[02:51] Hello everyone [02:51] Service will be spotty up here in VT while I'm enjoying the holy day of Thank's Giving. [08:23] good morning [08:29] good morning === johnoxton__ is now known as johnoxton === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy === ckpringle__ is now known as ckpringle [10:21] morning all. Are there any outstanding requests for bits and pieces that I need to look for while I'm in the office today? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy [11:29] hi sladen and all [11:30] AlanBell: indeedy [11:30] AlanBell: what can I do for you [11:31] I have been playing with pencil for the unity on the telly project thing [11:31] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ [11:31] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ [11:32] created a base frame for people to sketch on designs of what unity media centre television thing might look like [11:36] sladen: one last place available for the christmas meal if you or someone else in the office can make it http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/ [11:40] AlanBell: I'm not going to book it as the penalty is too great. But if I happen to be in London that evening and it's still unfilled, I might come along [11:40] went to one in Berlin. My impression was that they don't get, or feel the need for repeat customers [11:41] it's more like a theme-park novalty ride [11:41] yes, I know what you mean [11:42] they were rude about my Brompton, managed to upset one of my dinning companions (another vegetarian + other issues, who wanted to see the menu before hand) [11:42] I think sabdfl's story about the shellfish ties up with that [11:42] yeah [11:43] the partially-sighted community is benefitting, but other people are making the profit === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === nuthinking_ is now known as nuthinking [13:58] jonobacon/wendar: were you working on some governance stuff === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:49] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ storyboard sketching improved [15:40] The web chat had limits! 6am it turns into a pumpkin, good to know. [15:41] AlanBell: Does ltp have a slot limit function yet? [15:41] ltp? [15:41] slot limit?? [15:41] loco team portal [15:42] I don't know what a slot limit function is doctormo === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:47] sladen: hi! I opened a bug ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/894036 ) for XChat about using "Ubuntu Mono" as default font for it, but I've seen that the sourcecode of the Precise version was already modified to use "Monospace". The question is: since the Terminal and all the other apps use "Ubuntu Mono", should not we use it to have UI consistency? Thanks [15:47] Launchpad bug 894036 in xchat (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Mono font should be used by default in XChat" [Undecided,In progress] [16:06] can people with Android have a look at http://module.create3000.de/tests/test-module.html and see if there's double-spacing happening [16:17] sladen: you are evil, an url shortener is really useful on that case :D [16:19] but don't know what you are looking for... the display seems identical on my android and my ubuntu [16:23] sladen: just replied on LP ;) [16:31] YoBoY: d o e s i t l o o k l i k e t h i s ? [16:31] YoBoY: or like this? [16:32] looks normal :) no extra spaces [16:33] YoBoY: interesting. And you're definitely using the Android browser [16:33] Andy80: can you share with YoBoY how to get the version number information or the browser [16:33] of the browser [16:33] so we can work out which versions are affected [16:34] hum... define "android brower" ^^" i'm using the one on my smartphone, an HTC, don't know if it's the official android browser [16:35] * AlanBell has double spacing going on [16:35] YoBoY: the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/894036 It's been raised by somebody else (Andy80) [16:35] Launchpad bug 894036 in xchat (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Mono font should be used by default in XChat" [Undecided,In progress] [16:35] samsung galaxy s2 internal browser [16:36] AlanBell: s p a c e d or normal? [16:36] s p a c e d [16:37] version 2.3.3 [16:38] sladen: what do I have to do exactly? how the browser is related to my bug? [16:38] version 2.2, webkit 3.1 [16:38] YoBoY: settings-applications-manage applications-all-internet [16:39] yes version 2.2 [16:39] thanks AlanBell [16:41] sladen: fine in mobile firefox, but no surprise there I expect [16:41] Andy80: There is a bug somewhere. Your screenshot proves that. And I've confirmed it on the Android device of the person next to me in the Millbank office === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [16:41] Andy80: this could be either (a) a bug in the Ubuntu Mono Font. (b) a bug in the subsetting system used by Google in order to transmit smaller files. (c) a bug in a particular version(s) of a particular Browser(s) [16:42] sladen: you're talking with the wrong person....I didn't provide any screenshot O_o I'm the one who wrote you about an XChat improvement. [16:42] Andy80: ah, sorry [16:42] sladen: I proposed to use "Ubuntu Mono" as default font in XChat, that's all :D [16:42] Andy80: yes, that's a separate bug. For that, could you just do bzr diff file-you-modified.something [16:43] Andy80: with the branches deleted, I'm not able to guess what file(s) you've changed [16:43] Andy80: if you list the commands you've type in order to get+test the source code, I can also possibly help find the difficulty with bzr [16:43] Andy80: and in uploading the tree [16:46] sladen: no problem, I just need two informations.... 