[10:36] afternoon everyone [10:36] lurkers as well [10:44] hello world [10:44] oh my goodness [10:44] hows hibana [10:44] * hibana struggling without a gui again [10:44] what happened [10:45] kernel updates including nvidia stuffs broke it all [10:45] eish [10:45] now I can't even install the new drivers [10:45] wow [10:46] and I even wasted my bandwidth by downloading the latest oneiric iso [10:46] i use the default graphics drivers. had too many bad experiences with nvidia and ati drivers after updating [10:46] after writing the iso to usb and booting up it hangs at some stage [10:47] eish [10:47] now I'm back to try make it work in maverick [10:48] eina. thats why i am still on maverick as well [10:48] maverick was a good release [10:48] * hibana just wish I could use copy and paste on the cli [10:48] lol [10:48] then again I think I can [10:52] ahhh... I just use screen and then I can copy and paste [10:52] * hibana busy struggling with NVIDIA-Linux-x86-290.10 [10:53] olg graphics card? [10:53] old too [10:54] how can I install linux-restricted-modules? [10:54] on cli? [10:54] linux-restricted-modules is nowhere to be found in the repos [10:54] on maverick? [10:55] the NVIDIA driver requires that [10:55] Kilos: yep on maverick [10:55] im checking synaptic [10:57] when I run the nvidia installer I get to a point where it says "The distribution-provided pre-install script failed!" [10:57] dont see it in synaptic [10:57] what does aptitude say [10:58] Kilos: nope, it's not there [10:58] eish [10:59] Hi ZA [10:59] Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-restricted-modules" [10:59] cant be in the repos [10:59] hiya nlsthzn [11:00] how do you install linux-restricted-modules [11:00] hibana: don't run the nvidia installer, install the nvidia drivers through your package manager [11:00] not in repos [11:00] tumbleweed: hmm.. I read that somewhere before [11:00] how do I know what to install [11:01] I had it running perfectly before the upgrade [11:01] and still have some nvidia packages installed [11:01] hibana: generally speaking, installing things from the Ubuntu repositories is safe (otherwise the packages wouldn't be in Ubuntu) [11:01] but installing random stuff you download off the internet. Well, who knows what that'll do [11:02] tumbleweed: I tend to agree with that [11:02] uninstalling the nvidia drivers that nvidia provide is nigh impossible, they aren't designed to ever be uninstalled [11:03] tumbleweed: so where do I start? I have not yet installed the NVIDIA version [11:03] hibana, what if you purge and use nouveau drivers [11:04] hibana: install the nvidia-current package (if you need nvidia proprietory drivers) [11:04] hiya tumbleweed you been through this before looks like [11:05] Kilos: yeah, it crops up every now and then [11:05] tumbleweed: it is and was installed [11:05] hehe [11:06] hibana: and it's not working? [11:06] tumbleweed: should I try purging all nvidia packages? [11:07] how do I list installed packages without the description? [11:07] with aptitude [11:09] can I use pastebin on the cli? [11:10] eish [11:12] hmm... lunchtime [11:12] * hibana wbb [11:13] enjoy [11:13] you can browse hey? [11:27] * hibana is back [11:27] wow that was quick [11:27] can you browse hibana [11:27] Kilos: I don't want to waste your time :-) [11:27] i asked maaz to google [11:27] lol thats all i got is time [11:28] tumbleweed: is there no pastebin app for the cli? [11:28] got 2 links might help you [11:29] Kilos: I can browse with elinks [11:29] or links [11:29] or any of the other textmode browsers [11:30] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-edgy-upgrade-common-problems-with-solutions.html [11:30] yikes, that's long [11:30] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/common-problems-and-solutions-for-nvidia-restricted-drivers-after-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex-upgrade.html [11:31] i dunno how to shorten them [11:31] hibana: pastebinit [11:31] they are old releases though [11:31] Kilos: no worriess [11:32] tumbleweed: great, thanks [11:33] hibana: deleting your xorg.conf should switch you back to nouveau and you should be able to have a working GUI [11:34] (err, unless the nvidia driver is still getting loadded early in boot. I never remember how this all works, and don't have any ubuntu machines here with nvidia) [11:34] tumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/XMAbUmzc [11:35] those are all my installed nvidia stuffs [11:36] tumbleweed: let me try removing xorg and rebooting... I doubt that it will work... but I can try [11:36] but before I go there [11:36] let me give you my output of lspci [11:37] http://pastebin.com/LthXF5U3 [11:37] * hibana <3 pastebinit [11:38] * hibana wbb [11:38] hibana: check for anything blacklisting nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d [11:39] hmm... just got that... hang on [11:41] tumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/6fpv0bQY [11:41] tumbleweed: I guess those should not be blacklisted for now? [11:42] if you want nouveau, then yes [11:42] and blacklist nvidia instead [11:43] ahh... but let me try without xorg.conf first [11:43] * hibana wbb [11:47] * hibana just started irssi in a screen session on some remote system [11:47] * hibana wbb [11:52] ok I'm back in the GUI but had to use nomodeset [11:52] tumbleweed: ^^ [11:54] that presumably makes you happier :) [11:54] damn... [11:55] but now how the heck do I get the driver running properly [11:55] what release are you on? what happened? [11:55] tumbleweed: maverick [11:57] so, presumably it was the linux security update 5 days ago that broke your setup? [11:57] tumbleweed: very possible [11:59] to be honest it all started yesterday evening when I switched my laptop on (after hybernating the previous evening) [11:59] oh, I thought you said you'd just installed updates? [11:59] suddenly my wireless network was dead [12:00] so I plugged in the network cable and did a update [12:00] then the update installed the latest kernel and a long list of other stuffs [12:01] my previous updates were on the 17th according to my logs [12:02] what is strange is that I've been working on this thing every day since then [12:02] I can't see anyone else complaining about similar issues [12:04] cat /var/log/dpkg.log | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/CKY8LF77 [12:05] nvidia-current 285.05.09-0ubuntu1~maverick~xup1 [12:05] that's not a version in the official repositories [12:06] are you using some crazy PPA? [12:06] tumbleweed: hmm... [12:06] let me see [12:10] tumbleweed: grep -ih ppa /etc/apt/*/* | egrep -v "^#|^deb-src" | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/mJjyep53 [12:10] those are all the ppa's that I use [12:10] ubuntu-x-swat <- just as I thought [12:10] not sure where I got ubuntu-x-swat from [12:11] there's a package called ppa-purge that can help clean that sort of thing up [12:12] when yo uare getting something as core as a graphics driver from a PPA, expect occasional breakage [12:12] kernel updates have massive QA doen before they ship [12:12] but nobody 's going to check them against drivers in PPAs [12:13] yikes [12:13] obviously [12:18] * inetpro running ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates [12:19] tumbleweed: thanks for the help so far [12:21] ok, I guess this calls for a renoot? [12:21] reboot* [12:21] lol [12:23] Eish! [12:23] what now [12:23] Inetpro on mobile [12:24] oh my [12:24] Screen still with big white blocks as before [12:25] eina [12:27] Need to start with nomodeset [12:28] inetpro: you may need to rebuild your initrd [12:28] ok... back online with yucky resolution [12:29] tumbleweed: how? [12:29] did you reverse the blacklistings yet? [12:29] no [12:30] first do that [12:30] then run update-initramfs -u [12:31] hmm... hang on [12:31] in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf I have the following [12:31] blacklist nouveau [12:31] blacklist lbm-nouveau [12:31] blacklist nvidia-173 [12:31] blacklist nvidia-96 [12:32] tumbleweed: what do you suggest I do? [12:32] sounds good [12:33] should I run update-initramfs -u ? [12:33] err, maybe you want to unblacklist the nvidia-* ones first [12:33] ahh.. I thought so [12:33] ok, hang on [12:34] Rebooting [12:35] Eish! No... [12:35] Same thing [12:38] tumbleweed: next step? [12:42] * inetpro reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual [12:43] again [12:48] inetpro: dmesg output, please [12:49] # dmesg | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/JCAG0HuF [12:50] the nvidia driver never loaded [12:51] does modprobe nvidia load it? [12:51] you have a very noisy wireless card :P [12:51] oh, sorry, nouveau loaded [12:51] tumbleweed: true [12:51] I thought you blacklisted it? [12:51] hmm... I have [12:52] and then regenerated the initramfs, right? [12:52] it loaded during initramfs execution [12:53] tumbleweed: nope, have not done that [12:53] hang on [12:54] tumbleweed: guess I should reboot again? [12:54] yes [12:57] no, same thing [12:58] # dmesg | pastebinit -i - # http://pastebin.com/J9ic0Vr0 [13:01] # cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc.conf [13:01] alias char-major-195* nvidia [13:02] options nvidia NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_DeviceFileGID=44 NVreg_DeviceFileMode=0660 [13:02] # cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf [13:02] blacklist nouveau [13:02] blacklist lbm-nouveau [13:02] #blacklist nvidia-173 [13:02] #blacklist nvidia-96 [13:03] what was the output when you regenerated teh initramfs? [13:03] (do it