[01:01] <ScottL> Nightrav1n, can you send an email to the -devel mailing list?
[01:01] <ScottL> and thanks for hanging in channel long enough to get a reply ;)
[01:02] <ScottL> Nightrav1n, ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:32]  * micahg should probably subscribe to that
[01:33] <ScottL> micahg, it's not as exciting as you might think ;)
[04:29] <stochastic> Nightrav1n, do you have a link of the image?
[04:53] <micahg> ScottL: BTW, the ubuntustudio-meta upload should fix all the uninstallability except for wine
[04:56] <micahg> well, wine + ia32-libs...
[05:23] <ScottL> micahg, thank you :)
[05:24]  * micahg hasn't done it yet, but still on the list
[05:25]  * micahg goes and and does it
[05:38] <micahg> ScottL: uploaded
[08:12] <falktx> hey there
[08:20] <ailo> good morning falktx 
[08:21] <ailo> Nice day for coding, don't you think?
[08:21] <falktx> ailo: yes!
[08:21] <falktx> I'll finish my canvas stuff and do a final test before cadence gets alpha1, finally
[08:21] <falktx> time to make some music!
[08:23] <ailo> I'm doing some puredata patches myself. Making a custom app for sequencing and recording music.
[08:27] <falktx> nice
[09:40]  * abogani waves all
[09:40] <abogani> ... the jackd realtime threads should run at a priority higher than the standard IRQs but lower than the audio-related ones  ...
[09:41] <abogani> What priority we use for Jackd in Ubuntu Studio?
[09:48] <ailo> abogani, The file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf, which is added when installing jack, has this setting:
[09:48] <ailo> @audio   -  rtprio     95
[09:48] <ailo> @audio   -  memlock    unlimited
[09:49] <ailo> I assume this is what you mean
[09:49] <ailo> Users in "audio" group are able to start jack with these settings
[09:51] <abogani> ailo: Those are upper limits. I meant jackd's command line -P parameter or qjackctl (priority value).
[09:53] <ailo> abogani, There are no added parameter what I am aware of
[09:54] <abogani> ailo: Hmmm so we don't provide a reasonable default value... :-(
[10:01] <ailo> abogani, Ubuntu Studio uses the default settings created by just installing jackd. Performance is good. But, if I do ..
[10:01] <ailo> ps -eo pid,rtprio,ni,pri,comm
[10:01] <ailo>   PID RTPRIO  NI PRI COMMAND
[10:02] <ailo> 24129      -   0  19 jackd
[10:02] <ailo> Is this what you mean?
[10:03] <abogani> ailo: Yes.
[10:03] <ailo> qjackctl has a parameter called "priority" and it is set to "default"
[10:04]  * abogani is wondering about the numeric value of that "default"...
[10:05] <shnatsel> you can look it up in gnome-system-monitor
[10:05] <shnatsel> it's called niceness
[10:05] <shnatsel> negative niceness values mean higher priority
[10:06] <shnatsel> positive niceness means lower priority
[10:06] <shnatsel> -20 is the highest possible priority
[10:06] <shnatsel> 19 is the lowest possible priority
[10:06] <ailo> shnatsel, We're talking about something else
[10:07] <shnatsel> ah
[10:07] <shnatsel> :(
[10:07] <ailo> shnatsel, Are you talking about the qjackctl parameter called "priority"?
[10:07] <shnatsel> not sure about qjackctl, never seen it
[10:08] <shnatsel> but that's what most apps use because it's an OS mechanism
[10:08] <ailo> abogani, changing that parameter does not change anything. Still: "28568      -   0  19 jackd"
[10:09] <ailo> abogani, But, I can see that changing "priority" to 20 causes this commandline argument "jackd -P20"
[10:15] <ailo> abogani, No effect, anyway. But still, good performance
[10:24] <ailo> I'm looking into what the default value might be
[10:25] <abogani> ailo: Thanks, that is very important.
[10:28] <ailo> abogani, I've been told the default value is 10
[15:39] <ScottL> micahg, outstanding!  thank you again :)
[15:41] <ScottL> abogani, ailo , we are looking at adding sane default jack settings this cycle
[15:42] <ScottL> holstein and someone else came up with some but we working on how to implement the settings during installation
[15:42] <abogani> ScottL: ok
[15:43] <ScottL> if there is a particular settings you think should be included please let me know
[15:44] <abogani> ScottL: rtirq set 80 as priority for snd so I *suppose* the right valued should be 79.
[15:45] <ScottL> abogani, i will note that
[15:45] <ScottL> thanks :)
[15:46] <abogani> ScottL: I'm not a Jack expert so please verify my supposition.
[16:01] <scott-upstairs> man, skaet runs a tight meeting for the release team meeting
[16:08] <scott-upstairs> TheMuso, this is cjwatsons response to the preseed issue you and len discussed on the mailing list : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/revision/1728
[16:08] <scott-upstairs> i haven't a clue if this really fixes the problem by simply looking at the code
[16:44] <Nightrav1n> stochastic: yeah sure :) want a pm or shall i post the links to the channel? :)
[17:01] <falktx> scott-upstairs: ScottL: u there?
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> falktx, aye, kinda in a release team meeting but i can probably talk for a bit
[17:01] <scott-upstairs> shoot :)
[17:02] <falktx> scott-upstairs: I really though deeply about what distro I should focus on. it's no doubt Ubuntu needs more work and help, so I guess I'll stick with Ubuntu
[17:02] <scott-upstairs> that's fantastic for us ;)  but i feel that the arch people are going to loose something special then
[17:03] <falktx> Arch users always have AUR
[17:03] <falktx> it's archaudio devs fault for being too slow
[17:03] <falktx> the project is there, but seems stuck :(
[17:03] <falktx> scott-upstairs: anyway, Ubuntu 12.04 should be the focus now
[17:04] <falktx> is anything fully decided on the theme?
[17:04] <falktx> (ie, drop the current one and start a new?)
[17:05] <scott-upstairs> ah, i'm sorry to hear that about the arch progress
[17:58] <ScottL> falktx, i think there is going to be a great deal of development over the next two years for ubuntu studio and i think you could be a big part of that
[17:58] <ScottL> i think this is going to be an exciting time
[18:05] <falktx> ScottL: i'm very sad that linuxsampler is not on Debian though
[18:05] <falktx> no linuxsampler, no openoctave
[18:31] <ScottL> falktx, what can we do to get those applications into debian
[18:32] <falktx> no idea
[18:32] <falktx> I mean
[18:32] <falktx> we need to fully understand why it's not there yet
[18:32] <micahg> http://bugs.debian.org/578787 <-- openoctave
[18:33] <micahg> http://bugs.debian.org/561443 <-- linuxsampler
[18:34] <micahg> linuxsampler just needs someone to run with it
[18:35] <micahg> same with openoctave it seems
[19:03] <falktx> I think it's time to join the debian multimedia team
[19:09] <micahg> falktx: the team welcomes help