[00:29] i'm highly dissapointed of the new kubuntu [00:29] there are so many bugs [00:30] most irksome right now is that everything gtk is black and unusable [00:30] anybody have a fix for that? [00:31] amstan, tried a different theme? what exact bug are you talking about bug link please [00:33] even ksnapshot has this issue, that's weird [00:33] got a bug link? [00:34] i didn't submit a bug, i can barely use my computer [00:35] bazhang: http://i.imgur.com/gXipb.png [00:36] amstan, and what about with the other themes? or only that one [00:36] bazhang: seems to be the same [00:37] i'll try restarting the DE === OffToHades is now known as BarkingFish [00:40] well.. now it's fine, but plasma-desktop has a nasty bug where it stays on top of all my windows [00:40] i have to kill it to use it [00:42] this is fustrating, i'm just going to delete all my kde configs and start over [01:06] guten morgen @ all [01:07] hab mal ne frage........ [01:49] fix for the blackscreen at kbuntu installation. edit grub with 'e' then add nomodeset after the kernel prompt, then boot with ctrl-x the configuration [02:11] Anyone here knows how to get OpenGL Desktop Effects working on 11.10 release of Kubuntu using NVidia display drivers? [02:11] The previous release worked fine! [02:17] 250+ ppl online and not a single person to answer! Some comunity this is! === net is now known as Auvajs [02:21] can you help me? how to set up krusader to automatically open mp3 files in audacious? [02:21] hi anyway [02:25] I need help with kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu 11.10 installation [02:26] After some time working in the KDE environment, the windows on the screen stop updating correctly. === drewisgonefornow is now known as drewis [02:27] What I mean is, changes in the display image on the window don't show up until the program is minimized and reopened [02:27] which is completely unusable, and it is like this for all applications [02:28] anybody know what's wrong? is it a driver issue? I was using the nvidia accelerated version 173 [02:28] I'm installing the 173-updates version now [02:29] anybody know what the problem is? [02:29] Unity works fine, it's just KDE [02:29] hello? [02:30] is anybody there? I really need help [02:30] Hmm, good luck to you, I am a TOTAL newbie, so I cannot offer real help, but I am here because I have display problems with Ubuntu 11.10 (never before), and Kubuntu 11.10 seems much better. [02:30] I sometimes get good responses at Launchpad. [02:30] what kind of display issues? [02:31] The screen dims with inactivity and does not return to brightness. [02:31] hmm, maybe it's your graphics driver? [02:32] well, I'm gonna restart since I just installed a new graphics driver [02:32] let's see if this one works any better [02:34] Good luck to you. I think my root cause might be here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661656 Like I said of no help to you. [02:34] Gnome bug 661656 in power "after screen dims (idle / screensaver), cannot rebrighten it" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === gfrog is now known as gfrog_ [03:05] I just installed kubuntu yesterday, and I am copying all my backed up data (from old computer) and I see I can pause the copy job, however, I need to restart, will I be able to resume it if I restart? [03:06] * szal doesn't think so [03:06] darn.... I suppose I can just copy it all again and just not overwrite everything that is already copied [03:09] szal, thanks, gonna go try it === naught102 is now known as naught101 [05:05] 1 [05:05] 2 [05:05] 3 [05:05] 4 [05:05] 5 [05:05] 6 [05:05] 6 [05:07] Ok I got kde 4.6.5 with the the lts version of ubuntu upgrade [05:49] is kde3 still availeble for buntu 11.10 ? i really hate kde4. and gnome is even worse. [05:50] nuxil, there is a PPA iirc [05:51] PPA ? [05:52] nuxil: look up trinity [05:52] nuxil: http://trinitydesktop.org/installation.php [05:52] its a fork of kde 3.0 [05:53] ok [05:53] that said newest kde is pretty sweet [05:53] finaly on a par with the 3.x series [05:54] kde4 it waay too pimped imo. i dont like it at all. [05:55] I turn off most of the eyecandy [05:55] nuxil: truth be told I am talking to ya through a urxvt virtual terminal running gnu screen and irssi [05:55] ^^ [05:56] heh I am happy with wmaker [05:56] love how it handles icons [05:57] love