| doctormo | Hello everyone | 02:51 |
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| doctormo | Service will be spotty up here in VT while I'm enjoying the holy day of Thank's Giving. | 02:51 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:23 |
| yaili_ | good morning | 08:29 |
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| sladen | morning all. Are there any outstanding requests for bits and pieces that I need to look for while I'm in the office today? | 10:21 |
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| AlanBell | hi sladen and all | 11:29 |
| sladen | AlanBell: indeedy | 11:30 |
| sladen | AlanBell: what can I do for you | 11:30 |
| AlanBell | I have been playing with pencil for the unity on the telly project thing | 11:31 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ | 11:31 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ | 11:31 |
| AlanBell | created a base frame for people to sketch on designs of what unity media centre television thing might look like | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | sladen: one last place available for the christmas meal if you or someone else in the office can make it http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/ | 11:36 |
| sladen | AlanBell: I'm not going to book it as the penalty is too great. But if I happen to be in London that evening and it's still unfilled, I might come along | 11:40 |
| sladen | went to one in Berlin. My impression was that they don't get, or feel the need for repeat customers | 11:40 |
| sladen | it's more like a theme-park novalty ride | 11:41 |
| AlanBell | yes, I know what you mean | 11:41 |
| sladen | they were rude about my Brompton, managed to upset one of my dinning companions (another vegetarian + other issues, who wanted to see the menu before hand) | 11:42 |
| sladen | I think sabdfl's story about the shellfish ties up with that | 11:42 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 11:42 |
| sladen | the partially-sighted community is benefitting, but other people are making the profit | 11:43 |
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| sladen | jonobacon/wendar: were you working on some governance stuff | 13:58 |
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| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ storyboard sketching improved | 14:49 |
| doctormo | The web chat had limits! 6am it turns into a pumpkin, good to know. | 15:40 |
| doctormo | AlanBell: Does ltp have a slot limit function yet? | 15:41 |
| AlanBell | ltp? | 15:41 |
| AlanBell | slot limit?? | 15:41 |
| AlanBell | loco team portal | 15:41 |
| AlanBell | I don't know what a slot limit function is doctormo | 15:42 |
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| Andy80 | sladen: hi! I opened a bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/894036 ) for XChat about using "Ubuntu Mono" as default font for it, but I've seen that the sourcecode of the Precise version was already modified to use "Monospace". The question is: since the Terminal and all the other apps use "Ubuntu Mono", should not we use it to have UI consistency? Thanks | 15:47 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 894036 in xchat (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Mono font should be used by default in XChat" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:47 |
| sladen | can people with Android have a look at http://module.create3000.de/tests/test-module.html and see if there's double-spacing happening | 16:06 |
| YoBoY | sladen: you are evil, an url shortener is really useful on that case :D | 16:17 |
| YoBoY | but don't know what you are looking for... the display seems identical on my android and my ubuntu | 16:19 |
| Andy80 | sladen: just replied on LP ;) | 16:23 |
| sladen | YoBoY: d o e s i t l o o k l i k e t h i s ? | 16:31 |
| sladen | YoBoY: or like this? | 16:31 |
| YoBoY | looks normal :) no extra spaces | 16:32 |
| sladen | YoBoY: interesting. And you're definitely using the Android browser | 16:33 |
| sladen | Andy80: can you share with YoBoY how to get the version number information or the browser | 16:33 |
| sladen | of the browser | 16:33 |
| sladen | so we can work out which versions are affected | 16:33 |
| YoBoY | hum... define "android brower" ^^" i'm using the one on my smartphone, an HTC, don't know if it's the official android browser | 16:34 |
| * AlanBell has double spacing going on | 16:35 | |
| sladen | YoBoY: the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/894036 It's been raised by somebody else (Andy80) | 16:35 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 894036 in xchat (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Mono font should be used by default in XChat" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:35 |
