[06:46] <Squirm> hello
[07:35] <Kilos> good morning all of ya
[07:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:35]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:38] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[07:38] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[07:39] <inetpro> goeiemore Kilos, and others
[07:39] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[07:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[07:40] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[07:40] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[08:08] <Langjan> Hi kilos, are you there?
[08:09] <Kilos> hiya Langjan 
[08:09] <Kilos> busy mailing you too
[08:09] <Kilos> hehe
[08:09] <Langjan> Hi my friend, are you well?
[08:09] <Kilos> yes ty and you
[08:10] <Langjan> Yes very, by God's grace
[08:10] <Kilos> thank heavens He helps us through tough times hey
[08:11] <Langjan> Absolutely. When will be a good time for you to tackle this upgrade with me?
[08:11] <Kilos> right now if you got time
[08:11] <nlsthzn> Morning uncle Kilos , Langjan and all...
[08:12] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[08:12] <Langjan> Hi nlsthzn, are you well? 
[08:12] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you wanna check me and help with Langjan upgrading to 11.04
[08:13] <nlsthzn> Langjan, always good, thanks for asking... and yourself?
[08:13] <Kilos> nlsthzn, he is a bigger uncle than me
[08:13] <nlsthzn> Kilos, sure... but may I ask why 11.04 and not 11.10?
[08:13] <nlsthzn> Sorry Oom Langjan 
[08:13] <Kilos> like 90 or something
[08:13] <Langjan> kilos, I dont really have the time right now, but if I can do it a step at a time, firstly if I can recover my old mails it will give me a tremendous boost
[08:13] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:13] <Kilos> hehe
[08:14] <Kilos> doesnt thunderbird have a backup option
[08:14] <Kilos> Langjan, tonight is fine too
[08:15] <Kilos> well nlsthzn you cant upgrade from maverick to 11.10 straight
[08:15] <Langjan> Please remind me how do I type your name easily, nlsthzn
[08:15] <Kilos> nl tab Langjan 
[08:16] <Kilos> thats a stinker without using tab
[08:16] <Kilos> hehe
[08:16] <nlsthzn> ah... well to be honest I had a horrible upgrade experience or too so if I go for a new distro now it is fresh intalls all the way when possible...
[08:16] <nlsthzn> but to each his own... perhaps even worth it to wait until the Pangolin lands in April...
[08:16] <Langjan> nlsthzn, thanks, seems like no sense to go to unproven 11.10 when 11.04 has same lifespan?
[08:16] <Kilos> ok first we gotta get him to make backups
[08:18] <nlsthzn> well, 11.04 will be support will end 6 months before 11.10 because they are 6 months appart... but no issues with Natty, it was a good release for me (and it still has classic gnome 2 which 11.10 doesn't)
[08:19] <Langjan> nlsthzn, according to the site, the 11.04 has the same lifespan as the 11.10, because it's (oh shucks, I forget what they call it, but every .10 version is designed for longer lifespan)
[08:20] <Kilos> lts 
[08:20] <nlsthzn> Langjan, every second year a LTS release comes out
[08:20] <Langjan> Every .04
[08:20] <Kilos> but thats only with 12.04
[08:20] <nlsthzn> 11.04 is not LTS
[08:20] <nlsthzn> 10.04 was as well as 12.04 will be
[08:20] <Langjan> thats it LTS
[08:20] <Kilos> last one was lucid i think
[08:20] <Langjan> Sorry, 11.10 is correct
[08:21] <Langjan> 11.0Now I'm confused
[08:21] <Kilos> Langjan, you have unity on your wifes pc hey
[08:22] <nlsthzn> :) so many numbers and code names :p
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:22] <Langjan> Is unity 11.04?
