13:27] <rick_h_> "command"? thought you just clicked the link in your gui world :P
[13:27] <brousch> i do. it's very nice
[13:27] <snap-l> rick_h_: har har
[13:28] <brousch> and gnome shell doesn't throw me over to the web page while it loads, it leaves me in pidgin and pops up a notice when the page is ready
[13:28] <snap-l> I use weechat, because I have one foot in the gui, and one foot in the cCLI
[13:28] <brousch> then i click the notice and it takes me to chrome
[13:28] <snap-l> I'm keepin' it real.
[13:28] <snap-l> brousch: I would punch that in the neck
[13:28] <brousch> more like old school
[13:28] <rick_h_> I use irssi, I can still click on a link
[13:29] <rick_h_> I use a man's terminal, urxvt which detects urls :P
[13:29] <rick_h_> it's a terminal thing, not a cli app thing
[13:29] <snap-l> rick_h_: I use weechat,which adds a nick list on the side, and makes long links impossible to click
[13:29] <rick_h_> why do you need a nicklist?
[13:29] <snap-l>  but I use /url 1 to "click" the link
[13:29] <brousch> the gnome shell notices are less intrusive than unity's. they come up from the bottom and only go about 1/2". also they are clickable
[13:30] <snap-l> because typing 6 characters is a MAN'S terminal way of saving me a mouseclick. ;)
[13:30] <brousch> insane
[13:31] <snap-l> brousch: I know. Mr. CLI is getting in my shit over click ing links
[13:31] <snap-l> ;)
[13:31] <rick_h_> because I find it funny that mister OSX "drool me some GUI" is issuing commands to open a link
[13:32] <snap-l> I'm surprised  ZSH doesn't automatically fetch the link for you and just wait for C-x C-X ^[ // url
[13:34] <snap-l> Oh, wait, C-x would be an emacs shortcut. That's why. ;)
[13:34] <rick_h_> I knew you'd catch it sooner or later
[13:34] <snap-l> Surprised you're not taking it back.
[13:43] <brousch> damnitall. carriers are making me not want to recommend android to people
[13:43] <rick_h_> heh, what did they do now?
[13:43] <brousch> my boss got a new android phone but it started making crazy sounds during calls
[13:44] <brousch> he took it in, they installed task killer because the problem was caused by all the crap verizon installed on the phone
[13:44] <snap-l> Lovely.
[13:45] <brousch> my dad got one and had to return it 2 times because the antenna was bad, and the mic on his exchanged unit was bad
[13:45] <brousch> not carrier there, i suppose
[13:46] <brousch> at least with windows computers full of dell crapware you can uninstall it
[13:48] <brousch> i will whine on twitter. that is sure to get results
[14:01] <Wolfger> lol
[14:02] <Wolfger> my only real issue with my Android phone is that the notification sounds for e-mail, etc will play while I'm on a call. Very annoying.
[14:03] <brousch> hm, i don't notice that
[14:03] <brousch> but i am on a call like 20mins/mo
[14:11] <snap-l> I really think Apple had the right idea in telling the carriers (AT&T) what they could and could not do with their phones
[14:12] <snap-l> Because carriers are like PC manufacturers: Shovel in more shit until something blows up, then scoop out what caused the explosion and ship it
[14:13] <brousch> i didn't realize how bad it had gotten, i've been using cyanogenmod for so long
[14:14] <snap-l> I'd be willing to bet that most of everyone's problems with Windows are directly related to the crap the manufacturers ship on the machine pre-installed
[14:15] <brousch> and viruses
[14:15] <snap-l> Well, that's a post-install modification. :)
[14:16] <mydogsnameisrudy> windows sucks when it gets bogged down with all the crap they dump on your system
[14:17] <brousch> mydogsnameisrudy: yeah, and now they've started doing that on android phone
[14:17] <brousch> but it's worse because you can't actually uninstall the crap
[14:17] <snap-l> my favorite are the utilities that essentially break all human interface guidelines
[14:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> ya i have a android with att thinking of leaving att
[14:17] <snap-l> it's like someone took an Adobe AIR app and made it core.
[14:20] <Wolfger> speaking of destroying Android... http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/tech/mobile/facebook-buffy-phone-report/index.html?hpt=hp_bn6
[14:28] <snap-l> Yeah, right.
[15:54] <brousch> crap, i should have put some names in my question, could have slipped in rick_h_ among foord and warsaw
[15:54] <snap-l> brousch: ?
[15:54] <snap-l> Oh, Ask Mark?
[15:55] <brousch> in the ask sabdfl session
[15:55] <jjesse> is that happening now/
[15:55] <jjesse> ?
