/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/26/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kilosafternoon everyone10:36
Kiloslurkers as well10:36
hibanahello world10:44
Kilosoh my goodness10:44
Kiloshows hibana 10:44
* hibana struggling without a gui again10:44
Kiloswhat happened10:44
hibanakernel updates including nvidia stuffs broke it all10:45
Kiloseish10:45
hibananow I can't even install the new drivers10:45
Kiloswow10:45
hibanaand I even wasted my bandwidth by downloading the latest oneiric iso10:46
Kilosi use the default graphics drivers. had too many bad experiences with nvidia and ati drivers after updating10:46
hibanaafter writing the iso to usb and booting up it hangs at some stage10:46
Kiloseish10:47
hibananow I'm back to try make it work in maverick10:47
Kiloseina. thats why i am still on maverick as well10:48
Kilosmaverick was a good release10:48
* hibana just wish I could use copy and paste on the cli10:48
Kiloslol10:48
hibanathen again I think I can10:48
hibanaahhh...  I just use screen and then I can copy and paste10:52
* hibana busy struggling with NVIDIA-Linux-x86-290.1010:52
Kilosolg graphics card?10:53
Kilosold too10:53
hibanahow can I install linux-restricted-modules?10:54
Kiloson cli?10:54
hibanalinux-restricted-modules is nowhere to be found in the repos10:54
Kiloson maverick?10:54
hibanathe NVIDIA driver requires that10:55
hibanaKilos: yep on maverick10:55
Kilosim checking synaptic10:55
hibanawhen I run the nvidia installer I get to a point where it says "The distribution-provided pre-install script failed!"10:57
Kilosdont see it in synaptic10:57
Kiloswhat does aptitude say10:57
hibanaKilos: nope, it's not there10:58
Kiloseish10:58
nlsthznHi ZA10:59
KilosCouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-restricted-modules"10:59
Kiloscant be in the repos10:59
Kiloshiya nlsthzn 10:59
Kiloshow do you install linux-restricted-modules11:00
tumbleweedhibana: don't run the nvidia installer, install the nvidia drivers through your package manager11:00
Kilosnot in repos11:00
hibanatumbleweed: hmm.. I read that somewhere before11:00
hibanahow do I know what to install11:00
hibanaI had it running perfectly before the upgrade11:01
hibanaand still have some nvidia packages installed11:01
tumbleweedhibana: generally speaking, installing things from the Ubuntu repositories is safe (otherwise the packages wouldn't be in Ubuntu)11:01
tumbleweedbut installing random stuff you download off the internet. Well, who knows what that'll do11:01
hibanatumbleweed: I tend to agree with that11:02
tumbleweeduninstalling the nvidia drivers that nvidia provide is nigh impossible, they aren't designed to ever be uninstalled11:02
hibanatumbleweed: so where do I start? I have not yet installed the NVIDIA version11:03
Kiloshibana, what if you purge and use nouveau drivers11:03
tumbleweedhibana: install the nvidia-current package (if you need nvidia proprietory drivers)11:04
Kiloshiya tumbleweed you been through this before looks like11:04
tumbleweedKilos: yeah, it crops up every now and then11:05
hibanatumbleweed: it is and was installed11:05
Kiloshehe11:05
tumbleweedhibana: and it's not working?11:06
hibanatumbleweed: should I try purging all nvidia packages?11:06
hibanahow do I list installed packages without the description?11:07
hibanawith aptitude11:07
hibanacan I use pastebin on the cli?11:09
Kiloseish11:10
hibanahmm... lunchtime11:12
* hibana wbb11:12
Kilosenjoy11:13
Kilosyou can browse hey?11:13
* hibana is back11:27
Kiloswow that was quick11:27
Kiloscan you browse hibana 11:27
hibanaKilos: I don't want to waste your time :-)11:27
Kilosi asked maaz to google11:27
Kiloslol thats all i got is time11:27
hibanatumbleweed: is there no pastebin app for the cli?11:28
Kilosgot 2 links might help you11:28
hibanaKilos: I can browse with elinks11:29
hibanaor links11:29
hibanaor any of the other textmode browsers11:29
Kiloshttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-edgy-upgrade-common-problems-with-solutions.html11:30
hibanayikes, that's long11:30
Kiloshttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/common-problems-and-solutions-for-nvidia-restricted-drivers-after-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex-upgrade.html11:30
