/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/25/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

=== PabloRubianes_ is now known as PabloRubianes
dholbachgood morning07:56
nigelbMorning dholbach!08:00
dholbachhey nigelb08:00
dpmgood morning all08:20
dholbachhola dpm08:22
dpmسلام08:24
nigelbGuten Morgen dpm08:24
nigelb(did I get the spelling right?)08:24
dpmനമസ്കാരം nigelb08:24
* nigelb is blown away08:24
nigelbThat. Was. Epic.08:25
dpm:)08:25
dholbachdpm: سلام to you too08:25
dholbachനമസ്കാരം I can't read :)08:26
dpmit's hello in Malayalam :)08:26
dholbachnice08:31
alouriegood morning08:35
dpmmorning alourie08:43
laoshiⰄⰑⰁⰓⰋ ⰄⰅⰐⰠ09:39
dholbachdpm, I just started the discussion around renaming the guide10:24
dpmah, cool10:25
dholbachjcastro, can you explain to me how the UOW schedule is going to look like for a 3-day event?10:27
dholbachso I can reuse it for UDW :)10:28
dholbachjcastro, nevermind, figured it out10:38
nigelbdholbach: In case you didn't, shorter sessions :)10:57
dholbachnigelb, I just started earlier and finished later :)11:01
nigelb:)11:02
Pendulumdholbach: theoretically things should be in 30 minute slots now (with people having the option to take more than one slot if they need an hour)11:02
dholbachoh11:03
dholbachhum11:03
dholbachhmhmhmhmhmhmhm11:03
Pendulumbut I suspect it's going to be a trial and error thing in some ways11:03
Pendulum(I can see how it'll work well for some weeks and less well for others)11:03
dholbachit might invite more folks to give sessions, as it's less of a commitment to do only half an hour11:04
dholbachand make the whole thing more fast-paced11:04
Pendulumyeah11:04
dholbachI'll update in a bit11:04
PendulumI was thinking where it'll be trickier are some of the tutorials or wider subjects (for example when I was doing User Day sessions on accessibility, I often ran out of time or came close to doing so)11:05
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* AlanBell thinks the open weeks should be marketed way more11:14
popey+111:14
AlanBellposters on the tube, TV ads, banners dragged by aircraft, that kind of thing11:20
AlanBellwell, perhaps not quite that, but we end up building one of the biggest Free Software conferences in the world, with loads of speakers, high value content and we don't market it like you would market Fossdem or Oggcamp or whatever11:21
nigelb*whee*11:26
nigelbhttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P1QGdf9aGBg/Ts91wnc22JI/AAAAAAAACEM/VJhbcTMZFQI/s1600/mozcamp-asia-2011.jpg11:26
PendulumI have trouble thinking of UOW as a conference because IMO conferences are about much more than the presentations and it's the side things that make a conference a conference for me11:27
AlanBellnigelb: second row, 4th from the left?11:27
Pendulumso networking and the side chatter11:27
Pendulumbut certainly it's a training week11:28
nigelbAlanBell: I don't even know where the rows start, but I'm in an Orange T-shirt ;)11:28
AlanBelloh, bright orange near the back on the left? I got it totally wrong then11:30
nigelbhaha11:30
nigelbYeah, that one.11:30
AlanBellPendulum: yeah, I understand it is not the same, but I think the marketing resources should be similar to a real world event with a comparable speaker list, and right now I don't think it is11:31
PendulumI think it has to become more accessible to a real world audience. IRC is very geek-oriented11:32
Pendulumand I even know some geeks who don't use it because they find it confusing or too distracting11:32
Pendulumand while lernid has made it easier, it's not always possible to use (especially if one is trying to access from work as many UOW attendees do)11:33
AlanBellIRC is a bit geeky, "teh internetz" isn't so much11:33
AlanBellit is a text only conference, with a great speaker lineup11:34
AlanBellmaybe a dedicated glossier web client for #ubuntu-classroom would help11:34
Pendulumif there was a web interface closer to lernid (so could see both channels in one webpage without clicking back and forth, etc.) it might help11:38
AlanBellhttp://www.digdang.com/media/images/its_a_whale_6424.jpg maybe something like this :)11:39
