[00:00] AlanBell: I don't think pure VNC is the best idea actually [00:00] a slightly better protocol perhaps [00:01] In a lot of cases you don't really want to replicate your tablet's screen. [00:01] no, I want to replicate the TV screen on the tablet [00:01] so I can drag the progress bar with my fingers [00:01] so my tablet becomes a touchscreen remote control for the telly [00:01] Well, that might be *one* good tool, but there are other use cases [00:02] actually I do think your suggestion is good [00:02] possibly scale in memory to 480x270 and vnc that [00:03] Somebody might want to watch sports, and have their tablet sync with the game to show additional stats for instance [00:03] What about just replicating the tv controls on your mobile device? [00:04] imnichol: yeah, a pure remote might be more handy [00:04] you don't care about having both picture and playback controls duplicated, what you care about is seeing the buttons and the time slider and so forth [00:04] Yeah [00:05] And that way we can avoid pushing a bunch of data over the network [00:05] same for a TV guide app [00:05] oh, indeed, TV guide app running locally on a tablet and controlling the TV would be nice [00:05] would be handy to just keep watching whatever channel, while you switch to the new show. [00:05] Since the tv would end up sending the picture over the network once for each attached device [00:06] ok, I am off to bed, do have a play with pencil and sketch up some concepts! [00:06] Actually, Novacut would like to have a client running on the TV, but controlled by another client on the tablet. [00:06] we should put together a wiki page of concept sketches [00:06] Doesn't tha tpretty much do exactly what I'm saying? [00:06] perhaps both tweaked to particular uses [00:07] yeah, but not vnc style [00:07] Yeah, ok [00:07] I got ya. I'm of the opinion that vnc is not the answer [00:07] more like the TV guide on tablet style [00:07] See ya AlanBell [00:08] I think having VNC as an option is good for when that's actually desired (basically like plugging in a monitor without a physical wire) [00:08] dmj726: Good point [00:08] but that shouldn't be the catchall solution [00:08] since that won't get us great new experiences [00:17] You know, if you could connect to the TV as a sort of local web server, it might very well be possible to have client GUIs for small apps delivered as websites for a browser or simple client on the tablet's side [00:17] webkit is actually quite the toolkit these days. [00:20] Yeah, that actually seems like it would be pretty snazzy [00:20] ...and easy for developers [00:38] http://imagebin.org/185388 [00:39] imnichol: ^^ [00:40] What does bfb stand for? [00:40] Oh, big freaking button [00:40] big fat buttion [00:40] Got it [00:40] the "ubuntu button" [00:41] So that's like the menu? [00:41] yeah [00:41] basically how the dash might look like for tv instead of desktop [00:41] How does it differ from the dash now? [00:42] look at it in 11.10 [00:42] I am [00:42] much more remote friendly [00:42] ONly thing I see that's different is that the icons are moved [00:42] and shows things important on a tv [00:43] like recommendations for TV shows [00:43] Oh got ya [00:43] It looks pretty sweet [01:03] The nice thing about having web-based guis is that it allows people on non-ubuntu devices to integrate with the ubuntu tv [07:31] BFB is the "Big Friendly Button" I think [07:31] hey AlanBell [07:31] morning [07:32] http://imagebin.org/185405 [07:38] nice [07:41] So I tried to keep in mind navigating with a remote for the layout [07:47] AlanBell: pencil is pretty cool [07:58] yeah, it is nice [07:58] and it is Free software [07:58] which is good [07:58] I think the availability of open tools for FOSS development is important [07:59] I think the #ubuntu-design team is about assembling open tools for design [07:59] so that the canonical design team give up using illustrator and the like [07:59] Hmm...I hadn't realized they were developing tools for this, nice [08:00] so they can collaborate with people [08:00] Eventually Novacut would like to help with that. [08:00] Though right now there just aren't enough developer hours to give that much focus at all [08:01] indeed [08:01] We have to achieve many other targets before we can devote resources to that. [08:02] However, we've done a lot of work as separate components that other projects should be able to benefit from [08:04] For instance, with dmedia, which handles importing media files from cards and other sources and makes keeping backups and replicating data wherever it's needed easy. It's obviously important for a collaborative video editor, but it could be useful for other applications with demanding media storage needs. [08:06] (My intent isn't to brag here, just saying what we're trying to do and where Novacut's focus has to be) [08:08] Which is basically providing the best collaborative editing experience we can, and helping artists distribute their films on as wide a player base as possible. [08:09] anyway, The launcher would work basically the same as on desktop, except with arrow key friendliness, and fullscreen only [08:10] It might make sense down the line to support split screen as well, but that's a thought for later [08:12] The