[08:22] <nlsthzn> 11.04 Natty Narwhal was the first one to ship with the new Unity interface
[08:22] <Kilos> yes with the option to use gnome destop interface
[08:22] <Langjan> Yes its on my wifes pc
[08:22]  * nlsthzn lurks as uncle Kilos has everything under control :)
[08:22] <Kilos> do you like it
[08:23] <Kilos> no nlsthzn 
[08:23] <Kilos> i know nothing of unity
[08:24] <nlsthzn> Younateee is awesomeness... but it is just an alternative shell (interface)... behind the scenes it is same old same old
[08:24] <Langjan> Its fine, it was just the desktop that irritated me when I had it on my system but now I know that the other option is also available
[08:25] <Kilos> first you must make a backup
[08:25] <nlsthzn> Langjan, in 11.10 the official fallback is Unity-2D which looks like normal Unity.  There is a gnome fallback which can be installed but it isn't 100% the same as it isn't Gnome 2 now but Gnome 3 (as Gnome 2 has now ended basically)
[08:25] <Kilos> do you have an external usb drive Langjan 
[08:25] <Langjan> no kilos
[08:26] <Kilos> no usb stick either?
[08:26] <nlsthzn> 11.10 has been a culture shock for many people
[08:26] <Langjan> yes that I have
[08:26] <Langjan> 1 gig
[08:26] <Kilos> hopefully thats big enough
[08:27] <Langjan> for my e-mails? 
[08:27] <Kilos> delete everything on it
[08:27] <Kilos> for a backup
[08:27] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you use thunderbird hey
[08:28] <Kilos> how do you make backups
[08:28] <nlsthzn> I started since 11.04...
[08:28]  * nlsthzn goes do some google-fu as I never backup e-mail ... I use gmail and all e-mail is always available online
[08:28] <Kilos> evolution you  click on file and go backup
[08:29] <Kilos> it backsup all settings and contacts etc
[08:29] <Kilos> has thunderbird got that option?
[08:30] <Langjan> Kilos, I would like to start by retrieving my lost e-mails and address books on the old system (my spare hard drive)
[08:31] <Kilos> Langjan, can you say where and how they are lost
[08:31] <Kilos> if that drive was formatted then there are tools that recover everything that was on there
[08:32] <Kilos> but they come in numbers not filenames so you will spend days sorting to see what was picks or mails or music etc
[08:34] <Langjan> I think they are still in a folder, I have seen it and tried to recover the contents, it shows the sub-folder name setc 
[08:35] <Kilos> can you try dragging that folder from that drive to your desktop
[08:36] <Langjan> Normally I would boot on the other drive but let me see if I can access it from here
[08:36] <Kilos> cant you open them or does it say you havent got permission
[08:40] <Langjan> I'm trying to find the TBird but am not sure which filesystem it is
[08:40] <nlsthzn> ... to make a backup of thunderbird later will be easy enough...
[08:41] <Kilos> but anyway Langjan if you havent gone to your mail site and deleted them there you can get them all by marking them as unread
[08:41] <Kilos> then your new thunderbird will get them again
[08:43] <Langjan> I'm referring to mails that have been deleted from the site a long time a go, it 's set to only keep for 14 days 
[08:44] <Kilos> oh my
[08:44] <Kilos> ok lets try find these in that folder
[08:44] <Kilos> do you save them in a separate folder or how did they get into a folder?
[08:46] <Kilos> gmail keeps mine forever looks like
[08:46] <Langjan> as far as I know they  are stored there automatically, home folder?
[08:47] <Kilos> nlsthzn, does thunderbird have a home folder or is that Langjan s home folder
[08:48] <Kilos> like places /home/
[08:49] <Langjan> I'm wasting your time now, let me find those folders then I will get back to you guys
[08:49] <Kilos> i got lotsa time Langjan 
[08:50] <Kilos> till i stop breathing
[08:50] <Kilos> hehe
[08:51] <Kilos> Langjan, can you still boot into that drive?
[08:51] <Langjan> Me too, only thing is I don't know when I will stop breathing...Thanks kilos but I don't and it is frustrating me 
[08:51] <Kilos> no problem my friend
[08:51] <Langjan> Yes I can, that's why I will prefer to try to get the folders and then get back toy uo
[08:52] <Kilos> ok boot into it and make a backup of thunderbird
[08:52] <Langjan> Maybe this evening
[08:52] <nlsthzn> sorry, busy helping the wife on an art project...
