| Squirm | hello | 06:46 |
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| Kilos | good morning all of ya | 07:35 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 07:35 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 07:35 | |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee please | 07:38 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Okay | 07:38 |
| inetpro | goeiemore Kilos, and others | 07:39 |
| Kilos | môre inetpro | 07:39 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! | 07:39 |
| Kilos | Maaz, dankie man | 07:40 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier my vriend | 07:40 |
| Langjan | Hi kilos, are you there? | 08:08 |
| Kilos | hiya Langjan | 08:09 |
| Kilos | busy mailing you too | 08:09 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:09 |
| Langjan | Hi my friend, are you well? | 08:09 |
| Kilos | yes ty and you | 08:09 |
| Langjan | Yes very, by God's grace | 08:10 |
| Kilos | thank heavens He helps us through tough times hey | 08:10 |
| Langjan | Absolutely. When will be a good time for you to tackle this upgrade with me? | 08:11 |
| Kilos | right now if you got time | 08:11 |
| nlsthzn | Morning uncle Kilos , Langjan and all... | 08:11 |
| Kilos | hiya nlsthzn | 08:12 |
| Langjan | Hi nlsthzn, are you well? | 08:12 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, you wanna check me and help with Langjan upgrading to 11.04 | 08:12 |
| nlsthzn | Langjan, always good, thanks for asking... and yourself? | 08:13 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, he is a bigger uncle than me | 08:13 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos, sure... but may I ask why 11.04 and not 11.10? | 08:13 |
| nlsthzn | Sorry Oom Langjan | 08:13 |
| Kilos | like 90 or something | 08:13 |
| Langjan | kilos, I dont really have the time right now, but if I can do it a step at a time, firstly if I can recover my old mails it will give me a tremendous boost | 08:13 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 08:13 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:13 |
| Kilos | doesnt thunderbird have a backup option | 08:14 |
| Kilos | Langjan, tonight is fine too | 08:14 |
| Kilos | well nlsthzn you cant upgrade from maverick to 11.10 straight | 08:15 |
| Langjan | Please remind me how do I type your name easily, nlsthzn | 08:15 |
| Kilos | nl tab Langjan | 08:15 |
| Kilos | thats a stinker without using tab | 08:16 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:16 |
| nlsthzn | ah... well to be honest I had a horrible upgrade experience or too so if I go for a new distro now it is fresh intalls all the way when possible... | 08:16 |
| nlsthzn | but to each his own... perhaps even worth it to wait until the Pangolin lands in April... | 08:16 |
| Langjan | nlsthzn, thanks, seems like no sense to go to unproven 11.10 when 11.04 has same lifespan? | 08:16 |
| Kilos | ok first we gotta get him to make backups | 08:16 |
| nlsthzn | well, 11.04 will be support will end 6 months before 11.10 because they are 6 months appart... but no issues with Natty, it was a good release for me (and it still has classic gnome 2 which 11.10 doesn't) | 08:18 |
| Langjan | nlsthzn, according to the site, the 11.04 has the same lifespan as the 11.10, because it's (oh shucks, I forget what they call it, but every .10 version is designed for longer lifespan) | 08:19 |
| Kilos | lts | 08:20 |
| nlsthzn | Langjan, every second year a LTS release comes out | 08:20 |
| Langjan | Every .04 | 08:20 |
| Kilos | but thats only with 12.04 | 08:20 |
| nlsthzn | 11.04 is not LTS | 08:20 |
| nlsthzn | 10.04 was as well as 12.04 will be | 08:20 |
| Langjan | thats it LTS | 08:20 |
| Kilos | last one was lucid i think | 08:20 |
| Langjan | Sorry, 11.10 is correct | 08:20 |
| Langjan | 11.0Now I'm confused | 08:21 |
| Kilos | Langjan, you have unity on your wifes pc hey | 08:21 |
| nlsthzn | :) so many numbers and code names :p | 08:22 |
| Kilos | lol | 08:22 |
| Langjan | Is unity 11.04? | 08:22 |
