[00:29] <amstan> i'm highly dissapointed of the new kubuntu
[00:29] <amstan> there are so many bugs
[00:30] <amstan> most irksome right now is that everything gtk is black and unusable
[00:30] <amstan> anybody have a fix for that?
[00:31] <bazhang> amstan, tried a different theme? what exact bug are you talking about bug link please
[00:33] <amstan> even ksnapshot has this issue, that's weird
[00:33] <bazhang> got a bug link?
[00:34] <amstan> i didn't submit a bug, i can barely use my computer
[00:35] <amstan> bazhang: http://i.imgur.com/gXipb.png
[00:36] <bazhang> amstan, and what about with the other themes? or only that one
[00:36] <amstan> bazhang: seems to be the same
[00:37] <amstan> i'll try restarting the DE
[00:40] <amstan> well.. now it's fine, but plasma-desktop has a nasty bug where it stays on top of all my windows
[00:40] <amstan> i have to kill it to use it
[00:42] <amstan> this is fustrating, i'm just going to delete all my kde configs and start over
[01:06] <ro0tcra5h> guten morgen @ all
[01:07] <ro0tcra5h> hab mal ne frage........
[01:49] <oli_> fix for the blackscreen at kbuntu installation. edit grub with 'e' then add nomodeset after the kernel prompt, then boot with ctrl-x the configuration
[02:11] <johnt> Anyone here knows how to get OpenGL Desktop Effects working on 11.10 release of Kubuntu using NVidia display drivers?
[02:11] <johnt> The previous release worked fine!
[02:17] <johnt> 250+ ppl online and not a single person to answer! Some comunity this is!
[02:21] <Auvajs> can you help me? how to set up krusader to automatically open mp3 files in audacious?
[02:21] <Auvajs> hi anyway
[02:25] <WinCamXP> I need help with kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu 11.10 installation
[02:26] <WinCamXP> After some time working in the KDE environment, the windows on the screen stop updating correctly.
[02:27] <WinCamXP> What I mean is, changes in the display image on the window don't show up until the program is minimized and reopened
[02:27] <WinCamXP> which is completely unusable, and it is like this for all applications
[02:28] <WinCamXP> anybody know what's wrong? is it a driver issue? I was using the nvidia accelerated version 173
[02:28] <WinCamXP> I'm installing the 173-updates version now
[02:29] <WinCamXP> anybody know what the problem is?
[02:29] <WinCamXP> Unity works fine, it's just KDE
[02:29] <WinCamXP> hello?
[02:30] <WinCamXP> is anybody there? I really need help
[02:30] <ubuntu> Hmm, good luck to you, I am a TOTAL newbie, so I cannot offer real help, but I am here because I have display problems with Ubuntu 11.10 (never before), and Kubuntu 11.10 seems much better.
[02:30] <ubuntu> I sometimes get good responses at Launchpad.
[02:30] <WinCamXP> what kind of display issues?
[02:31] <ubuntu> The screen dims with inactivity and does not return to brightness.
[02:31] <WinCamXP> hmm, maybe it's your graphics driver?
[02:32] <WinCamXP> well, I'm gonna restart since I just installed a new graphics driver
[02:32] <WinCamXP> let's see if this one works any better
[02:34] <ubuntu> Good luck to you. I think my root cause might be here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661656 Like I said of no help to you.
[03:05] <renosis> I just installed kubuntu yesterday, and I am copying all my backed up data (from old computer) and I see I can pause the copy job, however, I need to restart, will I be able to resume it if I restart?
[03:06]  * szal doesn't think so
[03:06] <renosis> darn.... I suppose I can just copy it all again and just not overwrite everything that is already copied
[03:09] <renosis> szal, thanks, gonna go try it
[05:05] <wxf> 1
[05:05] <wxf> 2
[05:05] <wxf> 3
[05:05] <wxf> 4
[05:05] <wxf> 5
[05:05] <wxf> 6
[05:05] <wxf> 6
[05:07] <Bsims> Ok I got kde 4.6.5 with the the lts version of ubuntu upgrade
[05:49] <nuxil> is kde3 still availeble for buntu 11.10 ? i really hate kde4. and gnome is even worse.
[05:50] <bazhang> nuxil, there is a PPA iirc
[05:51] <nuxil> PPA ?
[05:52] <Bsims> nuxil: look up trinity
[05:52] <cortex_sk> nuxil: http://trinitydesktop.org/installation.php
[05:52] <Bsims> its a fork of kde 3.0
[05:53] <nuxil> ok
[05:53] <Bsims> that said newest kde is pretty sweet
[05:53] <Bsims> finaly on a par with the 3.x series
[05:54] <nuxil> kde4 it waay too pimped imo. i dont like it at all.
[05:55] <Bsims> I turn off most of the eyecandy
[05:55] <Bsims> nuxil: truth be told I am talking to ya through a urxvt virtual terminal running gnu screen and irssi
[05:55] <nuxil> ^^
[05:56] <Bsims> heh I am happy with wmaker
[05:56] <Bsims> love how it handles icons
[05:57] <Bsims> love automagic till I got to fix it
[05:57]  * Bsims started with linux when xfree was still around
[05:58] <Bsims> it did what I wanted it to, because it didn't even try to guess at it
[05:58]  * Bsims sighs get off my lawn
[05:58]  * Bsims mutters up hill bothways in the snow
[07:26] <orp> hi there ?
[07:26] <orp> i have install kubuntu-full on top of ubuntu basic instalation but i don't have bootsplash
[07:27] <orp> what is the bootsplash software to kubuntu ?