pangolinhahaha11:40
AlanBellsomething glossy, realtime, and more paragraphy, with less timestamps and nicks, maybe avatars11:42
Pendulum*snort*11:44
nigelbI just misread one of the words in AlanBell's list. *shudder*11:46
duanedesignmorning all11:50
duanedesignI spotted nigelb in mozcamp-asia-2011.jpg11:51
duanedesign:)11:51
nigelbdholbach: :)11:51
nigelberr11:51
nigelbduanedesign: :)11:51
nigelbdholbach: UNPING :P11:52
nigelb... and I just pinged him twice :)11:52
duanedesignnigelb: you had a good time at mozcamp?11:52
nigelbduanedesign: Yep. It was more condensed than UDS.11:52
nigelbI was running around making it to sessions.11:53
nigelbI want a time machine for all conferences I attend.11:53
nigelbJust to attend all the sessions.11:53
duanedesign:D11:53
duanedesignnigelb: wow, i cant imaginee11:53
duanedesigni usually spend several days after UDS just going back over all my notes so i can 'digest' everything11:54
nigelbheh11:55
dholbachnigelb, "OK" :)11:55
* nigelb hugs dholbach :)11:56
* dholbach hugs you all12:01
cjohnstonmornin12:12
bkerensaI keep hoping that some bad updates will come through soon because right now Precise Pangolin is running much to smooth considering it is in pre-alpha :D12:28
AlanBellacessibility was rather broken last week, but that is fixed now12:36
AlanBellfixed as in not completely broken when using with orca12:36
bkerensaAlanBell: Only thing I have ran into is Software Center not seeming to work12:40
czajkowskiI noticed yesterday on my N machine my login screen is rather different from what it should be on a clean insall :/12:42
bkerensaczajkowski: Running 12.04?12:45
czajkowskiyup12:45
czajkowskimy login screen in the center12:45
bkerensaczajkowski: You mean the 11.10 login splash branding :D12:45
czajkowskirather than to the left12:45
bkerensahuh12:45
bkerensaMine is to the left :D12:45
czajkowskihttp://twitpic.com/7jee6212:50
popeyczajkowski: do you have the package lightdm-gtk-greeter installed?12:52
AlanBellthat looks more like gdm12:52
popeyyeah, looks like there's a gnome shell top to that12:53
czajkowskipopey: nope12:53
popeyis lightdm installed?12:54
czajkowskipopey: nope it's not insalled12:54
popeythats why yours looks different12:54
czajkowskiI only noticed as the guy beside me in work the other day did a clean install and I saw the login screen12:54
czajkowskipopey: thanks will install now12:54
czajkowskiwonder why it didnt update during the upgrade12:54
czajkowskipopey: thank you12:55
AlanBelldo you have ubuntu-desktop installed?12:55
popeyyeah, actually thats the easy fix12:55
popeysudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^12:55
popey(with the hat)12:55
AlanBellupgrades only pull in new stuff if you have ubuntu-desktop to pull them in for you12:56
czajkowskiohhh lotta updates12:56
AlanBellpopey: what does the hat do?12:56
popeyheh12:56
czajkowskiyer a bunch of smart lads :)12:56
popeyinstalls the task12:56
popeyso will pull any dependants in12:57
popeywithout the hat it will install the package12:57
popeywhich wont12:57
AlanBellok, interesting12:57
popeyits a good way to make sure you're not missing some standard bits12:58
pangolinTIL ^ are cool12:58
czajkowskithanks for the tip12:58
pangolinthank you popey :)12:58
czajkowskireboot12:59
popeypangolin: TIL?13:00
pangolintoday I learned13:00
popeyah13:01
pangolinthat is a neat tip13:01
pangolinHow did you learn that one?13:01
popeya developer told me ages ago13:01
dholbachTIL = touched it last13:01
pangolinI use it for today I learned :P13:02
dholbach(whenever you ask who maintains <package XYZ> :-))13:02
popeyTime In Lieu13:02
popeyheh13:02
czajkowskihmmm13:05
czajkowskihttp://twitpic.com/7jelpb13:05
czajkowskino change13:05
popeyremove gdm13:05
popeymake sure lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter is installed13:06
czajkowskigdm and gdm-guest-session ??13:06
czajkowskiremmove them both ?13:06
czajkowskinm comes up as an option13:07
czajkowskialways scarey going near gdm had a bad experience before and had no login screen13:07
popeyi have no gdm packages installed13:07
kamilnadeemHi13:21