again) [13:03] # update-initramfs -u [13:03] update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-31-generic [13:03] taht's it [13:04] hrm, seems right [13:05] tumbleweed: you wanna see the verbose output ? [13:05] sure [13:05] http://pastebin.com/JbfE0qqS [13:08] clearly I'm missing something, but I can't see what [13:10] tumbleweed: if we can fix this in the standard ubuntu I'm sure we will have a lot of other happy customers [13:11] inetpro: it's not a problem in standard ubuntu [13:11] I tried the latest version of ubuntu [13:11] it does the same thing [13:11] I can start with a clean install if you want [13:11] and then enabled a ppa with the lastest X crack [13:12] I'm sure the solution to the problem in front of you right now is simple, but I'm afraid that I can't see it [13:13] maybe a clean install is your easiest way out [13:13] I have Ubuntu Oneiric with me on another usb disk [13:13] sadly my kubuntu one doesn't work [13:13] ok, let me get that going [13:14] I'll be back after installing quassel-client [13:14] time for me to play with unity [13:17] I'll call missionX [13:19] Starting [13:19] Hmm [13:20] Starting installation with nomodeset [13:25] Eish... [13:27] ubiquity takes for ever and then crashes [13:31] I'm stumped! Will have to find something else. [13:31] why are you using nomodeset everywhere? [13:32] What can I use if otherwise I can not get into the gui? [13:33] that sounds like you may have bigger problems [13:33] nouveau should support that card just fine [13:34] I just get a big maze of white blocks on the screen if I don't use nomodeset [13:34] And so do colleagues with the same hardware [13:35] from the live CD? [13:35] Yep [13:35] what hardware? [13:36] Mecer [13:36] Model: W86CU [13:43] that looks rather like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/657736 [13:46] Very similar yes [14:15] eish inetpro this is a stinker hey? [14:28] Kilos: I will win it in the end [14:29] its hard to understand how this happens when it was working before [14:31] watch this space [14:35] ok [14:53] Kilos: the only problem is that there's other life as well [14:54] lol [14:54] * inetpro trying to resize my casper-rw loop file [14:55] think that is what's killing ubiquity [14:55] * inetpro found http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-create-a-larger-casper-rw-loop-file/ [14:55] you having this prob on a clean install? [14:56] Kilos: I'm not even there yet [14:56] the installer crashes [14:56] maverick as well? [14:57] no oneiric but it has nothing to do with the distro or version [14:57] I installed some additional stuffs on the live disk [14:58] you added stuff to the iso then burned a cd? [14:59] no [14:59] while running off the live cd I installed stuff [14:59] so what additional stuff then? [14:59] s/live cd/live usb disk/ [15:00] ok [15:00] but clean install will forst format then start to install [15:00] like gnome-tweak-* screen, ++ [15:00] i lost now [15:01] Kilos: you can run your OS from a live disk without installing [15:01] didnt know you can install stuff then clean install [15:01] yes [15:01] a usb drive is rw [15:02] read and write [15:02] but dont you first have to mount the drive then do that [15:02] Kilos: heh, it's mounted during the boot process [15:03] is it if you are running from the live cd? [15:03] i had to manually mount from live cd to fix grub [15:11] Kilos: yes, while running on the live cd I installed additional stuff [15:11] s/cd/usb/ [15:17] Kilos: the stuff that gets installed on the live disk lives in a file called casper-rw on the CD or the USB [15:17] ah [15:17] that file is actually just another raw partition [15:18] or another ISO in itself [15:32] ok the problem with ubiquity crashing was not the size [15:33] * inetpro busy running apt-get upgrade on the bigger live disk [15:33] perhaps that will sort it [15:39] hmm... this will take a while... now on 30% [16:05] sjoe [16:16] Hi all... seems my first install of Wordpress is now finally working \o/ [16:16] ohi nlsthzn [16:16] hey superfly :) [16:17] I don't know WordPress anymore... I know Drupal better, so these days it's easier and faster to do what I want in Drupal [16:19] Cool, I don't know any of them... this is my first "server" etc... [16:24] hi nlsthzn superfly [16:39] Hi again uncle Kilos [16:39] hehe [16:44] goosie wen jy?? [16:45] inetpro, ^^ [16:45] hibana, ^^ [16:46] Maaz, coffee on [16:46] * Maaz puts the kettle on [16:47] Maaz, tea please [16:47] As soon as the kettle boils I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already [16:47] thanks Maaz [16:48] 4 more days nlsthzn [16:48] \o/ [16:50] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [16:50] Maaz, ty [16:50] Enjoy Kilos [16:50] Maaz, thanks [16:50] nlsthzn: Okay :-) [17:49] looks like inetpro has blown up his pc