=== Guest1591 is now known as amithkk === huats_ is now known as huats === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:54] heh [15:55] scott-upstairs, is there also a scott-basement and a scott-attic ? [15:55] * skaet waves [15:55] * ogra_ moos [15:56] * scott-upstairs waves [15:56] * tumbleweed notices we've moved an hour later [15:56] tumbleweed, 16:00 UTC ... [15:56] no, ogra_ , just my regular latptop (ScottL) and one of the other computers when i'm upstairs in my studio room [15:56] ah :) [15:57] * madnick is always "madnick-basement" [15:57] lols [15:57] oh, where did skaet go? [15:58] cjwatson, luke told me to mention to you that you "need to fix up the groups for studio in the studio preseed file in the debian-cd code, he will know what you are talking about" [15:58] * highvoltage waves [15:58] * skaet seems to be having IRC weirdness... could be an interesting meeting. [16:00] * stgraber waves [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started Fri Nov 25 16:00:22 2011 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [16:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:00] o/ [16:00] [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet [16:00] Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-11-25 [16:00] There will be a couple of tweaks to the round table order today. Edubuntu will be going earlier, after Cert and QA. [16:00] . [16:00] Reminder: New format for the meeting is to review the comments posted by other teams in ubuntu-release maillist before the meeting, and then ask questions. === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Release general overview - skaet [16:00] During round table Q&A time, please post link to your mail message, and any additional comments. When you've finished comments/questions signal by ".." [16:00] If you want to ask a question, please "o/" so we know to wait for you. [16:00] . [16:01] Schedule for this release will be at: [16:01] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [16:01] #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/ [16:01] . [16:01] scott-upstairs: I replied to your mail [16:01] cjwatson, thank you (i will read it shortly) [16:01] We've now passed Feature Definition Freeze, and status tracker has been reset. [16:01] There are 2084 work items on the tracker as of 2011/11/25, a little up from last release. [16:01] #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ [16:01] . [16:01] Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found: [16:01] #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html [16:02] Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to those teams. [16:02] . [16:02] Upcoming Dates: [16:02] • 11/28 - 21:00 Soft Freeze for Alpha 1 [16:02] • 11/29 - Images for testing posted on ISO tracker [16:02] • 12/01 - Alpha 1 release. [16:02] . [16:02] For alpha 1 we'll be testing out the new ISO tracker at: http://91.189.93.73/ We're working with IS to get it deployed on the main servers. A big thank you to stgraber and jibel and other early testers for getting it ready in time for alpha 1. :) [16:02] . [16:02] Any questions before stgraber gives us an overview of the plans for testing the new ISO tracker next week and then we move into the round table? [16:02] .. [16:02] [TOPIC] New ISO tracker overview - stgraber === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: New ISO tracker overview - stgraber [16:02] ISO testing for alpha-1 will be happening on the new ISO tracker at http://91.189.93.73 [16:03] The tracker is currently being tested with dailies and runs an import of the old tracker (http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com). [16:03] [16:03] On Sunday, I'll be flushing everything on http://91.189.93.73 except for the daily results. [16:03] I'll then make another import of the old tracker and will then disable the old tracker and put a link to the new one in the header. [16:03] The switch will be announced to ubuntu-devel, ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-testing (forgot any?) [16:03] [16:03] Next week, the builds will be posted on that new tracker and you'll be notified by e-mail as usual. [16:03] In the event where something goes wrong during alpha-1 testing, we'll be switching back to the old one (results will be kept). [16:03] [16:03] Authentication now works using Ubuntu SSO (OpenID) and Launchpad teams for access. [16:03] Members of ~ubuntu-qa-website-devel and ~ubuntu-release have admin access, everyone else (with an account) has reporter access. [16:03] [16:03] Current known limitations include the to-be-implemented My subscriptions page and the download links. [16:03] Download links should be implemented at some point today and I'll try to get the subscriptions page done over the