Pendulumczajkowski: apologizes, but she lost her login screen13:22
czajkowskihttp://twitpic.com/7jeuxe13:23
czajkowskiyay for mac so i can get on13:23
czajkowskimachine wont move past the above image :/13:23
AlanBelldoes ctrl+alt+f1 get you to a terminal you can log in at?13:23
czajkowskiAlanBell: aye13:24
AlanBellok, that is a start13:25
AlanBelltry sudo service lightdm status13:26
AlanBelland sudo service lightdm restart13:26
czajkowskiwhoo that worked13:28
czajkowskiAlanBell: thanks13:28
czajkowskiwonder why it wouldnt work the first time though13:30
AlanBellgosh13:31
czajkowskirestarted same thing13:32
czajkowski:/13:32
AlanBellI was just expecting that to give an error message that someone cleverer than me would understand :)13:32
nigelbI wonder if there's a message is syslogs13:32
AlanBellwhat was the output of service lightdm status?13:32
czajkowskiwaiting13:33
AlanBell"lightdm start/running, process 1422" or not like that13:33
czajkowskinope nothign as helpful as that13:33
popeyi suspect the dm has not been set to auto start13:33
popeyreinstalling it is the quick and dirty way to fix that13:33
popeysudo apt-get install --reinstall lightdm13:33
czajkowskiwill give it a lash13:34
czajkowskiwhat could go wrong :)13:34
* AlanBell wonders if /etc/init/lightdm.conf exists13:36
czajkowskirestarting now13:36
czajkowskiwill let you know in a tic13:36
kamilnadeem as suggested , I had filed the bug in Kubuntu-website. But it is lying dead there https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/893997. Now If some people at high ranks will bring it to attention then it will be great. Also another real life bug related to orange snap effect after using the worlspace swicther(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/875557) has really left me perturbed . as I am in between writing my new13:40
kamilnadeemblog post about 11.10 , not sure how to proceed with it now. :(13:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 893997 in kubuntu-website "The Kubuntu sites is archaic(both in content and design), an updation is must. " [Undecided,New]13:40
popeykamilnadeem:13:41
popeybah!13:41
AlanBellkamilnadeem: well probably ask in #kubuntu13:41
popeykamilnadeem: that ^^13:41
nigelbTry to find ryanca.13:42
nigelbI think he's the Kubuntu website guy.13:42
czajkowskiAlanBell: so when you run service lightdm status13:42
czajkowskiresult is13:42
czajkowskilightdm stop/waiting13:42
nigelbDid you try the reinstall?13:42
AlanBellok, so it isn't running13:42
czajkowskinigelb: done13:43
popeyand rebooted?13:43
czajkowskithen restarted and still no login13:43
nigelbDrat.13:43
popeybah13:43
czajkowskiindeed13:43
kamilnadeemyeah might as well do that in #kubuntu(doing just that), also are you people facing that orange snap bug after using works space switcher?13:43
czajkowskiso tempted to walk over to millbank and go  bickies and coffee for who ever fixes this13:43
nigelbheh13:43
AlanBellczajkowski: does /etc/init/lightdm.conf exist?13:44
czajkowskiAlanBell: just waiting on login 2 ticks13:44
czajkowskithis is why me adn removing stuff is a bad idea :( I break things13:44
popeythis is why removing ubuntu-desktop is bad13:45
popeyand people still do it13:45
popeyand people still tell them its okay "works fine here"13:45
popeyand then 6 months later they're not around and we fix it13:45
czajkowskiAlanBell: aye tis here13:45
AlanBellpopey: if you remove ubuntu-desktop then you are not running ubuntu really13:46
kamilnadeem:)13:46
AlanBellok, so that bit exists, but upstart isn't up-starting it :(13:47
czajkowskiindeed13:47
czajkowskiits misbehaving13:47
AlanBelloh, does /etc/init/gdm.conf or something gdm ish exist?13:48
czajkowskilemmie see13:48
czajkowskiit does indeed13:49
AlanBelland you uninstalled gdm13:49
czajkowskiI did13:49
JanCAlanBell: I have gdm.conf but upstart starts lightdm just fine13:50
AlanBellI would move that to your home or something (I tend not to delete stuff like that)13:50
czajkowskiI autoremoved it13:50
AlanBellJanC: yeah, I have gdm.conf too actually, maybe this is not a productive line of enquiry13:51
