| dmj726 | AlanBell: I don't think pure VNC is the best idea actually | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| AlanBell | a slightly better protocol perhaps | 00:00 |
| dmj726 | In a lot of cases you don't really want to replicate your tablet's screen. | 00:01 |
| AlanBell | no, I want to replicate the TV screen on the tablet | 00:01 |
| AlanBell | so I can drag the progress bar with my fingers | 00:01 |
| AlanBell | so my tablet becomes a touchscreen remote control for the telly | 00:01 |
| dmj726 | Well, that might be *one* good tool, but there are other use cases | 00:01 |
| dmj726 | actually I do think your suggestion is good | 00:02 |
| AlanBell | possibly scale in memory to 480x270 and vnc that | 00:02 |
| dmj726 | Somebody might want to watch sports, and have their tablet sync with the game to show additional stats for instance | 00:03 |
| imnichol | What about just replicating the tv controls on your mobile device? | 00:03 |
| dmj726 | imnichol: yeah, a pure remote might be more handy | 00:04 |
| dmj726 | you don't care about having both picture and playback controls duplicated, what you care about is seeing the buttons and the time slider and so forth | 00:04 |
| imnichol | Yeah | 00:04 |
| imnichol | And that way we can avoid pushing a bunch of data over the network | 00:05 |
| dmj726 | same for a TV guide app | 00:05 |
| AlanBell | oh, indeed, TV guide app running locally on a tablet and controlling the TV would be nice | 00:05 |
| dmj726 | would be handy to just keep watching whatever channel, while you switch to the new show. | 00:05 |
| imnichol | Since the tv would end up sending the picture over the network once for each attached device | 00:05 |
| AlanBell | ok, I am off to bed, do have a play with pencil and sketch up some concepts! | 00:06 |
| dmj726 | Actually, Novacut would like to have a client running on the TV, but controlled by another client on the tablet. | 00:06 |
| AlanBell | we should put together a wiki page of concept sketches | 00:06 |
| imnichol | Doesn't tha tpretty much do exactly what I'm saying? | 00:06 |
| dmj726 | perhaps both tweaked to particular uses | 00:06 |
| dmj726 | yeah, but not vnc style | 00:07 |
| imnichol | Yeah, ok | 00:07 |
| imnichol | I got ya. I'm of the opinion that vnc is not the answer | 00:07 |
| dmj726 | more like the TV guide on tablet style | 00:07 |
| imnichol | See ya AlanBell | 00:07 |
| dmj726 | I think having VNC as an option is good for when that's actually desired (basically like plugging in a monitor without a physical wire) | 00:08 |
| imnichol | dmj726: Good point | 00:08 |
| dmj726 | but that shouldn't be the catchall solution | 00:08 |
| dmj726 | since that won't get us great new experiences | 00:08 |
| dmj726 | You know, if you could connect to the TV as a sort of local web server, it might very well be possible to have client GUIs for small apps delivered as websites for a browser or simple client on the tablet's side | 00:17 |
| dmj726 | webkit is actually quite the toolkit these days. | 00:17 |
| imnichol | Yeah, that actually seems like it would be pretty snazzy | 00:20 |
| dmj726 | ...and easy for developers | 00:20 |
| dmj726 | http://imagebin.org/185388 | 00:38 |
| dmj726 | imnichol: ^^ | 00:39 |
| imnichol | What does bfb stand for? | 00:40 |
| imnichol | Oh, big freaking button | 00:40 |
| dmj726 | big fat buttion | 00:40 |
| imnichol | Got it | 00:40 |
| dmj726 | the "ubuntu button" | 00:40 |
| imnichol | So that's like the menu? | 00:41 |
| dmj726 | yeah | 00:41 |
| dmj726 | basically how the dash might look like for tv instead of desktop | 00:41 |
| imnichol | How does it differ from the dash now? | 00:41 |
| dmj726 | look at it in 11.10 | 00:42 |
| imnichol | I am | 00:42 |
| dmj726 | much more remote friendly | 00:42 |
| imnichol | ONly thing I see that's different is that the icons are moved | 00:42 |
| dmj726 | and shows things important on a tv | 00:42 |
| dmj726 | like recommendations for TV shows | 00:43 |
| imnichol | Oh got ya | 00:43 |
| imnichol | It looks pretty sweet | 00:43 |
| imnichol | The nice thing about having web-based guis is that it allows people on non-ubuntu devices to integrate with the ubuntu tv | 01:03 |
| AlanBell | BFB is the "Big Friendly Button" I think | 07:31 |
| dmj726 | hey AlanBell | 07:31 |
| AlanBell | morning | 07:31 |
| dmj726 | http://imagebin.org/185405 | 07:32 |
| AlanBell | nice | 07:38 |
| dmj726 | So I tried to keep in mind navigating with a remote for the layout | 07:41 |
| dmj726 | AlanBell: pencil is pretty cool | 07:47 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it is nice | 07:58 |
| AlanBell | and it is Free software | 07:58 |
| dmj726 | which is good | 07:58 |