automagic till I got to fix it [05:57] * Bsims started with linux when xfree was still around [05:58] it did what I wanted it to, because it didn't even try to guess at it [05:58] * Bsims sighs get off my lawn [05:58] * Bsims mutters up hill bothways in the snow [07:26] hi there ? [07:26] i have install kubuntu-full on top of ubuntu basic instalation but i don't have bootsplash [07:27] what is the bootsplash software to kubuntu ? [07:28] i think you mean kdm [07:29] no that is ok [07:30] is the grafic boot i whant to cover all the leters when it boot s [08:22] I found thank you [09:29] orp: Plymoth? [10:22] ... === bastiaan_ is now known as bas [10:46] hi === Cassio is now known as Guest3196 [11:13] Bonjour, désolé de déranger mais comment fait on pour changer de serveur IRC avec Quassel IRC s'il vous plait ? Je débute et je galère pas mal [11:14] Bonjour, désolé de déranger mais comment fait on pour changer de serveur IRC avec Quassel IRC s'il vous plait ? Je débute et je galère pas mal === jtheuer_ is now known as jtheuer === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Alppo is now known as MohammadAleppo3 === AleppoMohammad is now known as MohammadAleppo2 === MohammadAleppo3 is now known as MohammadAleppo1 === MohammadAleppo1 is now known as MohammadAleppo3 === MohammadAleppo3 is now known as MohammadAleppo1 === MohammadAleppo1 is now known as MohammadAleppo3 === MohammadAleppo3 is now known as MohammadAleppo1 [13:43] Hi [13:45] I have created a bug on Kubuntu-website ,about it being not updated. you might help in bringing it to notice . here https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/893997 [13:45] Launchpad bug 893997 in Kubuntu Website "The Kubuntu sites is archaic(both in content and design), an updation is must. " [Undecided,New] [14:23] Hey folks === chep04 is now known as themike101 === chep04 is now known as themike101 === themike101 is now known as thebookworm === thebookworm is now known as thebookworm101 === EvilResistance is now known as Resistance [15:18] Hi all. it is possible to try kde 4.8 in kubuntu 11.10? [15:19] h31, is there a ppa ? [15:20] BluesKaj: I found only 4.7 in kubuntu-ppa. [15:22] is there any documentation that 4.8 is available, because I haven't seen any ? [15:23] I'm on 12.04 and the default is still 4.7.3 [15:27] BluesKaj: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.8-beta1.php === ezra is now known as Guest95513 === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [15:53] KDM login problem. I have network authentication with LDAP, but I can't connect with the local user (user name: localuser), which is not remotetly authenticated or home-mounted. [15:56] pastebin of kdm's log: http://pastebin.com/zfzQ0Ddz [15:57] oddly enough, the same error shows when I login (successfully) with the remotly authenticated user. [16:07] can anyone help [16:07] ? [16:10] hi [16:11] hi === peace is now known as Peace- [16:12] LuizAngioletti, are you saying the login page isn't opening so you're logging in via the tty prompt ? [16:13] BluesKaj: No. The login screen shows up, I try to login, it shows a blank and turns back to the kdm login screen [16:14] sometimes even hanging the machine. [16:14] LuizAngioletti: kde version ? [16:14] BluesKaj: :P [16:15] hey Peace- [16:15] Even if I'm using the KDM only to login in GNOME? [16:15] (we have both here...) [16:15] LuizAngioletti, are you getting a dbus error ? [16:15] that's what in the pastebin [16:15] LuizAngioletti: pastebin link? [16:15] pastebin of kdm's log: http://pastebin.com/zfzQ0Ddz [16:17] ibus error ...forgot what i did to fix it [16:18] LuizAngioletti: nvidia? [16:18] lspci says Intel compatible [16:19] peace: lspci says Intel compatible [16:19] sorry [16:19] Peace-: lspci says Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 [16:19] mm [16:20] r u thinking it might be driver related? [16:20] no [16:20] it's a bug [16:20] If so... then why the remote logged users can use the PC as nothing would be wrong? [16:20] Peace-: known bug? [16:21] yes [16:21] i guess there is a solution [16:21] but i magooglin right now [16:21] do you have some resource I can check? [16:22] LuizAngioletti: Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address. [16:22] google this [16:22] ok [16:23] LuizAngioletti, there seems to be a solution with installing kdebase-workspace-bin