JanCczajkowski: what does /etc/X11/default-display-manager say?13:51
JanCif it says gdm and you removed gdm, that would probably cause trouble  ;)13:51
AlanBells/say/contain/13:52
JanCright ☺13:52
AlanBellmine is /usr/sbin/lightdm13:52
JanCI think a dpkg-reconfigure of any DM package will probably update that file (as should do an uninstall, I suppose?)13:52
czajkowskibugger it says lightgm13:52
kamilnadeemhave posted about in Kubuntu IRC and might as well going to boot into my Kubuntu 11.10 install, Tc.13:53
* czajkowski peers at her machine 13:53
czajkowskiI think it likes to drive me batty13:53
JanCalso, maybe one of the "start-conditions" in /et/init/lightdm.conf is not fulfilled...13:54
czajkowskipaste.ubuntu.com/74928213:57
JanChm, is dbus started at the point that lightdm isn't started yet?13:59
JanCalthough it could be any of the other required events...14:00
AlanBellthe millbank+cookies idea is looking good14:01
czajkowskiAlanBell: aye but who14:01
czajkowskipretty sure the design team cant help :)14:01
AlanBellsudo dpkg reconfigure lightdm14:04
AlanBellsudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm even14:04
AlanBellas JanC said that probably doesn't do much more than set /etc/X11/default-display-manager14:06
JanCczajkowski: one thing you could do to help find the issue is boot with the option "--verbose" added to the kernel parameters (e.g. in grub)14:07
JanCthat should log all upstart events...14:07
czajkowskidpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME missing14:09
czajkowskidpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE missing14:09
czajkowskioh dear14:09
JanChm...14:10
popeythats normal14:12
popeyi get that14:12
* JanC has to go now, back in 30-45 min ☺14:25
czajkowskiJanC: toodles14:26
czajkowskiI'm sure it's something I'm doing or not doing is the issue. for the time being I can log in if I go ctrl alt f1 and log in from there once I restart the lightdm14:27
duanedesignjcastro: i am showing the juju charm school irc session is today. Should it be Dec. 2nd? (fridge calendar)15:20
akgranerduanedesign, hmmm  - fixing he fridge is easy - let me find the original post15:23
akgranercheck the fridge now - I updated it based on the Dec 2nd, 1500 UTC date and time...15:27
akgranershould be right now or at least match the announcement...15:27
jcastroduanedesign: it is 2 december15:27
jcastrowhich calendar was it on that was wrong?15:27
akgranerjcastro the fridge - I just fixed it - since I was there anyway...15:28
duanedesign\o/15:33
alouriejcastro: would you mind a little chat?15:46
jcastrowhat's up15:46
dholbachanyone upgraded to precise already? :)15:47
czajkowskidholbach: bkerensa has done so I think15:47
alouriedholbach: sure thing15:48
alouriewhy would you ask15:48
alourie?15:48
dholbachas it's supposed to be more easily testable (as there's more people working on keeping it stable without packages breaking and stuff) and it's an LTS I was wondering if I should start testing it and playing around with it a lot earlier than usual :)15:48
czajkowskiI'll upgrade once I resolve my login inssue :)15:49
dholbachoh? what's wrong there?15:50
alouriedholbach: VM is for the rescue.15:52
alourieI wouldn't upgrade my actual machine...15:53
dholbachahhh ok15:55
alourieI like to keep them synced though15:56
czajkowskigah could someone please tell randall that horse image is rather sickening16:46
czajkowskiplease twice in two days now it's on planet Ubuntu16:46
JanCczajkowski: it's not sure lightdm was ever started even (so you didn't really REstart it), that's why the upstart log could be useful17:06
hggdhjcastro: what is this ubuntu-etherpad team? bugsquad got an invite, and I do not know yet for what17:32
jcastroit's for access to the etherpad17:32
jcastroIS had to add stuff since it was getting spammed17:32
jcastroso we added people in teams17:32
hggdhoh, OK17:32
hggdhbugsquad is in17:33
dholbachalright my friends - have a great weekend everyone - big hugs!17:35
nigelbg'nite and happy weekend dholbach :)17:35
dholbachbye :)17:36