| dmj726 | I think the availability of open tools for FOSS development is important | 07:58 |
| AlanBell | I think the #ubuntu-design team is about assembling open tools for design | 07:59 |
| AlanBell | so that the canonical design team give up using illustrator and the like | 07:59 |
| dmj726 | Hmm...I hadn't realized they were developing tools for this, nice | 07:59 |
| AlanBell | so they can collaborate with people | 08:00 |
| dmj726 | Eventually Novacut would like to help with that. | 08:00 |
| dmj726 | Though right now there just aren't enough developer hours to give that much focus at all | 08:00 |
| AlanBell | indeed | 08:01 |
| dmj726 | We have to achieve many other targets before we can devote resources to that. | 08:01 |
| dmj726 | However, we've done a lot of work as separate components that other projects should be able to benefit from | 08:02 |
| dmj726 | For instance, with dmedia, which handles importing media files from cards and other sources and makes keeping backups and replicating data wherever it's needed easy. It's obviously important for a collaborative video editor, but it could be useful for other applications with demanding media storage needs. | 08:04 |
| dmj726 | (My intent isn't to brag here, just saying what we're trying to do and where Novacut's focus has to be) | 08:06 |
| dmj726 | Which is basically providing the best collaborative editing experience we can, and helping artists distribute their films on as wide a player base as possible. | 08:08 |
| dmj726 | anyway, The launcher would work basically the same as on desktop, except with arrow key friendliness, and fullscreen only | 08:09 |
| dmj726 | It might make sense down the line to support split screen as well, but that's a thought for later | 08:10 |
| dmj726 | The idea with "view all" would be sort of a grid view thumbnailing all the open applications. | 08:12 |
| dmj726 | Basically letting you see exactly what's running, see what it's doing, and switch to or end any of them. I suspect this would be a useful feature, when switching between apps. | 08:14 |
| dmj726 | hi willcooke | 08:33 |
| dmj726 | willcooke: http://imagebin.org/185405 | 08:35 |
| dmj726 | plus possible window dashboard view: http://imagebin.org/185417 | 08:35 |
| willcooke | dmj726, morning! Love it!! I'll forward to the design team | 08:54 |
| dmj726 | sweet | 08:54 |
| dmj726 | willcooke: I just pasted those up for being quick and easy | 08:59 |
| dmj726 | ...if you want a permanent reference, just copy and host them somewhere else | 09:00 |
| dmj726 | I need to sleep atm | 09:00 |
| AlanBell | willcooke: do you have all the backscroll from last night? | 09:03 |
| AlanBell | 22:25 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/programlens.png | 09:08 |
| AlanBell | 22:25 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/controlsinpanel.png | 09:08 |
| AlanBell | 22:25 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/progresspanel.png | 09:08 |
| AlanBell | 22:29 < AlanBell> the .ep files that open in pencil are in that folder too | 09:08 |
| willcooke | AlanBell, I'll review the logs | 09:22 |
| willcooke | Love the designs - it looks like unity should work well on the 10ft UI | 09:22 |
| willcooke | I appreciate I'm beginning to sound like a stuck record, but I'm really amazed by how quickly you guys have got moving on this. | 09:25 |
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| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ | 10:31 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/# | 10:33 |
| AlanBell | ok, I am liking pencil now :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly | 17:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | AlanBell; you on? | 22:54 |
| AlanBell | yus | 23:02 |
| AlanBell | wassup MrChrisDruif? | 23:02 |
| MrChrisDruif | Nothing much, you? | 23:03 |
| AlanBell | see my wireframe stuff? | 23:04 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly | 23:04 |
| MrChrisDruif | Now I do =) | 23:04 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles for the pencil source images and unity.zip is a pencil output theme for ubuntu | 23:04 |
| MrChrisDruif | What is that BFB? | 23:04 |
| AlanBell | ubuntu.zip even | 23:05 |
| AlanBell | big friendly button | 23:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ahh, the Dash button (that thing to open up the dash?) | 23:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | ? | 23:05 |
| AlanBell | yes, the big friendly button :) | 23:05 |
| AlanBell | don't pay too much attention to my scribbles | 23:10 |
| AlanBell | the point is that if you use pencil and start with http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/BaseDesignFrame.ep | 23:11 |