1) which one is the proper lp:project I've to branch from and 2) which one is the proper project where I've to push. I'll take care of the modify and of the merge request. [16:48] Andy80: lets worry about pulling it first [16:49] sladen: ok :) [16:49] Andy80: what did you type? Eg. bzr branch lp: or apt-get source xchat? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [16:50] sladen: "bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xchat" this [16:50] sladen: is it the proper branch? [16:50] bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xchat yes [16:50] nice [16:50] Andy80: and then you changed some files? [16:50] sladen: ok, I can see the extra spaces on my android browser when I activate the "mobiel view", AlanBell can you check that on your browser ? [16:50] sladen: not yet... or better I just started from scratch... it's just one line so I can do it now... wait.. [16:51] YoBoY: how does one active/deactive "mobile" view. Could you put that in the bug report? [16:51] sladen: bug number ? [16:51] don't give me again the xchat bug :p [16:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/894133 [16:52] Launchpad bug 894133 in Ubuntu Font Family "Android Webkit gives double-width spacing when Ubuntu Mono used as web font" [Undecided,Incomplete] [16:52] thank you :) [16:52] sladen: file modified, I even did the bzr ci ......, now I need to push it somewhere [16:53] Andy80: do bzr revert [16:53] sorry [16:53] Andy80: do bzr uncommit [16:53] and then bzr diff [16:54] sladen: here is the diff http://pastebin.com/24hznXxx [16:56] it looks ok to me... but I wait for your word :P [16:56] ok I'm puzzled... seems my browser don't use the right police in "normal view" (can't see the magic characters) [16:57] sladen, Andy80: shouldn't "Monospace" automatically default to "Ubuntu Mono" ? [16:58] YannDinendal: I don't know.... if it's true, then my patch is useless :) [16:58] no problem in that case ;) [17:41] Andy80: the way it was done, for the last release was to only change it via the gsettings value and the 'ubuntu-artwork' package [17:41] Andy80: arguably if the whole of the Ubuntu platform (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, ...) is happy with that change, then it could be chanced [17:42] Andy80: I'm still interested in seeing the patch that Andy80 made and proposed that [17:42] Andy80: to get the wider reaction from the Ubuntu platform people [17:43] sladen: my patch just modified this line: #define DEF_FONT "Ubuntu Mono 12" [17:44] Andy80: so, how far did you get [17:44] sladen: but of course it's only for Ubuntu, not for Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Debian ecc.... [17:44] Andy80: did you get as far as modifying that? [17:44] sladen: what you mean? [17:44] (excuse me, maybe my bad english :\ ) [17:45] Andy80: you did 1. bzr branch lp:ubuntu/xchat xchat-ubuntu-mono [17:45] Andy80: did you do gedit xchat/some/file.c [17:45] yes [17:45] I need to commit and push now... [17:46] sladen: can I commit and push? if yes... where do I push exactly? [17:46] Andy80: bzr commit -m 'Overide DEF_FONT to be "Ubuntu Mono 13"' [17:46] Andy80: or before that, do bzr status and check that you only modified one file [17:47] yes, only that [17:47] btw it's Ubuntu Mono 12, not 13 (the same as Terminal) [17:51] sladen: do you think that this push could be ok: bzr push lp:~andreagrandi/ubuntu/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono ? [17:52] Andy80: I think so. Or if that doesn't work bzr push lp:~andreagrandi/+junk/xchat-ubuntu-mono [17:53] sladen: oh no! I already tried to use "junk" url the first time and it was impossible to merge then [17:54] sladen: but neither this one work.... uff: bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~andreagrandi/ubuntu/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono": No such distribution series xchat. [17:57] Andy80: do you have SSH setup? [17:57] Andy80: to push you need to have an SSH key registered in Launchpad [17:57] sladen: yes... I regularly push stuff into Unity-2D [17:58] sladen: the problem is this... usually the push URL would be this one: push lp:~andreagrandi/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono, but this will push into the upstream one, not the Ubuntu one [17:58] sladen: so I need to know the proper URL [17:59] /ubuntu/precise/xchat-ubuntu-mono perhaps? [18:00] AlanBell: or maybe: /ubuntu/precise/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono ? [18:01] maybe :) [18:02] ok... something was pushed :P let's see if I can merge it [18:02] AlanBell, sladen the branch is here https://code.launchpad.net/~andreagrandi/ubuntu/precise/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono [18:02] now I need to merge to the right one ;) [18:05] AlanBell, sladen