[07:28] <phiscribe> i think you mean kdm
[07:29] <orp> no that is ok
[07:30] <orp> is the grafic boot i whant to cover all the leters when it boot s
[08:22] <orp> I found thank you
[09:29] <Daskreech> orp: Plymoth?
[10:22] <bastiaan_> ...
[10:46] <googol> hi
[11:13] <john___> Bonjour, désolé de déranger mais comment fait on pour changer de serveur IRC avec Quassel IRC s'il vous plait ? Je débute et je galère pas mal
[11:14] <john___> Bonjour, désolé de déranger mais comment fait on pour changer de serveur IRC avec Quassel IRC s'il vous plait ? Je débute et je galère pas mal
[13:43] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[13:45] <kamilnadeem> I have created a bug on Kubuntu-website ,about it being not updated. you might help in bringing it to notice . here https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/893997
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:18] <h31> Hi all. it is possible to try kde 4.8 in kubuntu 11.10?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> h31,  is there a ppa ?
[15:20] <h31> BluesKaj: I found only 4.7 in kubuntu-ppa.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> is there any documentation that 4.8 is available, because I haven't seen any ?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> I'm on 12.04 and the default is still 4.7.3
[15:27] <h31> BluesKaj: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.8-beta1.php
[15:53] <LuizAngioletti> KDM login problem. I have network authentication with LDAP, but I can't connect with the local user (user name: localuser), which is not remotetly authenticated or home-mounted.
[15:56] <LuizAngioletti> pastebin of kdm's log: http://pastebin.com/zfzQ0Ddz
[15:57] <LuizAngioletti> oddly enough, the same error shows when I login (successfully) with the remotly authenticated user.
[16:07] <LuizAngioletti>  can anyone help
[16:07] <LuizAngioletti> ?
[16:10] <yagami> hi
[16:11] <peace> hi
[16:12] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, are you saying the login page isn't opening so you're logging in via the tty prompt ?
[16:13] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: No. The login screen shows up, I try to login, it shows a blank and turns back to the kdm login screen
[16:14] <LuizAngioletti> sometimes even hanging the machine.
[16:14] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: kde version ?
[16:14] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> Even if I'm using the KDM only to login in GNOME?
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> (we have both here...)
[16:15] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, are you getting a dbus error ?
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> that's what in the pastebin
[16:15] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: pastebin link?
[16:15] <LuizAngioletti> pastebin of kdm's log: http://pastebin.com/zfzQ0Ddz
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ibus error ...forgot what i did to fix it
[16:18] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: nvidia?
[16:18] <LuizAngioletti> lspci says Intel compatible
[16:19] <LuizAngioletti> peace: lspci says Intel compatible
[16:19] <LuizAngioletti> sorry
[16:19] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: lspci says Intel Corporation 82G33/G31
[16:19] <Peace-> mm
[16:20] <LuizAngioletti> r u thinking it might be driver related?
[16:20] <Peace-> no
[16:20] <Peace-> it's a bug
[16:20] <LuizAngioletti> If so... then why the remote logged users can use the PC as nothing would be wrong?
[16:20] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: known bug?
[16:21] <Peace-> yes
[16:21] <Peace-> i guess there is a solution
[16:21] <Peace-> but i magooglin right now
[16:21] <LuizAngioletti> do you have some resource I can check?
[16:22] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[16:22] <Peace-> google this
[16:22] <LuizAngioletti> ok
[16:23] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, there seems to be a solution with installing kdebase-workspace-bin on one of the forums here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1462745.html
[16:26] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: mmm you have ppa?
[16:26] <LuizAngioletti> what is that?
[16:26] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: What is that?
[16:27] <Peace-> what kind of kde you have?
[16:27] <Peace-> kde 4.7 ?
[16:27] <Peace-> 4.7.3 ?
[16:28] <LuizAngioletti> How do I find out?
[16:28] <Peace-> run a kde software
[16:28] <Peace-> go on help menu
[16:28] <Peace-> version
[16:29] <LuizAngioletti> KDE 4.4.5
[16:29] <Peace-> mm quite old
[16:29] <LuizAngioletti> Ubuntu 10.4.3 LTS
[16:29] <Peace-> ah
[16:29] <LuizAngioletti> Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[16:30] <LuizAngioletti> actually, Kubuntu. =)
[16:31] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: btw you login via kdm and then you get back to kdm?
[16:31] <Peace-> right?
[16:32] <LuizAngioletti> right
[16:32] <reservado> Hi
[16:32] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: when you have choose another desktop enviroment ?
[16:32] <Peace-> choosen
[16:32] <reservado> i have problems to setup wireless connection, any one can help??
[16:32] <Peace-> reservado: ask don't ask to ask
[16:33] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: If I startx at the CLI, I get a working session with the default (last used) Window Manager, which in this case is GNOME
[16:33] <reservado> Then ... i just installed kubuntu 11.10 in a laptop, but can not connect to wireless
[16:34] <Peace-> reservado: open a konsole
[16:34] <Peace-> reservado: type : iwconfig
[16:34] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: (for that localuser, of course)
[16:34] <Peace-> !paste | reservado
[16:34] <reservado> filled all fields on applet and on interfaces file, but can not connect
[16:35] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: so basically it doesn't work only for kde?
[16:36] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: no. It doesn't work for any WM... Remember that if I start it via startx from the CLI, the system doesn't need authentication... so I don't go through KDM
[16:36] <LuizAngioletti> (or I think so... =)
[16:36] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: using gdm ? the problem is ther?
[16:37] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: i'd have to check. Just a sec
[16:38] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, did you try installing kdebase-workspace-bin?
[16:39] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: checking the packages...
[16:39] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: installed.