on one of the forums here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1462745.html [16:26] LuizAngioletti: mmm you have ppa? [16:26] what is that? [16:26] Peace-: What is that? [16:27] what kind of kde you have? [16:27] kde 4.7 ? [16:27] 4.7.3 ? [16:28] How do I find out? [16:28] run a kde software [16:28] go on help menu [16:28] version [16:29] KDE 4.4.5 [16:29] mm quite old [16:29] Ubuntu 10.4.3 LTS [16:29] ah [16:29] Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS [16:30] actually, Kubuntu. =) [16:31] LuizAngioletti: btw you login via kdm and then you get back to kdm? [16:31] right? [16:32] right [16:32] Hi [16:32] LuizAngioletti: when you have choose another desktop enviroment ? [16:32] choosen [16:32] i have problems to setup wireless connection, any one can help?? [16:32] reservado: ask don't ask to ask [16:33] Peace-: If I startx at the CLI, I get a working session with the default (last used) Window Manager, which in this case is GNOME [16:33] Then ... i just installed kubuntu 11.10 in a laptop, but can not connect to wireless [16:34] reservado: open a konsole [16:34] reservado: type : iwconfig [16:34] Peace-: (for that localuser, of course) [16:34] !paste | reservado [16:34] reservado: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:34] filled all fields on applet and on interfaces file, but can not connect [16:35] LuizAngioletti: so basically it doesn't work only for kde? [16:36] Peace-: no. It doesn't work for any WM... Remember that if I start it via startx from the CLI, the system doesn't need authentication... so I don't go through KDM [16:36] (or I think so... =) [16:36] LuizAngioletti: using gdm ? the problem is ther? [16:37] Peace-: i'd have to check. Just a sec [16:38] LuizAngioletti, did you try installing kdebase-workspace-bin? [16:39] BluesKaj: checking the packages... [16:39] BluesKaj: installed. [16:39] LuizAngioletti: please check with gdm [16:39] Peace-: I'm trying to startx at another tty with the command: "startx -- :1" so I can try to log in with GDM [16:40] so i can understand if it's a problem of your distro or only of kde installation [16:40] But when I log out, the session closes. [16:40] is there a way to make it more "permanent"? So I can use the same startx session to re-login? [16:40] do a normal login please [16:40] Peace-: ok, then I'll be right back. =) [16:41] ok pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/749434/ [16:42] reservado: ok do the same with this command line [16:42] reservado: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan [16:42] ok [16:45] 11 cells (want every data or just mine)? [16:47] Peace-: Ok. Here's what I did: [16:47] reservado: all [16:47] Peace-: I changed the "default-display-manager" to gdm. Logged in as some remote user, it went OK, logged in with the localuser, it also went OK. [16:48] LuizAngioletti: so it's a problem of kde installation [16:48] Peace-: changed back to kdm. Logged with the localuser... same problem. Logged with the remote user (the one I'm logged in as now), OK [16:48] Peace-: What do you suggest? [16:49] you could reinstall all kde software [16:49] via apt-get? [16:49] but i don't thing it will help [16:49] Peace-: is there a meta-package? [16:49] LuizAngioletti: before with kde it worked normally ? [16:49] yes. [16:49] ok [16:49] sudo adduser kdetest [16:49] Peace-: it worked normally until i rigged the system for remote LDAP login [16:50] sudo adduser kdetest admin [16:50] sudo adduser kdetest audio [16:50] sudo adduser kdetest video [16:50] Peace-: is all that for me? [16:50] LuizAngioletti, if you installed kde packages on the gnome repos , you also need to install kubuntu-desktop [16:51] BluesKaj: thx. =) [16:51] BluesKaj: do you think it will help? [16:51] LuizAngioletti: yes [16:52] LuizAngioletti: you need to create a new user for testing [16:52] then you add that user to every normal grups [16:52] ok [16:52] Peace-: done. =) [16:52] LuizAngioletti: for groups in adm disk dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape audio video plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare ; do sudo adduser kdetest $groups ; done [16:52] this should add your new user to every groups [16:53] LuizAngioletti, it should tie all your kde packages to the kubuntu desktop environment [16:53] if you have done ... [16:53] you should exit and