| AlanBell | samsung galaxy s2 internal browser | 16:35 |
| sladen | AlanBell: s p a c e d or normal? | 16:36 |
| AlanBell | s p a c e d | 16:36 |
| AlanBell | version 2.3.3 | 16:37 |
| Andy80 | sladen: what do I have to do exactly? how the browser is related to my bug? | 16:38 |
| YoBoY | version 2.2, webkit 3.1 | 16:38 |
| AlanBell | YoBoY: settings-applications-manage applications-all-internet | 16:38 |
| YoBoY | yes version 2.2 | 16:39 |
| YoBoY | thanks AlanBell | 16:39 |
| AlanBell | sladen: fine in mobile firefox, but no surprise there I expect | 16:41 |
| sladen | Andy80: There is a bug somewhere. Your screenshot proves that. And I've confirmed it on the Android device of the person next to me in the Millbank office | 16:41 |
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| sladen | Andy80: this could be either (a) a bug in the Ubuntu Mono Font. (b) a bug in the subsetting system used by Google in order to transmit smaller files. (c) a bug in a particular version(s) of a particular Browser(s) | 16:41 |
| Andy80 | sladen: you're talking with the wrong person....I didn't provide any screenshot O_o I'm the one who wrote you about an XChat improvement. | 16:42 |
| sladen | Andy80: ah, sorry | 16:42 |
| Andy80 | sladen: I proposed to use "Ubuntu Mono" as default font in XChat, that's all :D | 16:42 |
| sladen | Andy80: yes, that's a separate bug. For that, could you just do bzr diff file-you-modified.something | 16:42 |
| sladen | Andy80: with the branches deleted, I'm not able to guess what file(s) you've changed | 16:43 |
| sladen | Andy80: if you list the commands you've type in order to get+test the source code, I can also possibly help find the difficulty with bzr | 16:43 |
| sladen | Andy80: and in uploading the tree | 16:43 |
| Andy80 | sladen: no problem, I just need two informations.... 1) which one is the proper lp:project I've to branch from and 2) which one is the proper project where I've to push. I'll take care of the modify and of the merge request. | 16:46 |
| sladen | Andy80: lets worry about pulling it first | 16:48 |
| Andy80 | sladen: ok :) | 16:49 |
| sladen | Andy80: what did you type? Eg. bzr branch lp: or apt-get source xchat? | 16:49 |
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| Andy80 | sladen: "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xchat" this | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | sladen: is it the proper branch? | 16:50 |
| sladen | bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xchat yes | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | nice | 16:50 |
| sladen | Andy80: and then you changed some files? | 16:50 |
| YoBoY | sladen: ok, I can see the extra spaces on my android browser when I activate the "mobiel view", AlanBell can you check that on your browser ? | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | sladen: not yet... or better I just started from scratch... it's just one line so I can do it now... wait.. | 16:50 |
| sladen | YoBoY: how does one active/deactive "mobile" view. Could you put that in the bug report? | 16:51 |
| YoBoY | sladen: bug number ? | 16:51 |
| YoBoY | don't give me again the xchat bug :p | 16:51 |
| sladen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/894133 | 16:52 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 894133 in Ubuntu Font Family "Android Webkit gives double-width spacing when Ubuntu Mono used as web font" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 16:52 |
| YoBoY | thank you :) | 16:52 |
| Andy80 | sladen: file modified, I even did the bzr ci ......, now I need to push it somewhere | 16:52 |
| sladen | Andy80: do bzr revert | 16:53 |
| sladen | sorry | 16:53 |
| sladen | Andy80: do bzr uncommit | 16:53 |
| sladen | and then bzr diff | 16:53 |
| Andy80 | sladen: here is the diff http://pastebin.com/24hznXxx | 16:54 |
| Andy80 | it looks ok to me... but I wait for your word :P | 16:56 |
| YoBoY | ok I'm puzzled... seems my browser don't use the right police in "normal view" (can't see the magic characters) | 16:56 |
| YannDinendal | sladen, Andy80: shouldn't "Monospace" automatically default to "Ubuntu Mono" ? | 16:57 |
| Andy80 | YannDinendal: I don't know.... if it's true, then my patch is useless :) | 16:58 |
| Andy80 | no problem in that case ;) | 16:58 |
| sladen | Andy80: the way it was done, for the last release was to only change it via the gsettings value and the 'ubuntu-artwork' package | 17:41 |