[16:39] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: please check with gdm
[16:39] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I'm trying to startx at another tty with the command: "startx -- :1" so I can try to log in with GDM
[16:40] <Peace-> so i can understand if it's a problem of your distro or only of kde installation
[16:40] <LuizAngioletti> But when I log out, the session closes.
[16:40] <LuizAngioletti> is there a way to make it more "permanent"? So I can use the same startx session to re-login?
[16:40] <Peace-> do a normal login please
[16:40] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: ok, then I'll be right back. =)
[16:41] <reservado> ok pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/749434/
[16:42] <Peace-> reservado: ok do the same with this command line
[16:42] <Peace-> reservado: sudo iwlist wlan0  scan
[16:42] <reservado> ok
[16:45] <reservado> 11 cells (want every data or just mine)?
[16:47] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: Ok. Here's what I did:
[16:47] <Peace-> reservado: all
[16:47] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I changed the "default-display-manager" to gdm. Logged in as some remote user, it went OK, logged in with the localuser, it also went OK.
[16:48] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: so it's a problem of kde installation
[16:48] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: changed back to kdm. Logged with the localuser... same problem. Logged with the remote user (the one I'm logged in as now), OK
[16:48] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: What do you suggest?
[16:49] <Peace-> you could reinstall all kde software
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> via apt-get?
[16:49] <Peace-> but i don't thing it will help
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: is there a meta-package?
[16:49] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: before with kde it worked normally ?
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> yes.
[16:49] <Peace-> ok
[16:49] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest
[16:49] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: it worked normally until i rigged the system for remote LDAP login
[16:50] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest admin
[16:50] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest audio
[16:50] <Peace-> sudo adduser kdetest video
[16:50] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: is all that for me?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, if you installed kde packages on the gnome repos , you also need to install kubuntu-desktop
[16:51] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: thx. =)
[16:51] <LuizAngioletti> BluesKaj: do you think it will help?
[16:51] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: yes
[16:52] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: you need to create a new user for testing
[16:52] <Peace-> then you add that user to every normal grups
[16:52] <LuizAngioletti> ok
[16:52] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: done. =)
[16:52] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: for groups in  adm disk dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape audio video plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare ; do sudo adduser kdetest $groups ; done
[16:52] <Peace-> this should add your new user to every groups
[16:53] <BluesKaj> LuizAngioletti, it should tie all your kde packages to the kubuntu desktop environment
[16:53] <Peace-> if you have done ...
[16:53] <Peace-> you should exit and test using the newuser if you have your prolbem or not
[16:53] <LuizAngioletti> Peace
[16:53] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I'll do that. =)
[16:54] <LuizAngioletti> brb
[16:55] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[16:56] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: apparently it is an user problem...
[16:56] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I logged in OK with the newly created local user (kdetest)
[16:57] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: should I remove some ."config" folder from the localuser user?
[16:57] <LuizAngioletti> =P
[17:00] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: mv $HOME/.kde $HOME/.kdeold
[17:00] <LuizAngioletti> that one was the first one I removed. =P
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> after the problem show'd up
[17:01] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti:  wait
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: =P
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: ok.
[17:01] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I thought about .cache...
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: but I'd have log out for testing.
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: so.. I'm waiting. =P
[17:02] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: try to rename .dbus
[17:02] <Peace-> in your home
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> ok
[17:02] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: brb
[17:06] <reservado> look at http://imagebin.org/185610 - http://imagebin.org/185611 - http://imagebin.org/185612 - http://imagebin.org/185613 - http://imagebin.org/185614 - http://imagebin.org/185615
[17:07] <Peace-> reservado: ahahahaha you have done pictures hahahaha
[17:07] <Peace-> omg man
[17:08] <reservado> sure try to write but i'm tired right now
[17:08] <BluesKaj> reservado, it's mostly unreadable
[17:08] <Peace-> reservado: you don't need to write
[17:08] <Peace-> reservado: btw ... you card works!
[17:08] <reservado> yeah
[17:09] <Peace-> reservado: kde version ?
[17:09] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: no effect.
[17:09] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I'll keep trying to rename related folders and see what I get.
[17:09] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: ok one of them it's the issue
[17:10] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: it could be even be a hidden "file" on your home
[17:10] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: i would create a new user ...
[17:10] <Peace-> and stop
[17:11] <reservado> KDE 4.7.1
[17:11] <Peace->  reservado: sudo apt-get install wicd-kde
[17:11] <Peace-> reservado: btw look before this http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: The user is standard issue at the computer place. =) I'd be disrespecting the agreement. I'll work around. =)
[17:11] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: thx for the help, at least we narrowed the problem down.
[17:12] <Peace-> yw
[17:12] <reservado> can not find wicd-kde
[17:13] <Peace-> reservado: lsb_release -a
[17:14] <reservado> http://paste.ubuntu.com/749473/
[17:15] <Peace-> reservado: wicd-kde is present on oneric
[17:15] <Peace-> so is not possible you can't install
[17:16] <reservado> will look at conf wait
[17:17] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: What's the file .dmrc for? (He was the sucker... =P)
[17:18] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: I accidentally disconnected..
[17:19] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: If you answered, could you repeat?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> reservado, look for wicd in your package manager , it should be there
[17:20] <LuizAngioletti> Another issue: I log in with via WM (regardless of which, GNOME/KDE...). Sometimes (mostly the first time I do it after bootup) I switch to the VT and my session on the VM closes automatically. Do any of you have an idea about why that happens?
[17:20] <Peace-> reservado: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/25/plasma-desktopyY1384.png
[17:21] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: o wtf what are vt vm
[17:21] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: Virtual Terminal (CTRL+ALT+Fn), and VM was a mispell. =P I meant WM
[17:22] <LuizAngioletti> Have to go. I'm late for a meeting. F*K!