Kilosi dunno how to shorten them11:31
tumbleweedhibana: pastebinit11:31
Kilosthey are old releases though11:31
hibanaKilos: no worriess11:31
hibanatumbleweed: great, thanks11:32
tumbleweedhibana: deleting your xorg.conf should switch you back to nouveau and you should be able to have a working GUI11:33
tumbleweed(err, unless the nvidia driver is still getting loadded early in boot.  I never remember how this all works, and don't have any ubuntu machines here with nvidia)11:34
hibanatumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/XMAbUmzc11:34
hibanathose are all my installed nvidia stuffs11:35
hibanatumbleweed: let me try removing xorg and rebooting... I doubt that it will work... but I can try11:36
hibanabut before I go there11:36
hibanalet me give you my output of lspci11:36
hibanahttp://pastebin.com/LthXF5U311:37
* hibana <3 pastebinit11:37
* hibana wbb11:38
tumbleweedhibana: check for anything blacklisting nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d11:38
hibanahmm... just got that... hang on11:39
hibanatumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/6fpv0bQY11:41
hibanatumbleweed: I guess those should not be blacklisted for now?11:41
tumbleweedif you want nouveau, then yes11:42
tumbleweedand blacklist nvidia instead11:42
hibanaahh... but let me try without xorg.conf first11:43
* hibana wbb11:43
* hibana just started irssi in a screen session on some remote system11:47
* hibana wbb11:47
inetprook I'm back in the GUI but had to use nomodeset11:52
inetprotumbleweed: ^^11:52
tumbleweedthat presumably makes you happier :)11:54
inetprodamn...11:54
inetprobut now how the heck do I get the driver running properly11:55
tumbleweedwhat release are you on? what happened?11:55
inetprotumbleweed: maverick11:55
tumbleweedso, presumably it was the linux security update 5 days ago that broke your setup?11:57
inetprotumbleweed: very possible11:57
inetproto be honest it all started yesterday evening when I switched my laptop on (after hybernating the previous evening)11:59
tumbleweedoh, I thought you said you'd just installed updates?11:59
inetprosuddenly my wireless network was dead11:59
inetproso I plugged in the network cable and did a update12:00
inetprothen the update installed the latest kernel and a long list of other stuffs12:00
inetpromy previous updates were on the 17th according to my logs12:01
inetprowhat is strange is that I've been working on this thing every day since then12:02
tumbleweedI can't see anyone else complaining about similar issues12:02
inetprocat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit -i -  # http://pastebin.com/CKY8LF7712:04
tumbleweednvidia-current 285.05.09-0ubuntu1~maverick~xup112:05
tumbleweedthat's not a version in the official repositories12:05
tumbleweedare you using some crazy PPA?12:06
inetprotumbleweed: hmm...12:06
inetprolet me see12:06
inetprotumbleweed: grep -ih ppa /etc/apt/*/* | egrep -v "^#|^deb-src" | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/mJjyep5312:10
inetprothose are all the ppa's that I use12:10
tumbleweedubuntu-x-swat <- just as I thought12:10
inetpronot sure where I got ubuntu-x-swat from12:10
tumbleweedthere's a package called ppa-purge that can help clean that sort of thing up12:11
tumbleweedwhen yo uare getting something as core as a graphics driver from a PPA, expect occasional breakage12:12
tumbleweedkernel updates have massive QA doen before they ship12:12
tumbleweedbut nobody 's going to check them against drivers in PPAs12:12
inetproyikes12:13
inetproobviously12:13
* inetpro running ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates12:18
inetprotumbleweed: thanks for the help so far12:19
inetprook, I guess this calls for a renoot?12:21
inetproreboot*12:21
Kiloslol12:21
inetproEish! 12:23
Kiloswhat now12:23
inetproInetpro on mobile 12:23
Kilosoh my12:24
inetproScreen still with big white blocks as before 12:24
Kiloseina12:25
inetproNeed to start with nomodeset 12:27
tumbleweedinetpro: you may need to rebuild your initrd12:28
inetprook... back online with yucky resolution12:28
inetprotumbleweed: how?12:29
tumbleweeddid you reverse the blacklistings yet?12:29
inetprono 12:29
tumbleweedfirst do that12:30