| AlanBell | then you can create actual sketches and storyboards for the design concept | 23:11 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ahh, you're back =) | 23:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | I was just planning on calling it a night =) | 23:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | But what does the BFB do? | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | I don't know | 23:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | AlanBell; ^ | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | does what you want it to do, | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | I haven't really given it that much thought, I have been working on a wireframing and storyboarding framework | 23:16 |
| AlanBell | so that other people can do design concepts | 23:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright | 23:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | It's just a placeholder =) | 23:16 |
| AlanBell | yeah, the only reason I did so many pages was to get a scrollbar to happen | 23:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | (I love working on this project) | 23:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha | 23:17 |
| AlanBell | and I wanted to do one with a remote by the side of the TV | 23:17 |
| AlanBell | BaseDesignFrame.ep is a blank template, basically just the first frame of the concept series | 23:18 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yup, a nice flair would have been a "big" Ubuntu button on that remote. But that's just for lolz | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | it gives you an empty telly of the right proportions on which to draw your design | 23:18 |
| AlanBell | slap one on, I hate the orange remote | 23:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | Haha | 23:19 |
| AlanBell | Just wanted the shape to show where people should do remote design | 23:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | You made the screen part 1/4 of the resolution of 1080p I gather from your earlier mockups? | 23:19 |
| AlanBell | yes, the coordinates are at the bottom of the first slide | 23:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | Btw, what about strange resolutions? | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | you can add page description text | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | what strange resolutions? | 23:21 |
| MrChrisDruif | Like the CinemaTV from Philips | 23:21 |
| MrChrisDruif | It's got 2560x1080 if I'm not mistaken | 23:21 |
| MrChrisDruif | 21:9 format that is | 23:22 |
| AlanBell | so it is | 23:22 |
| AlanBell | well that would probably work fine, vertical height is 1080 still | 23:22 |
| AlanBell | high res stuff would just work | 23:22 |
| AlanBell | but I think we have to design for 1920x1080 | 23:23 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yes, but "TV" broadcasts are 16:9 (in full color) while movies are 21:9 (hence the weird format for it, there are two black bars in movies to fill the screen nonetheless) | 23:23 |
| AlanBell | like mercedes design their cars in silver | 23:23 |
| AlanBell | they come out in different colours, but the design models are always silver | 23:24 |
| MrChrisDruif | I meant more of: will we be able to support it and maybe even saide-by-side viewing? | 23:24 |
| AlanBell | dunno | 23:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | Something to think about I think =) | 23:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'd have to use pencil to use those files? | 23:29 |
| AlanBell | yes | 23:29 |
| MrChrisDruif | Did anyone speak with the design team and OEM team already? So we don't do work that has been done already | 23:30 |
| AlanBell | willcooke was going to talk to the design team | 23:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hmm, we didn't assign actions on those items *mental note for next time* | 23:31 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, great and the OEM team? | 23:32 |
| AlanBell | I am talking to them about using pencil for wireframing and storyboarding, this is an example for that | 23:32 |
| AlanBell | dunno if anyone asked the OEM team, I saw Chris Kenyon joined the launchpad group | 23:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | The OEM team was about deciding for what kind of hardware we would be developing this (part of the) system for right? | 23:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, that's it. I'm off =) Talk to ya later AlanBell =) | 23:42 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 23:42 |
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