[01:43] <phiscribe> ok, not a kubuntu or kde excatly topic, but i like the search and launch optin in kde, anybody know of a lighter wieght windows manager that is similar to that funciton for some of my slower boxes?
[02:03] <photon> will Kubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop version also be supported for 5 years just as Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:06] <szal> photon: desktop LTS versions are supported for 3 years
[02:07] <photon> szal: not the case with Ubuntu 12.04. that's why I'm asking.
[02:07] <szal> photon: yes, with Ubuntu too..  5 years is for the server
[02:08] <photon> szal: again, not with 12.04.
[02:08] <szal> photon: who told you that?
[02:09] <photon> szal: Canonical did. http://www.canonical.com/content/ubuntu-1204-feature-extended-support-period-desktop-users
[02:12] <szal> interesting
[02:13] <photon> And since Canonical will force Unity down our throats with 12.04, and gnome-fallback will be dropped, I'm looking for an alternative that does not use Unity. So far Debian, Linux Mint, and Xubuntu/Kubuntu come to mind. I'm basically looking for a long term support/stable release I can use for years.
[02:13] <phiscribe> centos
[02:19] <Darkwing> photon: we have not decided yet. we are going to meet with the tech board soon. re: 5 or 3 year lts
[02:29] <photon> Darkwing: I see. Well, it'd  be a huge plus, especially for people who want to move away from standard Ubuntu versions.
[02:31] <phiscribe> unity seems 10feet tall
[02:31] <phiscribe> ish
[02:34] <Darkwing> photon. yes, we are putting together a proposal for the tech board. by we I mean the kubuntu council. when we figure it all out, ill make sure a note makes it to kubuntu.org and ill tweet about it.
[02:34] <photon> that'd be awesome, thanks Darkwing.
[02:34] <Darkwing> yup. I'm @dwonderly and ill note updates there too.
[02:35] <Darkwing> anything else we can do while I'm lurking about? :)
[02:36] <phiscribe> configure my asterisk server
[02:36] <Darkwing> lol good luck. ;)
[02:37] <phiscribe> darkwing ninja ducks are chicken
[02:37] <Darkwing> heh. I want my old nick back. :(
[05:31] <TheBuntu> sence with mbr can only have 4 primary partitions and having to make an extended partition for more then 4... And gpt can have more then 4 prrimary.... is there any other ups or downs
[05:32] <Peppermint`Schna> TheBuntu: if you plan to dual boot or such, gpt can be a pita with windows
[05:34] <TheBuntu> Peppermint`Schna: just going to run kubuntu for now... Then maybe later on a 2nd hdd.. win7... but use the bios boot menu to choose between drives
[05:35] <TheBuntu> and i noticed in gparted thens other partition tables
[05:35] <TheBuntu> there's... not then...lol
[05:36] <Peppermint`Schna> TheBuntu: yea there are many different partitioning options, most are not useful to the average person
[05:38] <TheBuntu> bsd is for bsd right... mac for mac...
[05:39] <Peppermint`Schna> if you are realy looking for something else, id look at zfs
[05:40] <TheBuntu> i thought that was a bsd file system
[05:41] <Peppermint`Schna> nope
[05:43] <TheBuntu> how do i get it.. i dont see it in gparted
[05:43] <TheBuntu> unless its the 1 that says sun.. sence it made by sun
[05:44] <Peppermint`Schna> its a fuse
[05:44] <Peppermint`Schna> user space, it runs on top
[05:45] <TheBuntu> ohh
[05:45] <TheBuntu> so its not a partition table then
[05:46] <TheBuntu> reading a wiki on the web...   In computing, ZFS is a combined file system and logical volume manager designed by Sun Microsystems.
[05:46] <Peppermint`Schna> yea
[05:48] <TheBuntu> ohh ok... so i use mbr or gpt.... then insted of ext4... use zfs
[05:48] <Peppermint`Schna> yup
[05:48] <TheBuntu> so its better then ext4
[05:49] <Peppermint`Schna> much so, but mainly for multi disk systems
[05:49] <Peppermint`Schna> it still has better backing up and recovery then ext4, but the performace for it is lower on single disk
[05:50] <TheBuntu> so useing 1 500 gig hdd... zfs is going to preform slower then ext4
[05:51] <Peppermint`Schna> give or take
[05:51] <TheBuntu> what are you useing
[05:55] <starn> can someone help me with my issues with ampache?? everything appears to be setup correctly but i go to http://localhost/ampache and it gives me a 404 error.. yet when i go to it without the /ampache it loads the page apache comes with saying it works.. so it has to be something with configurations or ampache..