[17:22] <LuizAngioletti> Thx guys for the help, I'll be back sometime tomorrow.
[17:22] <Peace-> LuizAngioletti: looks like you have badly installed your distro
[17:22] <LuizAngioletti> have a nice weekend.
[17:23] <LuizAngioletti> Peace-: have to go, thx though;
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Peace-, these switchovers from gnome to kde aren't clean and simple , the kde factoid in the #ubuntu chat doesn't include kubuntu-desktop , which i think is a serious oversight
[17:31] <BluesKaj> ahh, they fixed the factoid , it does include kubuntu-desktop
[17:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mmh?
[17:32] <Peace-> factoid?
[17:32]  * Peace- is a little guy :P
[17:32] <toumbo> Hi people!!I need help!!I want a pop up(or something like this) notification for quassel every time someone say something!how should I do?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> !factoid
[17:34] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[17:34] <Peace-> toumbo: i use konversation and i guess it can do that
[17:34] <Peace-> toumbo: maybe it coudl be done even on quassel
[17:35] <toumbo> Peace If for example you say my name,only then I see the pop up
[17:35] <toumbo> I want to know If I can do this every time someone speaks
[17:36] <toumbo> posts a comment here
[17:36] <Peace-> mm i guess yes
[17:36] <Peace-> you must check the configuration of your irc client
[18:15] <toumbo> with what player can I listen music inside chrome?
[18:15] <toumbo> http://live24.gr/radio/bestradio
[18:31] <BluesKaj> toumbo, you should hear it if you have your audio setup for music on your pc and if you have libflashplayer.so installed in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[18:31] <BluesKaj> chrome looks for the flash plugin in that file
[18:33] <orated> Even in KDE 4.7.2 with Ksysguard (System monitor) is still not able to log the data to file - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223094
[18:33] <orated> Can anyone guide me to fix it?
[18:35] <BluesKaj> toumbo, type this in the chrome addressbar to make sure you have the the right plugins enabled, chrome://plugins/
[18:36] <BluesKaj> orated, have you checked launchpad?
[18:36] <orated> no
[18:38] <toumbo> BluesKaj no,I dont have plugins used to have in ubuntu
[18:38] <BluesKaj> orated, usually for bugs like that launchpad might have a fix
[18:39] <orated> BluesKaj: There are only three bugs related to sensors but none related to logging as far as I can see here. BTW I found this - http://lists-archives.org/kde/13436-sensorlogger-in-ksysguard-now-is-writing-on-disk-file.html - but not completely sure how to use what he did
[18:41] <BluesKaj> toumbo, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:41] <toumbo> :O I forgot to think that package
[18:43] <BluesKaj> orated, is this bug causing a problem or are you just concerned that it's an error?
[18:49] <Crell> Hi all.  I have an 11.04 system I want to upgrade to 11.10.  I told it to stop bugging me about upgrading a few weeks ago, though.  How do I now tell it to go ahead and upgrade?  I don't see an option for it in KPackageKit.
[18:53] <BarkingFish> Crell: the best option now is to do this in a terminal.  Press CTRL+ALT+F1, login to the terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:53] <BarkingFish> that should o it for you
[18:53] <BarkingFish> Crell: the best option now is to do this in a terminal.  Press CTRL+ALT+F1, login to the terminal and type sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:53] <BarkingFish> that should do it for you
[18:53] <Crell> The GUI option doesn't come back  Blargh.
[18:54] <Crell> Is doing it from a separate vterm necessary, or can I do it from a GUI terminal?
[18:54] <BarkingFish> i tried to do it from konsole, and it didn't work so well. I found it better to do from the vterm, but you're welcome to try from konsole :)
[18:55] <Crell> I've had enough bumpy upgrades in the past.  I'll do it the safe way if I can. :-)
[18:55] <BarkingFish> it's not possible to upgrade through kpackagekit anyhow, there were numerous bugs filed over it
[18:55] <Crell> Oh.  Good thing I waited, then.
[18:56] <Crell> OK, off to break stuff.  Thanks.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> kpackagekit disappears in 11.10
[18:56] <BluesKaj> Crell, just open a konsole /terminal and type , sudo do-release-upgrade , however if you have any ppas in /etc/apt/sources.list.d remove them as root
[18:56] <Crell> I don't believe I have any PPAs.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> it's replaces with a program called apper, Crell - same prog, slightly different layout
[18:56] <BarkingFish> *replaced
[18:56] <Crell> BluesKaj: What's the difference between that and aptitude dist-upgrade?
[18:57] <Crell> BarkingFish: Ah, Linux...
[18:57] <BluesKaj> Crell, none really as long as your version of aptitude is up to date
[18:57] <Crell> OK, cool.
[18:57] <Crell> Thanks folks.
[18:58] <BluesKaj> reservado, don't dist-upgrade works as an OS upgrade anymore anyway
[18:58] <orated> BluesKaj: Its a bug. Its causing problem. I'm concerned why its causing error
[18:58] <BarkingFish> i'll be back in a moment, kdm is being silly :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> oops reservado sorry wrong guy ...KB is acting up again
[19:00] <BluesKaj> too late for Crell's correction ...but he'll probly be back with "doesn't work"
[19:01] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[19:02] <reservado> wicd-kde is on universe repo, so i can not install it from cd
[19:09] <Crell> I'm back.
[19:09] <Crell> OK, so trying to run dist-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade, Apt tells me that there's nothing to upgrade.  Yet I am quite sure I'm on 11.04, not 11.10.