tumbleweedthen run update-initramfs -u12:30
inetprohmm... hang on12:31
inetproin /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf I have the following12:31
inetproblacklist nouveau12:31
inetproblacklist lbm-nouveau12:31
inetproblacklist nvidia-17312:31
inetproblacklist nvidia-9612:31
inetprotumbleweed: what do you suggest I do?12:32
tumbleweedsounds good12:32
inetproshould I run  update-initramfs -u ?12:33
tumbleweederr, maybe you want to unblacklist the nvidia-* ones first12:33
inetproahh.. I thought so12:33
inetprook, hang on12:33
inetproRebooting 12:34
inetproEish! No... 12:35
inetproSame thing12:35
inetprotumbleweed: next step?12:38
* inetpro reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual12:42
inetproagain12:43
tumbleweedinetpro: dmesg output, please12:48
inetpro# dmesg | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/JCAG0HuF12:49
tumbleweedthe nvidia driver never loaded12:50
tumbleweeddoes modprobe nvidia load it?12:51
tumbleweedyou have a very noisy wireless card :P12:51
tumbleweedoh, sorry, nouveau loaded12:51
inetprotumbleweed: true12:51
tumbleweedI thought you blacklisted it?12:51
inetprohmm... I have12:51
tumbleweedand then regenerated the initramfs, right?12:52
tumbleweedit loaded during initramfs execution12:52
inetprotumbleweed: nope, have not done that12:53
inetprohang on12:53
inetprotumbleweed: guess I should reboot again?12:54
tumbleweedyes12:54
inetprono, same thing 12:57
inetpro# dmesg | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/J9ic0Vr012:58
inetpro# cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc.conf 13:01
inetproalias char-major-195* nvidia13:01
inetprooptions nvidia NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=44 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=066013:02
inetpro# cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf 13:02
inetproblacklist nouveau13:02
inetproblacklist lbm-nouveau13:02
inetpro#blacklist nvidia-17313:02
inetpro#blacklist nvidia-9613:02
tumbleweedwhat was the output when you regenerated teh initramfs?13:03
tumbleweed(do it again)13:03
inetpro# update-initramfs -u13:03
inetproupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-31-generic13:03
inetprotaht's it13:03
tumbleweedhrm, seems right13:04
inetprotumbleweed: you wanna see the verbose output ?13:05
tumbleweedsure13:05
inetprohttp://pastebin.com/JbfE0qqS13:05
tumbleweedclearly I'm missing something, but I can't see what13:08
inetprotumbleweed: if we can fix this in the standard ubuntu I'm sure we will have a lot of other happy customers13:10
tumbleweedinetpro: it's not a problem in standard ubuntu13:11
inetproI tried the latest version of ubuntu13:11
inetproit does the same thing13:11
inetproI can start with a clean install if you want13:11
tumbleweedand then enabled a ppa with the lastest X crack13:11
tumbleweedI'm sure the solution to the problem in front of you right now is simple, but I'm afraid that I can't see it13:12
tumbleweedmaybe a clean install is your easiest way out13:13
inetproI have Ubuntu Oneiric with me on another usb disk13:13
inetprosadly my kubuntu one doesn't work 13:13
inetprook, let me get that going 13:13
inetproI'll be back after installing quassel-client13:14
inetprotime for me to play with unity13:14
inetproI'll call missionX13:17
inetproStarting 13:19
inetproHmm13:19
inetproStarting installation with nomodeset 13:20
inetproEish... 13:25
inetproubiquity takes for ever and then crashes 13:27
inetproI'm stumped! Will have to find something else. 13:31
tumbleweedwhy are you using nomodeset everywhere?13:31
inetproWhat can I use if otherwise I can not get into the gui? 13:32
tumbleweedthat sounds like you may have bigger problems13:33
tumbleweednouveau should support that card just fine13:33
inetproI just get a big maze of white blocks on the screen if I don't use nomodeset 13:34
inetproAnd so do colleagues with the same hardware 13:34
tumbleweedfrom the live CD?13:35
inetproYep 13:35
tumbleweedwhat hardware?13:35
inetproMecer13:36
inetproModel: W86CU13:36
tumbleweedthat looks rather like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/65773613:43
inetproVery similar yes 13:46
Kiloseish inetpro this is a stinker hey?14:15