| nlsthzn | 11.04 Natty Narwhal was the first one to ship with the new Unity interface | 08:22 |
| Kilos | yes with the option to use gnome destop interface | 08:22 |
| Langjan | Yes its on my wifes pc | 08:22 |
| * nlsthzn lurks as uncle Kilos has everything under control :) | 08:22 | |
| Kilos | do you like it | 08:22 |
| Kilos | no nlsthzn | 08:23 |
| Kilos | i know nothing of unity | 08:23 |
| nlsthzn | Younateee is awesomeness... but it is just an alternative shell (interface)... behind the scenes it is same old same old | 08:24 |
| Langjan | Its fine, it was just the desktop that irritated me when I had it on my system but now I know that the other option is also available | 08:24 |
| Kilos | first you must make a backup | 08:25 |
| nlsthzn | Langjan, in 11.10 the official fallback is Unity-2D which looks like normal Unity. There is a gnome fallback which can be installed but it isn't 100% the same as it isn't Gnome 2 now but Gnome 3 (as Gnome 2 has now ended basically) | 08:25 |
| Kilos | do you have an external usb drive Langjan | 08:25 |
| Langjan | no kilos | 08:25 |
| Kilos | no usb stick either? | 08:26 |
| nlsthzn | 11.10 has been a culture shock for many people | 08:26 |
| Langjan | yes that I have | 08:26 |
| Langjan | 1 gig | 08:26 |
| Kilos | hopefully thats big enough | 08:26 |
| Langjan | for my e-mails? | 08:27 |
| Kilos | delete everything on it | 08:27 |
| Kilos | for a backup | 08:27 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, you use thunderbird hey | 08:27 |
| Kilos | how do you make backups | 08:28 |
| nlsthzn | I started since 11.04... | 08:28 |
| * nlsthzn goes do some google-fu as I never backup e-mail ... I use gmail and all e-mail is always available online | 08:28 | |
| Kilos | evolution you click on file and go backup | 08:28 |
| Kilos | it backsup all settings and contacts etc | 08:29 |
| Kilos | has thunderbird got that option? | 08:29 |
| Langjan | Kilos, I would like to start by retrieving my lost e-mails and address books on the old system (my spare hard drive) | 08:30 |
| Kilos | Langjan, can you say where and how they are lost | 08:31 |
| Kilos | if that drive was formatted then there are tools that recover everything that was on there | 08:31 |
| Kilos | but they come in numbers not filenames so you will spend days sorting to see what was picks or mails or music etc | 08:32 |
| Langjan | I think they are still in a folder, I have seen it and tried to recover the contents, it shows the sub-folder name setc | 08:34 |
| Kilos | can you try dragging that folder from that drive to your desktop | 08:35 |
| Langjan | Normally I would boot on the other drive but let me see if I can access it from here | 08:36 |
| Kilos | cant you open them or does it say you havent got permission | 08:36 |
| Langjan | I'm trying to find the TBird but am not sure which filesystem it is | 08:40 |
| nlsthzn | ... to make a backup of thunderbird later will be easy enough... | 08:40 |
| Kilos | but anyway Langjan if you havent gone to your mail site and deleted them there you can get them all by marking them as unread | 08:41 |
| Kilos | then your new thunderbird will get them again | 08:41 |
| Langjan | I'm referring to mails that have been deleted from the site a long time a go, it 's set to only keep for 14 days | 08:43 |
| Kilos | oh my | 08:44 |
| Kilos | ok lets try find these in that folder | 08:44 |
| Kilos | do you save them in a separate folder or how did they get into a folder? | 08:44 |
| Kilos | gmail keeps mine forever looks like | 08:46 |
| Langjan | as far as I know they are stored there automatically, home folder? | 08:46 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, does thunderbird have a home folder or is that Langjan s home folder | 08:47 |
| Kilos | like places /home/ | 08:48 |
| Langjan | I'm wasting your time now, let me find those folders then I will get back to you guys | 08:49 |
| Kilos | i got lotsa time Langjan | 08:49 |
| Kilos | till i stop breathing | 08:50 |
