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[02:07] <photon> #kubuntu+1 redirects here, that's why I ask here:  will Kubuntu 12.04 LTS desktop version also be supported for 5 years just as Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:20] <psusi> photon, yes
[02:28] <photon> psusi: Darkwing in #kubuntu is saying they haven't decided yet.
[02:30]  * penguin42 hopes it will
[02:30] <penguin42> but long term support is not easy
[02:30] <photon> penguin42: why do you hope it will? also planning on switching away from Unity?
[02:31] <penguin42> photon: Already have on my main machine
[02:31] <photon> Watcha using?
[02:31] <penguin42> KDE
[02:31] <psusi> photon, well kubuntu IS ubuntu so... maybe what they haven't decided on is supporting the desktop, i.e. the kde packages, for the full 5 instead of 3 years?
[02:32] <photon> maybe, psusi
[02:33] <photon> I tried Kubuntu about 2 years ago but it was buggy as hell for me.
[02:33] <psusi> photon, of course, imho, it doesn't matter much either way since the long term "support" is only security fixes
[02:34] <photon> that's all I'm looking for.
[02:34] <psusi> any desktop user should be upgrading as soon as the next lts comes out anyhow or they are still stuck with 2+ year old applications
[02:35] <psusi> LTS is really for server admins who don't want to break what's working and usually don't care about getting new features
[02:35] <penguin42> psusi: No!
[02:35] <psusi> rather then 5 year part anyhow
[02:36] <penguin42> psusi: Some of use LTS on work laptops
[02:36] <photon> as long as they work and are patched for security holes, it doesn't bother me. I have wasted so much time re-configuring and bug-hunting whenever I upgraded that I'd be glad to stay with 5 year old software if it means it's secure and WORKS. :)
[02:36] <photon> it's sort of like people using Win XP, even though it's quite old.
[02:36] <psusi> not really... because they may still be running xp, but they have upgraded all of the applications they care about
[02:38] <penguin42> psusi: I run (besides other stuff) a bunch of apps that I need to run for work, and I can't be bothered fighting to see if thyey can be made to work on latest; at home I run latest
[02:41] <psusi> penguin42, that makes sense to me for using LTS instead of the 6 month releases... but you can't be bothered to ugprade to the next LTS every 2 years?
[02:41] <penguin42> psusi: Oh yeh, I'm fine with that
[02:41] <psusi> I mean, a lot changes in 2 years...  sticking with say, 6 releases behind of firefox is kinda.... ick
[02:43] <penguin42> yeh, I just get good old 3.whatever with whatever security fixes they gave it recently
[02:46] <photon> penguin42: from your experience, how's Kubuntu? are you happy with it?
[02:47] <penguin42> photon: Yep
[02:47] <penguin42> photon: I'm still running the Oneiric Kubuntu on that machine; heavy web browsing, dev, playing music; sometimes gets a little confused with PA, but hey that's PA
[02:51] <bjsnider> lts releases are also for people who want to wait until stuff like unity is more mature before switching
[02:51] <bjsnider> non-lts releases aren't always stable
[02:55] <micahg> psusi: precise will stay on rapid release for Firefox
[03:05] <psusi> micahg, you mean abandon SRU philosophy?
[03:05] <photon> penguin42: cool. in what way confused with PA? Does it crash? .. and have you ever tried Xubuntu?
[03:05] <micahg> psusi: Firefox has a microrelease exception
[03:05] <micahg> psusi: with a 6 week release and support cadence, we don't have another option
[03:05] <psusi> micahg, interesting... that is the only exception?
[03:05] <micahg> psusi: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[03:05]  * psusi still does't understand why mozilla decided to push a release every 6 weeks...
[03:06] <penguin42> psusi: Probably because they have to do the security updates anyway
[03:06] <bjsnider> it's a violation of the rule of major release numbers
[03:06] <bjsnider> they're doing patch releases and changing the major number
[03:06] <psusi> penguin42, yea, but the whole reason you do security updates is to avoid causing breakage by merging all of the new features too
[03:06] <penguin42> indeed
[03:06] <psusi> bjsnider, yea, that is what it seems like to me too
[03:06] <micahg> psusi: http://blog.johnath.com/2011/07/18/every-six-weeks/
[03:06] <bjsnider> i don't know if that's an "official" rule or not, but they shouldn't be changing the major number without adding major new features or changes
[03:06] <psusi> an uppdate every 6 weeks is one thing... but bumping the major number every time?  wtf?
[03:06] <psusi> micahg, the cadence makes sense to me... bumping the major rev each time does not
[03:06] <psusi> I mean we've gone from version 4 to version 8... in a year or two we'll be at what?  27?
[03:07] <micahg> we're at chromium 15 already
[03:07] <psusi> that's nuts
[03:24] <bjsnider> yes but everything google codes is marked beta so they've got an excuse
[03:24] <bjsnider> i'm using chromium 17
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[05:08] <dr3mro> hello guys.. will ubuntu 11.04 feature full migration to dconf ?
[05:08] <dr3mro> gtk3 ?
[05:09] <dr3mro> hello guys.. will ubuntu 12.04 feature full migration to dconf ? gtk3 ?
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[10:04] <FernandoMiguel> how can there be no updates in the last 12h ?
[10:04] <FernandoMiguel> are the build servers down?
[12:02] <geser> I just did an upgrade and there where updated packages
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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[14:14] <sagaci> hi BluesKaj
[14:17] <BluesKaj> hi sagaci
[16:03] <genii-around> Nice, the previously weird edges and scrollbars of gtk apps under kubuntu is fixed after this last update.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I'm finding 12.04 has fixed quite a few issue I had with kde windows "look" and fonts etc
[16:05] <BluesKaj> fewer plasma crashes
[16:33] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Up to yesterday they were looking like this for me:  http://imagebin.org/185443
[16:37] <BluesKaj> right , i use a very simple theme for both desktop and windows appearance due to themes inablilty to play nice on plasma without crashing
[16:37] <BluesKaj> genii-around, ^
[16:38] <genii-around> Right now I'm using "Glassified" , all seems well
[16:39] <BluesKaj> my desktop effects settings might affect plasma's stability too
[16:41] <BluesKaj> i'm using the gt7600 you sent me, on this pc , an entry level dual core amd64 cpu
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[16:43] <BluesKaj> the 7600gt works very well for this TV , dvi to hdmi ,  genii-around
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[16:59] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Here's a shot of my current desktop with some things open for illustrative purposes
[16:59] <genii-around> http://imagebin.org/185447
[17:04] <BluesKaj> looks cool and clean genii-around :)
[17:07] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I'm pretty happy with it for now. You can tell they've done quite a lot of work improving the network widget. I have it open to show that if you set the interface in /etc/network/interfaces it won't show thoroughput
[17:09] <BluesKaj> genii-around was going upload to imagebin but due to the size of the desktop image , it's a no-go ..using our plasma tv as a monitor
[17:14] <BluesKaj> genii-around, resized the image ...it might still be a bit large http://imagebin.org/185453
[17:29] <BluesKaj> genii-around, this one has /home/user dolphin http://imagebin.org/185455
[17:30] <BluesKaj> simple look for stability ...I haven't tried any themes with alot of contrasts , they seem cause plasma crashes on my setup
[17:42] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Nice
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[21:12] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[22:36]  * alex_mayorga wonders how many laptops are seriously malfunctioning on Pangolin
[23:26] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: In which particular way (haven't tried it)
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