[15:55] <brousch> 5 minutes left
[15:55] <jjesse> ah forgot to set a reminder
[15:55] <snap-l> Me too
[15:56] <brousch> don't you follow jcastro on twitter?
[15:56] <brousch> he's sabdfl's minder today
[15:56] <jjesse> whats this twitter you talk about
[15:56] <jjesse> if its not on g+ i don't see it
[15:59] <snap-l> It was on G+ a well
[15:59] <snap-l> as
[16:02] <brousch> jjesse snap-l http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/23/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[16:03] <snap-l> And it hasn't updated.
[16:03] <snap-l> OK, now ithas.
[16:08] <snap-l> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/23/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:27 <- Pendulum's question
[16:08] <snap-l> I don't buy that answer for a second.
[16:09] <brousch> someone hacked the siri protocol and are writing an android app using it
[16:09] <snap-l> vala is ok. Go is the future <- WTF?
[16:10] <brousch> yeah, i don't get that one
[16:11] <snap-l> brousch: I like your question re: Gnome Shell
[16:11] <snap-l> but there will always be people who are upset because they cannot make the launcher bright pink <- Dismissive, but fair. ;)
[16:12] <snap-l> ClassBotgianlucadv asked: in the future, will launchpad support git?15:44
[16:12] <snap-l> sabdflthe future is a very big place
[16:12] <snap-l> *cough*
[16:44]  * rick_h_ links to lunch...first real code review...ugh. I've been thrashed
[16:45] <rick_h_> /links/limps
[16:45] <rick_h_> damn, can't type any more either
[16:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://mitechie.com/go/to/lunch
[16:47] <snap-l> (api call)
[16:48] <rick_h_> let it be known...I write crappy code
[16:48] <rick_h_> :)
[16:49] <brousch> well crap, what does that make mine?
[16:50] <ColonelPanic001> what brousch said.
[16:51] <snap-l> My code smells like Grandma.
[16:52] <rick_h_> I should use it like a "find the things that are different game"
[16:52] <brousch> my code smells like great grandma, and she's been dead for more than a decade
[16:52] <rick_h_> go through the file of code and see how many things I got ding'd on you can find
[16:52] <snap-l> Like th "How Not to Write C++" book?
[16:52] <snap-l> I smell a blog series.
[16:53] <rick_h_> hah
[16:53] <snap-l> And after the initial "huh", it's not that bad of an idea.
[16:58]  * snap-l really needs to come up with a way to quickly spin-up VMs.
[16:59] <rick_h_> http://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/mmu1c/the_vim_learning_curve_is_a_myth/
[16:59] <rick_h_> flame headlines ftw
[17:01] <snap-l> Ruh roh
[17:02] <snap-l> Cyber Monday Apress: Every eBook $15
[17:02] <rick_h_> bah, what good are books, you still get thrashed at code reviews :P
[17:03] <snap-l> rick_h_: Failure just means you found something that doesn't work
[17:03] <snap-l> that's all
[17:03] <snap-l> Get back up on the horse, pilgrim
[17:04] <snap-l> http://208.53.158.48:9564/listen.pls <-
[17:04] <snap-l> Current song playing is making me want to gag
[17:04] <snap-l> Brighteye Brison - The Magician's Cave, from the 2011 album The Magician Chronicles Part One
[17:04] <snap-l> Lyrics are hoooooooooorible
[17:13] <greg-g> snap-l: what is the station
[17:13]  * greg-g doesn't trust ip-only urls :)
[17:33] <snap-l> Delicious Agony Prog-rock radio
[17:33] <snap-l> I wouldn't steer you wrong
[17:41] <snap-l> And now they're playing on eof my favorite bands, Spock's Beard
[17:42] <greg-g> oh right, I forgot about that station
[17:43]  * greg-g grumbles at Banshee's lack of export/import of radio/podcasts
[17:43] <snap-l> Yeah, that is a major bummer
[17:47] <greg-g> dude, google.co.uk is awesome today
[17:53] <jjesse> that is preety sweet
[17:55] <snap-l> That was pretty cool
[18:22] <greg-g> "If you're hiring, the best technical interview possible is the one you don't have to do because the candidate is already kicking ass on one of your open source projects." - http://tom.preston-werner.com/2011/11/22/open-source-everything.html
[18:29] <snap-l> That is so true
[18:36] <Wolfger> bwahahahahah http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/121347/are-there-studies-about-the-disadvantages-of-using-issue-tracking-systems
[18:37] <snap-l> p.se is where the 9-5 developers go to whine about work
[18:38] <greg-g> :)
[18:39] <snap-l> When the answer to each of these can be summarized as "please shut up and quietly get back to work", you know you have a problem.