[05:59] <TheBuntu> what about btrfs
[06:07] <Peppermint`Schna> no idea, no experiance with it
[06:14] <athena_> Does any body know how to disable akonadi? I really do not know some significant meaning of it on kde.
[06:25] <Peppermint`Schna> ok, this is confusing, why does PackageName conflict with PackageName [universe] ? where PackageName is ALL packages
[06:26] <Peppermint`Schna> this might be the source of the WTH dependancy hell im in
[06:27] <Peppermint`Schna> (and some packages are listed as multiverse instead of universe)
[06:27] <Peppermint`Schna> and yes, my sources.list is default (just doubled checked that)
[06:48] <kierkkadon> So how is Dwarf Fortress for Linux?
[07:07] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have the latest kmail from the ubuntu repos - that is kmail 2 and suddenly every email i try to send stays in the outbox and does not get sent out. Can anyone help?
[07:07] <naftilos76> I am on Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.7.3
[07:18] <HaPirate> Just installed Kubuntu desktop.  Lovin it.  Need help with screen res.  Anyone?
[07:29] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have the latest kmail from the ubuntu repos - that is kmail 2 and suddenly every email i try to send stays in the outbox and does not get sent out. Can anyone help? I am on Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.7.3.
[07:30] <susundberg> I would suspect server settings / status at first ..
[07:30] <susundberg> is the server working with those settings with another client or are you otherwise very certain that the options are correct?
[07:32] <susundberg> If not so can you test the sending with another server -- for example google server -- if that also fails, then there is problem with the program or the usage of it
[08:55] <skramer_> Using KMail2, I´m unable to read my e-mails. The preview just says that it is syncing folders although I´m having POP3 e-mail account... Any hints?
[10:12] <LINKSWORD2> I've got an interesting question, and I'm not sure if it can be answered...
[10:12] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a program called KShutdown installed on my system as a shutdown management timer. I set the timer's date and time and at that point, it tells the system to shutdown, restart, etc.
[10:13] <LINKSWORD2> By default, it comes with a series of notices available: 2 hours, 1 hour, 30 minutes, 5 minutes and 1 minute. I want to find out if more notices can be added, and how, if possible.
[10:17] <LINKSWORD2> My apologies if I appear to be "flooding" but I'd like any pertinent information possible.
[10:55] <SuibaruX> Hey, how is the package with all the codec plugins called? (good bad ugly)
[13:02] <GirlyGirl> Hi, I have a problem with sound on an Intel HDA card. Playback works fine , however my mic does not work at all for some reason. pavucontrol finds the twin mic system but cannot record any input from it
[13:12] <ragnarok> Hey. I go at system > additional drivers and i see 2 options for my gpu: 1) ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver 2) ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post release updates).
[13:12] <ragnarok> what to get?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:15] <vprints> hi
[13:56] <jaime_> hola a tod@s
[14:03] <tomy_> hello where to get help for qt embedded development on STmicroelectronics SPEAr processor
[14:03] <tomy_> ?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> tomy_, not here , look for a qt dev chat room
[14:11] <BluesKaj> tomy_, ldo your own search please
[14:15] <juren> I have a question about the Unity Interface.
[14:15] <soee> yofel, may i ask you a question?
[14:16] <szal> juren: KDE has nothing to do w/ Unity
[14:18] <juren> I understand . . . I'm just trying to get some backgound and understand why Unity was developed.
[14:19] <juren> That's ok, I will try this on another channel.
[14:19] <szal> juren: #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:19] <juren> bye for now
[14:20] <mohammadetakie> hallo
[14:20] <DemonWitch> is it a good idea to use 64bit square flash on ubuntu rather than the default package?
[14:20] <mohammadetakie> i am arabic
[14:21] <DemonWitch> '\\
[14:22] <szal> !arabic | AleppoMohammad
[14:22] <DemonWitch> ubuntu arabic
[14:22] <DemonWitch> is for trolls
[14:22] <AleppoMohammad> thanex
[14:22] <DemonWitch> fuck you
[14:22] <DemonWitch> fuck the prophet
[14:22] <DemonWitch> fuck islam
[14:23] <szal> DemonWitch: shut it now
[14:23] <DemonWitch> now go ahead, have a good day
[14:23] <DemonWitch> szal: dont interven troll
[14:23] <szal> !ops
[14:23] <DemonWitch> cry more troll
[14:23] <DemonWitch> rage moar
[14:24] <szal> jussi: next door too
[14:24] <jussi> szal: they left ;)
[14:24] <szal> jussi: k :)
[14:28] <juren>  #ubuntu-missouri
[14:28] <juren> sorry
[16:13] <soee> do you have the same issue when draging icon on desktop that transparency doesnt work anymore ?