| sladen | Andy80: arguably if the whole of the Ubuntu platform (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, ...) is happy with that change, then it could be chanced | 17:41 |
| sladen | Andy80: I'm still interested in seeing the patch that Andy80 made and proposed that | 17:42 |
| sladen | Andy80: to get the wider reaction from the Ubuntu platform people | 17:42 |
| Andy80 | sladen: my patch just modified this line: #define DEF_FONT "Ubuntu Mono 12" | 17:43 |
| sladen | Andy80: so, how far did you get | 17:44 |
| Andy80 | sladen: but of course it's only for Ubuntu, not for Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Debian ecc.... | 17:44 |
| sladen | Andy80: did you get as far as modifying that? | 17:44 |
| Andy80 | sladen: what you mean? | 17:44 |
| Andy80 | (excuse me, maybe my bad english :\ ) | 17:44 |
| sladen | Andy80: you did 1. bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xchat xchat-ubuntu-mono | 17:45 |
| sladen | Andy80: did you do gedit xchat/some/file.c | 17:45 |
| Andy80 | yes | 17:45 |
| Andy80 | I need to commit and push now... | 17:45 |
| Andy80 | sladen: can I commit and push? if yes... where do I push exactly? | 17:46 |
| sladen | Andy80: bzr commit -m 'Overide DEF_FONT to be "Ubuntu Mono 13"' | 17:46 |
| sladen | Andy80: or before that, do bzr status and check that you only modified one file | 17:46 |
| Andy80 | yes, only that | 17:47 |
| Andy80 | btw it's Ubuntu Mono 12, not 13 (the same as Terminal) | 17:47 |
| Andy80 | sladen: do you think that this push could be ok: bzr push lp:~andreagrandi/ubuntu/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono ? | 17:51 |
| sladen | Andy80: I think so. Or if that doesn't work bzr push lp:~andreagrandi/+junk/xchat-ubuntu-mono | 17:52 |
| Andy80 | sladen: oh no! I already tried to use "junk" url the first time and it was impossible to merge then | 17:53 |
| Andy80 | sladen: but neither this one work.... uff: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~andreagrandi/ubuntu/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono": No such distribution series xchat. | 17:54 |
| sladen | Andy80: do you have SSH setup? | 17:57 |
| sladen | Andy80: to push you need to have an SSH key registered in Launchpad | 17:57 |
| Andy80 | sladen: yes... I regularly push stuff into Unity-2D | 17:57 |
| Andy80 | sladen: the problem is this... usually the push URL would be this one: push lp:~andreagrandi/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono, but this will push into the upstream one, not the Ubuntu one | 17:58 |
| Andy80 | sladen: so I need to know the proper URL | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | /ubuntu/precise/xchat-ubuntu-mono perhaps? | 17:59 |
| Andy80 | AlanBell: or maybe: /ubuntu/precise/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono ? | 18:00 |
| AlanBell | maybe :) | 18:01 |
| Andy80 | ok... something was pushed :P let's see if I can merge it | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | AlanBell, sladen the branch is here https://code.launchpad.net/~andreagrandi/ubuntu/precise/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | now I need to merge to the right one ;) | 18:02 |
| Andy80 | AlanBell, sladen ok this should be the merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~andreagrandi/ubuntu/precise/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono/+merge/83332 let's hope it doesn't give any diff errors like yesterday | 18:05 |
| Andy80 | nice! it worked :) | 18:05 |
| sladen | Andy80: hopefully it may start a discussion about whether to do it that way, or change the whole lot at a higher level | 18:08 |
| Andy80 | sladen: yes.... I tried to look if there was the possibility to change this at /etc/... level, but I didn't find anything, do I ended changing it just there. | 18:09 |
| sladen | grep -i monospace -r /etc/fonts/conf.d/ | 18:11 |
| wendar | sladen: for ubuntu-design? yes, the CC reviewed it in the last meeting | 19:29 |
| wendar | sladen: basically, the CC is the governance as we get started, and will help us grow team leadership | 19:30 |
| sladen | wendar: okay. Current plan would be to work on rolling out a design.ubuntu.com as a planet, then progressively add people from the Ubuntu Design community has they gain recognition | 19:35 |
| sladen | wendar: (I'm hoping that the design.canonical.com blog would qualify at some point, for anything with the tag 'ubuntu') | 19:36 |
| wendar | sladen: you've talked with sabdfl and inayaili? they're moving design.canonical.com to design.ubuntu.com and opening it up to Ubuntu design community | 19:37 |
| wendar | sladen: or, is this the next step on that plan? | 19:37 |