test using the newuser if you have your prolbem or not [16:53] Peace [16:53] Peace-: I'll do that. =) [16:54] brb [16:55] BBL, stuff to do [16:56] Peace-: apparently it is an user problem... [16:56] Peace-: I logged in OK with the newly created local user (kdetest) [16:57] Peace-: should I remove some ."config" folder from the localuser user? [16:57] =P [17:00] LuizAngioletti: mv $HOME/.kde $HOME/.kdeold [17:00] that one was the first one I removed. =P [17:01] after the problem show'd up [17:01] LuizAngioletti: wait [17:01] Peace-: =P [17:01] Peace-: ok. [17:01] Peace-: I thought about .cache... [17:02] Peace-: but I'd have log out for testing. [17:02] Peace-: so.. I'm waiting. =P [17:02] LuizAngioletti: try to rename .dbus [17:02] in your home [17:02] ok [17:02] Peace-: brb [17:06] look at http://imagebin.org/185610 - http://imagebin.org/185611 - http://imagebin.org/185612 - http://imagebin.org/185613 - http://imagebin.org/185614 - http://imagebin.org/185615 [17:07] reservado: ahahahaha you have done pictures hahahaha [17:07] omg man [17:08] sure try to write but i'm tired right now [17:08] reservado, it's mostly unreadable [17:08] reservado: you don't need to write [17:08] reservado: btw ... you card works! [17:08] yeah [17:09] reservado: kde version ? [17:09] Peace-: no effect. [17:09] Peace-: I'll keep trying to rename related folders and see what I get. [17:09] LuizAngioletti: ok one of them it's the issue [17:10] LuizAngioletti: it could be even be a hidden "file" on your home [17:10] LuizAngioletti: i would create a new user ... [17:10] and stop [17:11] KDE 4.7.1 [17:11] reservado: sudo apt-get install wicd-kde [17:11] reservado: btw look before this http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119 [17:11] Peace-: The user is standard issue at the computer place. =) I'd be disrespecting the agreement. I'll work around. =) [17:11] Peace-: thx for the help, at least we narrowed the problem down. [17:12] yw [17:12] can not find wicd-kde [17:13] reservado: lsb_release -a [17:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/749473/ [17:15] reservado: wicd-kde is present on oneric [17:15] so is not possible you can't install [17:16] will look at conf wait [17:17] Peace-: What's the file .dmrc for? (He was the sucker... =P) [17:18] Peace-: I accidentally disconnected.. [17:19] Peace-: If you answered, could you repeat? [17:19] reservado, look for wicd in your package manager , it should be there [17:20] Another issue: I log in with via WM (regardless of which, GNOME/KDE...). Sometimes (mostly the first time I do it after bootup) I switch to the VT and my session on the VM closes automatically. Do any of you have an idea about why that happens? [17:20] reservado: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/25/plasma-desktopyY1384.png [17:21] LuizAngioletti: o wtf what are vt vm [17:21] Peace-: Virtual Terminal (CTRL+ALT+Fn), and VM was a mispell. =P I meant WM [17:22] Have to go. I'm late for a meeting. F*K! [17:22] Thx guys for the help, I'll be back sometime tomorrow. [17:22] LuizAngioletti: looks like you have badly installed your distro [17:22] have a nice weekend. [17:23] Peace-: have to go, thx though; [17:29] Peace-, these switchovers from gnome to kde aren't clean and simple , the kde factoid in the #ubuntu chat doesn't include kubuntu-desktop , which i think is a serious oversight [17:31] ahh, they fixed the factoid , it does include kubuntu-desktop [17:31] BluesKaj: mmh? [17:32] factoid? [17:32] * Peace- is a little guy :P [17:32] Hi people!!I need help!!I want a pop up(or something like this) notification for quassel every time someone say something!how should I do? [17:33] !factoid [17:33] Hi! I'm #kubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [17:34] BluesKaj: :) [17:34] toumbo: i use konversation and i guess it can do that [17:34] toumbo: maybe it coudl be done even on quassel [17:35] Peace If for example you say my name,only then I see the pop up [17:35] I want to know If I can do this every time someone speaks [17:36] posts a comment here [17:36] mm i guess yes [17:36] you must check the configuration of your irc client [18:15] with what player can I listen music inside chrome? [18:15] http://live24.gr/radio/bestradio [18:31] toumbo, you should hear it if you have your audio setup for music on your pc and if you have