[08:52] <Kilos> Maaz, google backing up mail with thunderbird on ubuntu maverick
[08:52] <Maaz> Kilos: "ThunderbirdNewVersion - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion :: "Ubuntu One : Help : Tutorials—Install and setup contacts sync ..." https://one.ubuntu.com/help/tutorial/install-and-setup-contacts-sync/ :: "Get your Emails back in Thunderbird after Ubuntu upgrade | Nazly ..." http://www.nazly.net/get-your-emails-back-in-thunderbird-after-ubuntu-upgrade/ :: "[ubuntu] Best Backup Met
[08:53] <nlsthzn> the folder is in /home/user-name/.thunderbird
[08:53] <Kilos> no probs Langjan mail me when you gonna come on here
[08:53] <Langjan> ok then some time when we get together, on the weekend?
[08:53] <nlsthzn> <Unit193> ~/.thunderbird/weird-stuff.default
[08:53] <nlsthzn> <Unit193> Example: ~/.thunderbird/hs85pi77.default/
[08:53] <Kilos> ok
[08:54] <Kilos> remember what nlsthzn said now
[08:54] <Kilos> so the folder is in /home/jan/
[08:54] <Kilos> might need to do a show all thing there
[08:55] <Langjan> ok thanks, enjoy the rest of your day
[08:55] <Kilos> you too
[08:55] <Kilos> lo dLimit 
[08:56] <dLimit> Kilos how are ya?
[08:56] <Kilos> good ty and you dLimit 
[08:57] <Kilos> thanks nlsthzn 
[08:57] <Kilos> lo zeref 
[08:59] <nlsthzn> Kilos, I will try and look for more info so we make sure all possibilities are covered
[08:59] <Kilos> nlsthzn, i think they all got lost when doing an upgrade
[09:00] <nlsthzn> all the previous e-mails?
[09:01] <Kilos> he musta had them saved somewhere in thunderbird
[09:01] <Kilos> they are on his second drive
[09:01] <nlsthzn> Well if the directory is there then the files should be there...
[09:01] <Kilos> im not sure which drive has which OS on
[09:01] <Kilos> yeah
[09:02] <nlsthzn> also, was he using Thunderbird back then or maybe Evolution?
[09:04] <Kilos> that last link from maaz might be a similar prob
[09:04] <Kilos> thunderbird
[09:04] <Kilos> i think i am the only one using evo
[09:04] <Kilos> hehe
[09:10] <nlsthzn> :)
[09:10] <nlsthzn> Thunderbird is just so much easier to setup
[09:11] <Kilos> easier than evo?
[09:12] <nlsthzn> light years...
[09:12] <nlsthzn> well, for gmail in any case
[09:12] <nlsthzn> add mail address and password... click on imap...
[09:12] <nlsthzn> done
[09:12] <Kilos> i cant use imap
[09:12] <Kilos> have to use pop
[09:13] <Kilos> i will try thunderbird one of these days
[09:13] <nlsthzn> well the same applies for pop...  just choose pop and done
[09:13] <Kilos> but evo has been good to me
[09:14] <Kilos> oh you dont need to at :995 and :465
[09:14] <Kilos> hehe
[09:14] <nlsthzn> all that info is there already...