[18:40] <snap-l> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/107233/young-c-student-lacking-direction
[18:40] <snap-l> ^^
[19:00] <Blazeix> snap-l++
[19:01] <jcastro> god
[19:01] <Blazeix> whenever I read a programmers.stackexchange post I have little mini-aneurysms
[19:01] <jcastro> everything about programmers.se makes me want to punch someone
[19:01] <jcastro> it's sole purpose is to keep that crap off of SO
[19:01] <snap-l> jcastro: Or like up everyone for a throat-fucking?
[19:01] <jcastro> "why is version control good?"
[19:02] <snap-l> "Am I coding too much, or thinking too much about coding?"
[19:02] <snap-l> "Why does it hurt when I pee?"
[19:04] <Wolfger> "What music should I listen to while I code?"
[19:05] <ColonelPanic001> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/120613/what-version-control-system-can-manage-all-aspects
[19:05] <brousch> Wolfger: whatever snap-l tells you to
[19:06] <rick_h_> "what kind of puppy is the best to punch when you're really reaching the end of the line?"
[19:06] <Wolfger> "How do I make my boss/workers see that he/they are being stupid and I'm right?"
[19:06] <rick_h_> you guys see the "Apache considered harmful...they force using svn" stuff today?
[19:06] <rick_h_> talk about punch puppy worthy crap
[19:06] <Wolfger> lol
[19:06] <Wolfger> no animal cruelty, please
[19:07] <rick_h_> sorry, either puppy or baby and I can't swing to the baby side yet
[19:07] <brousch> are puppies or babies better to punch if i'm having problems with vim?
[19:07] <snap-l> rick_h_: Dogfooding. ;)
[19:07] <brousch> muahahah
[19:07] <Wolfger> punch the homeless. Nobody cares about them, and they're more durable.
[19:08] <Wolfger> They probably wouldn't even complain if you gave them money after.
[19:08]  * Wolfger is going to hell...
[19:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: We are all several missed paychecks from being homeless
[19:12] <snap-l> I swear, every downloader in existence shold just be a front-end to wget
[19:17] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCvX2N-RoEg ok, this stops me from wanting to punch puppies
[19:18] <snap-l> What the hell
[19:19] <snap-l> (Trying to download netbeans, and seeing it freeze at exactly 72%, each time)
[19:19] <brousch> netbeans? really?
[19:19] <brousch> i thought it was dead
[19:19] <snap-l> Trying something for a customer.
[19:20] <brousch> thaumaturgy?
[19:22] <snap-l> I think you mean necromancer
[19:22] <snap-l> thaumaturgy is miracle working. :)
[19:23] <brousch> isn't bringing something back from the dead a miracle?
[19:24] <brousch> God, the ultimate necromancer?
[19:24] <snap-l> necromancy is generally regarded as the art of bringing back the dead for nefarious purposes
[19:25] <snap-l> Necromancy is a claimed form of magic that involves communication with the deceased, either by summoning their spirit in the form of an apparition or raising them bodily, for the purpose of divination, imparting the ability to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge. The term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.[1][2]
[19:25] <snap-l> I think there's a fine line between resurrection of the dead vs. necromancy
[19:26] <Wolfger> I think there's no line
[19:26] <snap-l> http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/abydos/
[19:27] <snap-l> "Abydos: The merest whisper of the name sends shivers down the spines of the God-fearing people of Yrth. What lurks in the forbidden city of Abydos is so great a heresy, the Church suppresses all mention of its very existence. But such loathing has no meaning for the shambling, silent bodies who roam the streets of Abydos. The undead are the greatest resource of the necromantic priests who practice
[19:27] <snap-l> their dark heresies in that city. Their beliefs and mandates are backed by the blades of highly trained soldiers and a very silent majority."
[19:27] <snap-l> "Warning! GURPS Banestorm: Abydos describes a culture wherein the living interact with the dead in ways that most readers would deem "intimate" and/or "disrespectful," and thus inappropriate. These elements may offend some readers. Please consider your gaming group's sensibilities before introducing this material into your campaign!"
[19:27]  * Wolfger waits for somebody to point out the usage of defibrillators to bring people back to life...
[19:28] <_stink_> or medical cooling
[19:28] <snap-l> Wolfger: That's regarded as life-saving, not bringing someone back from death
[19:28] <greg-g> define death
[19:29] <Wolfger> snap-l: from no heartbeat to yes heartbeat... sounds pretty clear-cut to me. :-)
[19:29] <snap-l> I can't use a defibrillator to bring back Steve Jobs.
[19:29] <greg-g> for some definitions of death I was once dead
[19:29]  * greg-g drowned as a kid to the point of not breathing/no heart beat.
