| MrChrisDruif | Afternoon | 16:31 |
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| MrChrisDruif | How of it going here? | 16:32 |
| MrChrisDruif | Of =is | 16:33 |
| MrChrisDruif | I've been working on a more proper wiki page for the team. I'll continue to work on it when I'm on my computer | 16:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | ...tonight | 16:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | God, this is awful...typing on my smartphone | 16:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'll be back tonight, ttyl | 16:36 |
| * MrChrisDruif is working on our wiki area | 18:51 | |
| MrChrisDruif | popey; can you remember where they announced working on Ubuntu TV? | 19:20 |
| AlanBell | MrChrisDruif: where is the wiki area? | 19:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV but I'm still working on them | 19:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | AlanBell; ^ | 19:28 |
| AlanBell | yup | 19:31 |
| popey | MrChrisDruif: marks blog | 19:41 |
| popey | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/820 | 19:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | And in the keynote, but I've got my Introduction part ready I think | 19:42 |
| * popey is going to http://www.apps-world.net/europe/workshops/tv-apps-world next week | 19:43 | |
| MrChrisDruif | It was UK based if I'm not mistaken? | 19:46 |
| popey | y | 19:49 |
| popey | London | 19:49 |
| popey | just to be clear though MrChrisDruif we're not 'working on ubuntu tv' | 19:50 |
| popey | it was more mark saying he'd like to be in that space by then | 19:50 |
| MrChrisDruif | Hmmm, what DO we do then? =/ | 19:51 |
| popey | well, we can start looking at stuff now, sure. | 19:52 |
| popey | I'm just saying that when mark made that aspirational blog post, that's what it was, an aspiration | 19:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | But doesn't that mean that we've got "permission" to start looking at what Unity/Ubuntu on the telly should look like? | 19:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | Or are we just a brainstorm group which can get nothing achieved? | 19:55 |
| popey | well the announcement about tv, phone and tablet on the design blog indicated that this was a way to spark discussion. http://design.canonical.com/2011/11/ubuntu-phone-tablet-and-tv-discussion-opened/ | 20:02 |
| popey | and it's certainly done that | 20:02 |
| popey | the list has been quite active with ideas, which is exactly what was asked for ☺ | 20:02 |
| popey | where it goes from here, I don't know, ask Will or Mika I guess. | 20:03 |
| popey | also interesting that the blog post shows not only TV, Phone and Tablet, but IVI too. | 20:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | IVI? | 20:04 |
| popey | http://www.canonical.com/content/canonical-joins-genivi-and-announces-ubuntu-version-vehicle-infotainment | 20:04 |
| MrChrisDruif | Btw, only TV has been active. I've not seen much activity in phone or tablet (I don't think ANY activity in tablet) | 20:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ah, right, what he also showed in his keynote speech. You could see a carputer | 20:06 |
| popey | exactly | 20:06 |
| popey | TV does seem to have captured some imagination | 20:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | Apparently the correct term is IVI | 20:06 |
| popey | tablets and phones less so I guess because the hardware is harder | 20:06 |
| popey | less accessible | 20:06 |
| popey | yeah, IVI because it's not just cars | 20:06 |
| popey | planes.. | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | well tablets would be the desktop OS with multitouch doing useful stuff | 20:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | I would say that TV's are harder in terms of accessibility | 20:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | I was thinking the same. Ubuntu (Desktop) is pretty aimed towards touch input I think | 20:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Maybe some more multi-touch features and it's set. | 20:08 |
| * MrChrisDruif thinks anyway | 20:08 | |
| MrChrisDruif | I WAS thinking about sprucing up the phone mailing-list/IRC after the jump start of TV | 20:09 |
| popey | AlanBell: i am not so sure | 20:10 |
| popey | unity might be okay, but the apps under it aren't at all touch friendly | 20:10 |
| popey | small buttons, lots of menus etc | 20:10 |
| popey | look at thunderbird and imagine what that would be like on a touch interface for example | 20:11 |
| AlanBell | I guess | 20:11 |
| AlanBell | not really used a tablet | 20:11 |
| popey | next time you see me I'll thrust my ipad in your hands | 20:12 |
| popey | its a very different experience | 20:12 |
| AlanBell | ok | 20:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, there could be 2 solutions for that. Either specific tablet/phone apps or make all apps touch friendly | 20:12 |