inetproKilos: I will win it in the end 14:28
Kilosits hard to understand how this happens when it was working before14:29
inetprowatch this space14:31
Kilosok14:35
inetproKilos: the only problem is that there's other life as well14:53
Kiloslol14:54
* inetpro trying to resize my casper-rw loop file14:54
inetprothink that is what's killing ubiquity14:55
* inetpro found http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-create-a-larger-casper-rw-loop-file/14:55
Kilosyou having this prob on a clean install?14:55
inetproKilos: I'm not even there yet14:56
inetprothe installer crashes14:56
Kilosmaverick as well?14:56
inetprono oneiric but it has nothing to do with the distro or version14:57
inetproI installed some additional stuffs on the live disk14:57
Kilosyou added stuff to the iso then burned a cd?14:58
inetprono14:59
inetprowhile running off the live cd I installed stuff14:59
Kilosso what additional stuff then?14:59
inetpros/live cd/live usb disk/14:59
Kilosok15:00
Kilosbut clean install will forst format then start to install15:00
inetprolike gnome-tweak-* screen, ++15:00
Kilosi lost now15:00
inetproKilos: you can run your OS from a live disk without installing15:01
Kilosdidnt know you can install stuff then clean install15:01
Kilosyes15:01
inetproa usb drive is rw15:01
inetproread and write15:02
Kilosbut dont you first have to mount the drive then do that15:02
inetproKilos: heh, it's mounted during the boot process15:02
Kilosis it if you are running from the live cd?15:03
Kilosi had to manually mount from live cd to fix grub15:03
inetproKilos: yes, while running on the live cd I installed additional stuff15:11
inetpros/cd/usb/15:11
inetproKilos: the stuff that gets installed on the live disk lives in a file called casper-rw on the CD or the USB 15:17
Kilosah15:17
inetprothat file is actually just another raw partition15:17
inetproor another ISO in itself15:18
inetprook the problem with ubiquity crashing was not the size15:32
* inetpro busy running apt-get upgrade on the bigger live disk15:33
inetproperhaps that will sort it15:33
inetprohmm... this will take a while... now on 30%15:39
Kilossjoe16:05
nlsthznHi all... seems my first install of Wordpress is now finally working \o/16:16
superflyohi nlsthzn16:16
nlsthznhey superfly :) 16:16
superflyI don't know WordPress anymore... I know Drupal better, so these days it's easier and faster to do what I want in Drupal16:17
nlsthznCool, I don't know any of them... this is my first "server" etc...16:19
Kiloshi nlsthzn superfly 16:24
nlsthznHi again uncle Kilos 16:39
Kiloshehe16:39
Kilosgoosie wen jy??16:44
Kilosinetpro, ^^16:45
Kiloshibana, ^^16:45
KilosMaaz, coffee on16:46
* Maaz puts the kettle on16:46
nlsthznMaaz, tea please16:47
MaazAs soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already16:47
nlsthznthanks Maaz 16:47
Kilos4 more days nlsthzn 16:48
nlsthzn\o/16:48
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!16:50
KilosMaaz, ty16:50
MaazEnjoy Kilos16:50
nlsthznMaaz, thanks16:50
Maaznlsthzn: Okay :-)16:50
Kiloslooks like inetpro has blown up his pc or else gone fishing17:49
inetproeish Kilos17:53
inetprohad to fetch kids and have dinner and all kinds of stuff in between17:54
Kiloswat gaan aan boetie17:54
Kiloslol ok17:54
inetproupdates take way to much space17:54
inetpro1GB is not enough these days17:55
Kilosare you updating the usb drive?17:55
inetproKilos: yep and the thing was full again17:55
Kiloseish17:55
inetprodid some cleaning and broke libreoffice17:55
inetprothought I would get away with that17:56
Kiloswhy not install and get it working then use remastersys to burn a dvd of your whole system17:56
inetprobut ubiquity wants everything up to date before it will be happy17:56
Kiloseish17:57
* inetpro learned the hard way now17:57
inetprodon't let the system learn about new updates17:57
Kilosand its all bandwidth lost every time17:57
inetproor it will want them all17:57
Kilosthats part of the reason i turned off updates17:58
inetprobut Kilos I must say the new ubuntu looks like you can work with it17:58
Kilosfirefox alone used to kill me17:58
Kilosunity?17:58
inetproyep17:58
inetprobut gimme some time before I tell you that it's nice17:59
Kiloslol17:59
Kilosgnome is nice17:59
