[00:11] <androidbruce> Salt, ha yeah 
[00:11] <androidbruce> pfsense is good times 
[00:12] <Salt> been working at getting it up for a while now, having many difficulties
[00:19] <androidbruce> Salt, really? for your home or business? 
[00:19] <androidbruce> are you coming from a different firewall?
[00:31] <Salt> both
[00:32] <androidbruce> ah 
[00:32] <androidbruce> what issues are you running into?
[00:33] <Salt> it's an odd setup, i've got a line coming into a modem/router, from there i have it going into my tower that contains a number of vm's
[00:34] <androidbruce> pfsense one of the vm's?
[00:34] <androidbruce> so you're dealing with virtual interfaces the entire time?
[00:34] <Salt> sec sec
[00:34] <Salt> :p
[00:35] <Salt> the first vm is pfsense and all traffic is routed to there, from there, there are a number of other virtual devices that need internet, there's the host box which needs net that's been filtered through pf, and a switch for other physical devices
[00:45] <seattlegaucho> who has any AWS experience around here?
[00:59] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, i gotta run, but i love AWS
[00:59] <seattlegaucho> :/
[00:59] <Salt> androidbruce, before you go respond to me in ##pfsense :P
[01:00] <seattlegaucho> I was fishing for howto before I google it and wade through the spam
[01:22]  * seattlegaucho .oO( time to go home ... I'll hit androidbruce again tomorrow )
[02:01] <androidbruce> seattlegaucho, im here 
[02:01] <androidbruce> Salt, i've never tried using the IP command in pfsense shell 
[03:00] <Salt> androidbruce, it isn't there
[03:06] <androidbruce> Salt, why do you need it again?
[03:06] <Salt> oh, just for debugging
[08:49] <bkerensa> valorie: What is the state of Ubuntu WA LoCo? 
[08:49] <Salt> fairly inactive
[08:49] <bkerensa> Yeah
[08:50] <Salt> however there's interest and it's waxed and waned over the last year
[08:50] <Salt> before that it was silent for a year or so
[08:50] <bkerensa> But I noticed there had been some discussion on mailing list about developing some steam?
[08:50] <Salt> before that it was quite active
[08:50] <bkerensa> Hmm
[08:50] <Salt> i don't think i'm on the mailing list anymore
[08:50] <bkerensa> Is there a Team Lead or Contact for Ubuntu WA?
[08:50] <Salt> that's a large part of the problem
[08:51] <Salt> though it may have been fixed, you'd have to talk to valorie 
[08:51] <bkerensa> kk
[08:51] <Salt> what area are you in?
[08:51] <valorie> hmmm, I don't know that it has been fixed entirely, but Linda is listed at least - along with Chuck
[08:51] <bkerensa> Just wondering if it was resource based or just lack of activity. If you guys need hosting or something Ubuntu Oregon could likely help out
[08:52] <valorie> oddly enough, there is supposed to be just one
[08:52] <valorie> so......
[08:52] <valorie> hosting?
[08:52] <bkerensa> Salt: I'm in Portland we actually have people come down from Southern WA :)
[08:52] <valorie> Canonical offers hosting
[08:52] <Salt> yeah, i used to be one of the leads for ubuntu pnw
[08:52] <Salt> but we were told by canonical to split due to loco's being per-state
[08:53] <bkerensa> valorie: Actually I think leads and how that is structured is up to the LoCo and what works best for them... I know some LoCo's have a entire team of leaders and then just one contact
[08:53] <bkerensa> =o
[08:53] <valorie> I think that turned out to be a mistake, salt
[08:53] <Salt> valorie, who doesn't?
[08:53] <valorie> although I think they like everything to be the same
[08:53] <bkerensa> Salt: Yeah I have heard the history from dshufelt and others
[08:53] <Salt> we all told them it was a mistake at the time
[08:53] <Salt> oh yeah? still talk with dan?
[08:53] <valorie> sorta stopped energy
[08:54] <Salt> he out of the af yet/
[08:55] <bkerensa> valorie: Not to sound negative towards LoCo Council but I have had them tell me one thing and then months later they changed position.... Like when I asked about what to do about PNW's assets... Paultag said it would be best to have it become a regional resource or kept for archival purposes
[08:55] <valorie> the list still works, at least
[08:55] <bkerensa> but when I checked with czajkowski.... I got a odd and different response so I kind of just left it alone
[08:56] <valorie> I have a feeling that that was Paul's opinion
[08:56] <valorie> and I believe he's now out of the CC
[08:56]  * valorie met him at the GSoC Mentor's Summit
[08:56] <bkerensa> valorie: Yeah likely... but he said to follow up in two weeks and if I didnt get a response from dshufelt who was the owner of assets he would begin the process of re-delegating them.... I just know that PNW stuff confuses people still today
[08:57] <valorie> I'm still confused.....
[08:57] <bkerensa> valorie: I think he is still on Loco Council though
[08:57] <bkerensa> valorie: Yeah :D
[08:57] <valorie> they just had an election
[08:57] <bkerensa> valorie: I met Linda at OSCON right?
[08:57] <valorie> saw it in the last Weekly
[08:57] <valorie> yes, she was at OSCON this summer
[08:58] <Salt> i'm considering hitting scale this year
[08:58] <bkerensa> valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil <-- he is still listed but then again Ubuntu Wiki's are notoriously outdated :P
[08:58] <valorie> cool!