idea with "view all" would be sort of a grid view thumbnailing all the open applications. [08:14] Basically letting you see exactly what's running, see what it's doing, and switch to or end any of them. I suspect this would be a useful feature, when switching between apps. [08:33] hi willcooke [08:35] willcooke: http://imagebin.org/185405 [08:35] plus possible window dashboard view: http://imagebin.org/185417 [08:54] dmj726, morning! Love it!! I'll forward to the design team [08:54] sweet [08:59] willcooke: I just pasted those up for being quick and easy [09:00] ...if you want a permanent reference, just copy and host them somewhere else [09:00] I need to sleep atm [09:03] willcooke: do you have all the backscroll from last night? [09:08] 22:25 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/programlens.png [09:08] 22:25 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/controlsinpanel.png [09:08] 22:25 < AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/progresspanel.png [09:08] 22:29 < AlanBell> the .ep files that open in pencil are in that folder too [09:22] AlanBell, I'll review the logs [09:22] Love the designs - it looks like unity should work well on the 10ft UI [09:25] I appreciate I'm beginning to sound like a stuck record, but I'm really amazed by how quickly you guys have got moving on this. === tsdgeos_ is now known as tsdgeos [10:31] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/ [10:33] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/# [17:29] ok, I am liking pencil now :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly [22:54] AlanBell; you on? [23:02] yus [23:02] wassup MrChrisDruif? [23:03] Nothing much, you? [23:04] see my wireframe stuff? [23:04] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly [23:04] Now I do =) [23:04] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles for the pencil source images and unity.zip is a pencil output theme for ubuntu [23:04] What is that BFB? [23:05] ubuntu.zip even [23:05] big friendly button [23:05] Ahh, the Dash button (that thing to open up the dash?) [23:05] ? [23:05] yes, the big friendly button :) [23:10] don't pay too much attention to my scribbles [23:11] the point is that if you use pencil and start with http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pencilfiles/BaseDesignFrame.ep [23:11] then you can create actual sketches and storyboards for the design concept [23:14] Ahh, you're back =) [23:14] I was just planning on calling it a night =) [23:14] But what does the BFB do? [23:15] I don't know [23:15] AlanBell; ^ [23:15] does what you want it to do, [23:16] I haven't really given it that much thought, I have been working on a wireframing and storyboarding framework [23:16] so that other people can do design concepts [23:16] Alright [23:16] It's just a placeholder =) [23:17] yeah, the only reason I did so many pages was to get a scrollbar to happen [23:17] (I love working on this project) [23:17] Haha [23:17] and I wanted to do one with a remote by the side of the TV [23:18] BaseDesignFrame.ep is a blank template, basically just the first frame of the concept series [23:18] Yup, a nice flair would have been a "big" Ubuntu button on that remote. But that's just for lolz [23:18] it gives you an empty telly of the right proportions on which to draw your design [23:19] slap one on, I hate the orange remote [23:19] Haha [23:19] Just wanted the shape to show where people should do remote design [23:19] You made the screen part 1/4 of the resolution of 1080p I gather from your earlier mockups? [23:20] yes, the coordinates are at the bottom of the first slide [23:20] Btw, what about strange resolutions? [23:20] you can add page description text [23:21] what strange resolutions? [23:21] Like the CinemaTV from Philips [23:21] It's got 2560x1080 if I'm not mistaken [23:22] 21:9 format that is [23:22] so it is [23:22] well that would probably work fine, vertical height is 1080 still [23:22] high res stuff would just work [23:23] but I think we have to design for 1920x1080 [23:23] Yes, but "TV" broadcasts are 16:9 (in full color) while movies are 21:9 (hence the weird format for it, there are two black bars in movies to fill the screen nonetheless) [23:23] like mercedes design their cars in silver [23:24] they come out in different colours, but the design models are always silver [23:24] I meant more of: will we be able to support it and maybe even saide-by-side viewing? [23:25] dunno [23:25] Something to think about I think =) [23:29] I'd have to use pencil to use those files? [23:29] yes [23:30] Did anyone speak with the design team and OEM team already? So we don't do work that has been done already [23:31] willcooke was going to talk to the design team [23:31] Hmm, we didn't assign actions on those items *mental note for next time* [23:32] Alright, great and the OEM team? [23:32] I am talking to them about using pencil for wireframing and storyboarding, this is an example for that [23:33] dunno if anyone asked the OEM team, I saw Chris Kenyon joined the launchpad group [23:36] The OEM team was about deciding for what kind of hardware we would be developing this (part of the) system for right? [23:42] Alright, that's it. I'm off =) Talk to ya later AlanBell =) [23:42] o/