[19:10] <Crell> Is there something else I have to do first?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> Crell, lsb_release -a
[19:10] <Crell> 11.04 natty
[19:11] <genii-around> Crell: Make sure /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  contains Prompt=normal     and not something like Prompt=lts or Prompt=never
[19:11] <BluesKaj> always do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade first then, do-release-upgrade
[19:12] <Crell> It's prompt normal.
[19:13] <Crell> BluesKaj: Yep, did that.  No change.
[19:13] <genii-around> Crell: Do you have some packages pinned?
[19:13] <Crell> I don't believe so.
[19:14] <Crell> This is a fairly mundane 11.04 install from around September.
[19:14] <Crell> I've not done anything fancy with it.
[19:14] <genii-around> Crell: Is there a file ( not directory ) of /etc/apt/preferences  ..? If so then pastebin contents
[19:15] <Crell> It doesn't help that my connection seems unstable today, either...
[19:16] <genii-around> ( if some package is being held at a certain version it will prevent dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade )
[19:17] <Crell> Should I just update my sources.list file to say oneric instead of natty and then let it roll?  Or would that break stuff?
[19:17] <genii-around> Breakage will follow if you do that
[19:17] <Crell> Lovely.
[19:17] <Crell> How do I check for pinned apps?
[19:17] <phiscribe> Crell read the release notes for 11.10, there are some gotcha's outlined
[19:18] <phiscribe> for upgrades that is
[19:18] <genii-around> Crell: I think i just went into this. If you have pinned apps, it's the /etc/apt/preferences file which says in it what app and so on
[19:18] <Crell> genii-around: My connection crapped out, so I may not have seen it.
[19:18] <Crell> genii-around: /etc/apt/preferences.d is empty.
[19:18] <genii-around> Ah, I see now you did disconnect/reconnect
[19:19] <genii-around> Crell: /etc/apt/preferences FILE. So if it doesn't exist yet, you don't have any pinned packages.
[19:19] <Crell> OK, I guess I have nothing pinned then.
[19:20] <genii-around> Did you reboot yet since you ran the do-release-upgrade ?
[19:20] <Crell> No.
[19:21] <genii-around> If you ran dist-upgrade and it put a new kernel, do-release-upgrade will not run yet until you boot into the new kernel first
[19:21] <Crell> dist-upgrade didn't say I had any new packages at all.  Certainly not a new kernel.
[19:21] <Crell> I can try rebooting anyway, though.
[19:23]  * Crell goes to go all Windows on his computer...
[19:27] <Crell> Aaaand rebootdidn't fix it.
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Crell, try sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:28] <genii-around> BluesKaj: That would try to put him at the dev release of 12.04
[19:29]  * Crell does not want that. :-)
[19:29] <SMJ> so... what would be a good music player?
[19:29] <Crell> Although when I run that, it does a complete re-update of natty sources, and now is doing an update of oneric sources.
[19:29]  * Crell hopes it doesn't try to update anything else.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> not if he didn't get a full upgrade in the first place on 11.04 ...that's what I'm thinking
[19:30] <genii-around> Crell: So lets recap. The process is normally like:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.  Then it by then usually has your current version as up to date as it will be.  then: sudo do-release-upgrade      will normally work to push your current distribution to the next one in line.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> it won't , your install was never complete
[19:31] <orated> BluesKaj: Can you suggest something based on http://lists-archives.org/kde/13436-sensorlogger-in-ksysguard-now-is-writing-on-disk-file.html ?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> orated, pls explain what you can't do instead of listing errors
[19:33] <Crell> OK, so when I ran do-release-upgrade -d, it rescanned lots of natty sources, then oneric, and now is asking me if I want to upgrade after all.
[19:33] <orated> BluesKaj: As I said. Its not logging... Same thing what the bug id said and even the link above ^
[19:33] <genii-around> Crell: Do you have some non-standard repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, or some PPAs listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory which are for natty only or something?
[19:34] <Crell> The only one I can think of would have been chrome. It said it disabled a repo.
[19:34] <Crell> s/chrome/google chrome/
[19:34] <Crell> I think that was put in there by a package anyway, not by me.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> Crell, right your first install wasn't a complete natty install , now you can do-release-upgrade if you haven't already
[19:35] <Crell> How could it not have been?
[19:35] <Crell> It was a fresh natty install from CD.
[19:36] <BluesKaj> Crell, you still have to run udates and upgrades after the cd install , to catch the new upgrades to the existing packages
[19:37] <Crell> I've been doing that weekly for months.
[19:37]  * Crell has been using Debian/Ubuntu since 2003 or so.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> ok, then that's weird
[19:37] <Crell> Quite. :-)
[19:38] <BluesKaj> maybe a 10.10 repos was holding things back
[19:38] <Crell> Well, it seems like it should be safe to just continue with the update that do-release-update -d wants to do, right?
[19:38] <Crell> Shouldn't have been a 10.10.  Natty was a fresh install.
[19:38] <BluesKaj> including /home
[19:38] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:39] <Crell> Yes.
[19:39] <Crell> It was running SuSE before that.  I decided to wipe and start over.
[19:41] <Crell> So shall I continue, or is there something else I should check first for safety?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> Crell, well as long as it just installs oneiric packages , but it's worriesome that the -d is needed to upgrade to oneiric
[19:42] <Crell> Let me try saying no, then run it again without the -d and see what happens.
[19:42] <BluesKaj> Crell, I'm running 12.04 quite successfully btw, if that's any consolation :)
[19:42] <Crell> Hm.  No, it didn't like that.