[16:38]  * szal doesn't drag icons onto the desktop
[17:57] <BarkingFish> Hi guys, dunno if anyone's been through an update today, but I have a new kernel showing up in apper - 3.0.0.14.16 - just wondered if it's an official one, or from the proposed updates PPA i'm attached to?
[17:59] <c_smith> its official, i got the same version yesterday and I don't have any PPAs that would give that.
[17:59] <c_smith> I have very few PPAs added, the biggest ones being Playdeb and Getdeb
[18:00] <BluesKaj> yup, getting ready for the transistion to 3,1, then 3.2 eventually on 12.04
[18:01] <BarkingFish> ah, the only ppa I have is the kubuntu one, and i also have proposed updates switched in - i wasn't sure what it was :)
[18:12] <ro0tcra5h> hi @ all
[18:39] <elwood> hi all
[18:40] <elwood> there is another  application i can use to manage bootup services instead of the desfault one ?
[18:41] <BluesKaj> startup&shutdown in system settings , elwood
[18:42] <elwood> yes but there is some stuff like eee-control that i can't manage from there
[18:43] <BluesKaj> eee-control ?
[18:54] <elwood> BluesKaj, an applet for eeepc, to manage some energetic stuff
[18:54] <elwood> but also i want to stop the printer server and so
[19:04] <rashxt> hi
[19:04] <rashxt> I have no audio
[19:04] <rashxt> after boot I got a window tells me that some audio card were removed
[19:05] <rashxt> but this is not true , in fact I have audio card on my motherboard
[19:05] <rashxt> now via phonon I see my audio card disabled and I can't enable
[19:06] <BluesKaj> rashxt, do aplay -l , see what cars are listed
[19:06] <BluesKaj> cards
[19:07] <rashxt> BluesKaj: I see ALC660 card
[19:07] <rashxt> HDA VIA VT82xx
[19:08] <BluesKaj> ok, try this ,  lspci | grep -i audio
[19:09] <rashxt> 80:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237A/VT8251 HDA Controller (rev 10)
[19:13] <rashxt> BluesKaj: any idea?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> rashxt, hang on , Im checking
[19:22] <elwood> rashxt, open alsamixer in a terminal, look if somethigs is switched off and check the backend of phonon in system settings
[19:23] <BluesKaj> rashxt, sudo modprobe snd_ice8251
[19:24] <rashxt> FATAL: Module snd_ice8251 not found.
[19:24] <BluesKaj> elwood, his card isn't showing as default
[19:24] <BluesKaj> rashxt, sudo modprobe snd_ice8237A
[19:25] <elwood> oh sorry
[19:25] <rashxt> not found this too
[19:27] <BluesKaj> rashxt, ok try this ..we need to know what modules is loaded , cat /proc/asound/modules
[19:27] <rashxt> 0 snd_hda_intel
[19:28] <BluesKaj> ok we have something there
[19:31] <BluesKaj>  open this file as root and look for that module in the list , /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf . then if it is add this line, options snd_hda_intel index=0 ..also make sure are no other lines with that module listed, save the file
[19:31] <BluesKaj> rashxt, ^
[19:32] <BluesKaj>  this module , snd_hda_intel ..no 0 in front
[19:35] <BluesKaj> this makes the module the default on your computer, rashxt , which it wasn't before ... you may need to run,  sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel afterwards , then reboot
[19:35] <rashxt> ok trying.....
[19:35] <soee> someone tried KDe 4.8 b1 already ?
[19:35] <rashxt> here's my alsamodule conf: http://pastebin.com/aNFPZ6EB
[19:37] <BluesKaj> rashxt, did you add , options snd_hda_intel index=0 ?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> soee, it's abit soon , what's the rush anyway ?
[19:42] <WinCamXP-Phone> hello, I installed the normal KDE package on ubuntu 11.10, and it boots fine, but after a minute or so the display stops updating correctly
[19:43] <WinCamXP-Phone> In order to see the changes in a window, I have to minimize abd reopen it
[19:43] <BluesKaj> WinCamXP-Phone, normal kde package being ?