AlanBelljcastro: cjohnston we should stop adding teams to that group, launchpad sends out loads of emails when invitations are accepted and I think most new requests will be from people outside of any group anyhow17:38
jcastroI think there's like 19k people who have access to the etherpad now17:39
jcastrothat outta be enough17:39
nigelbheh17:39
nigelbI didn't want to fight with IS about that ticket.17:39
AlanBellyes, now everyone in bugsquad would have been notified that the invitation was accepted17:39
nigelbOr else we could have turned if off/made it an open team.17:39
jcastrosucky17:40
AlanBellnigelb: how is your node.js :)17:40
nigelbAlanBell: sucky :P17:40
nigelbI couldn't get npm to work.17:40
AlanBellyay, so is mine17:40
cjohnstonAlanBell: i looked at recent joiners and added their teams17:40
AlanBellcjohnston: ok, reasonable strategy17:40
cjohnstonthats y those two teams ere adeed17:41
cjohnstonwere17:42
jcastroanyone seen jono today or is he off?17:54
jcastrocjohnston: ok your BP looks awesome dude17:56
jcastroI sent it off to jono17:56
jcastrocjohnston: you're resetting the line today for status.u.c?17:56
czajkowskijcastro: not seen him on here today18:09
czajkowskiit's been rather quiet18:09
Pendulumhe did black friday shopping in the middle of the night18:11
PendulumI suspect he's sleeping18:12
czajkowskiwhat;s this sleep you talk of18:13
* JanC thinks he would hate "Black Friday shopping" ;)18:15
bkerensadholbach: I'm using Precise as my default desktop already18:20
bkerensa:D18:20
jcastrogreg-g: here you go dude21:22
jcastrohttp://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/11/deploying-thinkup-to-the-cloud-with-juju/21:23
jcastroa copy of all your social media thing21:23
jcastroI know it's ironic doing it on EC2 for the example21:23
jcastrobut the idea makes sense.21:23
jcastrois it me or is planet slow?22:20
bkerensajcastro: Likely because one of the blogs its syndicating is lagging bad22:21
bkerensajcastro: If someones server is thrashing and they have images in a post it can slow down planet load time by minutes22:21
AlanBellplanet won't load the images22:22
jcastrowell, one of them is my tumblr22:22
jcastrothe other is cloud.ubuntu.com22:22
AlanBellbut a heap long feed will take a while to load22:22
bkerensaAlanBell: What do you mean it wont load images? I have seen one blog on a .de with a 200 word post and image that makes planet take 3-4 mins to load22:23
AlanBellhttp://www.planeta11y.org/22:23
AlanBellis one I set up last week22:23
AlanBellthe planetvenus software just loads the rss and re-renders it with <img> tags pointing at the source images22:23
AlanBellthe image data does not flow to the server, but relative links in <img> and <a> tags do get rewritten as fully qualified URLS22:24
bkerensayeah hotlinking which is not good22:24
AlanBellimages might take the planet a while to load in a browser, but they do not intrinsically make the cron job take longer because it doesn't retrieve them22:24
AlanBellthere are rather a lot of feeds on planet ubuntu right now, it has to retrive each one in turn and run the xslt filters on the rss and validate the html and do other processing and pass it through a template then it assembles a static page that gets served22:27
bkerensaAlanBell: I have kind of wondered.... Is planet not supposed to be Ubuntu related posts only? I noticed some odd stuff now and then that dont seem to be related to Ubuntu let alone FOSS22:27
AlanBellit is the blogs of ubuntu members22:28
AlanBellin theory22:28
AlanBellthere may well be some expired people in there and I was trying to audit and review that22:28
bkerensaAhh :)22:28
AlanBellPlanet Ubuntu is a window into the world, work and lives of Ubuntu developers and contributors.22:29
AlanBelldoesn't have to be 100% ubuntu related22:29
bkerensaAhh :)22:29
bkerensahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu#Separating_Content22:29
bkerensathat always made me thought it did which is why I seperated my feed by category22:30
AlanBellsure, some people only want their ubuntu specific posts aggregated22:30
bkerensaI think I just misread the wiki :D22:30

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