[19:43] <Crell> BluesKaj: Yeahno.  I tried 11.10 in September when I was told that it was totally stable and ready in RC state.  It took me about an hour to realize that I didn't want to touch it yet. ;-)
[19:43] <Crell> OK, without the -d it still doesn't think there's anything to upgrade.
[19:43] <Crell> (This is why I'm doing this over a long weekend!)
[19:45] <BluesKaj> Crell, try the -d , and if it asks to install 12.04 Precise , just N
[19:46] <Crell> It doesn't specify a version, but all of the package sources it scanned were either natty or oneric.
[19:46] <Crell> So I guess i'll go for it.
[19:46] <Crell> Worse case scenario, I've got 2 days in which to wipe and reinstall. :-)
[19:47] <BluesKaj> Crell, actually 12.04 is more stable for me so far than 11.0 was
[19:47] <genii-around> If it has mixed repositories between natty and oneiric right now, thats not a good thing
[19:47] <Crell> genii-around: No, my sources.list was all natty.
[19:48] <Crell> do-release-update -d ran througha bunch of natty packages (presumably to see where I was), and then oneric (to see what I needed, I guess), and then suggested stuff to update.  Which is, I presume, what it's supposed to do.
[19:48] <Crell> So far all it's downloading is oneric packages.
[19:49] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:49] <genii-around> Crell: What about any PPAs? They would be listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/    directory
[19:50] <Crell> Hm.  OK, there were some in there.
[19:50] <Crell> Oh bah, apt additions are now in a .d directory too aren't they...
[19:50] <Crell> No wonder I couldn't find them.
[19:50] <Crell> Yeah, I've got one for xhprof, one for chrome, and one for something Java.
[19:51]  * BluesKaj thinks he mentioned that ppa file earlier
[19:51] <BluesKaj> sigh
[19:51] <Crell> I was used to them being in the sources.list file directly.  It didn't occur to me to look for a .d.
[19:52] <Crell> So is that going to break stuff, or will the fact that do-release-update disabled them (or so it said) be OK?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> just remove the ppas , then do-release-upgrade
[19:54] <Crell> Remove by commenting out the contents of those files?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> it's a folder containing text files with the ppa urls in them
[19:54] <Crell> Yes.
[19:55] <Crell> Delete the directory?  Rename it so it doesn't get noticed?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> remove the text files
[19:55] <Crell> Aren't I going to need them again later?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> or cut and paste them to a /home user folder
[19:56] <Crell> OK, copied.
[19:56] <BluesKaj> those pppa repos have to be upgraded to oneiric anyway
[19:56] <BluesKaj> no cut noit copy
[19:57] <Crell> Copied and deleted the orignal.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:57]  * Crell is working on command line.
[19:57] <Crell> Trying again.
[19:57] <Crell> Hm.
[19:57] <Crell> It still says no new release found.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> proibly need to update before doing the release upgrade
[20:03] <Crell> Nope.
[20:03] <Crell> Restored my sources.list file, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && do-release-upgrade => no new release available
[20:04] <reservado> i dont'n have internet connection, so there are some way to configure wlan from command line ????(can't download wicd-kde)
[20:05] <BluesKaj> Crell, try apt-get instead of aptitude
[20:05] <Crell> Same thing.
[20:05] <BluesKaj>  -d ?
[20:06] <reservado> ??
[20:06] <BluesKaj> reservado, iwconfig
[20:07] <reservado> tnx will try
[20:07] <Torch> reservado: plus wpa-supplicant. google for a tutorial
[20:09] <RoadsterGT> How to install proprietary graphics driver?
[20:10] <Crell> BluesKaj: With -d, same as before except this time it isn't saying it disabled 3rd party sources.
[20:10] <Crell> BluesKaj: Should I go ahead with it now?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> Crell, that's normal
[20:11] <Crell> OK.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> Crell, it's your call :)
[20:11]  * Crell crosses his fingers and hits Y, then goes to read stuff on his tablet instead.
 hey
 i opened kmix and i made it hide the bad that shows me settings, file etc
 how can i make it come back?
[20:16] <Torch> RoadsterGT: please do not post questions to several channels at once
[20:16] <RoadsterGT> ok
[20:16] <Darkwing> Crell, you still about?
[20:19] <BluesKaj> Darkwing, got an idea about his upgrade ?
[20:19] <Darkwing> I know him... I was driving when he messaged me lol
[20:21] <Darkwing> need to backread
[20:21] <BluesKaj> IC , he wants ti upfrade to 11.10 from 11.04 but do-release-upgrade outputs no new OSs aavialble
[20:23] <Crell> Oh hai.
[20:23] <Crell> I have the oneric packages downloading in another vterm as we speak.
[20:23] <Darkwing> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades/Kubuntu.  if you have any questions
[20:23] <Crell> Yeah, already there.
[20:23] <Crell> Doesn't tell me anything useful.
[20:24] <Darkwing> I love quassel-core and quasseldroid :D
[20:24] <Crell> The GUI option doesn't show up.
[20:24] <Darkwing> BAH...  GUI
[20:25] <Crell> :-)
[20:25] <Crell> BluesKaj: I'm the one to blame for Darkwing getting involved in open source in the first place. :-)  He and I go way back.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> Crell, cool :)
[20:29] <mithrop> hi here
[20:30] <Darkwing> oh damn... I need to finish this proposal for kubuntu getting the 5 year LTS
[20:31] <Crell> Well get on that. :-)
[20:32] <Darkwing> yeah... at my dads for Thanksgiving
[20:32] <Crell> Details, details...