weekend. [16:03] [16:03] I invite everyone to make sure their account work (as they need to be automatically merged at first login) and to play a bit with the new site. [16:03] I added "A test milestone" for you to play around and try to break the site :) [16:04] .. [16:05] Thanks stgraber! [16:05] * skaet looks around for o/? [16:05] o/ [16:05] go pitti [16:05] any fundamentally different features, structure, etc. we need to be aware of? [16:06] or is it pretty much working like the old one from an "user"'s POV? [16:06] I clicked around a bit, and it does look familiar enough [16:06] nothing too visible at the moment, biggest difference is access to the archive and the possibility of adding a rebuild reason when adding new builds [16:06] ah, that's handy [16:06] you mean s/adding/disabling/ ? [16:07] that's a nicer place to keep that information than the etherpad [16:07] the DB supports new things like hardware profile, multiple results per user, per-milestone testcases, ... but it's not exposed at the moment as I want to be able to push results back to the old tracker if needed [16:07] * skaet happily notes its better interface on admin side, too ;) [16:08] it's a note field for each build, so you can use it to tell the testers what really needs testing [16:08] or to tell why something got disabled when marking it for rebuild [16:09] looks nice, we shouldn't have problems finding our way there; thanks! [16:09] (though I noticed the UI for the later seems to be missing, adding that to my todo for this afternoon ;)) [16:09] .. (in case you were waiting for that) [16:09] also, all daily builds are auto-posted [16:09] we'll just change a config file on nusakan to flip that to a milestone [16:10] (not all auto-posted today, because the tracker went down and also we spotted a security problem (fixeD)) [16:10] *fixed [16:10] so with (what feels like) 20 minute ISO builds, auto-posting, QA auto-testing, and publish-image-set.py, isn't that pretty much a fully scripted release manager? :-) [16:10] (srsly, this all makes me soo happy!) [16:10] right, and for these of you wondering, you won't get spammed for daily builds :) [16:10] :) [16:11] 20min iso builds .... [16:11] * ogra_ is so envious [16:11] stgraber: is the new site points to the regular data? or something else? [16:12] the current site is using a DB import from iso.qa.ubuntu.com from an hour ago [16:12] ah [16:12] ok === emma_ is now known as em [16:12] schema is different so I can't simply use the same DB but I have import/export scripts to transfer data back to the old tracker if needed [16:13] Thanks again stgraber! Very much looking forward to switching to this new tracker!! [16:13] * skaet moves on to round tables now... [16:14] [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Hardware Certification team update - mlegris [16:14] hmm.... he seems to be away [16:14] [TOPIC] QA team update - jibel === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA team update - jibel [16:15] hi [16:16] o/ (question) [16:16] go pitti [16:16] jibel: can you please give a quick status quo of which tests currently happen to daily ISOs? do we have any? smoketesting? anything else? [16:17] i. e. to what degree can we trust an image that gets posted, and how much manual smoketesting testing should we do before we post it to the tracker? [16:17] asking in context of the a1 release next week [16:18] ISTR that in past cycles we had an automatic smoke tester, but it was never fully clear to me when/how that runs [16:18] .. [16:18] pitti: upgrade testing, or fresh install? [16:18] fresh install of ISOs [16:18] I'm aware of the upgrade testing [16:18] i. e. slam them into a VM, run ubiquity with leaning on the Return key, and see if the result boots [16:19] ok, the current automated test are triggered automatically when a new build is available on cdimage.u.c [16:19] yes, oversimplified, but in essence "does the installer crash during the default options" [16:19] it uses preseeding and runs in VMs [16:20] we are testing a default installation, LVM, encrypted home, different tasksel selections [16:20] I don't have the exhaustive list on the top og my mind but can send it to the list [16:20] so ideally we should only auto-post an image after that ran and succeeded, not immediately from the ISO build itself [16:20] jibel: wow, that's already more than I hoped for :) [16:21] we are testing both d-i and ubiquity [16:21] (jibel spotted an issue on on server default install for us today :) [16:21] jibel: how do we learn if an image is good/bad? checking at jenkins? or does it make some noise if a test case fails? [16:21] Daviey, bug 894187 maybe ? [16:21] Launchpad bug 894187 in console-setup (Ubuntu Precise) "d-i preseeded installation fails because keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap is not set" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894187 [16:22] hopefully on the ISO tracker (once the result API is ready ;)) [16:22] ah, so that's how it works -- the smoketest auto-posts results? [16:22] pitti, notifications are sent to a mailing list [16:22] when a test fails, when it's unstable (some of the tests fails) or back to normal [16:23] jibel, what's the mailing list, and how can folks subscribe? [16:23] jibel, stgraber: fantastic, thanks to you guys for setting this up [16:23] pitti: not yet, but that's the idea now that we have the dailies on the tracker. I have a results.get_list and results.add XMLRPC calls in the new tracker, though it's not public yet as the API will change post-alpha1 (ability to post multiple results and link to hardware) [16:24] or you can check the status on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/ [16:24] * pitti shuts up now, 'nuff owning of the meeting [16:24] pitti: so hopefully for alpha-2 we'll have the automated testing and upgrade testing reporting to the tracker [16:24] \o/ [16:24] we'll have a real dashboard really soon [16:24] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/ will do just fine for a1 [16:24] pitti: we auto-post everything as dailies because the QA results are attached to posted-for-testing images [16:24] I mean, WTH, for oneiric and earlier we had to manually run an ISO just to find out that the installer crashes right away [16:24] perhaps we could promote things to milestone builds after daily testing or something [16:25] but yeah, we don't need to discuss that noww [16:25] Daviey: the bug jibel referred to above will be fixed at the next d-i rebuild [16:25] right, I just wanted to know where to look and what happens [16:25] (later today) [16:25] \o/ [16:25] Today is just getting better, and better [16:25] jibel, what's the mailing list, and how can folks subscribe? [16:26] skaet, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-testing-notifications [16:27] jibel, Thanks! [16:27] just a word about the test we are doing for upgrade [16:27] and a big thank you to you and all the QA team for the work you've been doing to get this hooked up. :) [16:27] jibel, go ahead. [16:28] upgrades are also tested automatically using the auto-upgrade-tester [16:28] results are here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/job/precise-upgrade/ [16:28] jibel: is that based on what mvo used to do, or something fresh? [16:28] we are running ubuntu, ubuntu-server and a selection of task on both amd64 and i386 [16:28] Daviey, yes it is [16:29] ta [16:29] we are currently testing from latest stable to the dev release [16:29] and we'll add LTS->LTS testing after A1 [16:29] :) [16:29] jibel: could Kubuntu be added to that and the iso tester? [16:30] Riddell, we can provide the instructions if you want to set up the infrastructure for Kubuntu [16:31] ok [16:31] * skaet moving on to round table now [16:31] [TOPIC] Edubuntu Q&A - stgraber === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Edubuntu Q&A - stgraber [16:31] hey again! [16:31] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000506.html [16:32] I don't think we have any question at this point. I'll test Edubuntu this weekend and upload fixes for anything that's not too risky to fix for alpha-1 [16:32] Thanks stgraber! glad you have images again. Any concerns for next week's images? [16:32] currently my concerns are: will it boot, then will it install and then will it still boot :) [16:33] I'll know more on Monday [16:33] Thanks. :) [16:33] haha [16:33] I should frame that and put it on my wall [16:33] :) [16:33] * skaet not seeing any hands, moving on. [16:33] [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Security team Q&A - mdeslaur [16:33] hi! [16:34] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000501.html [16:34] business as usual, work items are set in stone [16:34] we'll probably be uploading the final 2.7 version of apparmor, but that shouldn't impact anything [16:34] that's about it! [16:34] \o/ [16:35] thanks to jdstrand for doing the kdeutils fix [16:35] yes! he's eating leftover turkey today as a reward for that hard work :) [16:35] * skaet assumes .., and that Daviey is just happy and no questions... [16:35] .. [16:35] Thanks mdeslaur! [16:35] thanks! [16:36] [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - apw === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel team Q&A - apw [16:36] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000494.html [16:36] All of out blueprints are pretty much there now. [16:36] The expected rebase to 3.2-rc3 appeared yesterday and has already been uploaded. [16:37] I think thats it. [16:37] .. [16:37] Thanks