| Kilos | hehe | 08:50 |
| Kilos | Langjan, can you still boot into that drive? | 08:51 |
| Langjan | Me too, only thing is I don't know when I will stop breathing...Thanks kilos but I don't and it is frustrating me | 08:51 |
| Kilos | no problem my friend | 08:51 |
| Langjan | Yes I can, that's why I will prefer to try to get the folders and then get back toy uo | 08:51 |
| Kilos | ok boot into it and make a backup of thunderbird | 08:52 |
| Langjan | Maybe this evening | 08:52 |
| nlsthzn | sorry, busy helping the wife on an art project... | 08:52 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google backing up mail with thunderbird on ubuntu maverick | 08:52 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "ThunderbirdNewVersion - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion :: "Ubuntu One : Help : Tutorials—Install and setup contacts sync ..." https://one.ubuntu.com/help/tutorial/install-and-setup-contacts-sync/ :: "Get your Emails back in Thunderbird after Ubuntu upgrade | Nazly ..." http://www.nazly.net/get-your-emails-back-in-thunderbird-after-ubuntu-upgrade/ :: "[ubuntu] Best Backup Met | 08:52 |
| nlsthzn | the folder is in /home/user-name/.thunderbird | 08:53 |
| Kilos | no probs Langjan mail me when you gonna come on here | 08:53 |
| Langjan | ok then some time when we get together, on the weekend? | 08:53 |
| nlsthzn | <Unit193> ~/.thunderbird/weird-stuff.default | 08:53 |
| nlsthzn | <Unit193> Example: ~/.thunderbird/hs85pi77.default/ | 08:53 |
| Kilos | ok | 08:53 |
| Kilos | remember what nlsthzn said now | 08:54 |
| Kilos | so the folder is in /home/jan/ | 08:54 |
| Kilos | might need to do a show all thing there | 08:54 |
| Langjan | ok thanks, enjoy the rest of your day | 08:55 |
| Kilos | you too | 08:55 |
| Kilos | lo dLimit | 08:55 |
| dLimit | Kilos how are ya? | 08:56 |
| Kilos | good ty and you dLimit | 08:56 |
| Kilos | thanks nlsthzn | 08:57 |
| Kilos | lo zeref | 08:57 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos, I will try and look for more info so we make sure all possibilities are covered | 08:59 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, i think they all got lost when doing an upgrade | 08:59 |
| nlsthzn | all the previous e-mails? | 09:00 |
| Kilos | he musta had them saved somewhere in thunderbird | 09:01 |
| Kilos | they are on his second drive | 09:01 |
| nlsthzn | Well if the directory is there then the files should be there... | 09:01 |
| Kilos | im not sure which drive has which OS on | 09:01 |
| Kilos | yeah | 09:01 |
| nlsthzn | also, was he using Thunderbird back then or maybe Evolution? | 09:02 |
| Kilos | that last link from maaz might be a similar prob | 09:04 |
| Kilos | thunderbird | 09:04 |
| Kilos | i think i am the only one using evo | 09:04 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:04 |
| nlsthzn | :) | 09:10 |
| nlsthzn | Thunderbird is just so much easier to setup | 09:10 |
| Kilos | easier than evo? | 09:11 |
| nlsthzn | light years... | 09:12 |
| nlsthzn | well, for gmail in any case | 09:12 |
| nlsthzn | add mail address and password... click on imap... | 09:12 |
| nlsthzn | done | 09:12 |
| Kilos | i cant use imap | 09:12 |
| Kilos | have to use pop | 09:12 |
| Kilos | i will try thunderbird one of these days | 09:13 |
| nlsthzn | well the same applies for pop... just choose pop and done | 09:13 |
| Kilos | but evo has been good to me | 09:13 |
| Kilos | oh you dont need to at :995 and :465 | 09:14 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:14 |
| nlsthzn | all that info is there already... | 09:14 |
| nlsthzn | like I said... much easier for us bnoobs | 09:14 |
| Kilos | thats nice | 09:14 |
| nlsthzn | noobs even | 09:14 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:14 |
| Kilos | but its 12 meg or so to get thunderbird | 09:15 |
| nlsthzn | problem is... evolution could be that easy too... not sure why don't just go and make it that easy | 09:15 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos, not sure... I have been spoiled over here with data | 09:15 |