[19:43] <WinCamXP-Phone> i cant remember, either kde-default or kde-standard
[19:43] <WinCamXP-Phone> its on the ubuntu repos
[19:44] <BluesKaj> WinCamXP-Phone, install kubuntu-desktop
[19:44] <WinCamXP-Phone> should i uninstall the one I used?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> no
[19:44] <WinCamXP-Phone> then should the pictures update correctly?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> pictures?
[19:45] <rashxt> BluesKaj: ty audio is back
[19:45] <WinCamXP-Phone> because it installed all of the default kde programs and such
[19:45] <BluesKaj> rashxt, good
[19:46] <WinCamXP-Phone> I'm not at my computer, but windows stopped updating and I have to minimize and restore to see changes
[19:46] <WinCamXP-Phone> which is almost unusable, especially on the K menu thing
[19:46] <BluesKaj> WinCamXP-Phone, , windows ?
[19:47] <WinCamXP-Phone> any program I have open
[19:47] <BluesKaj> WinCamXP-Phone, just install kubuntu-desktop
[19:47] <WinCamXP-Phone> what's different between that nd what I used?
[19:48] <WinCamXP-Phone> is the one I used "unofficial" or something?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> it will tie everything together for you ...when kubuntu is installed , which is ubuntu with KDE kubuntu-desktop is default
[19:49] <WinCamXP-Phone> I keep Unity if I ever need it though, right?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> if you wish , just choose your desktop environment in the menu when you login
[19:50] <WinCamXP-Phone> so I do NOT uninstall the kde package I have?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> no
[19:51] <WinCamXP-Phone> will I have two KDE options at login then?
[19:51] <BluesKaj> apt or the package manager will take care of any dupes for you
[19:51] <BluesKaj> no
[19:52] <WinCamXP-Phone> so all of the KDE apps already installed wont be installed again?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> they will remain
[19:52] <WinCamXP-Phone> when I get home I will do that
[19:53] <WinCamXP-Phone> if I need any more help I will be back
[19:53] <WinCamXP-Phone> thanks
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ok, good luck
[20:44] <sayakb> hi, something strange happened on my system. one of my systems was really out of date since about 2 months, so i fired it up and upgraded the packages. Then it prompted me for a dist upgrade, which i started, but it got interrupted. When i logged back in, plasma wont start, so i reconfigured all installed packages. now it says i'm on 11.10 (used lsb_release), and it also says no new updates. is there any way to check what actually happened?
[21:00] <genii-around> sayakb: Might be something in /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/apt/history.log
[21:12] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[21:16] <mithrop> hi here
[21:21] <mithrop> I juste have a little question. To launch kdesu, I now have to enter "$(kde4-config --path libexec)kdesu", there is a way to just enter "kdesu" ?
[21:39] <freemen> Hello room
[21:46] <genii-around> mithrop: Probably make symbolic link in /usr/bin to it's location in /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu-distrib/
[21:46]  * genii-around slides freemen a coffee
[21:46] <mithrop> oh ok :D thank you very well :D
[21:47] <genii-around> mithrop: kdesudo is recommended usually
[21:47] <freemen> thank you genii
[22:08] <BarkingFish> how do I search for which package provides what?  I need the plasma widget library for the systemtray widget
[22:09] <genii-around> BarkingFish: I usually use the web interface at packages.ubuntu.com
[22:09] <BarkingFish> i know there's a way you can do it from the command line, can't remember it though
[22:11] <rork> !find libplasma-widget
[22:15] <BarkingFish> !info plasma-widgets-workspace oneiric
[22:15] <BarkingFish> !rdepends plasma-widgets-workspace
[22:57] <Draggin> Good evening. I'm assuming since you guys use Kubuntu, someone in here might know a thing or two about Okular. Where can I find the annotations, etc. that Okular saves for documents? It's obviously not stored in the PDF itself, but I'd like to copy a particular file's annotations etc. over to a new computer that I'm using now - where do I look?
[22:59] <Draggin> Nevermind - just found the info in the FAQ :)
[22:59] <Draggin> Thanks ;)
[23:14] <Draggin> Out
[23:43] <photon> Can I install Firefox and Thunderbird in Kubuntu if I don't want to use the standard web/email clients?
[23:43] <bazhang> of course