[08:58] <valorie> unfortunately, with the shape my dad's in, I don't think I'll make it down
[08:58] <valorie> I was hoping to get a talk together
[08:58] <bkerensa> I wish I could do scale but without any sponsorship that would be unlikely..... But I think next year will have plenty of events for me
[08:58] <bkerensa> :D
[08:59] <valorie> talks are the key
[08:59] <Salt> i have free room, i think i have free entry, and i found $60 one way tickets
[08:59] <valorie> NICE
[09:00] <Salt> bah, i really need to get something together for gslug next month, this month i ended up cancelling
[09:00] <Salt> first one in 4 year
[09:00] <bkerensa> valorie: Does Linda use IRC? I just hope to see you guys on the way to approval someday :D I think that is a key ingredient to keeping a LoCo from going dormant
[09:00] <valorie> I thought I was busy before, but since my dad broke his hip this time, I've had massively less for anything else.....
[09:01] <valorie> bkerensa: very rarely now
[09:01] <valorie> between her job and her daughter, she is one busy lady
[09:01] <bkerensa> valorie: Have you considered possibly stepping up? :) I know its a busy task and your already likely more busy then me :D
[09:01] <valorie> that's the problem -- we have some great people, but all of them very time-challenged
[09:01] <bkerensa> ahh :D
[09:02] <valorie> I've considered it, yes -- but it is impossible right now
[09:02] <valorie> sec
[09:02] <bkerensa> valorie: Someone applied for Membership from WA at the same day as me and got approved but they asked if he participated in the LoCo and I think his answer was no? I was kind of wondering what that was about
[09:03] <bkerensa> k
[09:20] <valorie> back
[09:21] <valorie> I noticed that -- sorry I couldn't be there, by the way -- he's been in the channel before, but if I recall correctly, he lives in Wenatchee
[09:22] <Salt> running a group is easy, but it requires putting a constant amount of effort in and that's very hard to maintain
[09:22] <valorie> right, I've held a number of leadership positions in the past, and i know I don't have the time to do a good job
[09:24] <valorie> actually, when I got involved, I didn't know any of the history, and didn't know that Linda had just started things up again
[09:24] <bkerensa> valorie: Yeah requires lots of hours.... The survey Jono did suggested some people actually contribute the equal of a part-time job in hours to their roles in Ubuntu
[09:24] <valorie> for sure
[09:25] <bkerensa> Just because I'm Ubuntu Oregon Team Lead I get requested into other roles etc
[09:25] <valorie> right now, my KDE job(s) are sucking up time -- and that's after dealing with my dad situation
[09:25] <bkerensa> Like organizing the Debian/Ubuntu Jam that is going to occur in December
[09:25] <valorie> right, finding people to take on responsibility is ..... fun
[09:26] <valorie> :-)
[09:26] <bkerensa> valorie: It is nearly impossible
[09:26] <bkerensa> I keep trying to delegate stuff out and people volunteer but dont follow through very well =/
[09:27] <bkerensa> I was really disappointed that one person at the global jam was actually complaining about "the lack of swag"
[09:27] <valorie> ours is the other way around -- we have lots of people who used to do a lot of stuff, and now are busy with other things
[09:27] <valorie> oh geez
[09:27] <bkerensa> I was like uhh.... We had nearly a grand in sponsored catering and swag 
[09:27] <valorie> that's amazing!
[09:28] <bkerensa> catering/venue/swag
[09:28] <valorie> we've never had swag beyond what linda and I have bought, since I was involved
[09:28] <Salt> before that we had what dan got us
[09:28] <valorie> lining up that stuff takes time and chutzpa
[09:28] <valorie> I missed those halcyon days.....
[09:28] <Salt> which reminds me, you heard from dan bkerensa ?
[09:29] <bkerensa> valorie: Well for every event I have run thus far I have had a box of t-shirts sponsored and I usually reach out to ThinkGeek, LinuxJournal, Ubuntu User and a list of other companies and ask them to sponsor some swag or gift cards
[09:29] <valorie> that's awesome
[09:29] <bkerensa> Salt: Uhh yeah he comes on IRC sometimes.... He also +1's stuff I post on G+ now and then but he doesnt talk to much
[09:29] <valorie> we need to find a bkerensa for Washington LoCo!
[09:29] <bkerensa> I think I have had 4 conversations with him and two e-mail exchanges
[09:30] <Salt> hmm, i should prob follow him there
[09:30] <Salt> oh, so you don't like know him :P
[09:30] <bkerensa> valorie: And to think that I'm trying to mimic the skill of pleia2 and other LoCo leaders
[09:30] <bkerensa> :D
[09:32] <bkerensa> Salt: Nope not yet but he told me he plans on eventually coming back to Oregon someday and wants to participate :D
[09:32] <bkerensa> Well I better be off to count sheep... Goodnight everyone!
[09:32] <Salt> g'night bkerensa 
[09:36] <valorie> sweet dreams, bkerensa
[17:50] <seattlegaucho> androidbruce: I wasn't at that time :)
[17:50] <androidbruce> yeah.....
[17:50] <androidbruce> im sorry man
[17:50] <androidbruce> what are you using aws for?