| popey | everything full screen for one | 20:12 |
| popey | many of the same issues that TV has tbh | 20:12 |
| AlanBell | well with the next generation of tablets having mega high resolution screens that might change things | 20:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | But with the second you get a lot of the desktop users in the wry | 20:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | There are PHONES coming with HD resolutions | 20:13 |
| popey | resolution isnt the issue. the try navigating the gimp menu on a touch device | 20:14 |
| popey | holding your finger, dragging, holding, dragging... oops, i lifted my finger, bam there goes the menu | 20:14 |
| AlanBell | I used to use a desktop os on a tablet computer with a stylus | 20:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | Well, the Gimp isn't exactly the right example with all it's window tbh | 20:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | But "modern" tablets can't use pens, they are capacitive | 20:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | + screens | 20:16 |
| AlanBell | popey: is the ipad just a big iphone? | 20:17 |
| AlanBell | in terms of user interface | 20:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | Pretty much so | 20:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | Same with Android I think | 20:19 |
| AlanBell | so tablets don't really get their own thing | 20:19 |
| MrChrisDruif | How do you mean? | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | they are either a scaled down desktop OS or a scaled up phone OS | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | there isn't a tablet sized OS | 20:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | I was just recalling what I've heard/seen. I think it is pretty much documented on the web | 20:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | I would love a desktop on a tablet which is touch friendly =) | 20:21 |
| MrChrisDruif | But when the tablet os is a scaled-down desktop, it's not touch friendly and the other way around it's not feature-full in my eyes. It's "missing" something | 20:22 |
| MrChrisDruif | But AlanBell, if you are interested in ubuntu-tablet, come join us @ #ubuntu-tablet | 20:25 |
| popey | AlanBell: well, android have tabletified their UI | 20:35 |
| popey | so android 3 and 4 are designed for tablets | 20:35 |
| popey | but 2.x was for phones | 20:35 |
| popey | 2.x and 3.x are arguably merged in 4.x | 20:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | They are | 20:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | It were two OS's until Android 4, which will be released on both phones and tablets | 20:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV is done for now | 20:37 |
| MrChrisDruif | Any comments popey or AlanBell ? | 20:41 |
| popey | will take a look later, just eating my tea :D | 20:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | Is it thát strong? =P | 20:42 |
| dmj726 | Well, there has been some discussion about tablet UI but it was before the current list | 21:17 |
| dmj726 | I think people jumped on the TV because it was the most "out there" and least well defined | 21:17 |
| imnichol | dmj726: That's why I personally got into tv, although it's also just because it seems to have the most active community | 21:18 |
| dmj726 | I think there is a lot of good work done already wrt apps on phones | 21:19 |
| dmj726 | Maemo/Meego did a pretty great job phonifying desktop apps | 21:20 |
| dmj726 | a big thing was making the menus finger friendly | 21:20 |
| dmj726 | That said, the best apps for said device put effort into simplifying the GUI | 21:20 |
| MrChrisDruif | dmj726; imnichol; did you see the new wiki page I created? | 21:27 |
| imnichol | Yeah | 21:28 |
| imnichol | IT looks good, although the link in the "meetings" section is broken | 21:28 |
| imnichol | I'd fix it myself but I'm not familiar with how these pages should be laid out | 21:28 |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; I'm working on that page atm ;-) | 21:34 |
| MrChrisDruif | Almost done (I hope, few more minutes) | 21:35 |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; /Meetings should work now | 22:15 |
| imnichol | Oh righteous | 22:15 |
| imnichol | That's awesome | 22:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yes, the link to the meeting notes is ALSO broken | 22:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | It is next up on the list | 22:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings/20111123 is also functioning now | 22:41 |
| MrChrisDruif | imnichol; ^ Should be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Meetings/20111123 and is now functioning | 22:54 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright, it's on the mailing-list =) | 23:25 |
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