Kilosnight all. have a good successful evening and sleep tight18:39
nlsthznGood night ZA18:43
inetproeish... I give up for now with installing ubuntu19:01
inetproubiquity keeps crashing even after everything is updated19:01
* inetpro is back on a kubuntu with yucky resolution19:02
inetproam contemplating installing SUSE or something else19:04
inetproor mint19:04
inetprojust can't waste to much bandwidth right now19:04
inetprohmm... what's wrong with za.archive.ubuntu.com again?19:11
Kerberono idea19:11
Kerberobut i saw that too19:11
Kerberothought it was our network19:11
inetprowhat other local repos do we have?19:12
Kerberoftp.sun.ac.za19:12
inetprothanks19:13
Kerberonp19:13
Kerberoftp.sun is my primary repo19:14
Kerberomirror.ac fallback19:14
inetprocan I use variables in the sources.list file?19:14
inetprobad idea to replace all those lines every time you want to change a repo19:14
Kerberocopy paste19:15
Kerberogedit -> replace19:15
Kerberolol19:15
superflyinetpro: sources.list.mirror, sources.list.sun, etc19:19
superflythen just symlink the one you want19:19
inetprosuperfly: hang on please go slow there19:20
inetproI'm very tired of struggling by now :-(19:20
inetprosuperfly: please explain that19:20
superflyinetpro: create separate files, so that each file contains that particular repo19:20
inetproahh19:21
superflyso, sources.list.sun contains the ftp.sun.ac.za repo19:21
superflythen you just create sources.list as a symlink to the particular one you want19:21
inetproI gues the sun repos need to have ftp:// in front?19:21
inetproeish19:23
inetproI can't even get to ftp.sun.ac.za19:24
inetproTelkom routing ftl!19:24
inetproHOP 13  146.232.65.10  179.620 ms !X  178.880 ms !X  170.909 ms !X19:24
inetprotumbleweed: now here's something I ddn't get before19:31
inetprohttp://pastebin.com/91BNrCyE19:31
* inetpro going to try rebooting again19:32
inetprodamn!19:34
inetpronow I need to make sure about this19:34
inetproit started without having to do nomodeset19:34
inetprobut it was as if I had it set19:35
inetprobad resolution... everything big19:35
inetpronow if only tumbleweed was still around19:35
inetprothat is after I set the repo to just archive.ubuntu.com19:37
inetproperhaps za.archive may have played a role in messing up my working system?19:37
inetprotumbleweed: my new dmesg >> http://pastebin.com/6rm0NuDE19:42
inetpronow where do I find linux-source-2.6.35-31-generic 19:55
inetprofor maverick19:55
superflyinetpro: did you try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/657736/comments/45 ?20:10
inetprosuperfly: where do I find the Additional Drivers feature? 20:11
superflyinetpro: Kubuntu? K menu -> Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers20:12
inetprosuperfly: ahh... 20:13
inetprodoing that now20:13
inetprosuperfly: no20:15
inetproit found two drivers, NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver and Software modem20:15
inetproboth are perfectly installed and currently in use20:16
inetprobut I noticed something else20:16
inetproon that same menu I see NVIDIA X server settings20:17
inetprowhen I open that I get "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server."20:17
superflyinetpro: try that20:19
inetprohave now run that with 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' and am about to restart20:19
inetproUsing X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".20:19
inetproBacked up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'20:19
inetproNew X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'20:19
inetprowalla!20:20
inetproor rather VOILLA!20:21
superflyja, was about to say so20:21
inetproUNBELIEVALBLE! That I had to struggle like this20:22
inetprotumbleweed, superfly: Thanks for all your help20:23
superflynp20:28
* hibana going in deep sleep mode again21:34
KerberoSymmetria: mirror.ac.za seems down21:40
inetproKerbero: hmm... we need to teach Maaz the email address for the NOC at Tenet21:46
Kerbero hehe21:46
Kerberoyeah21:46
Kerberobut symmetria said he will still have access to mirror21:46
inetprosure, but he's not been very accessible lately21:47
Kerberotrue that21:48
inetprogood night everyone21:49

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