libflashplayer.so installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [18:31] chrome looks for the flash plugin in that file [18:33] Even in KDE 4.7.2 with Ksysguard (System monitor) is still not able to log the data to file - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223094 [18:33] KDE bug 223094 in general "sensor log does not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [18:33] Can anyone guide me to fix it? [18:35] toumbo, type this in the chrome addressbar to make sure you have the the right plugins enabled, chrome://plugins/ [18:36] orated, have you checked launchpad? [18:36] no [18:38] BluesKaj no,I dont have plugins used to have in ubuntu [18:38] orated, usually for bugs like that launchpad might have a fix [18:39] BluesKaj: There are only three bugs related to sensors but none related to logging as far as I can see here. BTW I found this - http://lists-archives.org/kde/13436-sensorlogger-in-ksysguard-now-is-writing-on-disk-file.html - but not completely sure how to use what he did [18:41] toumbo, install kubuntu-restricted-extras [18:41] :O I forgot to think that package [18:43] orated, is this bug causing a problem or are you just concerned that it's an error? === Guest73974 is now known as BarkingFish [18:49] Hi all. I have an 11.04 system I want to upgrade to 11.10. I told it to stop bugging me about upgrading a few weeks ago, though. How do I now tell it to go ahead and upgrade? I don't see an option for it in KPackageKit. [18:53] Crell: the best option now is to do this in a terminal. Press CTRL+ALT+F1, login to the terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [18:53] that should o it for you [18:53] Crell: the best option now is to do this in a terminal. Press CTRL+ALT+F1, login to the terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [18:53] that should do it for you [18:53] The GUI option doesn't come back Blargh. [18:54] Is doing it from a separate vterm necessary, or can I do it from a GUI terminal? [18:54] i tried to do it from konsole, and it didn't work so well. I found it better to do from the vterm, but you're welcome to try from konsole :) [18:55] I've had enough bumpy upgrades in the past. I'll do it the safe way if I can. :-) [18:55] it's not possible to upgrade through kpackagekit anyhow, there were numerous bugs filed over it [18:55] Oh. Good thing I waited, then. [18:56] OK, off to break stuff. Thanks. [18:56] kpackagekit disappears in 11.10 [18:56] Crell, just open a konsole /terminal and type , sudo do-release-upgrade , however if you have any ppas in /etc/apt/sources.list.d remove them as root [18:56] I don't believe I have any PPAs. [18:56] it's replaces with a program called apper, Crell - same prog, slightly different layout [18:56] *replaced [18:56] BluesKaj: What's the difference between that and aptitude dist-upgrade? [18:57] BarkingFish: Ah, Linux... [18:57] Crell, none really as long as your version of aptitude is up to date [18:57] OK, cool. [18:57] Thanks folks. [18:58] reservado, don't dist-upgrade works as an OS upgrade anymore anyway [18:58] BluesKaj: Its a bug. Its causing problem. I'm concerned why its causing error [18:58] i'll be back in a moment, kdm is being silly :) [18:59] oops reservado sorry wrong guy ...KB is acting up again [19:00] too late for Crell's correction ...but he'll probly be back with "doesn't work" [19:01] BBL, stuff to do [19:02] wicd-kde is on universe repo, so i can not install it from cd === skreech__ is now known as Daskreech === techmik is now known as techmik|away [19:09] I'm back. [19:09] OK, so trying to run dist-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade, Apt tells me that there's nothing to upgrade. Yet I am quite sure I'm on 11.04, not 11.10. [19:10] Is there something else I have to do first? [19:10] Crell, lsb_release -a [19:10] 11.04 natty [19:11] Crell: Make sure /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades contains Prompt=normal and not something like Prompt=lts or Prompt=never [19:11] always do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade first then, do-release-upgrade [19:12] It's prompt normal. [19:13] BluesKaj: Yep, did that. No change. [19:13] Crell: Do you have some packages pinned? [19:13] I don't believe so. [19:14] This is a fairly mundane 11.04 install from around September. [19:14] I've not done anything