or else gone fishing [17:53] eish Kilos [17:54] had to fetch kids and have dinner and all kinds of stuff in between [17:54] wat gaan aan boetie [17:54] lol ok [17:54] updates take way to much space [17:55] 1GB is not enough these days [17:55] are you updating the usb drive? [17:55] Kilos: yep and the thing was full again [17:55] eish [17:55] did some cleaning and broke libreoffice [17:56] thought I would get away with that [17:56] why not install and get it working then use remastersys to burn a dvd of your whole system [17:56] but ubiquity wants everything up to date before it will be happy [17:57] eish [17:57] * inetpro learned the hard way now [17:57] don't let the system learn about new updates [17:57] and its all bandwidth lost every time [17:57] or it will want them all [17:58] thats part of the reason i turned off updates [17:58] but Kilos I must say the new ubuntu looks like you can work with it [17:58] firefox alone used to kill me [17:58] unity? [17:58] yep [17:59] but gimme some time before I tell you that it's nice [17:59] lol [17:59] gnome is nice [18:39] night all. have a good successful evening and sleep tight [18:43] Good night ZA [19:01] eish... I give up for now with installing ubuntu [19:01] ubiquity keeps crashing even after everything is updated [19:02] * inetpro is back on a kubuntu with yucky resolution [19:04] am contemplating installing SUSE or something else [19:04] or mint [19:04] just can't waste to much bandwidth right now [19:11] hmm... what's wrong with za.archive.ubuntu.com again? [19:11] no idea [19:11] but i saw that too [19:11] thought it was our network [19:12] what other local repos do we have? [19:12] ftp.sun.ac.za [19:13] thanks [19:13] np [19:14] ftp.sun is my primary repo [19:14] mirror.ac fallback [19:14] can I use variables in the sources.list file? [19:14] bad idea to replace all those lines every time you want to change a repo [19:15] copy paste [19:15] gedit -> replace [19:15] lol [19:19] inetpro: sources.list.mirror, sources.list.sun, etc [19:19] then just symlink the one you want [19:20] superfly: hang on please go slow there [19:20] I'm very tired of struggling by now :-( [19:20] superfly: please explain that [19:20] inetpro: create separate files, so that each file contains that particular repo [19:21] ahh [19:21] so, sources.list.sun contains the ftp.sun.ac.za repo [19:21] then you just create sources.list as a symlink to the particular one you want [19:21] I gues the sun repos need to have ftp:// in front? [19:23] eish [19:24] I can't even get to ftp.sun.ac.za [19:24] Telkom routing ftl! [19:24] HOP 13 146.232.65.10 179.620 ms !X 178.880 ms !X 170.909 ms !X [19:31] tumbleweed: now here's something I ddn't get before [19:31] http://pastebin.com/91BNrCyE [19:32] * inetpro going to try rebooting again [19:34] damn! [19:34] now I need to make sure about this [19:34] it started without having to do nomodeset [19:35] but it was as if I had it set [19:35] bad resolution... everything big [19:35] now if only tumbleweed was still around [19:37] that is after I set the repo to just archive.ubuntu.com [19:37] perhaps za.archive may have played a role in messing up my working system? [19:42] tumbleweed: my new dmesg >> http://pastebin.com/6rm0NuDE [19:55] now where do I find linux-source-2.6.35-31-generic [19:55] for maverick [20:10] inetpro: did you try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/657736/comments/45 ? [20:11] superfly: where do I find the Additional Drivers feature? [20:12] inetpro: Kubuntu? K menu -> Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers [20:13] superfly: ahh... [20:13] doing that now [20:15] superfly: no [20:15] it found two drivers, NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver and Software modem [20:16] both are perfectly installed and currently in use [20:16] but I noticed something else [20:17] on that same menu I see NVIDIA X server settings [20:17] when I open that I get "You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server." [20:19] inetpro: try that [20:19] have now run that with 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' and am about to restart [20:19] Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". [20:19] Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup' [20:19] New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' [20:20] walla! [20:21] or rather VOILLA! [20:21] ja, was about to say so [20:22] UNBELIEVALBLE! That I had to struggle like this [20:23] tumbleweed, superfly: Thanks for all your help [20:28] np [21:34] * hibana going in deep sleep mode again [21:40] Symmetria: mirror.ac.za seems down [21:46] Kerbero: hmm... we need to teach Maaz the email address for the NOC at Tenet [21:46] hehe [21:46] yeah [21:46] but symmetria said he will still have access to mirror [21:47]