apw! any worries about the new kernel for next week? [16:37] No i've been testing it for 24 hours on my kit here, even my day-to-day machine and its been rock solid [16:37] sweet! thanks! [16:37] much happier now we are on an official -rc [16:37] .. [16:37] :) [16:37] [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Foundations team Q&A - cjwatson [16:38] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000504.html [16:38] bug 885654 has come up since that, I'm working on that now [16:38] Launchpad bug 885654 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with KeyError in partman_edit_dialog(): 'method_choices'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885654 [16:38] and we'll need to rebuild installer images for the new kernel once it's finished building everywhere [16:38] but other than that, no concerns for alpha-1 that I know of [16:38] .. [16:38] Thanks cjwatson! [16:39] * skaet not seeing questions so moving on [16:39] [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Server team Q&A - Daviey [16:39] Hola! [16:39] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000512.html [16:39] Current focussed bugs: [16:39] http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html [16:39] Something that should be included is the mysql transition to 5.5, this is being driven by SpamapS. Uf you have any questions or issues, he is the man of the moment. [16:39] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/libmysqlclient.html [16:39] ^^ Tracking it. [16:39] Thanks! [16:39] .. [16:40] Thanks Daviey! [16:41] [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A- ogra_ === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM team Q&A- ogra_ [16:41] * ogra_ waves [16:41] [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000513.html [16:41] nothing to add here ... [16:41] .. [16:42] thanks ogra_ ! will confirm the image set with you early next week for alpha 1. [16:42] hasnt changed since oneiric [16:42] .. [16:42] thanks ogra_, that's what I was hoping to hear. :) [16:42] :) [16:42] o/ [16:43] go cjwatson [16:43] is the armel+omap4 image on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ intended to stay there? it isn't autobuilt, and IIRC it was a temporary experiment, but I didn't want to just nuke it without asking [16:44] cjwatson, nuke it for now, we found some issues with building it properly and were waiting for a new kernel [16:44] are you intending to autobuild it in future then? does it supersede the preinstalled image or will it be a new addition? [16:44] we dont inted to autobuild live (yet) if there are any arm live images they are all just for one time tests [16:44] OK, then I suggest using CDIMAGE_NOPUBLISH=1 when building them and putting them manually into a custom directory [16:45] if we find that live installs faster than preinstalled resizes we might re-consider switching to live [16:45] that way we don't get this kind of confusion [16:45] (which i highly doubt) [16:45] I've nuked it, thanks [16:45] will do [16:45] .. [16:46] [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro team Q&A - fabo [16:46] hi! [16:46] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000518.html [16:46] mostly busy with our release. not much to add... [16:46] ... [16:46] Thanks fabo! congrats on getting 11.11 out. :) [16:47] thks :) [16:47] [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A - joshuahoover === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu One Team Q&A - joshuahoover [16:48] * skaet doesn't see him... moving on. [16:48] [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A - pitti === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Desktop Team Q&A - pitti [16:48] status is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:48] This morning I got a bit surprised by bug 893842, which was a silent major change, but I think we fixed the most important bits now. We need to watch out for/search for less visible cases of assuming "admin" still, though. [16:48] Launchpad bug 893842 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu Precise) "Move "admin" group to "sudo"" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893842 [16:48] Aside from that, no current problems for A1, should be ready to go. [16:48] Except for some oversizedness, but if we don't manage to sort that out, I figure it's not an A1 blocker. [16:48] questions? [16:48] .. [16:49] Thanks pitti! oversize not blocker for alpha1. [16:49] it might just resolve itself, as we moved to rb now and removed mono [16:49] but FTR [16:50] rb? [16:50] rhythmbox [16:50] .. [16:50] tomboy moved since mono off the cd? [16:50] right [16:52] skaet: it should; haven't gotten a daily build yet to verify [16:52] pitti, thanks. [16:53] pitti: want