[16:31] Afternoon [16:32] How of it going here? [16:33] Of = is [16:35] I've been working on a more proper wiki page for the team. I'll continue to work on it when I'm on my computer [16:35] ...tonight [16:36] God, this is awful...typing on my smartphone [16:36] I'll be back tonight, ttyl [18:51] * MrChrisDruif is working on our wiki area [19:20] popey; can you remember where they announced working on Ubuntu TV? [19:20] MrChrisDruif: where is the wiki area? [19:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV but I'm still working on them [19:28] AlanBell; ^ [19:31] yup [19:41] MrChrisDruif: marks blog [19:42] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/820 [19:42] And in the keynote, but I've got my Introduction part ready I think [19:43] * popey is going to http://www.apps-world.net/europe/workshops/tv-apps-world next week [19:46] It was UK based if I'm not mistaken? [19:49] y [19:49] London [19:50] just to be clear though MrChrisDruif we're not 'working on ubuntu tv' [19:50] it was more mark saying he'd like to be in that space by then [19:51] Hmmm, what DO we do then? =/ [19:52] well, we can start looking at stuff now, sure. [19:53] I'm just saying that when mark made that aspirational blog post, that's what it was, an aspiration [19:54] But doesn't that mean that we've got "permission" to start looking at what Unity/Ubuntu on the telly should look like? [19:55] Or are we just a brainstorm group which can get nothing achieved? [20:02] well the announcement about tv, phone and tablet on the design blog indicated that this was a way to spark discussion. http://design.canonical.com/2011/11/ubuntu-phone-tablet-and-tv-discussion-opened/ [20:02] and it's certainly done that [20:02] the list has been quite active with ideas, which is exactly what was asked for ☺ [20:03] where it goes from here, I don't know, ask Will or Mika I guess. [20:03] also interesting that the blog post shows not only TV, Phone and Tablet, but IVI too. [20:04] IVI? [20:04] http://www.canonical.com/content/canonical-joins-genivi-and-announces-ubuntu-version-vehicle-infotainment [20:05] Btw, only TV has been active. I've not seen much activity in phone or tablet (I don't think ANY activity in tablet) [20:06] Ah, right, what he also showed in his keynote speech. You could see a carputer [20:06] exactly [20:06] TV does seem to have captured some imagination [20:06] Apparently the correct term is IVI [20:06] tablets and phones less so I guess because the hardware is harder [20:06] less accessible [20:06] yeah, IVI because it's not just cars [20:06] planes.. [20:07] well tablets would be the desktop OS with multitouch doing useful stuff [20:07] I would say that TV's are harder in terms of accessibility [20:08] I was thinking the same. Ubuntu (Desktop) is pretty aimed towards touch input I think [20:08] Maybe some more multi-touch features and it's set. [20:08] * MrChrisDruif thinks anyway [20:09] I WAS thinking about sprucing up the phone mailing-list/IRC after the jump start of TV [20:10] AlanBell: i am not so sure [20:10] unity might be okay, but the apps under it aren't at all touch friendly [20:10] small buttons, lots of menus etc [20:11] look at thunderbird and imagine what that would be like on a touch interface for example [20:11] I guess [20:11] not really used a tablet [20:12] next time you see me I'll thrust my ipad in your hands [20:12] its a very different experience [20:12] ok [20:12] Well, there could be 2 solutions for that. Either specific tablet/phone apps or make all apps touch friendly [20:12] everything full screen for one [20:12] many of the same issues that TV has tbh [20:12] well with the next generation of tablets having mega high resolution screens that might change things [20:12] But with the second you get a lot of the desktop users in the wry [20:13] There are PHONES coming with HD resolutions [20:14] resolution isnt the issue. the try navigating the gimp menu on a touch device [20:14] holding your finger, dragging, holding, dragging... oops, i lifted my finger, bam there goes the menu [20:15] I used to use a desktop os on a tablet computer with a stylus [20:15] Well, the Gimp isn't exactly the right example with all it's window tbh [20:16] But "modern" tablets can't use pens, they are capacitive [20:16] + screens [20:17] popey: is the ipad just a big iphone? [20:17] in terms of user interface [20:19] Pretty much so [20:19] Same with Android I think [20:19] so tablets don't really get their own thing [20:20] How do you mean? [20:20] they are either a scaled down desktop OS or a scaled up phone OS [20:20] there isn't a tablet sized OS [20:20] I was just recalling what I've heard/seen. I think it is pretty much documented on the web [20:21] I would love a desktop on a tablet which is touch friendly =) [20:22] But when the tablet os is a scaled-down desktop, it's not touch friendly and the other way around it's not feature-full in my eyes. It's "missing" something [20:25] But AlanBell, if you are interested in ubuntu-tablet, come join us @ #ubuntu-tablet [20:35] AlanBell: well, android have tabletified their UI [20:35] so android 3 and 4 are designed for tablets [20:35] but 2.x was for phones [20:35] 2.x and 3.x are arguably merged in 4.x [20:35] They are [20:36] It were two OS's until Android 4, which will be released on both phones and tablets [20:37] Alright, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV is done for now [20:41] Any comments popey or AlanBell ? [20:42] will take a look later, just eating my tea :D [20:42] Is it thát strong? =P [21:17] Well, there has been some discussion about tablet UI but it was before the current list [21:17] I think people jumped on the TV because it was the most "out there" and least well defined [21:18] dmj726: That's why I personally got into tv, although it's also just because it seems to have the most active community [21:19] I think there is a lot of good work done already wrt apps on phones [21:20] Maemo/Meego did a pretty great job phonifying desktop apps [21:20] a big thing was making the menus finger friendly [21:20] That said, the best apps for said device put effort into simplifying the GUI [21:27] dmj726; imnichol; did you see the new wiki page I created? [21:28] Yeah [21:28] IT looks good, although the link in the "meetings" section is broken [21:28] I'd fix it myself but I'm not familiar with how these pages should be laid out [21:34] imnichol; I'm working on that page atm ;-) [21:35] Almost done (I hope, few more minutes) [22:15] imnichol; /Meetings should work now [22:15] Oh righteous [22:17] That's awesome [22:17] Yes, the link to the meeting notes is ALSO broken [22:17] It is next up on the list [22:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings/20111123 is also functioning now [22:54] imnichol; ^ Should be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Meetings/20111123 and is now functioning [23:25] Alright, it's on the mailing-list =)