| Kilos | yeah it just needs someone to add the necessary info | 09:15 |
| zeref | oh hai guys :-) | 09:16 |
| nlsthzn | It looks like Thunderbird queries the servers via the e-mail address to find the info | 09:16 |
| nlsthzn | hi zeref | 09:16 |
| Kilos | ah | 09:17 |
| Kilos | wb zeref | 09:17 |
| Kilos | you been writing exams | 09:17 |
| * Kilos wonders how maia's exams are going | 09:18 | |
| Kilos | hiya superfly didnt see you lurking there | 09:18 |
| zeref | yeah, Kilos, finished yesterday xD | 09:24 |
| Kilos | hope they went well laddy | 09:26 |
| Kilos | hiya morgs | 09:44 |
| morgs | hi Kilos | 09:45 |
| Kilos | later all | 09:57 |
| superfly | hi ki | 11:32 |
| zeref | hmmmm | 12:55 |
| zeref | anybody here a fundie of python? | 12:56 |
| superfly | zeref: I know a little | 13:20 |
| zeref | kk | 13:26 |
| zeref | umm, i'm currently working on a project using python, was wondering wether qt or wxwidigets? | 13:27 |
| zeref | would be a good for a GUI | 13:27 |
| superfly | zeref: Qt | 13:30 |
| superfly | That's what I've used, and I'm always glad we made the decision to go Qt over wxWidgets | 13:31 |
| zeref | so used PyQt? | 13:31 |
| zeref | *you | 13:32 |
| superfly | yes | 13:45 |
| Kilos | evening all | 18:22 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, yooo hooo | 18:29 |
| zeref | hi Kilos | 18:30 |
| Kilos | hiya zeref ek sukkel | 18:31 |
| zeref | o0o0 met? | 18:31 |
| Kilos | trying to set up a drive for my sis using maverick | 18:32 |
| Kilos | she has vodamail.co.za and i cant find the settings for it | 18:32 |
| Kilos | got her a gmail account but she got 100s of mails lying at vodamail | 18:33 |
| Kilos | im using evolution | 18:33 |
| zeref | o0o0 | 18:33 |
| Kilos | it works great to gmail only i cant find pop settings for voda | 18:34 |
| zeref | not my area i'm afraid | 18:34 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:34 |
| Kilos | no prob | 18:34 |
| Kilos | you happy exams finished | 18:34 |
| zeref | umm, why not just move all emails from voda to gmail? | 18:34 |
| zeref | very happy :-D | 18:34 |
| Kilos | yay | 18:35 |
| zeref | now i can foucs on work and my projects | 18:35 |
| Kilos | good | 18:35 |
| Kilos | i would have to go online to gmail and her vodamail to do that and not gonna waste all that data | 18:36 |
| zeref | ahh | 18:36 |
| Kilos | will fone vodacom tomorrow and ask then for settings for pc | 18:36 |
| Kilos | what work you gonna do | 18:36 |
| Kilos | IT yes but where | 18:37 |
| zeref | or the Pop3 server use pop3.vodamail.co.za and for the SMTP server setting, use smtp.vodamail.co.za | 18:37 |
| zeref | what bout those? | 18:38 |
| zeref | but that is for outlook | 18:38 |
| zeref | myb evolution uses the same | 18:38 |
| zeref | 1) i'm creating a tennis game with my homies | 18:38 |
| zeref | 2) for work, providing opensource applications/soultions to companies | 18:39 |
| Kilos | you gonna go place to place and do installations for clients as well | 18:41 |
| Kilos | maybe can supply ubuntu/linux help as well then | 18:41 |
| zeref | yebo | 18:41 |
| Kilos | i think thats a big thing. most peeps wouldnt know how to get ubuntu going properly and how to fix probs etc | 18:42 |
| Kilos | and there are lotsa peeps that hate using winsucks | 18:42 |
| Kilos | those settings look good ty. will most likely have to add :995 to pop3 and :465 to smtp | 18:44 |
| Kilos | thanks alot i will give it a go | 18:44 |
| zeref | kk | 18:48 |
| Kilos | sleep tight all of you | 19:04 |
| inetpro | Eish! | 20:21 |
| * inetpro is very frustrated | 20:22 | |
| inetpro | after a safe-upgrade and kernel update I suddenly can no longer get x to start properly | 20:23 |
| inetpro | +some nvidia updates | 20:24 |
| inetpro | s/start properly/start/ | 20:25 |
| inetpro | and I'm way to tired to remember past experiences and where to even start to fix this thing | 20:31 |
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