| sladen | wendar: yes, we had another meeting today | 19:41 |
| wendar | sladen: cool, sounds good (and quick and easy to set up, which is good) | 19:42 |
| sladen | wendar: where the plan distilled to leaving design.canonical.com. But moving all the perma-content to upstream (Unity guidlines -> unity.u.com; Ubuntu stuff to design.u.com; etc) | 19:44 |
| sladen | wendar: so the Canonical Brand Guideline stuff could live there (until it gets superceded), but the Ubuntu stuff would live on design.u.com (or somewhere else too) | 19:45 |
| sladen | wendar: however, I think you're way around on governance. Clearly I've missed something proactive and productive happening there | 19:46 |
| AlanBell | I have put together an ubuntuish/canonicalish export template for pencil: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ | 19:47 |
| wendar | sladen: sounds like a good distribution of content | 19:47 |
| wendar | sladen: on governance: ah, a good start, early days yet, we're still a baby team | 19:48 |
| wendar | AlanBell: cool! | 19:49 |
| sladen | AlanBell: what kinds of interfaces do you imagine people using for televisions? | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ the .ep files are the pencil files, and the ubuntu.zip is a pencil export filter | 19:51 |
| sladen | AlanBell: eg, would they be using a mouse/ | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | sladen: dunno, but that isn't really the point in this context | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | the point is that the free software wireframing tool is full of awesome | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | I am going to give that stuff to the #ubuntu-tv project to get them to do more concept wireframing stuff | 19:52 |
| AlanBell | I suspect the TV thing will end up either going nowhere, or becomming a unity theme for xbmc | 19:52 |
| AlanBell | so from an ubuntu-design point of view I wanted to make a wireframing/storyboard template that could be used for all sorts of things | 19:55 |
| * sladen spots the old favicon on people.u.com | 19:55 | |
| sladen | anyone want to file that at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=people.u.c+uses+pre-2010+Ubuntu+favicon and take the credit? | 19:56 |
| AlanBell | you spotted it | 19:56 |
| mmiicc | sladen: can you close this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/790913 I'm not sure if I as a reporter can do that | 21:03 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 790913 in Ubuntu Font Family "UbuntuBeta Mono font looks blurry in Firefox and Chromium compared to Ubuntu Regular" [Undecided,New] | 21:03 |
| sladen | mmiicc: I think there was another bug I just bounced back to you from 18 months ago | 21:10 |
| sladen | mmiicc: marked it a dup of bug #820493 | 21:12 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 820493 in Ubuntu Font Family "Mono: No hinting yet - Ubuntu Beta Mono font looks jagged in Netbeans and terrible with ClearType" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820493 | 21:12 |
| mmiicc | sladen: yes, that way you reminded me about this bug :) | 21:15 |
| sladen | mmiicc: would you be willing to help check an other ones that need re-testing | 21:18 |
| mmiicc | sladen: no problem | 21:18 |
| sladen | mmiicc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/603049 could do with somebody firing up the font at 9pt for each of the weights | 21:18 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 603049 in Ubuntu Font Family "Hinting: hinted ~9pt is 1 pixel shorter than raw outlines" [High,Triaged] | 21:18 |
| sladen | mmiicc: and comparing the height between unhinted (the real outlines) and the fully manually hinted forms | 21:18 |
| mmiicc | sladen: how can I add more than one attachment to bug report? | 21:54 |
| mmiicc | sladen: nevermind, I've added zip file https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/603049/comments/24 | 21:57 |
| webbugs | Launchpad bug 603049 in Ubuntu Font Family "Hinting: hinted ~9pt is 1 pixel shorter than raw outlines" [High,Triaged] | 21:57 |
| sladen | mmiicc: what's your analysis based on the screenshots? | 22:03 |
| mmiicc | sladen: I see difference in width but not height | 22:04 |
| mmiicc | sladen: but I'm not an expert : | 22:04 |
| mmiicc | sladen: if you have more bugs to check, I'll be back tomorrow :) | 22:06 |
| mmiicc | good night for now | 22:06 |
| sladen | mmiicc: thank you very much | 22:07 |
| sladen | pleia2: is there anything else needed from the office design archive before I leave the office at some point | 22:54 |
| sladen | oh, banner SVG | 22:58 |
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