one? [16:53] no need to wait if it would be useful now (well, now + build time) [16:53] :) [16:53] cjwatson: well, I'll call it a week right after the meeting, so daily weekend builds are enough for me [16:54] * scott-upstairs is afk for 30 secs [16:54] [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Q&A - dbarth === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Desktop Experience Team Q&A - dbarth [16:54] hi [16:54] the status was posted on the ML and is also at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus [16:54] pitti: ok [16:55] nothing much to add [16:55] thanks dbarth! [16:55] do you have questions? [16:55] .. [16:55] when will there be burndown charts available? [16:55] dbarth: myunity was uploaded to new queue, if anyone on your team objects to it do let the archive admins know [16:56] myunity? [16:56] * scott-upstairs back [16:56] a unity settings tweaking application [16:57] skaet: i need to work on that for next week; mostly see how to have our bug pile being taken into account [16:57] dbarth, gotcha, will get with you offline. [16:57] [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell [16:58] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000505.html [16:58] bug 893826 currently causing upgrade breakage [16:58] Launchpad bug 893826 in pkgbinarymangler (Ubuntu) "symlinked docs are different between architectures, depending on dpkg-deb package order" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893826 [16:58] ISOs oversized [16:58] .. [16:58] Thanks Riddell! [16:58] which images will you be trying to release with alpha 1? (cd, dvd, alternate for i386, amd64 - is assumption right now) Is there someone lined up to test arm images? what about active? [16:58] kubuntu active doesn't exist yet [16:59] o/ [16:59] my arm machine is not with me, so I won't be able to test for alpha 1 [16:59] cjwatson: hi [17:00] Riddell: there's a bunch of stuff on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt which appears to be actually due to versioned dependencies from metapackages which aren't satisfied (e.g. kdegraphics Recommends: kdegraphics-mobipocket (>= 4:4.7.3), kdegraphics-mobipocket is at 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu2) - is that all just pending builds? [17:00] if it's all Recommends it may not have been noticed [17:00] Riddell, GrueMaster can probably cover that for one alpha (we need to ask him though and he wont be back before monday) [17:00] .. [17:00] cjwatson: it's pending me finishing the merges which I'll do this afternoon [17:01] OK [17:01] I'll not demote that stuff :) [17:02] Thanks ogra_ (/me holds off on removing them from the image list for A1) [17:02] cjwatson: it's untidy I agree, I'll have a think about if there's a way to stop the meta-kde update causing that [17:03] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-upstairs === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - scott-upstairs [17:03] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000515.html [17:04] we've addressed a few bugs, including the dssi-vst ia32-libs issue i think [17:04] and cjwatson has helped with the root-sudo issue as well that i think pitti mentioned [17:04] and a question: i was going to update the studio theme to the xubuntu theme, should i wait until after a1? [17:05] .. [17:05] Thanks scott-upstairs! any changes to the specific images for A1, or same as oneiric? [17:05] you have time if you do it by Monday or so, I think [17:05] cjwatson, ack [17:05] skaet, pretty much the same as oneiric really [17:05] scott-upstairs, thanks! [17:06] [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick [17:06] hi [17:06] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000503.html [17:06] We have blueprints for all of our roadmap items with an assignee. [17:06] .. [17:06] Thanks madnick! re: testing [17:06] ideally see how many of the manditory tests per milestone you can work through. [17:07] okay :) [17:07] Thanks. Basically need to figure out if they are safe to ship or not, and what to warn folks about. [17:08] [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir [17:08] hi :) [17:08] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000502.html [17:08] nothing new, except we would like to add powerpc ISO to the list of tested ISO for a1 [17:08] that's just a matter of it being on the tracker [17:09] yes [17:09] .. [17:09] Thanks gilir! [17:09] though I suspect alternate powerpc won't work; see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2011-November/017979.html [17:10] ah, I will ask people to look at this [17:11] [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney [17:11] * tumbleweed waves [17:11] :) [17:11] no mail from us, nothing crazy happening in MOTU [17:11] .. [17:11] gilir: no need, patch is there, but I don't think it will make alpha-1 now [17:11] thanks tumbleweed! [17:11] [TOPIC] Any other business, comments questions: ? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Any other business, comments questions: ? [17:12] * skaet looks around for o/'s [17:12] cjwatson, ok thanks :) [17:13] Its a wrap then. Thanks stgraber, mlegris, jibel, mdeslaur, apw, cjwatson, Daviey, ogra_, fabo, joshuahoover, pitti, dbarth, Riddell, madnick, scott-upstairs, gilir, tumbleweed. Good meeting. :) [17:13] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:13] Meeting ended Fri Nov 25 17:13:30 2011 UTC. [17:13] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-11-25-16.00.moin.txt [17:13] thank you [17:13] thanks skaet! [17:13] thanks skaet [17:13] thanks everyone, have a nice weekend! [17:13] you too pitti! [17:13] thanks skaet and have a good weekend everyone! [17:14] thanks [17:14] good weekend everyone! [17:15] thanks skaet :) [17:15] thanks again for your help, cjwatson :-) [17:15] thanks skaet [17:15] np [18:00] right, ARB meeting time [18:00] #startmeeting [18:00] Meeting started Fri Nov 25 18:00:36 2011 UTC. The chair is ajmitch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [18:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:00] * stgraber waves [18:01] * highvoltage waves [18:02] agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda, we'll mostly just go over what's been going on these last few weeks [18:03] firstly action items from last meeting - there was one for stgraber to check on packages being copied to the new release [18:04] * ajmitch had done a basic check that there were no packages copied to the precise dist on extras.ubuntu.com [18:04] so I had to initialize Precise to get extras.u.c working, so apparently everything works as expected (nothing gets copied) [18:04] ok, great [18:04] glad to know it was simple :) [18:05] #topic UDS session === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: UDS session [18:06] just pulling up the blueprint link now [18:07] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-app-review-board has the work items there, most of them refer to getting access to myapps.developer.ubuntu.com & to the review shifts [18:08] does everyone have access now? [18:08] stgraber: did jono hand over the list admin? [18:08] next week is my first shift, I hope some of you will be available if I have questions [18:08] (which I will) [18:08] ajmitch: no, I poked him again two days ago, no news yet... [18:08] we have access but it's buggy & broken for accessing tarballs of apps copied from the non-ARB review parts [18:08] highvoltage: yeah, I'm taking the weekly shifts as a good time to do my own queue watching [18:08] oh, and in person at UDS, though that didn't help apparently :) [18:09] there's a LP bug open about the problems [18:09] highvoltage: more fun to do together [18:09] wendar: great :) [18:09] bug 886366 [18:09] Launchpad bug 886366 in Developer registration portal "Cannot download some arb apps during review" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/886366 [18:10] lfaraone: welcome, I just mentioned the bug you opened about not being able to access some arb apps [18:11] ah, that's an odd one [18:11] currently this bug is blocking reviewing of some apps, along with a few other problems which make the review page annoying [18:12] achuni has been on top of these things, so submit a bug (or bugs) [18:12] wendar: I'd like to hear from you how your shift went & then I'll get on to my issues with myapps :) [18:12] stgraber and I won't get all the same issues, since we have overall admin privs as well as ARB reviewer privs [18:13] first shift went well, it was nice to have some focused time [18:13] so, I packaged 'crabhack' [18:14] and was disappointed to discover at the end that there's a launcher bug in pyglet [18:14] (the toolkit it's written in) [18:14] otherwise, it's a nice little game [18:15] it also needed some fixes to the upstream tarball, so I sent those back to the developer [18:15] I have a couple of policy questions from other apps I reviewed [18:16] TagPlayer depends on a Last.fm account. The software itself is FLOSS, but the Last.fm terms are proprietary (http://www.last.fm/api/tos). [18:16] sure, I've got some as well [18:16] wendar: we have last.fm applications in the archive, including the official client. [18:16] afaik we have a few clients for proprietary services in main & universe [18:17] like ubuntu one. [18:17] See http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/last-exit and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lastfm [18:18] highvoltage: last.fm is a bit more proprietary than even that, it limits what you can do with the data you get [18:19]