ok this should be the merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~andreagrandi/ubuntu/precise/xchat/xchat-ubuntu-mono/+merge/83332 let's hope it doesn't give any diff errors like yesterday [18:05] nice! it worked :) [18:08] Andy80: hopefully it may start a discussion about whether to do it that way, or change the whole lot at a higher level [18:09] sladen: yes.... I tried to look if there was the possibility to change this at /etc/... level, but I didn't find anything, do I ended changing it just there. [18:11] grep -i monospace -r /etc/fonts/conf.d/ [19:29] sladen: for ubuntu-design? yes, the CC reviewed it in the last meeting [19:30] sladen: basically, the CC is the governance as we get started, and will help us grow team leadership [19:35] wendar: okay. Current plan would be to work on rolling out a design.ubuntu.com as a planet, then progressively add people from the Ubuntu Design community has they gain recognition [19:36] wendar: (I'm hoping that the design.canonical.com blog would qualify at some point, for anything with the tag 'ubuntu') [19:37] sladen: you've talked with sabdfl and inayaili? they're moving design.canonical.com to design.ubuntu.com and opening it up to Ubuntu design community [19:37] sladen: or, is this the next step on that plan? [19:41] wendar: yes, we had another meeting today [19:42] sladen: cool, sounds good (and quick and easy to set up, which is good) [19:44] wendar: where the plan distilled to leaving design.canonical.com. But moving all the perma-content to upstream (Unity guidlines -> unity.u.com; Ubuntu stuff to design.u.com; etc) [19:45] wendar: so the Canonical Brand Guideline stuff could live there (until it gets superceded), but the Ubuntu stuff would live on design.u.com (or somewhere else too) [19:46] wendar: however, I think you're way around on governance. Clearly I've missed something proactive and productive happening there [19:47] I have put together an ubuntuish/canonicalish export template for pencil: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ [19:47] sladen: sounds like a good distribution of content [19:48] sladen: on governance: ah, a good start, early days yet, we're still a baby team [19:49] AlanBell: cool! [19:51] AlanBell: what kinds of interfaces do you imagine people using for televisions? [19:51] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/ the .ep files are the pencil files, and the ubuntu.zip is a pencil export filter [19:51] AlanBell: eg, would they be using a mouse/ [19:51] sladen: dunno, but that isn't really the point in this context [19:51] the point is that the free software wireframing tool is full of awesome [19:52] I am going to give that stuff to the #ubuntu-tv project to get them to do more concept wireframing stuff [19:52] I suspect the TV thing will end up either going nowhere, or becomming a unity theme for xbmc [19:55] so from an ubuntu-design point of view I wanted to make a wireframing/storyboard template that could be used for all sorts of things [19:55] * sladen spots the old favicon on people.u.com [19:56] anyone want to file that at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-branding/+filebug?field.title=people.u.c+uses+pre-2010+Ubuntu+favicon and take the credit? [19:56] you spotted it [21:03] sladen: can you close this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/790913 I'm not sure if I as a reporter can do that [21:03] Launchpad bug 790913 in Ubuntu Font Family "UbuntuBeta Mono font looks blurry in Firefox and Chromium compared to Ubuntu Regular" [Undecided,New] [21:10] mmiicc: I think there was another bug I just bounced back to you from 18 months ago [21:12] mmiicc: marked it a dup of bug #820493 [21:12] Launchpad bug 820493 in Ubuntu Font Family "Mono: No hinting yet - Ubuntu Beta Mono font looks jagged in Netbeans and terrible with ClearType" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820493 [21:15] sladen: yes, that way you reminded me about this bug :) [21:18] mmiicc: would you be willing to help check an other ones that need re-testing [21:18] sladen: no problem [21:18] mmiicc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/603049 could do with somebody firing up the font at 9pt for each of the weights [21:18] Launchpad bug 603049 in Ubuntu Font Family "Hinting: hinted ~9pt is 1 pixel shorter than raw outlines" [High,Triaged] [21:18] mmiicc: and comparing the height between unhinted (the real outlines) and the fully manually hinted forms [21:54] sladen: how can I add more than one attachment to bug report? [21:57] sladen: nevermind, I've added zip file https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family/+bug/603049/comments/24 [21:57] Launchpad bug 603049 in Ubuntu Font Family "Hinting: hinted ~9pt is 1 pixel shorter than raw outlines" [High,Triaged] [22:03] mmiicc: what's your analysis based on the screenshots? [22:04] sladen: I see difference in width but not height [22:04] sladen: but I'm not an expert : [22:06] sladen: if you have more bugs to check, I'll be back tomorrow :) [22:06] good night for now [22:07] mmiicc: thank you very much [22:54] pleia2: is there anything else needed from the office design archive before I leave the office at some point [22:58] oh, banner SVG