[19:29] <Wolfger> ok, ok, so defibrillators can only bring back the mostly-dead.
[19:29] <_stink_> that's what i took away from a story on medical cooling... that we don't really have a good definition of death
[19:29] <snap-l> Were you declared dead to the point where they gave up all hope of resuscitation?
[19:29] <_stink_> greg-g is a zombie?
[19:30] <greg-g> mom/dad did cpr for a while, brought me back, then I have pneumonia and was in the hosptial for the next month-ish
[19:30] <_stink_> dang
[19:30] <greg-g> s/have/had/
[19:30] <brousch> is that why you don't like to swim now?
[19:30] <greg-g> snap-l: no, but its more fun to say that I was dead at one point ;)
[19:30] <Wolfger> greg-g is a zombie? I knew it!
[19:30] <greg-g> brousch: I *love* swimming
[19:31] <snap-l> greg-g: Definitely shocks the conversation
[19:31] <greg-g> brb
[19:32] <snap-l> Anyways, it's interesting that we went from a throw-away comment about netbeans to necromancy to defining death.
[19:32] <snap-l> Only on the internet.
[19:32] <Wolfger> always fun in #ubuntu-us-mi
[19:32] <Wolfger> snap-l: not true. I've had such conversations in meatspace
[19:33] <snap-l> You've talked about Netbeans in meatspace? :)
[19:33] <_stink_> gahaha
[19:33] <Wolfger> so much so that my group of friends coined the phrase "once again, as always, we digress"
[19:33] <Wolfger> snap-l: don't be silly. Nobody talks about netbeans
[19:55] <rick_h_> ok, code updated and resubmitted for another beating.
[19:55] <rick_h_> talk of moving CHC to a bar coming quickly lol
[19:56] <snap-l> heh
[19:57] <brousch> this is supposedly the biggest bar night of the year. i never understood that
[19:58] <rick_h_> people travel by day, hit the bar in their new local by night
[20:00] <greg-g> and they want to spend the least amount of time with family so they go see old friends at the bar the night before instead
[20:00] <greg-g> plus, people can sleep in tomorrow before the football game ;)
[20:00] <rick_h_> exactly!
[20:00] <rick_h_> in-laws!!!!!
[20:02] <greg-g> alright, back to the home office for lunch and post lunch work :)
[20:03] <snap-l> "from the home office in greg-g's living room"
[20:12] <rick_h_> ok, I give up...wonder if the machine shops are looking for someone to push the green button
[20:13] <snap-l> rick_h_: Relax
[20:13] <snap-l> new job, new coding conventions
[20:14] <_stink_> you expect to be productive 10 days in??
[20:14] <_stink_> man
[20:14] <_stink_> be realistic
[20:14] <snap-l> take it from someone who beat his head against everything at SF
[20:14] <snap-l> I thought for sure they were going to say "sorry, we made a mistake"
[20:16] <snap-l> It's natural
[20:16] <snap-l> now get back up on that horse.
[20:17] <rick_h_> yea, except I know my PEP and don't tell me I'm wrong when it comes to PEP8 or PEP 257...cause I'll link that crap back at you :P
[20:18]  * brousch looks up pep257
[20:18]  * snap-l looks up pep 357
[20:18] <rick_h_> 257, docstrings
[20:19] <brousch> ug
[20:21] <rick_h_> lol, "you're doing it wrong!" :P
[20:23] <brousch> i absolutely am
[20:24] <snap-l> Someone needs a hug
[20:24] <brousch> i nominate snap-l
[20:25] <brousch> as our leader, you are also our designated hugger
[20:25]  * snap-l resigns
[20:26] <brousch> really? you'd resign before hugging rick_h_?
[20:26] <snap-l> No, I'd resign if I have to hug all of you cheeky bastards.
[20:26] <rick_h_> I'd resign before hugging me
[20:27] <brousch> awwww
[20:29] <brousch> does yui do the same sort of stuff as jquery?
[20:31] <snap-l> Well, that sucks. Managed to goof up X
[20:31] <rick_h_> brousch: ?? how do you mean?
[20:31] <brousch> i mean would i use jquery and yui, or do they do the same things?
[20:31] <rick_h_> brousch: in a lot of ways I suppose: http://www.jsrosettastone.com/
[20:31] <rick_h_> but has more
[20:31] <rick_h_> yea, you'd pick one
[20:32] <brousch> wow, could those fonts be any wispier?
[20:32] <snap-l> K, time to reboot the machine.
[20:33] <snap-l> See you on the other side.
[20:36] <brousch> holy cow. i fell asleep in my chair and almost fell over
[20:45] <greg-g> nice