[20:32] <Darkwing> so I have to steal away
[20:33] <BluesKaj> i don't trust guis for important stuff like OS upgrades ...adds "noise" to connection between me and the repos
[20:33] <mithrop> I have a little question. I was looking for /etc/X11/xorg.conf on my fresh install, but I found nothing. Somewhere, I read this file is not needed anymore. So, where are the config ? ^^ how to know what driver is running my KDE on ?
[20:35] <Crell> BluesKaj: Normally I'd agree, but that's where all of the documentation claims you should be working this way.
[20:35] <reservado> solved (configured wireless) thank you very much
[20:36] <BluesKaj> mithrop, lspci | grep VGA , then you need to lok for the driver , usually in kmenu >settings> additional drivers/recommended
[20:37] <reservado> bye
[20:38] <BluesKaj> mithrop, sorry  kmenu >system> additional drivers/recommended
[20:39] <mithrop> BluesKaj: there is no command line or file containing this information ? The "Additional drivers" windows tells me there is no special driver loaded...
[20:39] <BluesKaj> mithrop, look in the kmenu
[20:40] <BluesKaj> lspci | grep VGA , in the command line , mithrop
[20:41] <mithrop> Yes, I looked into it, found the "Additional drivers". This windows show three drivers. Only one is loaded : for my wifi card ! The lspci | grep VGA give me the model of my card, not the driver. Isn't it ?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> mithrop, the card model can clue us into finding the right driver for it
[20:43] <mithrop> BluesKaj: ok. But I just want to know what driver is actually used ;)
[20:44] <Darkwing> lsmod will list the kernel modules loaded. you can find the video drivers from there
[20:45] <Darkwing> mithrop ^^^
[20:45] <BluesKaj> yeah I was going to suggest whih make then lsmod it
[20:45] <Darkwing> if you want more info on the driver lsmod drivername
[20:46] <CaptainKnots> does anyone here run kubuntu 11.10 on a netbook?
[20:46] <Darkwing> yes
[20:46] <mithrop> Oh ok. It's seems to be "radeon". So, there is no more a file like /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[20:47] <CaptainKnots> I'm debating between kubuntu 11.10 with the lowfat settings or xubuntu 11.10 for my hp mini
[20:47] <Darkwing> no. undeveloped
[20:47] <Darkwing> oops
[20:47] <Darkwing> udev
[20:47] <Darkwing> low-fat is awesome
[20:48] <CaptainKnots> Darkwing: what's the difference?
[20:48] <Darkwing> between?
[20:48] <CaptainKnots> low-fat and normal
[20:49] <CaptainKnots> I'm running kubuntu on my desktop right now
[20:49] <mithrop> Darkwing: ok. So I can config the used driver only with a graphic way ?
[20:50] <Darkwing> lowfat turns off things and sets the settings to optimize lower settings... ill have to find the list.
[20:50] <BluesKaj> mithrop, what is your graphics ..more info is needed , radeon isn't enough info
[20:50] <Darkwing> mithrop give me a sec to find it.
[20:50] <mithrop> Darkwing: Ok thank you.
[20:51] <Darkwing> on my Droid... need to flip my lappy on.
[20:51]  * BluesKaj relaxes and backs off
[20:51] <mithrop> BluesKaj: I don't understand your question... I have a Radeon Mobility HD 4200 card. I ask how to know what driver is enabled on my system... so I can't tell you any information...
[20:52] <BluesKaj> mithrop, that's info we need to find the correct driver "Radeon Mobility HD 4200"
[20:53] <szal> should be supported by the fglrx driver
[20:54] <mithrop> BluesKaj: ?? If I reffer to the old configuration way, there is a way to know what is the driver use in this moment in my system not the driver that SHOULD BE use ;)
[20:57] <Darkwing> Okay, on laptop now.
[20:58] <Darkwing> mithrop: have you checked the kinfocenter?
[20:58] <CaptainKnots> Darkwing: where can I find the low-fat list?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> mithrop, install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[21:01] <mithrop> Darkwing: Here I can see the information about the driver used :) Again, do you know the file where this configuration is writted ? Just to tell why I want to know it. It's just in case I made a mistake, I want to be able to came back in the old configuration only with a tty ;)
[21:02] <Darkwing> CaptainKnots: turn off desktop effects by default, changes the default window decoration style and tweaks some style-related settings, disables the auto-loading of various KDE modules such as bluedevil, the printer applet,  and some nepomuk bits. It also reduces the number of Krunner plugins that are enabled by default as well.
[21:02] <Darkwing> mithrop: ahhh...
[21:03] <mithrop> BluesKaj: ... so you don't really understand my problem :(
[21:04] <Darkwing> mithrop: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man7/udev.7.html
[21:04] <Darkwing> It's not a straight answer per-se but, it will point you in the right direction.
[21:04] <BluesKaj> xorg.conf doesn't show which drivers is being used  , mithrop
[21:05] <mithrop> ah. A lot of time I change the value of a "Driver" property to change the used driver in the past. Last week, on a Sabayon system ;) I try to understand the way Ubuntu work :)
[21:06] <Darkwing> We switched to udev
[21:06] <mithrop> great :) I'll take a look on your man pages ;)
[21:06] <BluesKaj> you can create an xorg.conf file if you must , sudo Xorg -configure
[21:07] <Darkwing> mithrop: I know it's not the direct answer you are looking for but... I think you'll get further there.
