[12:52] it seems that there is a buggy upstart script for apache in ubuntu/11.10...boot.log just shows "Starting web server - failed"....if i start it manually it works perfectly....how can i debug the reason for "failed" ? [12:54] scoopex: apache is a SysV service - /etc/init.d/apache2 [12:56] i discovered the reason for this....apache trys to include the config from a nfs-share....the script contains the following lsb-tags "Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $syslog $named"....this is outside of upstart control, right? [12:58] scoopex: yes - apache2 is a SysV package. It really needs to be "upstartified" :) [12:59] it seems that the sysv-compatibility mode ignores the lsb-dependencies.... [17:58] scoopex: indeed, those can't be resolved because some are satisfied by upstart jobs [18:00] jhunt: I wonder if we shouldn't just have an upstart job that uses apachectl in pre-start/post-stop and doesn't track apache's pids. [18:09] SpamapS: what about the the useful arguements? graceful-stop|restart|reload|force-reload|start-htcacheclean|stop-htcacheclean|status [18:10] admins really need this :-) [18:10] scoopex: apachectl isn't going anywhere [18:11] scoopex: (which is where you were *supposed* to be calling those.. ;) === Md_ is now known as Md