fancy with it. [19:14] Crell: Is there a file ( not directory ) of /etc/apt/preferences ..? If so then pastebin contents [19:15] It doesn't help that my connection seems unstable today, either... [19:16] ( if some package is being held at a certain version it will prevent dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade ) [19:17] Should I just update my sources.list file to say oneric instead of natty and then let it roll? Or would that break stuff? [19:17] Breakage will follow if you do that [19:17] Lovely. [19:17] How do I check for pinned apps? [19:17] Crell read the release notes for 11.10, there are some gotcha's outlined [19:18] for upgrades that is [19:18] Crell: I think i just went into this. If you have pinned apps, it's the /etc/apt/preferences file which says in it what app and so on [19:18] genii-around: My connection crapped out, so I may not have seen it. [19:18] genii-around: /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty. [19:18] Ah, I see now you did disconnect/reconnect [19:19] Crell: /etc/apt/preferences FILE. So if it doesn't exist yet, you don't have any pinned packages. [19:19] OK, I guess I have nothing pinned then. [19:20] Did you reboot yet since you ran the do-release-upgrade ? [19:20] No. [19:21] If you ran dist-upgrade and it put a new kernel, do-release-upgrade will not run yet until you boot into the new kernel first [19:21] dist-upgrade didn't say I had any new packages at all. Certainly not a new kernel. [19:21] I can try rebooting anyway, though. [19:23] * Crell goes to go all Windows on his computer... [19:27] Aaaand rebootdidn't fix it. [19:27] Crell, try sudo do-release-upgrade -d [19:28] BluesKaj: That would try to put him at the dev release of 12.04 [19:29] * Crell does not want that. :-) [19:29] so... what would be a good music player? [19:29] Although when I run that, it does a complete re-update of natty sources, and now is doing an update of oneric sources. [19:29] * Crell hopes it doesn't try to update anything else. [19:30] not if he didn't get a full upgrade in the first place on 11.04 ...that's what I'm thinking [19:30] Crell: So lets recap. The process is normally like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Then it by then usually has your current version as up to date as it will be. then: sudo do-release-upgrade will normally work to push your current distribution to the next one in line. [19:30] it won't , your install was never complete [19:31] BluesKaj: Can you suggest something based on http://lists-archives.org/kde/13436-sensorlogger-in-ksysguard-now-is-writing-on-disk-file.html ? [19:32] orated, pls explain what you can't do instead of listing errors [19:33] OK, so when I ran do-release-upgrade -d, it rescanned lots of natty sources, then oneric, and now is asking me if I want to upgrade after all. [19:33] BluesKaj: As I said. Its not logging... Same thing what the bug id said and even the link above ^ === rdponticelli_ is now known as rdponticelli [19:33] Crell: Do you have some non-standard repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, or some PPAs listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory which are for natty only or something? [19:34] The only one I can think of would have been chrome. It said it disabled a repo. [19:34] s/chrome/google chrome/ [19:34] I think that was put in there by a package anyway, not by me. [19:35] Crell, right your first install wasn't a complete natty install , now you can do-release-upgrade if you haven't already [19:35] How could it not have been? [19:35] It was a fresh natty install from CD. [19:36] Crell, you still have to run udates and upgrades after the cd install , to catch the new upgrades to the existing packages [19:37] I've been doing that weekly for months. [19:37] * Crell has been using Debian/Ubuntu since 2003 or so. [19:37] ok, then that's weird [19:37] Quite. :-) [19:38] maybe a 10.10 repos was holding things back [19:38] Well, it seems like it should be safe to just continue with the update that do-release-update -d wants to do, right? [19:38] Shouldn't have been a 10.10. Natty was a fresh install. [19:38] including /home [19:38] ? [19:39] Yes. [19:39] It was running SuSE before that. I decided to wipe and start over. [19:41] So shall I continue, or is there something else I should check first for safety? [19:41]