[09:14] <nlsthzn> like I said... much easier for us bnoobs
[09:14] <Kilos> thats nice
[09:14] <nlsthzn> noobs even
[09:14] <Kilos> lol
[09:15] <Kilos> but its 12 meg or so to get thunderbird
[09:15] <nlsthzn> problem is... evolution could be that easy too... not sure why don't just go and make it that easy
[09:15] <nlsthzn> Kilos, not sure... I have been spoiled over here with data
[09:15] <Kilos> yeah it just needs someone to add the necessary info
[09:16] <zeref> oh hai guys :-)
[09:16] <nlsthzn> It looks like Thunderbird queries the servers via the e-mail address to find the info
[09:16] <nlsthzn> hi zeref 
[09:17] <Kilos> ah
[09:17] <Kilos> wb zeref 
[09:17] <Kilos> you been writing exams
[09:18]  * Kilos wonders how maia's exams are going
[09:18] <Kilos> hiya superfly didnt see you lurking there
[09:24] <zeref> yeah, Kilos, finished yesterday xD
[09:26] <Kilos> hope they went well laddy
[09:44] <Kilos> hiya morgs 
[09:45] <morgs> hi Kilos
[09:57] <Kilos> later all
[11:32] <superfly> hi ki
[12:55] <zeref> hmmmm
[12:56] <zeref> anybody here a fundie of python?
[13:20] <superfly> zeref: I know a little
[13:26] <zeref> kk
[13:27] <zeref> umm, i'm currently working on a project using python, was wondering wether qt or wxwidigets?
[13:27] <zeref> would be a good for a GUI
[13:30] <superfly> zeref: Qt
[13:31] <superfly> That's what I've used, and I'm always glad we made the decision to go Qt over wxWidgets
[13:31] <zeref> so used PyQt?
[13:32] <zeref> *you
[13:45] <superfly> yes
[18:22] <Kilos> evening all
[18:29] <Kilos> nuvolari, yooo hooo
[18:30] <zeref> hi Kilos
[18:31] <Kilos> hiya zeref  ek sukkel
[18:31] <zeref> o0o0 met?
[18:32] <Kilos> trying to set up a drive for my sis using maverick
[18:32] <Kilos> she has vodamail.co.za and i cant find the settings for it
[18:33] <Kilos> got her a gmail account but she got 100s of mails lying at vodamail
[18:33] <Kilos> im using evolution
[18:33] <zeref> o0o0
[18:34] <Kilos> it works great to gmail only i cant find pop settings for voda
[18:34] <zeref> not my area i'm afraid
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:34] <Kilos> no prob
[18:34] <Kilos> you happy exams finished
[18:34] <zeref> umm, why not just move all emails from voda to gmail?
[18:34] <zeref> very happy :-D
[18:35] <Kilos> yay
[18:35] <zeref> now i can foucs on work and my projects
[18:35] <Kilos> good
[18:36] <Kilos> i would have to go online to gmail and her vodamail to do that and not gonna waste all that data
[18:36] <zeref> ahh
[18:36] <Kilos> will fone vodacom tomorrow and ask then for settings for pc
[18:36] <Kilos> what work you gonna do
[18:37] <Kilos> IT yes but where
[18:37] <zeref> or the Pop3 server use pop3.vodamail.co.za and for the SMTP server setting, use smtp.vodamail.co.za 
[18:38] <zeref> what bout those?
[18:38] <zeref> but that is for outlook
[18:38] <zeref> myb evolution uses the same
[18:38] <zeref> 1) i'm creating a  tennis game with my homies
[18:39] <zeref> 2) for work, providing opensource applications/soultions to companies
[18:41] <Kilos> you gonna go place to place and do installations for clients as well
[18:41] <Kilos> maybe can supply ubuntu/linux help as well then
[18:41] <zeref> yebo
[18:42] <Kilos> i think thats a big thing. most peeps wouldnt know how to get ubuntu going properly and how to fix probs etc
[18:42] <Kilos> and there are lotsa peeps that hate using winsucks
[18:44] <Kilos> those settings look good ty. will most likely have to add :995 to pop3 and :465 to smtp
[18:44] <Kilos> thanks alot i will give it a go
[18:48] <zeref> kk
[19:04] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you 
[20:21] <inetpro> Eish!
[20:22]  * inetpro is very frustrated
[20:23] <inetpro> after a safe-upgrade and kernel update I suddenly can no longer get x to start properly
[20:24] <inetpro> +some nvidia updates 
[20:25] <inetpro> s/start properly/start/
[20:31] <inetpro> and I'm way to tired to remember past experiences and where to even start to fix this thing