| ailo | falktx, linux-sampler is non free | 07:54 |
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| ailo | It has a limitation to it's license which makes it impossible to add it Debian | 07:54 |
| ailo | That's what I've been led to believe at least | 07:54 |
| ailo | It's GPL, but with an addition | 07:54 |
| falktx | ailo: consider this: | 07:56 |
| falktx | skype and sun-java are in debian | 07:56 |
| falktx | linuxsampler, just because of a tiny expection is not? | 07:56 |
| falktx | it makes no sense to me | 07:57 |
| ailo | falktx, You could take it up with Debian people. I'm sure it would have been in their repo a long time ago | 07:57 |
| ailo | Otherwise | 07:57 |
| falktx | debian is too strict | 07:57 |
| ailo | I think they added the limitation to prevent it to be sold as a of hardware | 07:57 |
| ailo | as a part of hardware, I mean | 07:57 |
| falktx | ailo: take for example audacious, they removed some code simply because the headers did not mentioned the license | 07:58 |
| ailo | falktx, Debian is debian. There are other distros that will include linux-sampler | 07:58 |
| falktx | that is bullshit to me | 07:58 |
| falktx | this is why I love arch | 07:59 |
| ailo | I like Debian, because they are strict | 07:59 |
| ailo | I can trust it | 07:59 |
| falktx | it's the same thing as with GPL | 08:00 |
| ailo | Doing things anyway you want is not trustworthy | 08:00 |
| falktx | its cool enough, but once you start thinking commercially, there's nothing worst | 08:00 |
| falktx | ailo: afaik, they could simply show the license when installing, like they do for java and ms-fonts | 08:01 |
| falktx | I just think they are not very interested, that's all | 08:01 |
| ailo | falktx, Talk with the multimedia team. I'm sure they're quite interested in linux-sampler | 08:02 |
| ailo | It's been around for a long time | 08:02 |
| falktx | ailo: I will soon, take my word | 08:02 |
| knome | ScottL, what's the status with including social media in the new website? you still want that? | 12:10 |
| ScottL | knome, i think including it would be good, just to show that people are talking about it | 14:21 |
| ScottL | but i'll poke stochastic about his feelings since he was the one who started questioning it | 14:22 |
| ScottL | knome, btw, i hope to work on the website today now that i'm feeling better and holiday is (more or less) over | 14:23 |
| knome | ScottL, great! let me know if there is something you need help with and i'll see if i can fix that right away | 16:04 |
| holstein | i feel like as long as we state the purpose of the social media, and our understanding of why it would be opposed, all should be good | 16:39 |
| holstein | "we understand that the use of such services can be controversial in an open community, however, we feel this is a necessary evil to reach users who are not aware of US" | 16:40 |
| ailo | holstein, ScottL Check out diaspora | 17:52 |
| ailo | No need for facebook, or twitter | 17:52 |
| ailo | diaspora is free | 17:52 |
| holstein | yeah, but its got to be something folks use, or it defeats the purpose | 17:53 |
| holstein | does it link up with facebag? or twite? | 17:53 |
| ailo | https://diasp.org/ | 17:53 |
| ailo | I hear google+ based some of their stuff on this | 17:53 |
| ailo | You can link it up with facebook at least, but it's still alpha | 17:54 |
| ailo | There are "pods" available for anyone to use | 17:54 |
| holstein | i think its got to be easily accesible from the popular ones | 17:54 |
| ailo | You can also install your own pod on your own server if you like | 17:54 |
| ailo | holstein, Just have a look first, ok? | 17:55 |
| holstein | of course, we can individually "social-media" about it | 17:55 |
| holstein | we dont have to have it | 17:55 |
| ailo | It's still alpha, but it's pretty good | 17:55 |
| holstein | ailo: well, if its not facebook/twitter, it doesnt help | 17:55 |
| holstein | the problem is, thats what folks use | 17:55 |
| holstein | if theres a step involved to go to diaspora, they wont | 17:55 |
| ailo | holstein, You can have those as well as diaspora, why wouldn't you? | 17:55 |
| holstein | or havent* | 17:56 |
| holstein | ailo: well, i would | 17:56 |
| holstein | and you would | 17:56 |
| holstein | but, will that other guy? | 17:56 |
| holstein | they guy that doesnt know what we are talking about? | 17:56 |
| holstein | or doesnt care | 17:56 |
| holstein | just wants to make music, and click on things | 17:56 |
| ailo | https://diasp.org/' | 17:56 |
| ailo | sorry wrong link | 17:56 |
| holstein | "this looks insteresting, hmmm whats diaspora?... oh well, back to pro-tools" | 17:56 |
| ailo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(software) | 17:57 |
| holstein | you know what i mean? | 17:57 |
| ailo | holstein, No, I don't know what you mean | 17:57 |
| holstein | ailo: the main problem with *any* facebook alternative is, thats its not facebook | 17:57 |
| ailo | Seriously, holstein | 17:57 |
| holstein | yeah | 17:58 |
| holstein | thats the point | 17:58 |
| holstein | otherwise, why do it? | 17:58 |
| holstein | we dont *need* social interfacing | 17:58 |
| holstein | the only reason i would want it for US is to grab folks from facebook | 17:58 |
| holstein | current facebook users | 17:58 |
| holstein | tap into that already existing comunity | 17:58 |
| holstein | where those folks will *never* come to IRC | 17:58 |
| holstein | or a forum | 17:58 |
| holstein | or a wiki | 17:58 |
| holstein | we have to go to them.. or thats the argument | 17:59 |
| ailo | holstein, Diaspora is still mainly used by people like us. At around 200'000 users right now | 17:59 |
| ailo | And it's growing | 17:59 |
| holstein | right | 18:00 |
| ailo | Take a look, before you keep talking | 18:00 |
| holstein | but... the argument is, thats like preaching to the choir | 18:00 |
| holstein | i mean, i looked at the link | 18:00 |
| holstein | and im into it | 18:00 |
| holstein | but, you dont need me | 18:00 |
| holstein | im already using ubuntustudio | 18:00 |
| holstein | and others who will search 'open alternative to facebook' | 18:00 |
| holstein | those are not the folks we need to target | 18:00 |
| holstein | those are us | 18:00 |
| holstein | we are those users | 18:00 |
| holstein | and we are here | 18:00 |
| holstein | the argument is, we need facebook and the other more popular closed ones to tap that resource of non-technical folks | 18:01 |
| holstein | the 'other' users | 18:01 |
| holstein | ailo: you dig? | 18:01 |
| ailo | holstein, There's no reason why you can't have them all at once. And why not support diaspora, if you're going to support fb, and twitter? | 18:02 |
| ailo | It would seem funny, when open source guys don't want to use open source software | 18:02 |
| ailo | Especially software as good as diaspora | 18:02 |
| holstein | ailo: OH... you want to add that in.. | 18:03 |
| holstein | sure | 18:03 |
| holstein | thats fine | 18:03 |
| holstein | i thought you were suggesting that *instead* | 18:03 |
| holstein | i mean... what about linkedin? | 18:03 |
| holstein | i dont know anything about that... | 18:03 |
| ailo | holstein, If you have doubts about fb and twitter, at least diaspora is available. And it's growing fast | 18:04 |
| holstein | ailo: i dont think its an issue of doubt | 18:05 |
| holstein | i hate them | 18:05 |
| holstein | but i think we need to do it *if* our goal is to reach those people | 18:05 |
| holstein | the question is, who is our target audience? | 18:05 |
| holstein | if its the public at large, we need to do it | 18:06 |
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