[21:08] <genii-around> !xorgconf
[21:09] <mithrop> Thanks you genii-around. I'm just trying to understand how the system know the driver to use ^^
[21:09] <Darkwing> bbiab
[21:13] <BluesKaj> mithrop, it doesn't at first install , it usually checks the hardware and installs a lower level generic driver that will run most graphics cards of that manufacturer without desktop effects, 3d or DR. Once at he desktop for the first time then you try to install the recommended driver for your particular card , like I described previously
[21:14] <genii-around> mithrop: Usually it tries to auto-decide what open-source driver to use by what a hardware probe comes back with. If you install proprietary like nvidia or fglrx then you need to tell it in xorg.conf
[21:14] <genii-around> ( to use that one and not the system default )
[21:14] <mithrop> BluesKaj & genii-around : oh ok. so for now, the system try to detect the best driver at each boot ? Great :D
[21:15] <genii-around> The best open-source driver, yes.
[21:18] <mithrop> ok :) And so, in the "Additional drivers", the system give two proprietary drivers : one "normal" and one other "updates after the Ubuntu launch"
[21:18] <mithrop> how to know the best one ? A little test ? :)
[21:19] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I see a whole bunch of ati stuff installed on my pc yet both onboard and pci graphics are nvidia ..what gives ?
[21:19] <BluesKaj> ati graphics stuff that is
[21:20] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Is it stuff like xserver-xorg-video-ati  ? If so it's stuff got installed with main xorg
[21:20] <BluesKaj> mithrop, is ine of the drivers "recommended" ?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah , that's it , it wants to take all of X with it if i remove it :(
[21:22] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yeah it's all part of the main xserver-xorg install.
[21:22] <BluesKaj> ok , so I'll just leave it then
[21:28] <mithrop> BluesKaj: no one is marked has "Recommended"
[21:33] <BluesKaj> mithrop, is either one marked as "installed" ?
[21:33] <mithrop> I don't think so. Just writted "not activated"...
[21:35] <BluesKaj> mithrop, are both not activated ?
[21:36] <mithrop> yes :/ But in "Muon", I can see the package "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" is installed...
[21:38]  * Crell twiddles his thumbs as his computer is replaced out from under him...
[21:39] <BluesKaj> mithrop, yes that's a standard xorg install on all ubuntu systems , eben mine anbd i don't ahve any ati
[21:39] <BluesKaj> even
[21:39] <mithrop> ah ok. I will try the "normal" one :)
[21:39] <BluesKaj> mithrop, ok
[21:42] <BluesKaj> Crell, what's happening ?
[21:42] <Crell> It's installing packages.
[21:42] <BluesKaj> oneiric I hope
[21:42] <Crell> I think? :-)
[21:44] <Guest95513> how do I check for the latyest distro upgrade via konsole in ubuntu?
[21:44] <Guest95513> kubuntu*
[21:46] <genii-around> Guest95513: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:46] <Guest95513> genii-around: ty :)
[21:48] <genii-around> Guest95513: This will not jump your current version of Kubuntu to the next version yet, but it will bring your current version to the latest kernel available for it and upgrade any packages which there are updates for. It is the preparation needed for a distribution jump.
[21:49] <Guest95513> oh..
[21:49] <Guest95513> how do I upgrade to the latest?
[21:49] <Guest95513> Kubuntu 10.10
[21:53] <DarthFrog> Guest95513: What are you running now?
[21:54] <Guest95513> DarthFrog: Kubuntu 10.10 x86_64
[21:54] <genii-around> Guest95513: You will need to do the commands I described above, then: sudo do-release-upgrade  to go from 10.10 to 11.04. Then repeat the entire process to go from 11.04 to 11.10
[21:54] <DarthFrog> Then you are already running the latest & greatest.
[21:54] <DarthFrog> Oh, 10.10.  Not 11.10.  My bad.
[21:55] <Guest95513> DarthFrog: :P Greatest maybe, but not latest
[21:55] <Guest95513> genii-around: I cant go str8 from 10.10 to 11.10?
[21:56] <DarthFrog> Guest95513:  do the dist-upgrade as genii-around told you.  Then  "sudo do-release-upgrade".
[21:56] <genii-around> Guest95513: Thats correct. If you are on LTS versions, you can go to next LTS version, but you aren't on 10.04 and 12.04 isn't out yet anyhow
[21:56] <Guest95513> ah
[21:56] <Guest95513> Cool
[21:57] <DarthFrog> Guest95513:  that should take you to 11.04.  Then rinse, lather and repeat. :-)
[21:57] <Guest95513> :P
[22:08] <Crell> yay, upgrade complete.  Restarting.
[22:08] <Crell> Wish me luck!
[22:17] <Crell> Am I here?
[22:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[22:17] <BluesKaj> tty ?
[22:17] <Crell> No, GUI came up no problem.
[22:18] <BluesKaj> good
[22:19]  * Crell kicks the tires.
[22:45] <Crell> Yay, flash works again.  I think that's a yay, anyway...
[22:45] <Crell> Hm, although I can't seem to unfullscreen Firefox now.
[22:45] <Crell> There we go.
[22:48] <Darkwing> working Crell?
[22:48] <Crell> seems to be.
[22:48] <Darkwing> whoot.
[22:55] <genii-around> Crell: So far, so good :)
[22:55] <Crell> KMail seems to be having a few issues.  As always...
[22:56] <Crell> Fatal error on startup, "Failed to fetch the resource collection."
[22:56] <Crell> Whatever that means.
[22:56] <Darkwing> yes... kmail has more issues this time around.
[22:56]  * Crell sighs.
[22:56] <Darkwing> we are working on it. :/
[22:56] <Crell> I want to use Kmail, I really do.
[22:56] <Crell> But I've been using TBird for the past 3 years because it, well, works.
[22:58] <Darkwing> yup. I know that feeling
[22:58] <Darkwing> I've been using mutt for about 8 months now
[23:03] <Crell> Wow, akonadi is still trying to index mail in the background and hosing performance.
[23:04] <genii-around> Yes, i hates it